| 00:00.30 | ``Erik | iirc, png allows you to set the width arbitrarily |
| 00:00.34 | brlcad | we actually have the start/stubs to a floating point raw image format (dpix) that was getting added to everything |
| 00:00.47 | ``Erik | nifty |
| 00:02.19 | ``Erik | hah, john stewart is refering to palin as "the she-bush" |
| 00:03.06 | brlcad | ah, so it does.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics#Color_depth |
| 00:26.47 | dtidrow | howdy, brlcad - finally moved into our new home |
| 00:29.19 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32867 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/bomb.c: erm, think the three fputs calls are stale debug leftovers. kill em |
| 00:29.33 | claymore | good lord.. a 1 TB 7200 spin SATA drive... $89... |
| 00:30.25 | dtidrow | lik please ;-) |
| 00:30.31 | dtidrow | link, that is... |
| 00:31.17 | claymore | bah, 119 with a 30 mail in rebate... never mind |
| 00:31.21 | claymore | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10005968&eml=100708&email=100708&ref_id=5992&ref_t=Z&originid=82882604 |
| 00:31.51 | dtidrow | still, $120/TB is still a good deal |
| 00:32.36 | claymore | I know, I am just super impatient ;) Mail In Rebates != instant satisfaction.... |
| 00:32.48 | starseeker | prods CIA-4 |
| 00:33.14 | claymore | quadcore AMD socket am2 2.6GHz for $190. Now thats not bad at all... |
| 00:50.12 | starseeker | hopes his hardware holds out for a while |
| 00:57.46 | ``Erik | looks at his 1.2ghz athlon and ponders |
| 01:14.58 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32869 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: Oh yeah, might help to actually build tkhtml3 |
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| 01:21.25 | *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Channel logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || The 2008 Google Summer of Code is complete! -- Thanks deserved to all of our students! || (Source) Release 7.12.6 posted 2008-08-19 || Mailing lists are now reply-to-list instead of reply-to-sender by default |
| 02:01.02 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r32870 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/iges/spline.c: |
| 02:01.02 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: Corrected the limit on a loop. I believe this corrects bug #2009424 |
| 02:01.02 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: "iges-g crashes with -n option on Linux". Also improved handling of rational |
| 02:01.02 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: vs polynomial surfaces (to reduce memory usage of non-rational Bspline surfaces). |
| 02:14.12 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1772239 |
| 02:42.54 | brlcad | woo hoo! .. http://brlcad.org/tmp/bombardier.png |
| 02:43.05 | brlcad | halfway there |
| 02:45.50 | PrezKennedy | you should have put in "Having fun" in the place where it asks what you were doing |
| 02:46.02 | starseeker | sweeeet! |
| 02:50.38 | louipc | fancy |
| 02:51.00 | louipc | I thought that was going to be a model of a water bomber or something |
| 02:52.02 | brlcad | :) |
| 02:52.15 | brlcad | it's what I'm calling the crash report tool |
| 02:52.34 | brlcad | dtidrow: congratulations! |
| 02:52.53 | brlcad | dtidrow: so where abouts are you now? |
| 02:54.20 | brlcad | so aquatk is still a bit of a pita to get matching x11 .. and I have to jump through hoops to force it to use the right libs (it's sort of all or nothing) |
| 02:54.29 | brlcad | but it does indeed work at least for that simple example |
| 02:56.33 | starseeker | YES! http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/html_man_MGED.png |
| 02:56.56 | brlcad | hah |
| 02:57.09 | brlcad | I've been trumped, nice work :) |
| 02:57.24 | brlcad | that looks great |
| 02:57.31 | starseeker | nah, not trumped - just didn't want to get too far behind :-P |
| 02:57.32 | starseeker | thanks |
| 02:57.59 | starseeker | rendering isn't absolutely perfect (one of the tables is left justified for some reason) but it should do |
| 02:58.19 | brlcad | nods |
| 02:58.29 | starseeker | right now, only search and rt on that list work |
| 02:58.44 | brlcad | i know it's powerful and can do pretty much any layout, but it always seems a pita to me to get tk layouts to behave |
| 02:59.02 | starseeker | I need to use the dirent functionality to look at whats actually available and build a list from that |
| 02:59.12 | starseeker | agrees |
| 02:59.21 | brlcad | they just seem to go contrary to how I learned layouts or something and I always feel like I'm hacking it (probably due to just not sitting down and spending the time to learn it proper) |
| 03:00.47 | starseeker | brlcad: Right now it's more or less held together with chewing gum and string, but I think it should be fairly safe as far as crashing goes - can I go ahead and commit so I don't lose it? |
| 03:01.13 | starseeker | doesn't think it's brlcad - I've got the frigging intro book in front of me and it feels weird |
| 03:02.18 | brlcad | the only concern is the compilability of tkhtml3 |
| 03:02.30 | brlcad | if that's working cleanly, I don't see why not |
| 03:02.56 | brlcad | maybe test a bsd and mac at least |
| 03:03.11 | brlcad | make sure it builds and installs without a hiccup |
| 03:03.15 | starseeker | Mac's OK (at least this one is) |
| 03:03.19 | starseeker | hunts up linux box |
| 03:06.09 | louipc | builds tkhtml |
| 03:06.13 | louipc | woohoo |
| 03:20.48 | brlcad | what's the usual Linux/X11 key binding to quit an app and/or close a window? |
| 03:21.52 | brlcad | control-q ? |
| 03:24.13 | starseeker | hmm. Ctrl-q sounds good. I'm not sure there really is a standard per say - I usually either quit via the program or kill the sucker |
| 03:26.10 | ``Erik | whatever has been mapped to xkill :D ctl+alt+escape (then click the window) shows up on a google |
| 03:26.32 | ``Erik | if that doesn'twork, ctl+alt+backspace will definitely get it |
| 03:26.37 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 03:26.47 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:27.04 | starseeker | sounds like an approach Mike would use for quitting an app - "Nuke 'em all!" :-P |
| 03:28.45 | starseeker | will test john's iges-g fix when he gets home - that'll be NEWS worthy if he got it |
| 03:29.12 | ``Erik | many moons ago, back when I used to code,I was having issues with X locking up during opengl development with my 3dfx card and the opengl/glide bridge... ended up writing a joystick polling program that mapped things like killing X to a button, rebooting the machine to a button, etc... :) |
| 03:29.19 | ``Erik | I used to be cool! honest! |
| 03:29.35 | starseeker | heh |
| 03:30.00 | starseeker | was only ever cool in a relative sense |
| 03:32.45 | starseeker | reached the Zen of floppy divination - the true master needs no labels |
| 03:34.03 | ``Erik | http://www.libraryjournal.com/articles/blog/770000077/20080618/cassette02.jpg |
| 03:34.13 | ``Erik | my first programs went on things that looked like those |
| 03:34.14 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:35.04 | starseeker | eh |
| 03:35.15 | starseeker | at least neither of us was there to suffer through punch cards |
| 03:35.23 | ``Erik | my mom did O.o |
| 03:35.26 | starseeker | ow |
| 03:35.45 | starseeker | might still take punch cards over old style mechanical typewritters though |
| 03:36.03 | ``Erik | she was in college taking programming classes... fortran on punch cards... her guidance councellor told her there was no future in programming or computers |
| 03:36.08 | ``Erik | woops O.o |
| 03:36.14 | starseeker | did she listen? |
| 03:36.20 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 03:36.49 | starseeker | whoops |
| 03:37.48 | Ralith | fortran existed on punch cards? |
| 03:37.49 | Ralith | wow. |
| 03:37.56 | Ralith | I didn't know they were at all high level. |
| 03:39.12 | starseeker | pretty much ignored his undergraduate councellor |
| 03:39.38 | ``Erik | up through fortran 4, the format was "fixed column" to facilitate punchcard programming... |
| 03:47.08 | starseeker | Works on linux |
| 03:47.14 | starseeker | swwweeeet |
| 03:49.11 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32871 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Early stage attempt at html based manual page display in MGED |
| 03:50.02 | starseeker | decides that's probably enough for one day and heads home. |
| 03:50.36 | starseeker | on the plus side, it doesn't look like my hours will be quite as long as I was afraid they would be |
| 03:55.48 | brlcad | great |
| 04:01.27 | dtidrow | brlcad: we're about 15 miles north of Detroit |
| 04:50.50 | brlcad | dtidrow, oh wow .. dunno if I knew that already, but .. yeah, wow :) |
| 04:51.18 | brlcad | I have family about a mile or two from M59 |
| 04:52.18 | brlcad | kicks CIA-4 |
| 04:52.18 | CIA-4 | ow |
| 04:52.56 | brlcad | given the e-mails are making it out, CIA must be dropping commits now when load is high |
| 04:55.24 | brlcad | more or less final appearance now, http://brlcad.org/tmp/bombardier.png |
| 06:33.21 | starseeker | very nice! |
| 06:33.56 | brlcad | thx, still needs word-smithed |
| 06:34.03 | brlcad | still needs to send the report somewhere |
| 06:34.05 | starseeker | erm |
| 06:34.10 | brlcad | still needs to get hooked into an app |
| 06:34.10 | starseeker | In file included from ../../../brlcad/src/util/bombardier.c:35: |
| 06:34.10 | starseeker | /usr/include/tk.h:23:3: error: #error Tk 8.4 must be compiled with tcl.h from Tcl 8.4 |
| 06:34.25 | brlcad | hm |
| 06:34.38 | brlcad | sounds like might be needing some autogenification love |
| 06:34.48 | brlcad | or cppflags are lacking |
| 06:35.03 | brlcad | ah, yes.. |
| 06:35.08 | brlcad | doesn't bite on mac |
| 06:36.59 | brlcad | hrm, not what I thought it might be |
| 06:37.24 | brlcad | ah, maybe this.. |
| 06:40.51 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32874 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/Makefile.am: try adding the tk and tcl cppflags for bombardier since it needs both |
| 06:41.24 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32875 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/bombardier.c: re-enable the tclcad_auto_path so that we can run cleanly uninstalled (nasty to include all of libtclcad just for that routine, but oh well) |
| 06:45.04 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32876 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/bombardier.c: quell warnings, use fclose instead of close so we don't have to invoke bio.h or unistd.h |
| 06:52.40 | brlcad | give that a go |
| 06:59.33 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32878 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/bombardier.c: and say bye bye to the second fixed buffer too, all hail the new vls overlords |
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| 08:14.05 | brlcad | gets back to work |
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| 09:11.36 | pacman87 | finally finishes ~5 hours of assembly programming and breadboard prototyping |
| 09:11.47 | pacman87 | good night/morning |
| 09:14.40 | brlcad | g'morning claymore |
| 09:15.02 | brlcad | howdy pacman87 |
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| 09:15.33 | pacman87 | waking up for my circuits lab in 4 hours isn't going to be fun |
| 09:15.33 | brlcad | :) |
| 09:15.34 | brlcad | don't go to sleep |
| 09:15.45 | brlcad | then you don't have to face that unpleasantry |
| 09:16.03 | pacman87 | if it's less than 3 or so, i usually just stay up and go running |
| 09:16.25 | pacman87 | anyway, my bed is calling |
| 09:17.17 | clock_ | pacman87: circuits lab? Is it something to do with electronics |
| 09:17.54 | brlcad | circuits usually do |
| 09:18.19 | clock_ | That reminds me how I am trying to teach 2N3904's to ride 10 MHz swell |
| 09:18.54 | clock_ | Using a circuit simulator I found out the emitter capacitance is not 8pF as written in datasheet, but under current, it goes up to 57pF! |
| 09:19.17 | clock_ | No wonder it was deforming the signal so horribly when I designed for 8pF! |
| 09:20.02 | archivist | dont over trust simulators |
| 09:20.13 | clock_ | But it makes sense |
| 09:20.31 | clock_ | Under current the capacity of every junction goes much higher |
| 09:21.22 | clock_ | In reality when built the circuit I got a 500 MHz oscillator. |
| 09:21.45 | clock_ | It couldn't amplify 10MHz properly, but had no problems with oscillating at 500 MHz ;-) |
| 09:21.47 | clock_ | Even when the transistors stop working at 300 MHz |
| 09:22.00 | clock_ | knows how to design circuits for astonishing results |
| 09:22.40 | archivist | the models in circuit simulators can be poor approximations and ive seen some maths effects from poor simulator design |
| 09:23.00 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32880 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/ (Makefile.am bombardier.h): |
| 09:23.00 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: add an icon to bombardier in old-school bitmap format (since that's what tcl |
| 09:23.00 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: wants). it's nice when all the old tools still work. bitmap was custom |
| 09:23.00 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: hand-edited based off a picture of real Bombardier wings, dithered to bitmap, |
| 09:23.00 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: exported as png, converted to bw, rotated/inverted to 4th quadrant with bwrot, |
| 09:23.02 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: converted to ascii via bw-a, and then to X11 bitmap format using atobmp. so |
| 09:23.04 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: nice when everything works. |
| 09:23.42 | clock_ | archivist: yeah the theory vs. praxis problem |
| 09:24.38 | clock_ | archivist: reminds me surfing. All the surf people told me to train stand up at home. I trained a perfect standup on a floor. But when I got to a real board it didn't work at all, because the board has a different mechanical impedance |
| 09:25.25 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32881 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/bombardier.c: hook in a preliminary query dialog that asks the user if they'd like to report the crash (displaying the nifty bombardier wings as a bitmap icon). good to go now for sending the report on in. |
| 09:41.06 | brlcad | more preview shots: http://brlcad.org/tmp/bombardier_hello.png http://brlcad.org/tmp/bombardier_final.png |
| 09:43.00 | clock_ | Please describe what you were doing when the crash occured: |
| 09:43.13 | clock_ | I was eating a phone order pizza and masturbating under the desk. |
| 09:47.21 | brlcad | and that description will get the attention it deserves |
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| 10:18.02 | claymore | wants to know what kind of pizza it was... |
| 10:35.42 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32882 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (11 files in 11 dirs): ignore the generated files for a clean svn status |
| 11:03.35 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r32883 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/CMakeLists.txt: added a file to be in sync with Makefile.am |
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| 12:30.35 | mafm | hi |
| 12:48.12 | claymore | hai! |
| 12:57.36 | starseeker | brlcad: Yep, that looks like it builds now - thanks! |
| 12:57.48 | starseeker | (sorry, crashed last night) |
| 12:59.50 | mafm | hai |
| 13:00.09 | starseeker | howdy |
| 13:01.36 | starseeker | brlcad: those screenshots look awesome |
| 13:06.36 | starseeker | wooot - tkhtml3 works on my gentoo box too |
| 13:08.08 | starseeker | is stunned - once I get MGED to generate a "proper" list of available man pages and hook in a command line call, this might actually be ready to roll |
| 13:10.04 | starseeker | should get ready to roll too... |
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| 14:56.54 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32884 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/ (Makefile.am bwscale.xml): Add bwscale man page docbook conversion from Janine. |
| 15:18.48 | brlcad | starseeker: so is she just going down the list and the first ones started with B ? |
| 15:20.01 | brlcad | er with the b's |
| 15:26.45 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32885 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: call out the work being put into converting, reviewing, and editing the documentation as it is massaged into Docbook format by cliff and janine. |
| 15:27.05 | starseeker | no, that was just a random short file I gave here as a test |
| 15:27.50 | starseeker | I gave here the full set now, with the list of cmds MGED knows about as the high priorities |
| 15:27.58 | starseeker | er gave her |
| 15:28.17 | starseeker | should think about waking up |
| 15:28.47 | brlcad | "the full set"? |
| 15:28.59 | starseeker | all man1 man pages |
| 15:29.13 | starseeker | she knows to avoid the 3rd party ones |
| 15:29.18 | brlcad | ah, okay -- so they are all command-line commands |
| 15:29.25 | starseeker | nods |
| 15:30.01 | starseeker | is there a good example of starting a dialog from the mged command line anywhere? |
| 15:30.23 | starseeker | needs an id to feed the dialog request |
| 15:33.36 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32886 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 15:33.36 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: this one is a little more tricky to word from an external user perspective but |
| 15:33.36 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: it's not critical to get it right since it should have a suymmary paragraph |
| 15:33.37 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: talking about it anyways come release time. mention the enhanced documentation |
| 15:33.37 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: processing system in mged that cliff now has integrated and working. |
| 15:33.56 | brlcad | erm, yeah, look at bombardier :) |
| 15:34.04 | brlcad | tk_dialog |
| 15:34.08 | starseeker | turns red |
| 15:34.11 | starseeker | I knew that... |
| 15:36.47 | brlcad | i.e., this line in that file: set response [tk_dialog .supg {Ooops...} $msg bombardier 1 {Close} {Report...}] |
| 15:37.38 | starseeker | wants to set up a "man" command on the MGED command line such that "man search" opens up the html search doc - is it better to do that in tcl or C? |
| 15:49.32 | brlcad | "yes" |
| 15:50.18 | brlcad | given it kicks off a gui, that portion belongs in tcl as tcl |
| 15:50.44 | starseeker | ok |
| 15:51.03 | starseeker | is there an example of that (maybe the sketch editor?) |
| 15:51.17 | brlcad | you could, however conceivably have a 'man' command inside mged that was even available in classive mode, and that wouldn't/shouldn't involve tcl at all |
| 15:51.37 | starseeker | how would it display results? |
| 15:51.38 | brlcad | sketch editor is a pig, but yeah -- it's an example |
| 15:51.42 | starseeker | k |
| 15:51.48 | brlcad | probably a better example would be the geometry browser |
| 15:51.54 | brlcad | it's hooked in as the "geometree" command |
| 15:52.02 | starseeker | cool - thanks! |
| 15:52.04 | brlcad | src/tclscripts/geometree/geometree.tcl |
| 15:52.42 | brlcad | and yes.. I believe it's not documented ;) |
| 15:52.59 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32887 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/mged.tcl: Only list MGED commands if they actually have an html man page available. |
| 15:53.04 | starseeker | doesn't dare document that - he'll end up rewriting it |
| 15:53.30 | starseeker | Ah dingnabbit, now I've got to update the CCB notes again and this time I did it to myself |
| 15:54.04 | claymore | has extreme sympathy for starseeker. |
| 15:54.33 | starseeker | 's sarcasm detector just had its needle broken off |
| 16:02.04 | claymore | spent nearly 10 years dealing with the QA aspect of running nuclear power plants, so when it comes to paperwork, claymore DOES have sympathy for starseeker ;) |
| 16:02.17 | starseeker | Ah :-) |
| 16:02.33 | starseeker | yes, I've heard legends about nuclear power plant requirements for documentaiton |
| 16:03.02 | claymore | legends? Nah. More like living mightmares. |
| 16:04.31 | claymore | True story: I had to spend 3 hours one time to replace a set of 25A/450V fuses in a switchboard. 1.4 hrs for the initial paperwork/permissions, .2 hrs to replace the fuses in the live board, 1.4 hrs for the followup paperwork closeout. |
| 16:04.59 | claymore | that was the point at which i knew i was finished with the Nuke Power aspect of my life ;) |
| 16:05.01 | Axman6 | nice |
| 16:05.12 | starseeker | winces |
| 16:05.27 | Axman6 | those sound like large fuses... |
| 16:05.49 | claymore | Nope. 25A fuses are about the size of half a crayon. |
| 16:05.56 | Axman6 | what was it like working there? |
| 16:06.00 | Axman6 | heh, fair enough |
| 16:06.13 | claymore | I think they were for a 450V recepticle actually. |
| 16:06.32 | claymore | Well, it was active duty Navy, so it was like any other active duty really. |
| 16:07.14 | Axman6 | ah yes, right. makes sense why you're here then |
| 16:07.51 | claymore | 'here' ? |
| 16:08.00 | Axman6 | #brlcad |
| 16:08.12 | Axman6 | the whole army thing... nevermind |
| 16:08.18 | claymore | looks out his window for suspicous looking cars... |
| 16:08.40 | Axman6 | *cough* |
| 16:09.04 | claymore | Yeah, i had 10 years in governent service... couldn't just toss that away and I couldn't stand any more deployments... SO, seemed like a natural choice. |
| 16:09.48 | claymore | Plus, I will hit my retirement window at the age of 42 and will probably switch over to contracting at that point. Nothing like the double dip! |
| 16:10.22 | Axman6 | so what are you doing now? |
| 16:11.26 | claymore | I am a newb software dev for the Army Research Labs ;) |
| 16:11.51 | claymore | en you? |
| 16:12.49 | Axman6 | first year uni student in australia. falling heavily in love with haskell... |
| 16:14.23 | Axman6 | i'm not sure why i still hang around here tbh. i haven't used brlcad for most than two years (mostly because X11 is broken on OS X). just has a nice feel i guess |
| 16:15.17 | claymore | isnt the x11 in 10.5 behaving? Like I said, I am just a newb with the brlcad package (from the dev side that is)... so I am unsure. |
| 16:15.32 | Axman6 | i should test it out again. |
| 16:20.12 | Axman6 | fetches the source |
| 16:20.47 | brlcad | starseeker: if all you're going to do is %s formatting, format is pointless |
| 16:21.06 | Axman6 | a while ago brlcad was trying to see if he could get it all working under leopard, and i let him use this lappy via ssh. kind of anoying that it was apple's fault in the end :\ |
| 16:21.08 | brlcad | instead of format "html/man1/en/%s.html" $cmd, just use "html/man1/en/$cmd.html" instead |
| 16:21.17 | starseeker | ah, ok |
| 16:21.25 | starseeker | isn't used to tcl yet |
| 16:23.43 | brlcad | Axman6: that should all be working now -- we had successful 10.5 compiles just a couple weeks ago |
| 16:23.48 | Axman6 | brlcad: how would you feel about solving this, just to show off? http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=202 |
| 16:23.57 | Axman6 | brlcad: excellent :) |
| 16:24.59 | pacman87 | Axman6: i already did that one 2-3 weeks ago :) |
| 16:25.12 | Axman6 | nice :) |
| 16:25.35 | pacman87 | i came up with the algorithm over dinner, written on the back of a napkin |
| 16:25.50 | pacman87 | when one of my friends brought up the problem |
| 16:25.50 | Axman6 | i've become a bit addicted to project euler. i still have a long way to come though :\ |
| 16:25.53 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32888 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/ (Makefile.am man.tcl tclIndex): Not quite perfect yet, but this flips up the window if you type 'man search' in the command window. |
| 16:26.04 | Axman6 | heh, very nice |
| 16:26.52 | starseeker | not yet it isn't - I need to figure out how to avoid blocking the command line |
| 16:27.13 | pacman87 | ~25 lines of code |
| 16:28.33 | Axman6 | one of the reasons i really like haskell s that i can write clear, one line solutions, that are very fast. often i don't use one line, because i confuse myself... but many could be |
| 16:33.51 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32889 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/mged.tcl: Don't need format here (per Sean) |
| 16:39.45 | Axman6 | brlcad: anything more i need to do to get a 64 bit build than --ebable-64bit-build? ./configure's whinging :\ |
| 16:41.13 | brlcad | Axman6: yes, you have to set flags |
| 16:41.35 | brlcad | the configure flag isn't sufficient due to how libtool works |
| 16:42.06 | brlcad | CFLAGS=-m64 LDFLAGS=-m64 |
| 16:43.19 | brlcad | starseeker: tk_dialog is blocking -- if you want non-blocking, you'll want to do something different (create a proper window) |
| 16:46.32 | brlcad | the geometry browser does it by creating a panedwindow (itk widget) inside the GeometryBrowser constructor |
| 16:46.54 | brlcad | there are a couple dozen other ways you can get a similar result |
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| 17:31.53 | mafm | night |
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| 18:16.17 | claymore | how does one turn the terrian off? |
| 18:18.26 | brlcad | claymore: que? |
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| 18:25.36 | ``Erik | haskell does some damn sexy things in some very limited fields, but it suddenly gets weak when you leave that arena :/ |
| 18:29.04 | ``Erik | like, "find the smallest number evenly divisable by every number between 1 and 20"... foldr1 lcm [1..20] |
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| 19:00.24 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32890 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: fix it so clean/clobber work atain. treat those two commands like help and instructions, processing them before the benchmark 'begins'. |
| 19:08.36 | brlcad | starseeker: toggling .so and .dll isn't portable (and won't be right on mac where it's neither) |
| 19:08.47 | brlcad | try to avoid bob's bad habits :) |
| 19:09.16 | starseeker | brlcad: Yeah, that's were I got it - OK, what's the right way? (how come it is working on Mac, then?) |
| 19:09.47 | brlcad | you should also *never* peek into .libs dirs |
| 19:11.47 | ``Erik | unless you're über |
| 19:12.52 | brlcad | it's working because you told libtool to make a "module" (which is sort of like a fake library instruction) |
| 19:12.58 | brlcad | which makes it build the thing static |
| 19:13.09 | brlcad | so package require doesn't do anything, it just happens to be compiled in |
| 19:13.16 | starseeker | was following what tkimg was doing... |
| 19:13.36 | brlcad | tkimg is a broken way to do it, and part why archer has so many problems |
| 19:13.54 | starseeker | ok, what's the better one? |
| 19:14.11 | brlcad | where'd the build files for tkhtml3 come from? |
| 19:14.17 | brlcad | you write them or did upstream? |
| 19:14.47 | starseeker | wrote them |
| 19:14.59 | starseeker | they had some but they didn't seem to "fit" |
| 19:15.08 | brlcad | what'd they use? |
| 19:15.28 | starseeker | Make, but they were using tclsh to generate c files on the fly |
| 19:15.56 | brlcad | the "right way", which tkimg doesn't do, is to set up the build through the tcl extensions interface, TEA |
| 19:16.31 | brlcad | straight up make or automake or ? |
| 19:16.53 | starseeker | configure.in, Makefile.in, no Makefile.am |
| 19:17.24 | brlcad | this explains TEA a bit (and is a good read to follow regardless), http://www.equi4.com/pub/etc/extuse.html |
| 19:17.32 | brlcad | okay, so autoconf project |
| 19:17.44 | brlcad | they may have been using tea then already |
| 19:17.58 | starseeker | yes, i think they were |
| 19:19.29 | brlcad | http://wiki.tcl.tk/327 too |
| 19:19.51 | starseeker | Are any of the src/other libs handled "the right way" currently? |
| 19:19.51 | brlcad | ah, there it is -- http://www.tcl.tk/doc/tea/ |
| 19:20.05 | brlcad | mm, don't remember |
| 19:20.13 | brlcad | maybe iwidgets |
| 19:20.52 | starseeker | groans - I take it the "right" thing to do is to fix 'em all? |
| 19:20.55 | brlcad | I think maybe incrTcl too possibly, but it's got other complexities |
| 19:21.19 | brlcad | nah, I wouldn't worry about fixing a problem that doesn't exist or has zero-cost at the moment |
| 19:21.26 | brlcad | just don't add to it ;) |
| 19:21.32 | starseeker | heh |
| 19:21.50 | starseeker | checks what iwidgets does |
| 19:21.53 | brlcad | and avoid the bobish if platform copouts :) |
| 19:22.16 | brlcad | they continue to bite us in the ass years later |
| 19:22.19 | starseeker | That seemed rather weird to me at the time, but I was assuming Archer did things the "right way" - guess not... |
| 19:23.21 | brlcad | i've spent weeks discovering/debugging and then rewriting something that amounted to a hack done a decade ago because a problem came up |
| 19:23.24 | brlcad | dozens of them |
| 19:24.04 | brlcad | it saved the original dev 'maybe' a couple days of extra work at the time |
| 19:24.26 | starseeker | nods. I'll attempt to retool the tkhtml3 build to the "correct" behavior |
| 19:24.48 | starseeker | I think we still want to avoid the tclsh generated c files - those are a pain |
| 19:24.57 | brlcad | archer does the tcl side better, but not any of it's dependency management |
| 19:25.15 | brlcad | it's initialization really sucked horribly as well, hard coded filesystem paths everywhere |
| 19:25.19 | brlcad | impossible for it to run anywhere |
| 19:25.34 | brlcad | but i've since rewritten it when I got it working on mac |
| 19:25.54 | starseeker | cool |
| 19:26.24 | brlcad | took over a month to diagnose, learn, and fix .. and probably only saved a week to do the hack |
| 19:26.44 | starseeker | we need to send Bob to boot camp :-P |
| 19:26.46 | brlcad | really has grown to despise the maintenance burden of hacks |
| 19:27.06 | brlcad | oh, I don't mind *bob* so much doing it |
| 19:27.25 | brlcad | but it means he needs a finisher, someone that follows up after him and cleans up while it's all still in context |
| 19:27.58 | brlcad | at least I don't mind "too" much .. sometimes the hacks aren't even worth it if he's really being lazy |
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| 19:28.47 | starseeker | was so happy to have a working tkhtml3, too... |
| 19:29.24 | brlcad | damn commit e-mails ruining your fun ;) |
| 19:29.41 | starseeker | you were supposed to be too shot to read them :-P |
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| 19:31.21 | starseeker | erm. Does each src/other directory need its own version of tcl.m4? |
| 19:32.19 | brlcad | technically, no, but it's easier to leave upstream as pristine as possible |
| 19:32.28 | brlcad | and to distribute stand-alone.. |
| 19:32.51 | starseeker | Ah... |
| 19:33.12 | brlcad | fyi, not to add to the greivances but make dist is busted in tkhtml3 too ;) |
| 19:34.06 | brlcad | chuckles |
| 19:34.17 | starseeker | OK, OK, I give up - I'll look over the iwidgets setup. |
| 19:34.51 | brlcad | read the TEA docs, act like you're writing an extension .. then see what the others have done |
| 19:34.59 | starseeker | will see about staying closer to the original tkhtml3 build logic, but it doesn't clean up after itself properly |
| 19:35.43 | brlcad | it is possible to hook in their .in files into our configure so that they build as a proper subconfigure |
| 19:36.43 | starseeker | would prefer not to do that - they've got a snarl of several things stuffed in there, some of which may or may not be working... |
| 19:36.50 | brlcad | unless they were doing something horrible, I'd try to leave them as pristine as possible just so we can upgrade with near-zero effort |
| 19:37.32 | starseeker | can submit a patch to them... :-P |
| 19:38.53 | starseeker | mumbles something under his breath about getting Bob for this... |
| 19:43.32 | ``Erik | heh "what about bob?" ? :D |
| 19:44.02 | ``Erik | hopefully with windows, linux and osX all on his desk, he'll avoid those issues :) |
| 20:03.06 | brlcad | you'd think |
| 20:03.56 | brlcad | but he still reverts to #ifdefs all the time, and 90% of the time they're not needed or desirable |
| 20:07.27 | PrezKennedy | need some goto statements |
| 20:11.19 | ``Erik | logs in and 'updates' his cpp :D |
| 20:12.38 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, have you talked to my brother about his classes this semester? |
| 20:14.53 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32892 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/man.tcl: Would help to be able to scroll. |
| 20:36.29 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: nope |
| 20:37.12 | brlcad | starseeker: scrolling example in bombardier |
| 20:37.34 | brlcad | you basically just tie the text area to the scrollbar |
| 20:42.11 | ``Erik | wiggles his toes |
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| 21:04.26 | PrezKennedy | i hate when the Internet goes down at work |
| 21:04.29 | PrezKennedy | phones go too |
| 21:04.36 | PrezKennedy | but somehow people still manage to find me |
| 21:18.08 | starseeker | brlcad: Oh, I've got a scrollbar hooked up - I was just overriding all mouse events at the window level so when I clicked on the scrollbar to move it the window closed |
| 21:18.40 | starseeker | brlcad: sort of a "you touch it, it vanishes" kind of arrangement |
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| 21:42.38 | TunaSushi | hello, any humans in here? |
| 21:43.48 | starseeker | will aliens do? |
| 21:44.38 | TunaSushi | close enough... i have a newbie question... |
| 21:44.57 | TunaSushi | what's the easiest way to get dimensions and volume from an igs file? |
| 21:45.15 | starseeker | igs? |
| 21:45.28 | starseeker | iges you mean? |
| 21:46.11 | starseeker | You can give the iges-g converter a shot and then examine the components in BRL-CAD |
| 21:46.14 | TunaSushi | oops. typo. yes. plus i'm using windows with a 3-letter file extention. |
| 21:46.35 | starseeker | erm. brlcad, you know if the iges-g convert is in the Windows build? |
| 21:49.13 | TunaSushi | i haven't used brl-cad before. downloading now... i try to use catia for iges, but i have not been able to get simple drafting info for print. |
| 21:49.21 | starseeker | nirt can be used to examine a solid model for dimensions |
| 21:50.01 | starseeker | if the iges-g conversion preserves the right info - not sure about that |
| 21:50.09 | TunaSushi | is nirt a component of brl-cad? |
| 21:50.28 | starseeker | yes |
| 21:51.02 | TunaSushi | ok. |
| 21:52.47 | TunaSushi | are you one of the developers? |
| 21:53.01 | starseeker | not a senior one, but yes |
| 21:53.54 | ``Erik | nub |
| 21:54.04 | starseeker | nurb |
| 21:54.37 | starseeker | oh, shorthand for noob? |
| 21:54.44 | starseeker | fair enough |
| 21:54.59 | ``Erik | like noob, but meaner :D |
| 21:55.19 | TunaSushi | i was crass enough to spell it 'newbie'. |
| 21:55.47 | TunaSushi | what OS do you guys run this on? |
| 21:56.03 | ``Erik | I mostly use FreeBSD and MacOS-X |
| 21:56.21 | starseeker | OSX and gentoo linux |
| 21:56.33 | ``Erik | bbiab, my computer told me to go home |
| 21:57.29 | starseeker | should get supper |
| 21:58.44 | TunaSushi | i'm lost. |
| 21:58.59 | starseeker | what's the problem? |
| 22:00.06 | TunaSushi | i have Archer, MGED, and RTWizard. |
| 22:00.13 | starseeker | The iges-g tool is a command line tool - if it is in the Windows build it will need to be run from the Windows terminal |
| 22:01.06 | starseeker | Look in the BRL-CAD install directories for iges-g.exe |
| 22:01.35 | starseeker | probably in a bin directory |
| 22:01.56 | starseeker | if it's there, open a terminal and CD into that directory. |
| 22:02.38 | starseeker | then it's iges-g -o file.g path_to_iges_file |
| 22:02.51 | starseeker | or iges-g.exe maybe |
| 22:03.00 | starseeker | must run - bbiab |
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| 22:34.01 | louipc | haha windows terminal |
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| 23:53.47 | Axman6 | bleh, bre-cad doesn't want to build 64bit for me -_- |
| 23:54.03 | Axman6 | brl-cad too |
