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00:05.52``Erik"this sweater is gorgeous! I'll take one in wife size and three in mistress size"
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00:30.53smurfettesee why he deserves the eye stabbings? :P
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01:03.13starseekerbrlcad:  Ah, training time again I see :-)
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01:46.05yukonbobhello cadheads
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03:09.42``Erikyeah, cuz I quote simpsons :D
04:04.23``Erikhuh, that was a fairly intense episode of bsg
04:05.08``Erikwoulda been better if they wouldn't have shown their little "scenes from the next episode" thing, though
04:07.43brlcadyeah
04:07.50brlcadgood one though
04:12.15``Erikyeah, and only 3/10 of season 4.5
04:12.40``Erikwith a 2 hour tv movie planned sometime after
04:13.28``Erikwonders if he'll ever be able to watch the original series again O.o
04:13.46``Erik(of course, a-team kinda messed that up... "look! it's face! er, I mean, starbuck!"
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09:39.06csanyipalHowdy!
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14:26.40brlcadyawns
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15:34.32CIA-32BRL-CAD: 03BRL-CAD Wiki 071234 * r1 10WIKI/www: This is a test
15:34.41brlcadwoo hoo!
15:47.45CIA-32BRL-CAD: 03BRL-CAD Wiki 071234 * r1 10WIKI/www: This is a test
15:48.06alex_joniis seeing double
15:48.19brlcadgood stuff!
15:48.21brlcadis happy
15:48.38alex_joniemail? or xmlrpc?
15:48.56brlcademail for now
15:49.00alex_jonicool stuff
15:50.53alex_joniwhat type of wiki does brlcad use?
15:50.59brlcadmediawiki
15:52.06alex_joniI see.. thanks
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17:05.30brlcadaww
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18:46.29madant1err.. wiki on svn ?
18:52.30CIA-32BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/FAQ: test
18:59.35brlcadnope
18:59.40brlcadcia notification of wiki edits
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19:27.54CIA-32BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test
19:38.27CIA-32BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test
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19:40.36CIA-32BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1164 10/wiki/FAQ: test
19:41.32brlcadwoo hoo, I think that just about does it
19:47.34CIA-32BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1165 10/wiki/FAQ: test
19:52.15CIA-32BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1203 10/wiki/FAQ: still testing cianotify
19:56.56CIA-32BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1204 10/wiki/FAQ: no longer need the my. prefix
19:57.32brlcadoutstanding
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20:34.25IriX64mysite/terra.png <--- last nights effort :)
20:42.41IriX64mc
20:44.47brlcadweren't you working on a patch?
20:45.10IriX64the --version thing?
20:45.16brlcadinfinitely more interesting than pictures
20:45.30IriX64heh back burner at the moment
20:46.36IriX64could say i don't answer to you but .... you'd probably kick me from the channel ;)
20:50.14brlcadmeh, I can't make you do anything, but the pictures are really getting old and annoying because they are useless and uninteresting
20:50.39IriX64is that everybody's feelings
20:51.16brlcadwhy do you think there have been a half-dozen people try to get you to do something productive?
20:51.20IriX64they're comic releif at worst ;)
20:51.29brlcadno
20:51.31brlcadthey are not
20:51.38brlcadat worst they waste people's time
20:51.45IriX64ah
20:51.46brlcadand are a distraction
20:52.07brlcadif there was a joke, they might have some comedic value
20:52.13brlcadbut it's not funny, never was
20:52.14IriX64what are considered work hours here them?
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20:53.10brlcaddo you mean when can you have permission to paste useless and uninteresting screenshots?
20:53.39IriX64yes
20:54.04brlcad*sigh*, then never
20:54.14IriX64ok
20:54.18brlcadif you're not going to change and not going to be productive, you're not helping
20:54.30IriX64noted
20:54.40brlcadyou've said that before
20:54.44brlcadyou don't note it very long
20:55.02brlcadhow about I make it clear and easy then
20:55.12brlcadNO MORE PICTURES (from you)
20:55.24IriX64sure
20:55.40brlcadif you want to contribute in some other way, you're quite welcome
20:55.48brlcadjust no more links to pictures
20:55.58brlcador hints at links
20:56.28brlcador whatever weaseling one could think of, no refs to pics
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22:04.39yukonbobhello, cadheads
22:23.26madantthinks wiki-updates on cia is awesome :)
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22:39.21DavidChipmanHi there..
22:40.09DavidChipmanI'm having trouble building BRL-CAD on Ubuntu 8.10
22:40.25madantwhat trouble ?
22:41.18DavidChipmanThe configure script can't find TCL, or TK, and BRL-cad can't build them either.
22:41.22madantmost common issue is not using --enable-all while configuring :)
22:41.31madantuse --enable-all and try
22:42.12DavidChipmanOK.... running configure right now. It's gonna take a while
22:42.21brlcadBRL-CAD "can't build them either" means what?
22:42.50DavidChipmanIt tries to look for a file called tk.h, aand doesn't find it.
22:43.11DavidChipmanI'll post the errors (somwhere?)
22:43.13brlcadduring what stage of the build?
22:43.16brlcad~bzpaste
22:43.26brlcadhrmph
22:43.38brlcadpastebin.bzflag.bz will work
22:43.44DavidChipmanI'm almost finished configure. I'll let you know.
22:43.55DavidChipmanOK..
22:45.52brlcadall of BRL-CAD's external dependencies are bundled in so configure has three modes of working -- 1) build all of the dependencies ourselves and don't use any system-installed versions, 2) don't build any of them and only use system-installed versions, or 3) automatically detect available system-installed versions and use the ones we find and build the rest
22:46.00DavidChipmanBuilding now. I'm collecting stderr in brlcad.err
22:46.25brlcada unified log would probably be more useful :)
22:46.36DavidChipmanWell, the configure doesn't detect my tcl/TK 8.4 install
22:46.41brlcadsince it'll have what directory it traversed into, what files were compiled, etc
22:46.54brlcadthere's probably a reason for that
22:47.29DavidChipmanOK. (stupid question?): How do I do that?
22:47.32brlcadburied deep in the various configure tests it determined it wasn't usable, probably had a big <<<<< section too ;)
22:47.46DavidChipmanThe unified log you're looking for
22:47.55brlcadmake 2>&1 | tee build.log
22:48.10brlcad(presumes a posix-style shell)
22:48.12madantloves tee
22:48.23DavidChipmanAgh, of course...
22:48.32DavidChipmansmacks head
22:48.42brlcad2>&1 being the trick to unify the outputs by sending err to out
22:48.47DavidChipmanShoud I just stop the build?
22:48.54brlcadsure
22:48.56brlcadit won't hurt it
22:49.03DavidChipmanmake clean?
22:49.06brlcadnah
22:49.16brlcadit'll pick up from where you killed it cleanly
22:50.02DavidChipmanTrue enough, it's runing again, with the build log set up.
22:50.43DavidChipmanIt also didn't find Itcl (but I don't thin that's installed anyhow)
22:51.02brlcadthat would probably be why it couldn't use your tcl/tk
22:51.04DavidChipmanJust out of interest, what is TCL/TK used for?
22:51.44DavidChipmanHuh? They aren't either/or then?
22:51.54brlcadif you didn't have itcl, it would have had to use the one we provide -- the one we provide is the latest and requires 8.5 tcl/tk
22:52.26DavidChipmanAgh <spews profanity>.
22:52.39brlcadso you either had to install an itcl that works with 8.4, or let ours build (which is what it's doing now)
22:53.00DavidChipmanThanks..
22:53.09DavidChipmanI think.. ;)
22:53.16brlcadwhich should have happened by default either way
22:53.23brlcadif you ran into a build failure, that's something else
22:53.55DavidChipmanHuh? I'm now goign to try and get itcl installed
22:54.14brlcadthat incompatibility was mentioned via a big <<<<< section in the configure output
22:54.45brlcadyou shouldn't need to, at least it shouldn't matter
22:54.51DavidChipmanOK, I'm installing OTCl now..
22:54.57brlcadbrl-cad will compile and install isolated into /usr/brlcad anyways
22:54.59DavidChipman(ITCL, I mean)
22:55.23brlcadhas to also include the itcl headers
22:56.28DavidChipmanWell, I;'m now the proud owner of an ictl 3 installation ;) including itcl3-dev. I thought of that. Don't worry. Not that "thiick"
22:57.43DavidChipmanIt's building opennurbs right now..
22:57.58brlcadbtw, the only one we can generally guarantee is the enable-all option since we can fully control it -- mixtures of system and non-system components are rather finicky
22:58.04brlcadwow, that's a slow box
22:58.42DavidChipmanPentium D, 2.26 GHz...
22:59.10brlcadafter it finishes opennurbs, it'll be about 25% done
22:59.29DavidChipmanThankks for the progess report
22:59.38madantmaybe make -j4
23:00.02brlcadyeah, utilize all your cpu's if it's an smp
23:00.15DavidChipmanStart make *over again*?
23:00.26DavidChipmanbursts into tears
23:00.31DavidChipmanLOL
23:00.43madantdon't worry it will pickup from where you left it :D
23:00.59DavidChipmanI know, but.. agh....
23:01.10IriX64there's usually a trail of bread crumbs :)
23:02.47DavidChipmanI'm not sure I understand, IriX64
23:03.20DavidChipmanBuilding with -j4 option
23:03.58IriX64has a dual core, both are utilized
23:04.02DavidChipmanGoing faster now....
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23:14.49brlcadif you want it to use your system libs, you would have to start over with a make clean, otherwise it's going the --enable-all route
23:15.45brlcadwhich frankly, I think you should just use --enable-all and let it build everything .. if that works, make it through the tutorials with your sanity intact, then can reinstall more leanly
23:17.58yukonbobbrlcad: does the --enable-all install -everything- under PREFIX, or similar?
23:18.05brlcadyep
23:18.23yukonbobie: all binaries and required libs.
23:18.58yukonbobgets off his high horse and prepares a --enable-all installation...
23:29.00``Erikwait, I thought the manuals were there to induce the minimal amount of insanity required to use the software? O.o
23:29.41``Erikwiki update notifications... neat, but ugly colors, and what happens when the spam bots find it? :D
23:31.02brlcadthere have been no spams to the boards since they went live with the captcha checks and blacklists
23:33.05``Erikcool, but I'm imagining the spammers are constantly looking for ways to subvert the defensive mechanisms
23:33.37brlcaddidn't you read the thing about not succumbing to speculative fears
23:33.58brlcadeven if someone does, now we'll get instant notification when it happens and can do something about it
23:34.02``Erikis an anti-color nazi on irc, almost ever color has a special meaning in his precious bx, so he gets confused
23:34.15brlcadI have no color here, so dunno what you're talking about
23:34.20brlcadturn your color off
23:34.21``Erikyeah, *shrug* ain't no such thing as unhackable, it's risk management, etc etc etc
23:34.48``Erikheh, that'd involve looking at shitty docs or shitty code, and I'm illiterate and lazy :D
23:35.16``Erik(though that is a good idea *ponder*)
23:35.45``Erikhow does a new feature on the old machine impact the migration?
23:36.05brlcaddoesn't thusfar other than having been an 8-hour distraction to implement it
23:36.34``Erikso the mediawiki plugins aren't going to be carried via backups?
23:36.37brlcadpretty snazzy, though .. I'll have to upload that to the official extensions list for others
23:36.39``Erikrsync or something?
23:37.02brlcadthey will, the backups are just backups though
23:37.30brlcadbackups just take a few min to run to rsync the recent changes
23:37.40brlcadthe /usr/web copy hasn't happened yet
23:38.38DavidChipmanLooks like it built this time!
23:43.14``Erikw00t
23:44.41yukonbobconcurs
23:46.31brlcadindeed
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23:54.52``Erikponders finishing the porting of a project so he can eliminate the gnome1 stack from his server

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