| 00:20.40 | starseeker | returns from national archives |
| 00:21.07 | starseeker | no Mark VIII yet, but more info |
| 00:21.24 | Ralith | Mark VIII? |
| 00:22.19 | starseeker | WWI tank |
| 00:22.24 | Ralith | ooo, neat |
| 00:22.29 | Ralith | that's what you've been trying to model? |
| 00:22.30 | starseeker | a.k.a the "Liberty" or "International" |
| 00:22.39 | starseeker | not yet - trying to find source info on |
| 00:22.53 | Ralith | with the ultimate goal of modeling? |
| 00:23.25 | starseeker | yep |
| 00:23.31 | Ralith | neat |
| 00:23.32 | Ralith | what for? |
| 00:24.14 | starseeker | primarily as an exercise and a way to stress the tools, while at the same time being able to use it to produce documentation that can be (eventually) public release |
| 00:24.41 | Ralith | eventually? is there a particular reason for it to take a while? O.o |
| 00:24.53 | starseeker | ever try writing documentation? |
| 00:25.11 | starseeker | and then getting it by brlcad's editorial review plus public release procedures? :-P |
| 00:25.11 | Ralith | I mean |
| 00:25.15 | Ralith | ahh. |
| 00:25.19 | Ralith | *formal* documentation. |
| 00:25.38 | Ralith | is used to thinking of documentation as a casual thing. |
| 00:25.56 | starseeker | gets warm fuzzies thinking about a nice 500 page book on modeling with BRL-CAD, lots of nice pictures and detailed technique discussion |
| 00:26.34 | starseeker | and just for fun an appendix with blueprint-style views of every part and vehicle assembly diagrams |
| 00:26.39 | archivist | 500 page! shouldnt be that hard to use :) |
| 00:26.58 | starseeker | Any CAD system will need that and more, if it's non-trivial |
| 00:27.31 | Ralith | sure. |
| 00:27.33 | starseeker | admits BRL-CAD's doc/work ratio is set a tad above average |
| 00:27.40 | Ralith | but casual documentation is still useful. |
| 00:27.45 | starseeker | but that's what the new modeler is for :-) |
| 00:27.49 | starseeker | Ralith: sure |
| 00:28.37 | Ralith | makes sense that brl-cad does have a particularly great need for the formal, though. |
| 00:28.42 | Ralith | especially given its use cases. |
| 00:30.12 | starseeker | There's good reason for a variety of levels of documentation - I tend to prefer to go detailed, on the theory that it's better to have something documented and not need it than to have it not documented and need it. That requires great disicipline when it comes to organization and clarity though, or it's just another big pile of paper |
| 00:30.47 | starseeker | gawks at scrollback length |
| 00:31.24 | Ralith | I interpreted 'public release' as meaning 'availability to the public at some point after its completion' |
| 00:31.54 | starseeker | right |
| 00:32.13 | Ralith | rather than 'publishing it when it's done' |
| 00:32.37 | Ralith | though I do think there's no harm in making incomplete versions available. |
| 00:32.56 | Ralith | identified as such, of course. |
| 00:32.59 | starseeker | Ralith: depends on how it's done |
| 00:33.04 | Ralith | ? |
| 00:33.30 | starseeker | usually when I'm doing something for the Army as a contractor in the documentation department, it gets done before it goes out |
| 00:34.07 | Ralith | but is that a requirement, or simply the way things tend to happen? |
| 00:34.26 | Ralith | brl-cad's open source nature suggests treating docs in a similar way to code |
| 00:34.54 | starseeker | Well, docs kind of have a dual nature - if you look at the .bib file, you'll see some Technical Reports listed |
| 00:36.30 | starseeker | Things with ARL-TR-**** numbers |
| 00:36.42 | starseeker | OK, one right now - I need to add more |
| 00:36.58 | starseeker | anyway, those are official army publications and as such have to go through a review process |
| 00:37.56 | starseeker | But many of them also contain useful documentation on aspects of BRL-CAD |
| 00:38.18 | starseeker | Of course, docs done strictly on the open source side do not have such constraints |
| 00:39.31 | Ralith | anyway, good luck! |
| 00:39.41 | Ralith | docs are never a bad idea, however long the process. |
| 00:39.46 | starseeker | Ralith: The other problem, particularly with my style of documentation, is that I can write a lot of stuff and then have it go out of date |
| 00:39.57 | starseeker | thanks :-) |
| 00:40.18 | Ralith | this doesn't strike me as a project which tends to change too drastically over time, though |
| 00:40.30 | starseeker | not yet :-) |
| 00:40.30 | Ralith | at least, not in unexpected ways |
| 00:40.50 | Ralith | hm? development ramping up? |
| 00:40.53 | starseeker | If we do move to an OGRE based GUI, that'll change a LOT of things |
| 00:40.58 | Ralith | ah yeah, that |
| 00:41.04 | starseeker | is thinking of VolII and VolIII |
| 00:41.18 | Ralith | but that will not necessarily obselete mged! |
| 00:42.14 | starseeker | MGED will likely become more of a "minimalist" tool |
| 00:42.24 | starseeker | although brlcad will ultimately call such shots |
| 00:43.27 | starseeker | I do agree though that the body of work poured into things like MGED and Archer will likely be preserved in some form |
| 00:43.37 | Ralith | Archer? |
| 00:44.03 | starseeker | um. Prototype viewer in Tcl/Tk, somewhat more modern feel |
| 00:44.07 | Ralith | ah. |
| 00:44.22 | starseeker | Try archer on the command line, if you have a recent BRL-CAD it should come up |
| 00:44.34 | starseeker | MGED has most of the useful features right now though |
| 00:44.45 | Ralith | is on the wrong system at the moment |
| 00:44.48 | yukonbob | howdy, cadheads |
| 00:44.58 | starseeker | yukonbob: howdy :-) |
| 00:45.12 | louipc | does archer work in linux now? |
| 00:45.26 | Ralith | there was a point at which it didn't? |
| 00:45.44 | louipc | whenever I tried it hah |
| 00:45.53 | Ralith | that doesn't mean it doesn't work in linux |
| 00:45.59 | Ralith | just not on your setup |
| 00:46.15 | starseeker | um, it just segfaulted for me |
| 00:46.19 | starseeker | so apparently not |
| 00:46.23 | Ralith | O.o |
| 00:46.25 | Ralith | weird |
| 00:46.26 | louipc | I don't think it worked on anyone's setup |
| 00:46.29 | Ralith | what was it developed on? |
| 00:46.44 | louipc | it just opened a little grey box for me |
| 00:47.23 | starseeker | just crashed for me when I tried to open a file |
| 00:47.38 | louipc | actually that's what the tkhtml3 help does if I use a non bundled tkhtml3 :/ |
| 00:48.29 | starseeker | louipc: really? |
| 00:48.31 | starseeker | what's the error? |
| 00:49.56 | louipc | I don't remember really |
| 00:50.25 | starseeker | hasn't tested nonbundled anything in a while |
| 00:50.28 | louipc | but the build system isn't really set up to detect and use system tkhtml3 either |
| 00:50.36 | starseeker | no, it isnt |
| 00:50.52 | louipc | I only added the --enable-tkhtml3 so I could disable it... and test or something :D |
| 00:51.29 | louipc | hah I thought the goal was to use all non-bundled libs for gentoo eh? |
| 00:51.31 | starseeker | I did include the latest trunk tkhtml3, so that might be an issue |
| 00:51.42 | starseeker | louipc: I'm still a little soured on that whole thing |
| 00:51.43 | louipc | oh |
| 00:52.02 | louipc | I have alpha16 |
| 00:52.09 | starseeker | ah |
| 00:52.24 | starseeker | hasn't tested that |
| 00:54.10 | archivist | starseeker, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=82NKvZQ-9W8 |
| 00:56.40 | starseeker | cool :-) |
| 00:56.48 | starseeker | must go to gym, bbl |
| 00:57.47 | louipc | nice |
| 01:20.51 | ``Erik_ | archivist, put your little willy away. |
| 01:21.14 | archivist | :) |
| 01:22.30 | archivist | was searching for the Bullock Creeping Grip |
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| 02:01.52 | punkrockgirl | hi guys |
| 02:01.54 | punkrockgirl | im djing |
| 02:02.02 | punkrockgirl | if you wanna hear |
| 02:02.09 | punkrockgirl | www.troubleradio.net |
| 02:03.03 | Ralith | punkrockgirl, you have a popup (bad) that goes to a 404 page (worse) |
| 02:03.05 | Ralith | :P |
| 02:20.01 | punkrockgirl | i do? |
| 02:20.04 | punkrockgirl | its not my site |
| 02:20.06 | punkrockgirl | :( |
| 02:20.12 | punkrockgirl | but dont click on popups |
| 02:20.30 | punkrockgirl | my computer blocks them so i didnt know that |
| 02:26.28 | Ralith | it is a site you are associated with |
| 02:31.57 | louipc | make your own site! :D |
| 02:33.05 | Ralith | no u |
| 02:34.28 | louipc | I have one |
| 02:34.39 | louipc | but I don't have anything to put on it |
| 03:20.56 | punkrockgirl | oh i guess i could |
| 03:21.00 | punkrockgirl | but i dj on that guys thingy |
| 03:21.04 | punkrockgirl | so i use his |
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| 05:36.06 | starseeker | yuck |
| 05:36.30 | starseeker | 's attempt at putting together drawing images is a failure |
| 05:46.59 | starseeker | grr |
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| 22:39.45 | Ralith | brlcad: is there a reason burst doesn't seem to use vmath.h (insofar as gridrotate.c and idents.c are concerned, anyway)? |