| 00:08.50 | brlcad | ~seen calito |
| 00:08.59 | ibot | brlcad: i haven't seen 'calito' |
| 00:10.51 | starseeker | brlcad: I've got name just looking at the object name, and path looking at the whole path string |
| 00:11.10 | brlcad | yes, and? :) |
| 00:11.27 | starseeker | doesn't that mean path isn't out of place? |
| 00:11.29 | brlcad | like I said, I see the point .. but it's somewhat redundant |
| 00:11.48 | starseeker | -not -name and -not -path will do different things... |
| 00:11.56 | starseeker | well, it's easy enough to nuke |
| 00:13.00 | starseeker | Unless you know of any other features needed, it may be time to turn the focus to -exec |
| 00:15.01 | brlcad | something about -empty isn't sitting well with me |
| 00:15.05 | brlcad | it's not really very general |
| 00:15.30 | brlcad | but I can't think of why the general case would be needed atm or what exactly is so bothersome |
| 00:15.41 | starseeker | nods |
| 00:15.54 | starseeker | I think it actually addresses a bug request previously met with a tcl script |
| 00:16.26 | brlcad | it's fine, I mean find has it too |
| 00:16.33 | brlcad | it's just how it relates to primitives I think |
| 00:16.39 | brlcad | what is an empty primitive |
| 00:16.44 | starseeker | :-) |
| 00:17.10 | starseeker | got me |
| 00:17.16 | brlcad | actually somewhat well-defined for sketch, extrude, ebm, and dsp |
| 00:17.29 | brlcad | kinda |
| 00:17.51 | starseeker | you mean find sketch without data, or extrude without sketch, etc.? |
| 00:17.55 | brlcad | right |
| 00:17.59 | brlcad | maybe just always returns false |
| 00:18.13 | starseeker | I think that's what i do now |
| 00:18.21 | brlcad | really? |
| 00:18.28 | brlcad | i thought you just checked if tree == null |
| 00:18.35 | starseeker | yeah |
| 00:18.44 | brlcad | then it'd always return true ;) |
| 00:18.52 | starseeker | oh, you mean return false regardless of the -not option? |
| 00:19.01 | brlcad | hm? no |
| 00:19.21 | starseeker | right now, I check if the DIR_COMB flag is set before even trying to look for a tree |
| 00:19.26 | starseeker | so primitives always get ignored |
| 00:19.53 | brlcad | what does that mean wrt true/false? |
| 00:20.03 | starseeker | if primitive, false |
| 00:20.12 | starseeker | if combination with tree, false |
| 00:20.14 | brlcad | hm, oki |
| 00:20.18 | starseeker | if combination without tree, true |
| 00:20.43 | starseeker | so a -not -empty spews back a lot of primitives too - you need to add a -type comb to filter them out |
| 00:21.05 | brlcad | sure |
| 00:21.31 | starseeker | That's what tutorials are good for :-) |
| 00:21.48 | brlcad | what types did you end up implementing? |
| 00:21.53 | starseeker | not that you need one, but for the rest of us mortals out here :-) |
| 00:21.53 | brlcad | for -type |
| 00:22.16 | starseeker | erm... - all the primitive types, plus combination and region |
| 00:22.42 | brlcad | -type region ? |
| 00:23.02 | brlcad | and -type combination or something else? |
| 00:23.03 | starseeker | yes -type r or -type region get you the same thing |
| 00:23.07 | starseeker | yep |
| 00:23.10 | brlcad | k |
| 00:23.18 | starseeker | -type comb and -type combination |
| 00:23.25 | brlcad | -type c ? |
| 00:23.27 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:23.30 | starseeker | probably should |
| 00:23.49 | starseeker | saves on typing |
| 00:23.55 | starseeker | fires up vim... |
| 00:25.39 | brlcad | there needs to be a way to get a list of objects at all four levels |
| 00:25.55 | brlcad | you've got at least two (region, primitives) |
| 00:26.06 | brlcad | how can the user get the other two? |
| 00:26.12 | starseeker | combination and assembly? |
| 00:26.33 | brlcad | combination == !primitive |
| 00:26.44 | starseeker | right |
| 00:26.54 | brlcad | which would be another useful one to have |
| 00:27.10 | starseeker | -type comb doesn't do it? |
| 00:27.11 | brlcad | -type primitive|prim|p |
| 00:27.30 | starseeker | oh, a general primitive type match? |
| 00:27.36 | brlcad | -type comb gets everything that's not a primitive, that's too much |
| 00:27.43 | brlcad | that's three levels |
| 00:28.06 | starseeker | actually, comb doesn't get regions |
| 00:28.14 | starseeker | at least not the way I've got it set up |
| 00:28.24 | brlcad | hm, that's no good :) |
| 00:28.33 | brlcad | regions are combinations |
| 00:29.16 | starseeker | right, but I was assuming at the user level if they want the set of all combinations they can do -type comb -and -type reg |
| 00:29.37 | brlcad | i mean you could add -type assembly|a|group|g to get the topmost level |
| 00:29.58 | brlcad | yeah, no .. don't do that |
| 00:30.05 | brlcad | it starts screwing with the terminology |
| 00:31.11 | brlcad | all the other commands and docs at least try to keep it clear that regions are combinations, |
| 00:31.20 | brlcad | I would entirely expect a -type option to return them |
| 00:31.31 | starseeker | ok |
| 00:32.00 | brlcad | unless you named them nrc's or something, but then it's still ambiguous as to what you do about the third level (combinations below the region level) |
| 00:32.18 | starseeker | I'll switch it - it's easy enough to do -type comb -not -type reg |
| 00:32.58 | starseeker | awareness of where combinations are relative to regions is something else again |
| 00:33.00 | brlcad | hm, won't that get levels 1 and 3 |
| 00:33.09 | brlcad | or just 1? |
| 00:33.17 | brlcad | there's a good case for either |
| 00:33.38 | starseeker | would get you 1 and 3 |
| 00:34.05 | starseeker | anything else requires awareness of position in tree depth relative to a region, and right now I don't have that |
| 00:34.29 | brlcad | k |
| 00:34.57 | brlcad | actually if you add a -type assembly|a option, you probably don't need the latter for level 3 |
| 00:35.26 | brlcad | since you can get level three with a double search once you have exec |
| 00:35.40 | starseeker | right - combinations that are not assemblies would have to be the other group |
| 00:36.00 | brlcad | oh, right .. just use the boolean |
| 00:36.09 | brlcad | dont' even need a double search |
| 00:36.39 | starseeker | -type comb -not -type region -not -type assembly |
| 00:36.42 | brlcad | i was thinking something like: search . -type r -exec search {} -not -type p |
| 00:36.58 | starseeker | that would work too, once exec is running |
| 00:37.27 | starseeker | checking for assembly will take a bit of logic, but I think I've got it in namegen somewhere |
| 00:37.56 | starseeker | let me fix combinations to report regions. |
| 00:38.44 | brlcad | also should work, -not -type a -not -type r -not -type p |
| 00:40.49 | starseeker | brlcad: Know what happened to CIA? |
| 00:43.46 | starseeker | OK. So we can get all primitives with search -not -type comb |
| 00:43.48 | brlcad | kicks CIA-4 |
| 00:43.48 | CIA-4 | ow |
| 00:44.05 | starseeker | don't tell me my commit didn't go through... |
| 00:44.10 | brlcad | it did |
| 00:44.17 | brlcad | you're not on the commits list? |
| 00:44.34 | starseeker | Get all regions with search -type reg |
| 00:45.04 | starseeker | Get all combinations above and below the region level with search -type comb ! -type reg |
| 00:45.13 | starseeker | Yep, assembly will do it |
| 00:45.19 | starseeker | hunts up namegen... |
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| 00:47.34 | starseeker | brlcad: will db_functree give me everything below the tree if I supply it a dp, or do I need to walk the tree? |
| 00:48.37 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 00:49.05 | brlcad | it will call the comb or prim callback |
| 00:51.22 | starseeker | right, but for an assembly check I need to know if any of the combinations below the target combination are regions |
| 00:53.05 | brlcad | hm, i've implemented that before somewhere ..... |
| 00:53.38 | brlcad | ouch.. lap top hot |
| 00:53.57 | brlcad | importing half a million points into the point primitive is taking .. a while |
| 00:55.06 | starseeker | ow |
| 00:55.20 | starseeker | IO limited, or just lack of optimization? |
| 00:55.53 | brlcad | not i/o |
| 00:56.31 | brlcad | probably a non-linear cost in there somewhere |
| 00:59.27 | brlcad | mm, actually, looks like it's maybe just horribly inefficient command-line processing |
| 01:04.09 | brlcad | heh, glob_compat_mode expansion |
| 01:06.30 | starseeker | ~lart glob_compat_mode expasion |
| 01:06.30 | ibot | strangles glob_compat_mode expasion with a 9-pole serial cable |
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| 01:08.08 | brlcad | ahh, and that'd be the N^2 |
| 01:08.30 | brlcad | my input point data set is one point per line |
| 01:09.18 | brlcad | it's using the "i need more" mode in mged for the 'in' command |
| 01:09.39 | brlcad | so then for every point, it scans the entire previous resulting input thusfar for possible expansion |
| 01:09.54 | brlcad | instead of just the portion being added |
| 01:10.01 | brlcad | because of where that check actually occurs |
| 01:11.08 | brlcad | so after about a half-hour, it's not even halfway done |
| 01:12.42 | brlcad | tries without globbing and without incremental command input |
| 01:13.03 | starseeker | owowow |
| 01:26.28 | brlcad | 298 registered mged commands and only 239 listed through the help system |
| 01:26.49 | brlcad | that sucks |
| 01:27.01 | brlcad | 59 with absolutely no documentation |
| 01:27.56 | brlcad | wants to get mged's total command count down to less than 200 |
| 01:28.45 | brlcad | eventually getting to less than 100 |
| 01:29.32 | starseeker | well, search may help a bit there |
| 01:30.20 | brlcad | a little bit |
| 01:31.15 | brlcad | wow, some commands have help, exist, and are *not* registered |
| 01:31.30 | Ralith | O.o |
| 01:31.31 | brlcad | gets the total "real" command count |
| 01:33.40 | brlcad | 324 commands total |
| 01:34.49 | starseeker | THINKS he has an assembly type check |
| 01:34.51 | brlcad | so 85 are undocumented |
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| 01:37.42 | starseeker | commits |
| 01:38.58 | starseeker | That was suspiciously easy |
| 01:39.57 | starseeker | brlcad: Ok, modulo bugs, check |
| 01:42.59 | starseeker | brlcad: Does the command count reduction mean I get to merge the sed and oed commands? :-) |
| 01:44.01 | starseeker | needs to head home now |
| 01:44.51 | brlcad | they're a prime candidate |
| 01:53.51 | brlcad | Aaaaaannnnd.. kerrash |
| 01:53.58 | brlcad | pnts_in failure |
| 01:57.13 | starseeker | ow |
| 02:03.58 | starseeker | you're laptop is going to go on strike ;-) |
| 02:04.01 | starseeker | er your |
| 02:04.08 | starseeker | slaps self awake |
| 02:23.02 | brlcad | ponders a workout now that he knows he's not got to wake up so early |
| 02:24.53 | brlcad | ~starseeker++ |
| 03:21.48 | prasad_ | ahh still at work |
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| 10:53.41 | mafm | hi |
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| 16:09.02 | brlcad | pokes CIA-4 |
| 16:09.09 | brlcad | hey mafm |
| 16:09.14 | brlcad | get my messages? |
| 16:12.31 | mafm | brlcad: which one, the one of the code? |
| 16:12.39 | brlcad | about uploading your code |
| 16:12.49 | mafm | yup, I already did |
| 16:12.52 | brlcad | ah, great |
| 16:13.37 | mafm | there are no more requirements for google, I think |
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| 16:32.00 | mafm | brlcad: did you test g3d yet? |
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| 18:11.32 | brlcad | mafm: yep! |
| 18:11.37 | brlcad | looking great |
| 18:11.46 | brlcad | took a little finagling, it was a long while back |
| 18:12.48 | mafm | :) |
| 18:12.59 | mafm | glad that you like it |
| 18:13.26 | mafm | so we should talk some day about how to continue |
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| 18:39.37 | brlcad | absolutely |
| 18:40.03 | brlcad | i mean, I think the next step is to do full libged integration -- it'll be this week probably that the command wrapper is finished |
| 18:40.15 | brlcad | letting you run pretty much any mged command |
| 18:41.17 | brlcad | the next step would then be more gui work to make it look nice, fix some of the usability patterns |
| 18:50.25 | mafm | I see |
| 18:50.38 | mafm | is anybody going to start working on it immediately? |
| 18:51.29 | brlcad | what is "it"? |
| 18:51.32 | brlcad | this task, yes |
| 18:51.47 | mafm | on g3d |
| 18:51.49 | mafm | who? |
| 18:52.07 | brlcad | me, bob, and now starseeker have been working on libged quite a bit |
| 18:52.14 | brlcad | not g3d directly |
| 18:52.26 | brlcad | it needs libged, so the efforts been there first |
| 18:54.01 | mafm | is there any plan at all to have other ppl working on g3d in the next few weeks? |
| 18:55.20 | mafm | I have to travel to Turkey for about a week, and then I was planning to have a bit of holidays if everything goes Ok |
| 18:56.02 | brlcad | I doubt it, honestly there is about two months of concerted effort remaining on libged to complete it |
| 18:56.27 | mafm | right |
| 18:56.40 | mafm | otherwise I could start talking with the people to coordinate a bit |
| 18:57.34 | mafm | btw, Ralith isn't coding AFAIK, I guess that he needs some motivation, time, or something |
| 19:26.03 | brlcad | yeah, ebb and flow |
| 19:26.18 | brlcad | been a really busy summer in many respects |
| 19:32.29 | mafm | :) |
| 19:32.34 | mafm | ok, so I go for today |
| 19:32.37 | mafm | g'night |
| 19:33.20 | brlcad | cya! |
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