| 00:40.21 | starseeker | checks in |
| 00:42.33 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 00:42.40 | starseeker | howdy :-) |
| 00:43.32 | yukonbob | prepares to have to log off in couple minutes... |
| 00:43.39 | yukonbob | (damn battery...) |
| 01:12.33 | brlcad | ponders a deeply obscure db_dump bug |
| 01:20.28 | ``Erik | that sounds like an awesome thing to add, brlcad |
| 01:21.12 | brlcad | hm? |
| 01:21.23 | brlcad | it already exists |
| 01:21.34 | ``Erik | then why're you pondering one? :D *duck* |
| 01:21.44 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 01:21.59 | ``Erik | ponders genericising tree walkers and making the existing ones wrappers |
| 01:22.00 | brlcad | it's screwy as hell, it's daniel's bug that he posted to the mailing list |
| 01:22.12 | brlcad | do it! |
| 01:22.19 | brlcad | that is so sorely needed |
| 01:22.32 | brlcad | db_recurse was sort of the start of that |
| 01:22.38 | brlcad | but never finished |
| 01:22.46 | ``Erik | I was talking to dave and mike about it, threw out a basic plan |
| 01:22.54 | ``Erik | mike said it sounded good, so I told him to go do it... he refused |
| 01:23.15 | brlcad | yeah, no way he's getting out of his armchair to actually do something |
| 01:23.34 | ``Erik | not true! |
| 01:23.40 | ``Erik | he'll move like you wouldn't believe to talk to people |
| 01:27.47 | ``Erik | beer, popcorn and stargate continuum, awww yeah |
| 01:29.02 | brlcad | did almost exactly that when it came out |
| 01:29.02 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32749 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_open.c: make sure we don't try to dump a v4 database into a v5 database since it's not implemented. |
| 01:29.07 | brlcad | cept s/beer/scotch/ |
| 01:29.14 | brlcad | yum |
| 01:32.01 | ``Erik | aight, then, bring my some scotch! :D beeyotch |
| 01:33.44 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32750 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_open.c: ws |
| 01:54.36 | brlcad | woo hoo! .. think i found it |
| 01:54.42 | brlcad | damn damn obscure |
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| 01:55.00 | brlcad | who woulda thunk that there is something wrong with this: |
| 01:55.00 | brlcad | dp->d_flags = (dp->d_flags & ~7) | flags; |
| 01:56.00 | The_Schmidt | whatsit? |
| 01:56.18 | brlcad | | flags is wrong |
| 01:56.28 | brlcad | it overrides the set d_flags |
| 01:57.08 | brlcad | the whole line is pretty much wrong it seems, have to figure out where it came from |
| 01:57.32 | The_Schmidt | u inthe code for this project? |
| 01:57.51 | brlcad | yep |
| 01:58.02 | The_Schmidt | crazy go nuts |
| 01:58.16 | The_Schmidt | need a distraction? |
| 01:58.25 | The_Schmidt | get your mind outta that code for a bit |
| 01:59.09 | The_Schmidt | i need advice on where to start |
| 01:59.20 | louipc | mged |
| 02:00.13 | The_Schmidt | i was wondering if this app would be a suitable for the designing of cardboard boxes |
| 02:01.43 | brlcad | i'm not exactly an expert on what all is required to design cardboard boxes |
| 02:01.47 | The_Schmidt | i design boxes that use a spec diagram to fold and take certain dimensions to fold based on their thickness |
| 02:02.32 | The_Schmidt | does this have folding features that could accomodate? |
| 02:03.05 | brlcad | hmm |
| 02:03.13 | louipc | hah that constraints stuff could be handy |
| 02:03.20 | brlcad | folding as a feature edit operation? |
| 02:03.52 | brlcad | you can certainly rotate something that would represent an edge, or write a script that would apply a boolean with a rotation |
| 02:04.03 | brlcad | but not as a direct edit operation |
| 02:04.11 | brlcad | louipc: yeah, no kidding |
| 02:04.41 | The_Schmidt | can u use it to do a simple 2d drawing? |
| 02:05.02 | The_Schmidt | or are you confined to 3d space? |
| 02:05.17 | brlcad | heh, sort of a contradiction there :) |
| 02:05.39 | The_Schmidt | would that be like trying to use blender to draw 2d vectors? |
| 02:06.01 | brlcad | you can do simple 2d drawing via our sketch editor, but it frankly sucks imnsho |
| 02:06.15 | brlcad | if you want to model with a 2D approach, there are better tools |
| 02:06.24 | brlcad | like qcad |
| 02:06.27 | brlcad | it's 2d-only |
| 02:07.28 | The_Schmidt | any free/open source recommends? |
| 02:07.37 | brlcad | i just did |
| 02:07.43 | yukonbob | http://www.langorigami.com/science/treemaker/treemaker5.php4 |
| 02:08.49 | The_Schmidt | hmm |
| 02:09.04 | louipc | holy moly! |
| 02:09.20 | brlcad | that would make for an interesting mged extension :) |
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| 02:09.29 | louipc | hahaha |
| 02:09.37 | brlcad | take an nmg/bot and unfold it |
| 02:10.35 | yukonbob | hits road; will hit libtool this evening (pick whatever definition of 'hit' you please ;) |
| 02:14.40 | brlcad | ouch, this is apparently an 8 year old bug |
| 02:16.55 | Twingy | not mine |
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| 02:26.54 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32751 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/deprecation.txt: need to prefix all the DIR defines with RT |
| 02:35.00 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32752 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (db5_alloc.c db5_io.c db_alloc.c db_io.c): use RT_DIR_PHONY_ADDR instead of -1L on d_addr |
| 02:56.46 | brlcad | *whew* |
| 02:57.10 | starseeker | whew? |
| 02:57.10 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32753 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (db_open.c wdb.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 02:57.10 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: fix the problem that daniel ran into with the db_dump snippet he sent to the |
| 02:57.10 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: brlcad-users list. his program opened an inmem and dumped it to disk, but was |
| 02:57.10 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: crashing during the dump. there were several problems I found (after 10 |
| 02:57.10 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: freaking hours of debugging and testing...), one being a bug in |
| 02:57.10 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: wdb_export_external() that was 8 years old. the routine erroneously allowed a |
| 02:57.11 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: disk dp to be marked as an inmem dp. that caused a crash since the (union |
| 02:57.14 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 02:57.31 | starseeker | ~brlcad++ |
| 02:58.36 | louipc | ibot: karma brlcad |
| 02:58.36 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 1 |
| 02:58.43 | starseeker | blinks |
| 02:58.43 | louipc | ibot: karma ~brlcad |
| 02:58.44 | ibot | ~brlcad has neutral karma |
| 02:58.56 | louipc | brlcad++ |
| 02:59.01 | starseeker | whoops |
| 02:59.03 | louipc | ~brlcad++ |
| 02:59.06 | louipc | ibot: karma ~brlcad |
| 02:59.06 | ibot | ~brlcad has neutral karma |
| 02:59.13 | louipc | ibot: karma brlcad |
| 02:59.13 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 1 |
| 02:59.18 | louipc | shrugs |
| 02:59.25 | starseeker | we tried :-) |
| 02:59.31 | louipc | buggy bot. sorry for the spam |
| 02:59.33 | starseeker | forgot about that cute little quirk |
| 02:59.57 | starseeker | I think that's actually a deliberate joke on the part of the bot author |
| 02:59.58 | brlcad | louipc: isn't not a bug, ibot's maintainer made the response to my karma be fixed at 1 :) |
| 03:00.11 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32754 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_open.c: |
| 03:00.11 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: add some extra protection to the db_dump problem, it shouldn't be trying to a |
| 03:00.11 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: disk-based wdbp with inmem export flags set. this isn't strictly necessary now |
| 03:00.11 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: since wdb_export_external catches the error, but it doesn't hurt either. |
| 03:00.17 | louipc | ah haha |
| 03:01.21 | brlcad | thinks those fixes are enough for now, my noodle is baked |
| 03:01.52 | starseeker | is impressed |
| 03:02.00 | brlcad | i'm not |
| 03:02.07 | brlcad | shoulda found that damn bug hours ago |
| 03:02.18 | starseeker | <snort> That's how it always goes |
| 03:02.35 | starseeker | at least you aren't typing macDOCBOOK1 into automake files |
| 03:02.51 | brlcad | went up and down the stack, up and down the stack, poking variables and *seeing* it was wrong and understanding why it crashed, but not how it got to that state |
| 03:03.32 | brlcad | chaulk it up to daniel to provoke an 8-year old bug |
| 03:03.54 | starseeker | Kinda scary some of our features haven't been prodded in that long :-( |
| 03:11.53 | brlcad | there is only one place that routine is used, mged's "dump" command |
| 03:12.06 | brlcad | which is never used to dump an in-memory database |
| 03:12.22 | brlcad | basically it was just a situation that was (apparently) never tested |
| 03:12.29 | starseeker | fun |
| 03:12.35 | brlcad | as in-memory support is something sorta new |
| 03:13.44 | brlcad | inmem's were totally busted for ray-tracing -- i went through similar debugging a couple years ago when I wrote g_transfer to get that working too |
| 03:14.04 | starseeker | ick |
| 03:24.54 | louipc | haha sounds like what I was doing when I got the illegal instruction drawing the torus |
| 03:27.04 | brlcad | that's why I said it was impressive when clubley found that bug so quickly |
| 03:27.11 | brlcad | that was quite obscure too |
| 03:29.05 | starseeker | sigh - why doesn't gentoo have IEE 754 floats I wonder |
| 03:30.52 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32755 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: provide non-deprecated RT_DIR defines |
| 03:32.21 | brlcad | starseeker: there's not 100% confidence that the tests won't produce false positives, but I've yet to see it fail if you pass -mieee-fp (and be sure -ffast-math is off along with the other ieee-killer compilation flags) |
| 03:33.19 | brlcad | the tests are in m4 |
| 03:34.22 | starseeker | nods. I'll have to check into that - it may be running the unstable gentoo has gotten me something funky enabled without me being aware of it |
| 03:49.57 | starseeker | brlcad: Well, I can build pdf and single page html of the volumes now |
| 03:50.21 | starseeker | chunked output and little things like installing the images correctly for html pages remain to be figured out, but it's progress |
| 03:51.00 | starseeker | 'course, considering how messed up the images are right now anyway... |
| 03:52.20 | starseeker | must sleep for the drive tomorrow... |
| 03:54.53 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32756 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/lessons/mged/ (16 files): Update lessons xml files for pending directory rename. |
| 03:56.28 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32757 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/mged/: remove old mged commands directory - this is going to be replaced by including full man pages for mged commands in system/man1 |
| 03:57.42 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32758 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (Makefile.am book/): remove old book directory in preparation for rename. |
| 03:59.19 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32759 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/tutorials/: delete tutorials - will rename to articles |
| 04:16.12 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32760 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (131 files in 18 dirs): Add books and articles to docbook |
| 04:18.44 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32761 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Oh, yeah - configure.ac probably wants to know where the make files are... |
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| 13:45.50 | ``Erik | waves at claymore O.o |
| 13:46.41 | claymore | hai |
| 13:49.49 | ``Erik | 'sarah palin sez "terminators go away please" 2008' <-- some odd crap in webcomics these days |
| 13:50.38 | pechos_muchos | ``Erik: how big are they? |
| 13:54.57 | ``Erik | huh? how big are what? O.o |
| 13:55.22 | pechos_muchos | the waves at claymore |
| 13:55.31 | claymore | Well thats rather personal :) |
| 13:55.45 | pechos_muchos | and what kind of break is at claymore? |
| 13:55.49 | ``Erik | oh, those, think bowling balls, but bigger |
| 13:55.51 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:56.26 | pechos_muchos | that needs a longboard |
| 13:56.49 | ``Erik | (it's really not that cool, I mean, custom chairs for everything, custom pants, have to waddle like a cowboy...) |
| 13:56.58 | ``Erik | ah, it's karel :D |
| 13:57.43 | ``Erik | crap, m eeting time |
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| 15:00.21 | claymore | 'To sum up why mankind will never achieve its full potential, in one word: Meetings" - Dave Barry |
| 15:11.25 | PrezKennedy | wants to call a meeting of all the world's politicans and lawyers -- on the moon, then blow it up |
| 15:21.56 | claymore | but then, that's no moon... |
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| 15:48.54 | claymore | yawns. |
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| 16:37.24 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r32764 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/bot_dump.c: Fixed vertex indices in face records. Vertex indices start with 1 and are global in file scope (i.e. they aren't local to the group). |
| 16:57.13 | brlcad | woot, claymore joins the insanity |
| 17:10.25 | claymore | brought my white 'love myself' jacket too. |
| 17:35.31 | ``Erik | O.o whoa whoa, tmi there |
| 17:36.24 | claymore | denial ain't just thre river in Egypt :D |
| 17:37.09 | ``Erik | that's gotta be a phrase very ingrained in the queers on military boats, my dad used to say that all the time |
| 17:38.39 | claymore | They teach it in Boot during the Don't ask Don't Tell training. Its right after the 'Good game' asspat practice. ;) |
| 17:39.08 | ``Erik | reminds me of my 'football is gay' joke rant O.o |
| 17:39.41 | ``Erik | a bunch of men in spandex, groping a misshapen ball, laying ontop of eachother and slapping eachothers asses, then taking a big communal shower... ggggaaaayyyyy :D *duck* |
| 17:40.32 | claymore | ...and making WAY more money than we could ever hope to make... all for playing a game. |
| 17:40.43 | ``Erik | yeah... that' sgay. |
| 17:40.46 | ``Erik | :D |
| 17:41.47 | ``Erik | damnit, I broke smurfette of using the word gay like that, and there I go doing it *sigh* :D |
| 17:42.24 | claymore | ...so, hypocrite is applicable here then? |
| 17:42.40 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32765 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: daniel fixed a memory leak in all of the database processing tools that create geometry as there was an avs not getting released. |
| 17:42.42 | ``Erik | the crite-iest |
| 17:42.56 | ``Erik | I, uh, did it for the comedy! |
| 17:43.47 | ``Erik | so, wait, is 33 called off? |
| 17:45.47 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32766 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_inmem.c: remove dead code |
| 17:48.56 | ``Erik | is boggled that he came back to lunch broke, must've had the queues clicking just right |
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| 18:17.54 | iandaletter | Have someone built it with Open Cascade support? |
| 18:27.01 | iandaletter | ``Erik: I have brl-cad working, but I've not found a way to export geometry as e.g. IGES. Do I need e.g. to build BRL-CAD with Open Cascade support? |
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| 18:36.19 | ``Erik | there are a number of g-* files in the bin/ directory, that is how we 'export' |
| 18:36.35 | ``Erik | not all formats are supported (I think iges is 'import only') |
| 18:36.53 | brlcad | iandaletter: building brl-cad "with open cascade support" makes no sense -- we have absolutely nothing to do with open cascade |
| 18:37.12 | brlcad | we have our own iges importer and exporter |
| 18:44.09 | iandaletter | ok, I just try to export it into gmsh www.geuz.org/gmsh/ |
| 18:44.31 | iandaletter | i will see thru the directories, thanks! |
| 18:46.10 | brlcad | iandaletter: what is it you're trying to do? |
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| 18:58.19 | iandaletter | Well, I used ANSYS, but now I spent some time to www.impact.sourceforge.net - and soon I will download www.code-aster.org I create geometry as e.g. spindle, then well... "to better endure pulse loads" |
| 18:59.31 | ``Erik | really doesn't wanna hear about anyone pulsing their spindle for a load O.o *duck* |
| 19:05.25 | iandaletter | ok |
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| 21:06.11 | iandaletter | ...but i can import 2D-IGES and revolve it? |
| 21:06.38 | brlcad | iandaletter: you'll need the very latest sources |
| 21:06.46 | brlcad | and it depends |
| 21:06.59 | brlcad | revolves only work with sketch objects |
| 21:07.12 | brlcad | I don't recall if a 2D IGES will import as a sketch |
| 21:07.26 | brlcad | I think it may just ignore non-solid IGES entities |
| 21:07.48 | brlcad | ah, no -- it does bring them in |
| 21:08.03 | brlcad | but don't know if it'll bring them in as an nmg (which can't be revolved) or as a sketch |
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| 21:08.14 | brlcad | dxf-g will import as a sketch |
| 21:09.07 | brlcad | then you can create a revolve object using that sketch (which presently only works for arcs/curves and line entities, not splines) |
| 21:09.44 | brlcad | does the unthinkable ..... |
| 21:12.10 | iandaletter | ok ... We, "constructors" has no doubts: just a solution can be different. Nevermind. What if I have 7.10 version for 32-bit i386? is it old? It seems, never versions are 64-bits ones? |
| 21:12.42 | iandaletter | and why don't you sleep? Or it's only an evening? |
| 21:12.46 | brlcad | that's pretty old |
| 21:13.05 | brlcad | I'd suggest a 7.12, but it should be fine depending on what you're doing |
| 21:13.10 | brlcad | there are no revolves in 7.10 |
| 21:13.19 | brlcad | they're brand new in .12 |
| 21:13.30 | brlcad | and sleeping sucks |
| 21:14.36 | brlcad | there's plenty of time to sleep when you're dead |
| 21:14.46 | iandaletter | ok... well... I know revolves only from AutoCAD... How can I "extrude" an orthogonal view into dxf to be able to edit it in e.g. QCAD? |
| 21:15.34 | iandaletter | It seems, ProEngineer has a feature to draw allthe dimensions... I will wait for such a feature in brl-cad... |
| 21:16.25 | iandaletter | i meant autamatically draw it... |
| 21:18.12 | brlcad | i don't know if it's only dxf, I said I don't know how 2D iges import |
| 21:18.20 | brlcad | it'd be a quick test for you to figure that out |
| 21:19.33 | iandaletter | no, i mean - what if i have 3D model - and i need a drawing? can i create orthogonal view? And edit this view in other programs (add dimensions and so on)? |
| 21:28.34 | iandaletter | BRL-CAD cold have a features for meshing - splitting geometry down to finite elements. The only problems are mesh is needed to be refined at e.g. certain borders as a holes and e.g. outer edges. well... free mesher www.geuz.org/gmsh/ 'weights' whole 20 mb - and it is primarily a mesher. |
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| 21:45.50 | louipc | brl-cad has no drafting features |
| 21:48.32 | iandaletter | well... i need no an fotorealistic images... it seems, 2D Qcad can import 3D dxf - if it is an orthigonal view - it is almost a drawing... uh... |
| 21:49.04 | brlcad | louipc: not strictly true, they're just really weak from an editing stand-point |
| 21:49.28 | brlcad | the sketch primitive supports many/most of the basic representation requirements for drafting purposes |
| 21:49.58 | brlcad | the rtedge renderer produces drafting-style hidden-line drawings, just without annotation/dimension details |
| 21:50.05 | louipc | yeah but you'd have to do it all manually |
| 21:50.11 | louipc | hahh |
| 21:50.38 | brlcad | iandaletter: are you a coder? |
| 21:50.50 | brlcad | if you are, you're welcome to help make things better ;) |
| 21:50.59 | brlcad | even if you're not, you're welcome to help make things better! |
| 21:51.00 | iandaletter | my www.pastime-one.livejournal.com |
| 21:51.07 | louipc | hehe |
| 21:51.25 | brlcad | iandaletter: that's a 404 |
| 21:51.26 | louipc | iandaletter: page not found |
| 21:51.33 | brlcad | iandaletter: you in .ru ? |
| 21:51.51 | brlcad | tries to infer/decipher the language disconnect |
| 21:52.15 | brlcad | ahh, louipc just remove the www. |
| 21:52.40 | iandaletter | brlcad: I must say I discuss brlcad when I do not know even whole commands... It's at firs time with me... I'm even a bit too responsible... |
| 21:53.01 | brlcad | understandable |
| 21:53.44 | iandaletter | http://pastime-one.livejournal.com/ graduate mech equipm designer |
| 21:54.10 | brlcad | iandaletter: wth is "q-smth" :) |
| 21:54.45 | iandaletter | probably, q-iges ? I don't know ;) |
| 21:54.50 | louipc | maybe he meant g-*? |
| 21:54.51 | brlcad | I think you maybe meant g-iges but I have no idea how you got that from q-smth is wierd :) |
| 21:55.02 | brlcad | yeah, g-* are the various exporters |
| 21:55.18 | *** join/#brlcad Ralith (n=ralith@216.162.199.202) |
| 21:56.05 | brlcad | g-acad g-dxf g-euclid1 g-jack g-nmg g-off g-stl g-var g-x3d g-adrt g-euclid g-iges g-nff g-obj g-shell.rect g-tankill g-vrml |
| 21:56.23 | brlcad | howdy Ralith |
| 21:56.47 | Ralith | hey |
| 21:56.57 | Ralith | that is a lot of conversions. |
| 21:57.21 | brlcad | not enough though |
| 21:57.39 | Ralith | how many is enough? |
| 21:58.23 | brlcad | 64k should be more than plenty |
| 21:58.40 | Ralith | lol |
| 21:58.43 | louipc | ha ha |
| 21:59.06 | louipc | g-solid_metal |
| 22:00.23 | Ralith | so I got an atmega644p the other day |
| 22:00.31 | Ralith | it's setting next to me blinking an LED in complicated ways. |
| 22:00.38 | Ralith | good fun. |
| 22:01.22 | louipc | maybe it's trying to communicate |
| 22:01.38 | Ralith | it is communicating "your program works" |
| 22:05.32 | clock_ | porting BRL-CAD to atmega644p? |
| 22:06.02 | clock_ | with LED as a 1x1 resolution graphical monochrome display? |
| 22:06.23 | Ralith | that sounds feasible. |
| 22:06.37 | clock_ | multipane supported *) |
| 22:06.50 | clock_ | * only as long as all 4 panes show the same picture |
| 22:10.50 | iandaletter | brlcad: what if i would use brl-cad on those tiny laptops as ones 250$$ cost? 800x480 pixels... uh? |
| 22:11.14 | brlcad | what if you do? |
| 22:11.27 | Ralith | iandaletter: that would be fine, I'm sure. |
| 22:11.31 | Ralith | raytracing would be slow. |
| 22:11.34 | iandaletter | yes, what if i would buy such a laptop? |
| 22:11.45 | Ralith | what's your question? |
| 22:12.01 | Ralith | if you bought such a laptop then you would have such a laptop. |
| 22:12.02 | clock_ | one laptop per child? |
| 22:12.32 | iandaletter | ok... but my words can be used on e.g. slow machine with relatively small screen resoulution as e.g. 1024x768 were right, yeah? |
| 22:13.08 | Ralith | your words? |
| 22:13.30 | Ralith | mged is not very resource intensive afaik, assuming you're not loading hugely complex models. |
| 22:13.35 | louipc | don't use that as your build machine |
| 22:13.41 | Ralith | yeah, compiling would suck too |
| 22:13.46 | iandaletter | well, yes, not mine ones... Those english words then :) |
| 22:14.29 | Ralith | you're not a native speaker; that explains a lot. |
| 22:14.34 | iandaletter | louipc: "build machine" - what do you mean? You mean complicated drawings? |
| 22:16.55 | iandaletter | ok... but old versions are available, right? and there are fullsupport in newer versions for*.g files, right? So... old machine can be used for e.g. old version of BRL-CAD, isn't it? |
| 22:17.37 | Ralith | new versions work fine on old machines |
| 22:18.14 | iandaletter | then it's ok |
| 22:19.05 | brlcad | iandaletter: brl-cad will run on *very* minimal hardware (you don't even need a display) |
| 22:19.22 | brlcad | it's just the more minimal it is, the smaller the database you'll be able to load |
| 22:19.34 | iandaletter | ok |
| 22:20.03 | brlcad | I think ever since tcl was integrated, that pushed our minimum memory footprint up to 20MB or something |
| 22:20.16 | iandaletter | i'm about rather single details, not about something huge as e.g. "a whole department" |
| 22:21.10 | Ralith | brlcad: aw, I guess I won't be able to port to the atmega after all :( |
| 22:26.30 | brlcad | Ralith: nah, it's possible |
| 22:26.37 | brlcad | entirely depends how it's compiled/linked |
| 22:26.44 | Ralith | hehe |
| 22:26.55 | Ralith | dreams of a microcontroller cluster |
| 22:28.32 | brlcad | dreams of himself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at him |
| 22:29.09 | iandaletter | wuhh... pickles in him... |
| 22:29.43 | Ralith | thinks brlcad might be hitting the caffine pretty hard |
| 22:30.57 | brlcad | chuckles at the reference to one of the best geek cult movies of all time |
| 22:31.25 | ``Erik | depends on how old of a machine, I don't think a vax11/780 with 4k ram cuts it anymore :( |
| 22:31.44 | ``Erik | er, 4m? *forgot* |
| 22:31.45 | brlcad | rt might run, but no mged |
| 22:32.15 | ``Erik | heh, justin and I used to joke about 'numa-pic' (PIC 16f88 style microcontrollers) |
| 22:32.37 | ``Erik | but then the naked women showed up *sigh* there went that plan |
| 22:39.11 | iandaletter | naked women usually love sporty guys with good hobbies as e.g me |
| 22:41.12 | brlcad | iandaletter: and money, can't forget money and power ;) |
| 22:42.50 | brlcad | runs and hides after doing something evil... |
| 22:42.56 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32768 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:42.56 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: [playing taps] yes, the time has finally come.. to deprecate jove. it's become |
| 22:42.56 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: a maintenance burden with a bug that actually corrupts (large) input files so |
| 22:42.56 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: it's time to encourage/require users to finally use a different editor, or at |
| 22:42.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: least let them know that we're not maintaining it any more. i've included a |
| 22:42.59 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: jove.emacs sample '.emacs' file that (supposedly, untested) provides jove |
| 22:43.01 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: bindings within emacs that should help folks migrate. old habits die hard, but |
| 22:43.32 | iandaletter | axissymmetry or axisymmetry? |
| 22:43.58 | brlcad | axis of symmetry? |
| 22:44.14 | brlcad | wow, what an appropriate revision ID for that commit |
| 22:44.51 | iandaletter | yes, as "axisymmetry analysis" |
| 22:45.23 | iandaletter | the word, its spelling - tell me, please... |
| 22:45.38 | brlcad | ~spell axisymmetry |
| 22:45.46 | brlcad | bah |
| 22:45.48 | brlcad | axisymmetry is right |
| 22:46.04 | brlcad | otherwise it's two words |
| 22:46.14 | iandaletter | ok |
| 22:46.35 | iandaletter | ~spell arquebus |
| 22:47.14 | iandaletter | ~spell harquebus |
| 22:47.29 | iandaletter | sorry |
| 22:47.52 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32769 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/geometree/GeometryBrowser.tcl: add a method so we can toggle debugging on and off on the geometry browser |
| 22:48.03 | brlcad | arquebus |
| 22:48.22 | brlcad | i think ibot only knows m-w recognized words or something |
| 23:01.52 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32770 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/geometree/GeometryBrowser.tcl: tighten the update hook to 3/6 seconds |
| 23:06.02 | iandaletter | ~spell tensometer |
| 23:31.44 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32771 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/geometree/GeometryBrowser.tcl: quote the debug |
| 23:36.25 | iandaletter | ~spell automatization |
| 23:42.02 | Ralith | iandaletter: automation |
| 23:56.00 | *** join/#brlcad Twingy (n=justin@74.92.144.217) |
| 23:56.55 | iandaletter | thanks, and what is a word for that "shafts" in blooming, which (shaft) crushes the metal? |
| 23:59.51 | iandaletter | cylinder... so trivial... |