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| 01:32.40 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33541 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: few ideas that have been on mind for a while. vrml importer, brl-cad taxonomy document, and incremental raytrace-based display manager interface. |
| 01:51.45 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33542 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/html/manuals/mged/mged2.html: Fix problem with eto specification as reported in bug #2120094 |
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| 03:27.28 | starseeker | grumbles... cating mpg files together results in something that doesn't work on rockbox, and rockbox doesn't (yet) support movie playlists out of box |
| 03:28.12 | starseeker | decides to go for broke and build latest svn with patch, and crosses fingers he doesn't brick anything... |
| 03:37.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cating most types of mpeg files produces something that does not work on most things. |
| 03:37.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | main exception is if it is a streamrip |
| 03:37.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | even then, you must rebuild the index |
| 03:38.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | mencoder of the mplayer package may be your friend on this |
| 03:38.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | otherwise, try kino |
| 03:39.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://www.kinodv.org/ |
| 03:39.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (returns to topic) |
| 03:39.35 | Ralith | starseeker: you could just concat them with mencoder |
| 03:39.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | correct |
| 03:41.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | should look something like |
| 03:42.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | #mencoder file1.mpg file2.mpg -o outfile.mpg -oac copy -ovc copy |
| 03:43.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | anyone ever research STEP, or read the STEP application handbook? |
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| 04:14.29 | brlcad | starseeker: while it might work for some combinations of mpg's, I can't imagine that cat'ing together two random mpg files would work on most players |
| 04:14.43 | brlcad | invalid timestamps and sync blocks |
| 04:14.53 | brlcad | different encoding settings |
| 04:15.26 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: we've done a lot more than research it |
| 04:15.47 | brlcad | developing a step importer is one of our top priorities |
| 04:16.37 | brlcad | have not read the step application handbook, though, I must admit |
| 04:17.07 | brlcad | downloads |
| 04:21.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 04:22.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | the one i am refering to was found at |
| 04:22.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://www.tc184-sc4.org/SC4_Open/SC4_Standards_Developers_Info/Files/STEP_application_handbook_63006.pdf |
| 04:22.16 | brlcad | we have most of the rest of the spec, though, ap's 203, 214, 22, 23, 24, and 11 |
| 04:22.25 | brlcad | nods, already have it |
| 04:22.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | figured that was it |
| 04:22.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i just got it myself |
| 04:23.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | looks like a nice little read |
| 04:23.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | you mentioned an importer... |
| 04:23.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what about export? |
| 04:23.38 | brlcad | eventually, ideally yes |
| 04:23.52 | brlcad | first priority is on an importer though |
| 04:24.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i do not know, but i should think that one would facilitate the other, to an extent |
| 04:24.17 | brlcad | it's actually a funded priority, importer should be completed sometime this year |
| 04:24.29 | brlcad | to a limited extent |
| 04:24.35 | brlcad | it's a lot easier to make an exporter |
| 04:25.06 | brlcad | more grunt code in an exporter and basic architecting to let the user specify what format they want exported |
| 04:26.34 | brlcad | example, say you have a model of just an implicit sphere and a box that overlap with a CSG operation to subtract one from the other |
| 04:27.02 | brlcad | using 203 and 214, we 'could' (and ideally by default will) export exactly that, preserving our data exactly |
| 04:27.22 | brlcad | yet that's not something most CAD systems will grok |
| 04:29.16 | brlcad | other options might be to output spline-surface brep with csg operations, evaluated spline-surface brep, evaluated polygonal brep, volumetric, among others |
| 04:29.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i see |
| 04:30.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, brlcad is my cad of choice, except maybe qcad for simple 2d, until i get better with brlcad |
| 04:31.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | primarily interested in not losing any data to go to a postprocessor |
| 04:32.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | should not need much to load that into a CAM system and send to machine as STEP-NC |
| 04:32.07 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: so you're interesting in working on the step exporter? :) |
| 04:32.30 | brlcad | thinks you should 'go for it' ;) |
| 04:34.28 | Ralith | STEP-NC? |
| 04:34.32 | brlcad | be glad to help out any way I can if you do get started on it |
| 04:34.55 | brlcad | looking to use the NIST toolkit at least for importing -- not sure how helpful it would be for export |
| 04:37.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, i may not be quite up for it |
| 04:37.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still learning brlcad myself |
| 04:38.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not saying no, i just do not want to commit to something unrealistic |
| 04:39.08 | brlcad | understandable |
| 04:39.19 | brlcad | can you code? |
| 04:40.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | learning python |
| 04:40.55 | brlcad | the "learning brl-cad" part is a never-ending process (i've been 'learning' it for 10 years and don't know it all) |
| 04:41.22 | brlcad | just depends where you draw the line and what to chew off when |
| 04:41.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | at over 5 million lines, i should think not |
| 04:41.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | true |
| 04:41.38 | brlcad | it's actually only about 1 million lines |
| 04:41.56 | brlcad | just barely over 1 |
| 04:46.51 | brlcad | (don't count the sources in src/other/ and regress/ -- they're 3rd party bundled dependencies and long regression scripts) |
| 04:47.12 | brlcad | can run sh/enumeration.sh to get more details if you have a source checkout |
| 04:47.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i ran it, and it failed |
| 04:47.41 | brlcad | oh? |
| 04:47.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i used find, grep, and wc |
| 04:48.50 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/grYR4Y43.html <--- this at install time, i was hoping it was fixed since last i reported it |
| 04:49.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cat `find -type f|grep -v .svn`|wc -l |
| 04:49.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's what i used |
| 04:50.33 | brlcad | IriX64: we talked about that just *yesterday* |
| 04:51.16 | brlcad | so stop pasting it unless you figure something new out |
| 04:51.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | on svn 33542 |
| 04:51.39 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: which is why you're about 4 million lines off ;) |
| 04:51.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i would suppose so |
| 04:52.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 5644578 |
| 04:52.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is the dumb counting method |
| 04:52.13 | brlcad | can you paste the output of enumeration.sh ? |
| 04:52.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... |
| 04:53.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... |
| 04:53.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 2374 BRL-CAD Files |
| 04:53.26 | brlcad | well that much looks okay |
| 04:53.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | expr: syntax error |
| 04:53.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | expr: syntax error |
| 04:53.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | expr: syntax error |
| 04:53.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ----------------------------------------- |
| 04:53.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | -- LINE COUNT TOTALS -- |
| 04:54.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ----------------------------------------- |
| 04:54.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.21 | brlcad | so cascade counting failure |
| 04:54.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 1564461 3rd Party Code (not counted above) |
| 04:54.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (edited for some redundancy) |
| 04:54.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | note, I am using amd64 arch |
| 04:54.58 | brlcad | btw, pastebin would probably be better for most things over just a handful of lines (for future ref) ;) |
| 04:55.04 | brlcad | that wouldn't matter |
| 04:55.12 | brlcad | it's just a shell script |
| 04:55.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, dc often fails |
| 04:55.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | have not investigated why |
| 04:55.58 | brlcad | dc is because the expr's fail |
| 04:56.40 | brlcad | expr's fail because a previous count failed |
| 04:57.40 | brlcad | aha, that's right around where it starts using awk |
| 04:57.44 | brlcad | do you have awk? |
| 04:58.15 | brlcad | and is this a linux amd64 or some other OS? |
| 04:58.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, gentoo |
| 04:59.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oh, yes |
| 04:59.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | can't get by w/out it |
| 04:59.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | GNU Awk 3.1.6 |
| 05:02.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <brlcad> thanks for tip on pastebin; i've never used it |
| 05:02.52 | brlcad | sure |
| 05:03.02 | brlcad | there are a bunch of them |
| 05:03.46 | brlcad | e.g., one at http://paste.bzflag.bz/ and .. |
| 05:03.50 | brlcad | ~pastebin |
| 05:03.50 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 05:03.56 | brlcad | few others |
| 05:04.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thanks |
| 05:04.18 | brlcad | the .com is probably the worst |
| 05:04.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | in terms of over use? |
| 05:05.16 | brlcad | overuse (lag, spam), often unreachable on various networks due to blocks/abuse |
| 05:07.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 05:07.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | will use in future |
| 05:11.13 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33543 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/enumerate.sh: try a few minor portability tweaks for the 'sum' function |
| 05:11.25 | brlcad | give that a try |
| 05:14.05 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33544 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Robert Penny reported and fixed a minor documentation bug in the mged tutorial where the 'in' command had wrong values listed (two transposed params) |
| 05:17.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://pastebin.ca/1307831 |
| 05:18.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | expires 1 hr |
| 05:23.03 | brlcad | no matter, a "no change" would have worked too in that particular instance ;) |
| 05:23.25 | brlcad | guessing it's the sum function, just not sure where/why yet |
| 05:23.37 | brlcad | adding in some debug |
| 05:28.45 | Dr_Phreakenstein | will investigate |
| 05:37.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <brlcad>please see http://pastebin.ca/1307843 |
| 05:37.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | turns out you have to run it from that dir |
| 05:38.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | please compare counts to yours to make sure they are good |
| 05:40.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i was running as sh/enumerate.sh from brlcad directory |
| 05:41.37 | brlcad | that's how I usually run it actually |
| 05:41.42 | brlcad | but that does help |
| 05:41.43 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33545 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/enumerate.sh: add some basic debugging to help isolate a problem with the tabulations on linux from Dr_Phreakenstein, can run via: DEBUG=1 sh/enumerate.sh |
| 05:47.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, this does not make sense... |
| 05:47.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i ran it from brlcad root... |
| 05:48.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | with debug, it got same count and no errors (well, + 8 lines, but that is expected from change. other count was off many thousands) |
| 05:49.53 | brlcad | what are your debug lines? |
| 05:52.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://pastebin.ca/1307850 |
| 05:55.29 | brlcad | huh, that is very odd |
| 05:55.43 | brlcad | i mean, it looks like what I'd expect |
| 05:56.20 | brlcad | everything looks fine other than it being a clean checkout count so generated files aren't counted |
| 06:00.00 | brlcad | what's odd is that it suddenly works now.. (does it work without DEBUG=1?) |
| 06:00.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | checking |
| 06:02.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sure 'nuff, looks good |
| 06:02.17 | brlcad | huh! |
| 06:06.11 | brlcad | then out of ideas beyond a shell bug or some wierd typo somewhere (which I don't see) |
| 06:07.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | neither do i |
| 06:07.39 | brlcad | and I must fold it up for tonight though, too .. early meeting later today |
| 06:07.45 | brlcad | at least it runs now |
| 06:08.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I am no sh wizard, but i vote to leave debug in there, since magic seems to work, now |
| 06:08.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | have fun at meeting |
| 06:11.05 | brlcad | yeah, will need some more work |
| 06:11.16 | brlcad | maybe more pervasive debug statements |
| 06:11.21 | brlcad | anyways, cheers! |
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| 11:32.29 | mafm | hi |
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| 12:51.28 | brlcad | howdy howdy |
| 12:52.12 | brlcad | mafm: tv is doing just fine, great actually |
| 12:53.46 | archivist | becoming a couch potato |
| 12:54.57 | mafm | but probably is telling you lies anyway :D |
| 12:58.02 | brlcad | the lies are on par with the ones I hear in real life |
| 12:58.37 | brlcad | mostly background noise while I code unless I'm watching a movie (which is what I do most of the time with it) |
| 13:00.44 | brlcad | wow, nice .. http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt |
| 13:08.34 | alex_joni | that should boost things |
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| 13:22.17 | mafm | in the last years I forgot about tv, I lived in houses without it and not missing it much, it's strange |
| 13:23.35 | mafm | hmm, LGPL as in linking non-open programs? |
| 13:24.41 | mafm | so it's now mostly like GTK |
| 13:30.44 | starseeker | 's jaw drops |
| 13:30.53 | starseeker | Uh.... |
| 13:31.11 | starseeker | Didn't that just blow Trolltech's business model away? |
| 13:31.20 | starseeker | or Nokia's now I guess? |
| 13:32.53 | starseeker | gleefully contemplates an unholy mating of QT and Ogre3d |
| 13:33.57 | starseeker | glares at rockbox's player - for some reason mpg's combined with mencoder don't give back audio |
| 13:34.13 | starseeker | Dr_Phreakenstein: thanks, that should have worked |
| 13:34.51 | starseeker | almost bricked ipod trying to build and install custom version - apparently it's VERY sensitive to which compiler version... |
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| 13:35.28 | starseeker | alright, nevermind |
| 13:35.38 | starseeker | prepares to launch back into the fray |
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| 16:24.52 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33546 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/picket_fence.c: Initialization not needed on these character arrays (i.e. they're inititialized below before being used). Besides, windows doesn't like it. |
| 16:28.18 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33547 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/picket_fence.c: msvc probably didn't like that they were empty initializers. give them a value and it should be happy. |
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| 16:43.20 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33548 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (inside.c typein.c): Add code to prevent interrupts during database writes. |
| 17:03.19 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33549 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (Makefile.am arbs.c cmd.c cmd.h inside.c setup.c typein.c): Mods to use libged's ged_in and ged_inside functions. |
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| 17:21.54 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33550 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: mged on mac crashes if you link against the system tcl/tk libs |
| 17:24.33 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33551 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: the fast4-g line skipping bug was fixed a while back |
| 17:27.13 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33552 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 17:27.15 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: pipe primitive no longer calls dynamic allocation during run-time thanks to |
| 17:27.17 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: john. remove the lingering default doesn't work (because it seems to work just |
| 17:27.19 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: fine and that code has changed a fair bit). also, rtwizard seems to be working |
| 17:27.21 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: just fine now too. |
| 17:30.18 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33553 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Updates to get things compiling on Windows. |
| 17:35.57 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33554 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS src/tclscripts/mged/text.tcl): |
| 17:35.59 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: mged should read just fine from stdin now with the handful of trickeries going |
| 17:36.01 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: on. this also fixes one remaining bug when reading in from stdin via gets -- |
| 17:36.03 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: was getting an error of: can't rename to "execute_cmd_save": command already |
| 17:36.05 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: exists |
| 17:39.26 | brlcad | howdy madant ! |
| 17:40.23 | madant | hi sean :) |
| 17:40.32 | madant | happy new year |
| 17:40.36 | brlcad | likewise |
| 17:40.40 | brlcad | how's the break? |
| 17:40.55 | madant | awesome till now.. |
| 17:41.07 | brlcad | classes starting back up? |
| 17:41.18 | madant | not yet |
| 17:41.39 | madant | went for some climbing towards the end of the year |
| 17:42.09 | madant | sports climbing mostly .. was fun.. i think i have wasted enough time loitering around enjoying though :D |
| 17:42.14 | brlcad | so then what's the "till now"? |
| 17:42.24 | brlcad | nods |
| 17:42.50 | madant | i might be going to an Institute for a couple of months to get exposure into some sustainable technologies |
| 17:43.25 | madant | and I have an Interview from a B-school coming up towards the end of March.. |
| 17:43.54 | madant | Imagine 200 people getting selected out of 2,80,000 :D |
| 17:44.41 | madant | and in the middle of all this I haven't been able to do a single productive thing since september :D |
| 17:44.50 | madant | how is the winter in US ? |
| 17:45.27 | brlcad | brick |
| 17:45.31 | brlcad | er, brisk :) |
| 17:46.40 | brlcad | productive, but so much going on that it's tricky to stay focused on any one task for very long |
| 17:47.02 | madant | :D I live pretty close to the equator .. so almost no winter here.. |
| 17:47.31 | brlcad | nods |
| 17:47.32 | madant | in the end to create anything of value one has to stay focused on one task for long |
| 17:48.09 | madant | geometry service coming up good ? |
| 17:48.15 | brlcad | used to have that back in the day, but seasons are nice for mixing things up every now and then (e.g., easier to code in the winter when there's really not much more you could do outside) |
| 17:48.25 | brlcad | yeah, steady pace there |
| 17:48.46 | brlcad | libged's getting tied back into mged now, which should flesh out any remaining issues |
| 17:49.18 | brlcad | the service daemon is just about ready to go on-line for simple read/write testing probably in a week or so |
| 17:49.30 | madant | what about mafm's ide work |
| 17:50.21 | brlcad | not much has changed there |
| 17:50.30 | brlcad | it's about where he left it |
| 17:50.54 | brlcad | that's one of a hundred projects I'd love to be working on |
| 17:51.14 | madant | hmm.. I am really hopeful of spending at least 15 hours per week on libpc |
| 17:51.24 | mafm | ide? |
| 17:51.35 | brlcad | the new gui |
| 17:51.36 | madant | oops i meant gui :D |
| 17:52.11 | brlcad | you going to apply to gsoc again if we participate again? |
| 17:52.32 | mafm | me? |
| 17:52.36 | madant | don't know about my student status |
| 17:52.52 | mafm | I don't think that I'll be eligible anymore |
| 17:52.55 | brlcad | an informal announcement just went out a couple days ago saying it's on again for this year |
| 17:53.02 | brlcad | mafm: oh? |
| 17:53.12 | brlcad | that partly sucks :) |
| 17:53.21 | madant | yeah i saw the group post.. lh trying to publicise :D |
| 17:53.24 | brlcad | i mean great that you're done and all, if that's why :) |
| 17:53.55 | brlcad | course, you could always continue as a mentor too ;) |
| 17:54.06 | madant | I would love to take part again.. but i think i would love to work on it before .. morally feels odd if i only work during SoC :P |
| 17:54.11 | mafm | I'm finishing the project and I have to defend it, but I don't know if that will count |
| 17:54.39 | madant | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institutes_of_Management is the B-school i was talking about :) |
| 17:54.41 | brlcad | mafm: will you still be a full-time student by the time the program begins? |
| 17:54.47 | mafm | if not I could be mentor I guess, but I don't have much experience as mentor |
| 17:55.17 | mafm | begins by the end of may? I don't think so, but not sure |
| 17:55.24 | madant | would we be getting more slots this year ? i mean more students compared to last ? |
| 17:55.59 | brlcad | madant: so why wouldn't yout have student status? those are business schools |
| 17:56.24 | madant | yeah i will have student status if I clear the interview :) |
| 17:56.53 | madant | basically .28 million people wrote in.. they have shortlisted 800 :D |
| 17:57.11 | brlcad | and no, wouldn't likely accept more slots -- that pretty much put us at effective mentoring capacity |
| 17:57.12 | madant | now i have to clear the interview to be in the 170 or so :D |
| 17:57.58 | madant | can imagine.. without good mentoring especially in such a huge code base things can go pretty crazy |
| 17:57.59 | brlcad | totally depends on the students, but if you guys had been more 'green', it could have been pretty bad with four, or could have easily taken 8 .. but 4 people working full time is a lot of progress to review and integrate regardless |
| 17:58.33 | brlcad | probably will reduce the slot count for bzflag |
| 17:58.35 | mafm | more green? |
| 17:58.48 | mafm | immature? |
| 17:58.56 | madant | i think he means active :D |
| 17:59.11 | brlcad | with the weaker students there last year, six slots was too many (and we had 2X the number of mentors as here) |
| 17:59.18 | brlcad | green == inexperienced |
| 17:59.52 | madant | i think mentoring must be tougher than coding . |
| 18:00.17 | madant | I have always found checking someone else's code difficult compared to writing |
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| 18:03.02 | madant | let me see how much progress I can make in the next couple of months, otherwise it would be pointless to eat up a gsoc slot @ brl-cad which some other student could use for doing some good work. |
| 18:03.04 | brlcad | depends on the code and who wrote it ;) |
| 18:03.16 | madant | @brlcad true |
| 18:03.43 | madant | u must have read the beautiful code book we got last year as students ? |
| 18:04.05 | brlcad | some of it was quite nice actually |
| 18:04.40 | brlcad | you guys (all 4) were pretty above par in terms of readability and communication |
| 18:05.03 | madant | I totally loved the section on geometry where the author discusses various ways of checking for collinearity |
| 18:05.08 | madant | of three points |
| 18:05.11 | brlcad | I think that libpc is coming together quite nicely actually |
| 18:05.34 | brlcad | section on geometry? |
| 18:05.37 | brlcad | some book? |
| 18:06.16 | madant | not a section.. a chapter. |
| 18:07.19 | madant | 1 sec i will give the link |
| 18:07.47 | brlcad | an entire chapter that says two slopes are equal? |
| 18:08.16 | brlcad | or adding two distances will give the third? |
| 18:08.22 | mafm | haven't found time to read the Beautiful Code book yet |
| 18:08.23 | madant | :D not really he considers the comparing slopes and addition idea |
| 18:08.24 | mafm | :( |
| 18:08.43 | madant | but then in the case of slopes there is the issue of infinite slope for a vertical line |
| 18:08.59 | mafm | so what's the plan for gsoc this year? |
| 18:09.13 | madant | and for the distances there is the case of square roots being involved and floating point considerations |
| 18:09.50 | mafm | another 4 students? I might consider applying if I had the possibility, but it's not an strict requirement for my collaboration with brl-cad |
| 18:09.53 | brlcad | madant: sure, but those don't mean the approach itself is flawed, they're just boundary cases that have to be dealt with on the implementation |
| 18:10.15 | brlcad | mafm: up to 4 (if we get accepted) |
| 18:10.17 | madant | exactly.. the author was just putting forward his concept of beautiful code |
| 18:10.22 | mafm | I don't know if I'd be prepared for being a mentor, but when I'm done with the project (3 months or so) I should have more time available and less traveling to do |
| 18:10.23 | madant | in the end the most elegant solution :) was finding the area of the triangle formed by the three points which is a simple determinant |
| 18:10.28 | brlcad | highly expect org selections will be reduced this year |
| 18:10.45 | brlcad | mafm: you could specifically mentor someone working on the gui ;) |
| 18:10.52 | brlcad | picking up where you left off |
| 18:10.57 | madant | brlcad: why ? last year google had trouble coordinating ? |
| 18:10.59 | mafm | for continuing with the gui and so on (I don't know if you're finished with the refactoring, haven't seen anything on -devel ML about that) |
| 18:11.23 | mafm | well, but the applicant might be more experience than me, that's embarrasing :D |
| 18:11.25 | brlcad | madant: nope, reduced economy is making spending hard for most companies |
| 18:11.29 | mafm | experienced* |
| 18:11.43 | brlcad | the fact that they're even going to hold a gsoc is a pretty big deal |
| 18:12.21 | brlcad | mafm: I haven't even gotten started on the refactoring aspect .. and the announcement today has opened up another possibility that was a non-starter previously |
| 18:12.23 | madant | brlcad: maybe that's why the heads up. I mean i was kind of surprised why LH felt like spreading the news |
| 18:13.19 | brlcad | for some perspective, even the Microsoft gorilla is expected to lay off about 17k people worldwide in order to safe money |
| 18:13.22 | brlcad | er, save |
| 18:13.23 | mafm | you mean the announcement of gsoc? but that's what a few days ago, wasn't it? |
| 18:13.34 | madant | It didn't even strike me that they might consider not conducting it :D |
| 18:13.50 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:14.07 | mafm | so another student would do the refactoring... of what? GUI or other internal parts? |
| 18:14.29 | brlcad | some companies are in pretty big trouble .. fortunately google has been doing pretty well (the stock market reinforces that position too) |
| 18:14.43 | brlcad | mafm: whatever they propose |
| 18:15.04 | brlcad | picking up where you left off and making more progress is all that matters.. work is work |
| 18:15.09 | brlcad | regardless of it being on the front-end or back-end |
| 18:15.17 | mafm | I see |
| 18:15.55 | mafm | well, as I said I might continue my work somewhat soon |
| 18:16.31 | brlcad | I'd still like to see the prototype get closer to visually resembling some of the back look n' feel of the IOE, there's plenty of engine work to be done, build system integration/cleanup, command integration, ... |
| 18:19.20 | madant | brlcad: this is the page and the book http://books.google.com/books?id=gJrmszNHQV4C&pg=RA7-PA519&lpg=RA7-PA519 |
| 18:19.38 | mafm | yep, it's a lot of work really |
| 18:21.35 | madant | and the article was by Brian Hayes - Writing Programs for "The Book" |
| 18:22.37 | madant | mafm: do read Beautiful code , some parts are good :) and Best of luck for defending your thesis |
| 18:23.44 | brlcad | so he recommends the area approach, simple enough |
| 18:24.01 | brlcad | ah, so this is the book google sent you guys? |
| 18:24.06 | madant | yep |
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| 18:24.56 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33556 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Minor mod. |
| 18:24.58 | mafm | yes, I might... but I have to do much more reading :| |
| 18:25.17 | mafm | and the book is quite a brick |
| 18:25.25 | mafm | last year's was more manageable |
| 18:25.54 | madant | :D i think this one was more enjoyable.. |
| 18:27.43 | mafm | I have about 40 books to read, half of them somewhat urgently :| |
| 18:28.46 | mafm | hmm, nope, more like 10 actually -- and fortunately |
| 18:29.02 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33557 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: make extrude no longer crashes, bot values display with local units |
| 18:29.56 | madant | my very incomplete Reading List http://dawtho.googlepages.com/ReadingList |
| 18:34.27 | madant | brlcad: regarding libpc, I will go back to the list of TODOs I had at the end of gsoc and start finishing them one by one. |
| 18:35.37 | brlcad | madant: sounds like a plan ;) |
| 18:35.39 | mafm | madant: R, the language? |
| 18:36.05 | madant | there is a boundary problem which sort of ate my head for quite sometime. I have temporarily sorted it out by storing the value of the variable before iteration |
| 18:36.41 | madant | basically, if the variable value is on the boundary the iteration somehow does not go through the entire sample space. |
| 18:36.56 | madant | mafm: yeah |
| 18:37.16 | madant | mafm: The R book is not that impressive though.. very sloppily written i think |
| 18:37.41 | mafm | I have to deal with it in my project |
| 18:38.08 | madant | kewl, you are working in statistics ? |
| 18:38.48 | mafm | nope |
| 18:38.57 | mafm | well, somewhat |
| 18:39.14 | mafm | not-supervised learning |
| 18:40.29 | madant | so u use R for analysing the results ? |
| 18:40.59 | mafm | I have to translate from R and Fortran to Java |
| 18:41.03 | madant | mafm: is machine learning fun? |
| 18:41.19 | madant | :O why Java ? |
| 18:41.23 | madant | is javaphobic |
| 18:41.24 | mafm | to classify automatically objects in different clusters |
| 18:41.31 | mafm | requirements of the ESA |
| 18:42.48 | mafm | R is a bit chaotic for big projects I think (I'm not fan of weakly-typed languages in general), but anyway it was not my decision |
| 18:43.08 | mafm | but it's very handy for some tasks |
| 18:43.25 | madant | R is pretty neat. I mean you can pretty much do anything with it if numbers are involved |
| 18:43.38 | BigAToo | Do any of you know where I can get a ver 7.12.2 that is compiled for x86 32bit to try? |
| 18:44.42 | madant | mafm: I am interested in Morphometric applications |
| 18:45.16 | madant | I would have loved to try some economic ( econometric ) modeling but my economic skills suck i think |
| 18:46.13 | mafm | BigAToo: nope, sorry |
| 18:46.52 | mafm | R has automatic plotting and so on, is kind of a command-line spreadsheet :D |
| 18:47.31 | ``Erik | kinda like gnuplot? O.o |
| 18:47.45 | mafm | never used it |
| 18:48.13 | mafm | but you can create matrices and vectors of many types and ways and operate with functions over the data |
| 18:48.20 | BigAToo | I have loved 7.10.4 that I have been using but would like to see the new stuff. Thanks |
| 18:56.00 | mafm | BigAToo: for some reason there's only amd64, for linuz |
| 18:58.11 | BigAToo | Yep, I am going to try it on my XP VM and then try and compile it. |
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| 19:19.20 | brlcad | BigAToo: an updated 32-bit binary should be uploaded soon |
| 19:20.08 | brlcad | from 7.10 to 7.12 is mostly minor updates -- you can see the list of changes since 7.10.4 in the NEWS file: http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/NEWS |
| 19:20.23 | brlcad | ~factinfo cadnews |
| 19:20.23 | ibot | brlcad: there's no such factoid as cadnews |
| 19:20.33 | brlcad | ~cadnews is http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/NEWS |
| 19:20.34 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 19:20.48 | brlcad | ~cadtodo is http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/TODO |
| 19:20.49 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 19:20.53 | brlcad | ~cadbugs is http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/BUGS |
| 19:20.54 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
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