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| 07:55.27 | Defcon | yeah |
| 07:55.45 | Defcon | yesterday i did my first C console app: "Hello World" |
| 07:56.11 | Defcon | so now it's time to make my own standalone multi process webserver |
| 07:56.15 | Defcon | :) |
| 07:56.38 | yukonbob | Defcon: let's see your code!!!1 |
| 07:56.48 | Defcon | hello world? |
| 07:56.52 | yukonbob | yup |
| 07:57.00 | Defcon | k |
| 07:57.18 | Defcon | _tprintf(_T("Hello world\n")); |
| 07:57.22 | yukonbob | have you thought of what license you're going to release it under? |
| 07:57.39 | Defcon | or |
| 07:57.40 | Defcon | cout << "Hello world\n"; |
| 07:57.42 | yukonbob | ?C |
| 07:57.45 | Defcon | gpl? |
| 07:57.51 | yukonbob | that's C++ |
| 07:57.56 | Defcon | yeah |
| 07:58.02 | yukonbob | C++ != C |
| 07:58.07 | Defcon | i have no C compiler at home |
| 07:58.16 | Defcon | *work |
| 07:58.17 | yukonbob | well, C++ ought to be a superset of C |
| 07:58.33 | Defcon | yeah i thought so |
| 08:00.36 | yukonbob | you need #include <stdio>, #include <stdlib> int main (int argc, char **argv) {printf ("Hello, whirled!\n"); exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);} |
| 08:01.01 | yukonbob | ^--- obviously not formatted properly |
| 08:05.57 | alex_joni | yukonbob: you just need '\' there, and it's formatted about right :D |
| 08:06.27 | yukonbob | alex_joni: will the CPP choke on the includes, or is that what you're saying the \ is for? |
| 08:07.13 | Defcon | #include "stdafx.h" |
| 08:07.13 | Defcon | #include "consoleCodeTry.h" |
| 08:07.13 | Defcon | #ifdef _DEBUG |
| 08:07.13 | Defcon | #define new DEBUG_NEW |
| 08:07.13 | Defcon | #endif |
| 08:07.14 | Defcon | CWinApp theApp; |
| 08:07.16 | Defcon | using namespace std; |
| 08:07.18 | Defcon | int _tmain(int argc, TCHAR* argv[], TCHAR* envp[]) |
| 08:07.20 | Defcon | { |
| 08:07.22 | Defcon | int nRetCode = 0; |
| 08:07.24 | Defcon | if (!AfxWinInit(::GetModuleHandle(NULL), NULL, ::GetCommandLine(), 0)) |
| 08:07.26 | Defcon | { |
| 08:07.28 | Defcon | _tprintf(_T("Fatal Error: MFC initialization failed\n")); |
| 08:07.30 | Defcon | nRetCode = 1; |
| 08:07.32 | Defcon | } |
| 08:07.34 | Defcon | else |
| 08:07.34 | yukonbob | arg!!!! |
| 08:07.36 | Defcon | { |
| 08:07.38 | Defcon | _tprintf(_T("Hello world\n")); |
| 08:07.40 | Defcon | system("PAUSE"); |
| 08:07.42 | Defcon | } |
| 08:07.44 | Defcon | return nRetCode; |
| 08:07.46 | Defcon | } |
| 08:07.48 | Defcon | that is everything |
| 08:07.50 | Defcon | whatwhatWHAT? |
| 08:07.52 | yukonbob | ~pastebin |
| 08:07.55 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 08:08.08 | Defcon | hmm |
| 08:08.10 | Defcon | nice |
| 08:08.18 | alex_joni | yukonbob: it will choke |
| 08:08.41 | Defcon | http://pastebin.com/m68797761 |
| 08:08.52 | Defcon | lol alex |
| 08:11.12 | Defcon | hmmm |
| 08:11.22 | Defcon | so i should throw C++ away |
| 08:11.44 | yukonbob | oh -- that's up to you.. |
| 08:12.02 | Defcon | indeed it is |
| 08:12.08 | Defcon | but.. |
| 08:12.10 | yukonbob | apparently is quite a task to learn, though (might want to just use C to start) |
| 08:12.24 | Defcon | that's what i wanted to do :) |
| 08:12.27 | Defcon | learn C |
| 08:12.37 | yukonbob | ...and it depends, is this required for anything, or self-improvement, or ?? |
| 08:12.50 | Defcon | but the C++ is the only C like compiler i have atm |
| 08:13.06 | Defcon | self-improvement mostly |
| 08:13.23 | yukonbob | does c++ seem interesting to you? |
| 08:13.39 | yukonbob | heh |
| 08:13.42 | Axman6 | *cough* |
| 08:13.42 | Defcon | no |
| 08:13.56 | yukonbob | :? -- so why are you studying it |
| 08:14.02 | Defcon | it seems like a big pile of gibberisch to me |
| 08:14.08 | Defcon | because i have this: http://wazig.be/%5Fev/dl/ectroverse_source.zip |
| 08:14.15 | Defcon | Maloeran's ev |
| 08:14.28 | Defcon | and i want to be able to understand it |
| 08:14.34 | Defcon | so i can edit it |
| 08:14.41 | Defcon | to make it bugfree and stuff |
| 08:14.44 | yukonbob | what is that thing you posted? |
| 08:15.07 | Defcon | a webbased C game made by Maloeran |
| 08:15.18 | Defcon | with standalone webserver |
| 08:15.18 | yukonbob | C, or C++ |
| 08:15.24 | Defcon | C |
| 08:15.47 | Defcon | [09:12:49] <Defcon> but the C++ is the only C like compiler i have atm |
| 08:16.35 | Defcon | that's why |
| 08:16.55 | yukonbob | try raw C in it and see what happens |
| 08:17.08 | Defcon | .. |
| 08:17.15 | Defcon | make me an hello world :) |
| 08:17.23 | yukonbob | use the one I posted ;) |
| 08:17.34 | Defcon | i have no idea what the diff is between C and C++ |
| 08:17.35 | Defcon | ah |
| 08:17.35 | Defcon | k |
| 08:18.26 | Defcon | Error1fatal error C1010: unexpected end of file while looking for precompiled header. Did you forget to add '#include "stdafx.h"' to your source?c:\wbe\wazigbe\webroot\_dev\consolecodetry\consolecodetry\consolecodetry.cpp7 |
| 08:18.30 | Defcon | hmm |
| 08:19.11 | yukonbob | might require flags for your compiler? (what compiler are you using?) |
| 08:19.27 | Defcon | C++ |
| 08:19.33 | Defcon | Visual Studio 2005 |
| 08:21.23 | alex_joni | it's <stdafx.h> not "stdafx.h" |
| 08:21.35 | Defcon | the "" work |
| 08:21.38 | alex_joni | default system headers are always between "<>" |
| 08:21.54 | Defcon | k |
| 08:22.14 | Defcon | system(PAUSE); |
| 08:22.22 | Defcon | what was the right syntax of this? |
| 08:22.32 | Defcon | system("PAUSE"); ? |
| 08:22.33 | alex_joni | Defcon: giyf :) |
| 08:22.40 | Defcon | giyf? |
| 08:22.47 | Defcon | :) |
| 08:22.52 | yukonbob | ciao alex_joni |
| 08:22.56 | yukonbob | ciao Defcon |
| 08:23.07 | alex_joni | http://www.google.com/search?q=giyf |
| 08:23.31 | Defcon | cya |
| 08:23.39 | Defcon | ah |
| 08:23.39 | Defcon | haha |
| 08:23.40 | Defcon | :à |
| 08:23.41 | Defcon | :) |
| 08:23.45 | Defcon | anyway |
| 08:23.46 | Defcon | http://pastebin.com/m5f1af3cb |
| 08:23.50 | Defcon | that works |
| 08:23.50 | Defcon | :) |
| 08:24.57 | Defcon | man i should rtfm |
| 08:25.54 | yukonbob | get "The C Programming Language" |
| 08:26.30 | alex_joni | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1568849397/ref=cm_cr_pr_orig_subj |
| 08:26.36 | alex_joni | Defcon: no offense ;) |
| 08:27.23 | yukonbob | http://www.amazon.ca/Programming-Language-Brian-W-Kernighan/dp/0131103628/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197620770&sr=8-1 |
| 08:29.16 | yukonbob | then ditch Windows, get a BSD box and Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment, and you're set ;) |
| 08:29.31 | yukonbob | http://www.amazon.ca/Advanced-Programming-UNIX-R-Environment/dp/0201433079/ref=pd_bowtega_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197620925&sr=1-1 |
| 08:30.42 | yukonbob | ugh -- must... tear ... self... away from ... books!! |
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| 08:46.38 | Defcon | yeah tnx alex_joni & yukonbob |
| 08:46.49 | Defcon | that would be great to begin with :) |
| 08:48.28 | Defcon | <add key="AppVersion" value="1.0.1 beta" /> |
| 08:48.31 | Defcon | iep |
| 08:48.37 | Defcon | soz wrong window |
| 08:58.21 | Z80-Boy | 5/win 11 |
| 09:01.10 | Defcon | ..? |
| 09:05.49 | Z80-Boy | 5/win 11 means "I tried to switch the IRC windows but made a typo during that" |
| 09:07.50 | Defcon | ah |
| 09:07.51 | Defcon | ok |
| 09:07.54 | Defcon | good to know |
| 09:39.17 | alex_joni | Z80-Boy: irssi? |
| 09:40.53 | Defcon | Irssi - The client of the future |
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| 10:08.37 | brlcad | ow |
| 10:50.06 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/temp.c: clean up the list of temp directories that we try to identify so they can all be treated/tested the same in a loop. the interface should be pretty solid now. |
| 11:04.25 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/temp.c: document the bu_temp_file() parameters, don't truncate the filename if it won't fit. |
| 11:04.55 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/bu.h: declare the two parameters to bu_temp_file() for storing the filename |
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| 11:39.53 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/temp.c: in order for the filename to be useful, we need to not automatically unlink it right after it's opened -- add it to the closure linked list and unlink the file later during application exit. |
| 11:46.09 | brlcad | heh, http://youtube.com/watch?v=ywqu_8RIDvU |
| 11:49.12 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: I finally managed to get the audio/video in sync - do you want to see a preview of the video? |
| 11:49.19 | brlcad | sure |
| 11:49.20 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: it has a BRL-CAD logo in the end titles |
| 11:49.52 | brlcad | fire away |
| 11:50.11 | brlcad | is this the result of your 336 line'd function? |
| 11:52.20 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: I'll upload it... 25MB - isn't it too much? |
| 11:53.07 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: that was some unrelated function |
| 11:53.55 | brlcad | not at all |
| 11:54.46 | brlcad | heh, you can upload almost as much as you like *especially* when it's brl-cad related ;) |
| 11:55.14 | brlcad | bandwidth is not a concern in the least, and as soon as the migration is completed, there will be more disk space to spare too |
| 11:55.15 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: what's interesting is the video is generated completely automatically - if you change a detail in some model and type "make", those 25MB of video will be automatically updated |
| 11:55.35 | Z80-Boy | That's probably a different approach than is used in the world of Windows GUI applications. |
| 11:55.46 | Z80-Boy | That's a big advantage. |
| 11:56.19 | brlcad | be interesting to see your script(s)/process that generates the video too |
| 11:56.33 | Z80-Boy | hmm I wrote some custom C utilities for that |
| 11:56.58 | brlcad | yeah, i recall, your yuv converter |
| 11:57.16 | Z80-Boy | I also wrote a wave simulator for the title video effect |
| 11:57.25 | Z80-Boy | and a small program to scroll the end titles |
| 12:00.00 | kwizart | hello all! i'm testing brlcad on Fedora but i have a problem starting mged |
| 12:00.03 | kwizart | invalid command name "gui" |
| 12:00.03 | kwizart | MGED aborted. |
| 12:00.17 | kwizart | any tips ? |
| 12:00.22 | kwizart | display is set |
| 12:00.25 | Z80-Boy | kwizart: typing just "mged"? |
| 12:00.29 | kwizart | yes |
| 12:00.37 | Z80-Boy | kwizart: just compiled BRL-CAD? |
| 12:00.41 | kwizart | yes |
| 12:00.48 | kwizart | well 7.10.4 |
| 12:00.51 | Z80-Boy | kwizart: that shouldn't happen |
| 12:01.20 | brlcad | kwizart: hm, that usually means that tcl/tk initialization is messed up |
| 12:01.46 | brlcad | 'gui' is the first command |
| 12:02.05 | kwizart | maybe i need to set tcl/tk variable there aren't setted |
| 12:02.13 | brlcad | kwizart: how'd you compile |
| 12:02.32 | brlcad | there are lots of things that can go wrong during the install/compile -- I suspect you compiled against a system tcl? |
| 12:02.53 | kwizart | yes and it is 0.8.4 |
| 12:02.56 | kwizart | sh %{_libdir}/itclConfig.sh |
| 12:03.02 | kwizart | before configure |
| 12:03.08 | brlcad | things are still tricky getting mixtures of system-installed and non-system compilations working |
| 12:03.14 | brlcad | 0.8.4? |
| 12:03.16 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: still uploading and we're going to lunch... |
| 12:03.34 | kwizart | tcl-8.4.13-19.fc7 |
| 12:03.36 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: no problem, just post the link when it's ready and I'll get to it :) |
| 12:04.19 | brlcad | 8.4 can work, but it should have required some source edits.. |
| 12:04.38 | brlcad | kwizart: are you using system incrtcl too? |
| 12:04.47 | brlcad | more to the point, can you post your configure summary? |
| 12:06.00 | kwizart | cannot find incrtcl on yum maybe i miss this one ? |
| 12:06.31 | brlcad | first what's your summary? |
| 12:06.37 | brlcad | it'll say what it found and didn't find |
| 12:06.49 | brlcad | should be near the end of your config.log |
| 12:06.58 | brlcad | if it's no longer in your console history |
| 12:07.53 | brlcad | section in config.log is the second line that contains "BRL-CAD Release" |
| 12:08.06 | kwizart | onfigure: WARNING: Unable to link against a system Tkstub library |
| 12:08.54 | kwizart | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.54 | kwizart | ib64/brlcad --disable-rpath --enable-shared --disable-static --enable-64bit-build --enable-opennurbs-build --disable-tcl-build --disable-tk-build --disable-itcl-build --disable-iwidgets-build --disable-blt-build --disable-tkimg-build --disable-jove-build --with-x11 --with-opengl --with-sdl --with-python=/usr/bin/python --with-x --with-libs=-L/usr/lib64/itcl3.3/ -L/usr/lib64/itk3.3/ |
| 12:09.33 | brlcad | hmm, you've been trying the fedora build for a while, yes? |
| 12:09.42 | brlcad | i.e. we've had the talk about clobbering system libraries? :) |
| 12:09.52 | kwizart | http://pastebin.ca/815796 |
| 12:10.26 | kwizart | yes Build Date: ven 09 nov 2007 16:48:55 |
| 12:11.01 | brlcad | oh, nifty -fstack-protector |
| 12:11.04 | kwizart | And there is still some minor problem I would solve prior to officially start review for Fedora official repositories |
| 12:12.18 | kwizart | do you mind it can break thing? it is part of the "mandatory" CLAGS for Fedora every package have to use... |
| 12:12.33 | brlcad | fwiw, java sdl and python are *not* required -- there are interfaces that use them, but they should intently not be listed for any packager |
| 12:12.39 | kwizart | but in some case, it could be adjusted if it really breaks things |
| 12:13.04 | brlcad | you mean stack-protector? |
| 12:13.09 | kwizart | yes ? |
| 12:13.11 | brlcad | that should be fine |
| 12:13.52 | brlcad | we should come up clean -- if we don't, it's probably something very very recent that slipped in |
| 12:14.12 | brlcad | we've run all sorts of bounds, stack, and memory protectors/detectors/cleanups in the past |
| 12:16.29 | brlcad | i'm surprised you have the tcl init problem -- you do have it configured to use system tcl/tk/itcl/itk/iwidgets |
| 12:17.17 | brlcad | for what it's worth, you might do well to use --disable-all given how many --disable-*-build's you have :) |
| 12:17.54 | brlcad | (see INSTALL for details on the --disable-* flags and their aliases) |
| 12:18.24 | kwizart | i only have --enable-opennurbs-build \ but maybe I need to have it built alone then links to it... |
| 12:18.46 | kwizart | (if ever another FOSS can use it) |
| 12:18.47 | brlcad | you can leave that disabled for now |
| 12:19.04 | kwizart | ok |
| 12:19.08 | brlcad | that's for code under active development, it's not ready/used by production code yet |
| 12:19.17 | brlcad | just starting to integrate |
| 12:24.46 | kwizart | is this a problem ? configure:41521: WARNING: Unable to link against a system Tkstub library ? |
| 12:25.20 | kwizart | ah, found that configure:41533: checking for incrTcl library functionality |
| 12:25.21 | kwizart | yes |
| 12:25.54 | brlcad | yeah, if the system one didn't work, configure should have complained |
| 12:26.14 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/chgmodel.c: use bu_temp_file() instead of mktemp/mkstemp for generalized temp file management. fixes assumption that there's a /tmp and that we can write to C:\ on windows |
| 12:26.15 | brlcad | so they seem to work, just not finding the right tclcad_auto_path |
| 12:27.07 | brlcad | kwizart: I don't think the tkstub link warning is a problem -- it would have caused a build failure elsewhere if it was a problem -- and since the compile completed, that's not the problem |
| 12:27.12 | brlcad | run this: |
| 12:27.21 | brlcad | mged -c |
| 12:27.25 | brlcad | set auto_path |
| 12:27.35 | brlcad | what does that report after the set auto_path? |
| 12:28.02 | kwizart | /usr/lib /usr/share/tclscripts /usr/share/tclscripts/lib /usr/share/tclscripts/util /usr/share/tclscripts/mged /usr/share/tclscripts/geometree /usr/share/tclscripts/rtwizard /usr/share/tcl8.4 /usr/share /usr/lib64 |
| 12:28.29 | kwizart | /usr/share/tcl8.4 that one is wrong (checking) |
| 12:28.57 | kwizart | hum no it exist (but there is also a /usr/lib64/tcl8.4 |
| 12:34.08 | brlcad | it's okay if there are extra |
| 12:34.08 | brlcad | the one to check is /usr/share/tclscripts and /usr/share/tclscripts/mged |
| 12:34.08 | brlcad | is there a /usr/share/tclscripts/mged/openw.tcl ? |
| 12:34.08 | brlcad | (that's where the "gui" command is) |
| 12:35.04 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/mater.c: use bu_temp_file() instead of mktemp/mkstemp for better generalized temp file management. fixes assumption that there's a /tmp and that we can write to C:\ on windows and keeps track of the temp file better |
| 12:35.05 | brlcad | ouch |
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| 13:06.07 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/red.c: use bu_temp_file() instead of mktemp/mkstemp for better generalized temp file management. fixes directory assumptions and cleans up temp file creation some |
| 13:12.15 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/ (tedit.c utility1.c): more usage of bu_temp_file() instead of mktemp/mkstemp for better generalized temp file management. |
| 13:16.04 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/all.ogg |
| 13:16.32 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: I hope you can play Ogg Theora since the MPEG4 encoder misfits the sound to the picture |
| 13:21.01 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: it's a preview. There are still some anomalies but of a minor character. |
| 13:22.02 | Defcon | .ogg is music eejh |
| 13:22.30 | Z80-Boy | Defcon: also Theora, the video codec. |
| 13:23.19 | Defcon | ah |
| 13:23.23 | Defcon | that's stupid |
| 13:23.24 | Defcon | :) |
| 13:23.45 | Defcon | ppl should make unique file extensions |
| 13:24.59 | Z80-Boy | .ogg is unique. It's for the Ogg container format. |
| 13:25.56 | Defcon | yeah |
| 13:26.08 | Defcon | but it can contain both music & video |
| 13:26.15 | Defcon | or what? |
| 13:26.49 | Z80-Boy | It contains Theora video and Vorbis audio |
| 13:31.59 | Defcon | yes |
| 13:32.35 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/config_win.h: no longer need TMP_MAX_S or mktemp with the latest bu_temp_file() implementation |
| 13:33.04 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/raytrace.h: a_overlap isn't identical to a_multioverlap -- one too many struct partitions |
| 13:34.21 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/lgt/do_options.c: use bu_temp_file() for the batch file instead of assumping /tmp |
| 13:53.03 | CIA-42 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/bool.c: typo |
| 14:15.58 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: that's pretty cool, nice work |
| 14:16.46 | brlcad | interesting, quicktime actually did just fine decoding the file, whereas mplayer seems to presume it's audio-only |
| 14:17.58 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: thanks |
| 14:18.09 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: my mplayer can play it |
| 14:39.33 | ``Erik | brlcad, are you in today? we're doing korean... |
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| 14:49.49 | Defcon | "we're doing korean..." |
| 14:49.51 | Defcon | ? |
| 14:49.55 | Defcon | sounds dirty |
| 14:51.32 | Z80-Boy | How to cope with death? Behave in a way than on your death bed you can say to yourself "good that this man is already going to disappear from the face of the Earth" ;-) |
| 14:54.21 | ``Erik | you don't disappear, you just change roles.... "worm food" is a glorious duty! |
| 14:54.33 | Z80-Boy | you just turn into thousand worms |
| 14:54.44 | Z80-Boy | like my garbage grows little wings and starts to fly around the kitchen |
| 14:55.00 | Z80-Boy | thanks to the genetic code of drosophila melanogaster |
| 14:55.08 | Z80-Boy | fruit fly |
| 14:55.38 | Z80-Boy | do you think it's immoral to work for google when google does a censorship of search results in China? |
| 14:56.26 | alex_joni | Z80-Boy: only if you're chinese or a resident in china |
| 14:56.30 | ``Erik | no more than it is to use google... |
| 14:57.13 | ``Erik | hell, I think the us gov't is full of bunk and immorality, but I still work for 'em... I just try to do what I can to make things a little better where I can *shrug* :) |
| 14:58.27 | Z80-Boy | ``Erik: don't you get minus points for social skills if you talk like this about them? |
| 14:59.15 | ``Erik | mebbe |
| 14:59.19 | ``Erik | but, uh, I don't give a fuck |
| 14:59.19 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:59.20 | Z80-Boy | Google has headquarters in Mountain View |
| 14:59.30 | Z80-Boy | How far is it from there to the closest surf spot? |
| 14:59.43 | ``Erik | um, very close? the uhhh |
| 14:59.50 | Z80-Boy | That might make them less imooral :D |
| 14:59.58 | ``Erik | there's a famous beach like 20km west |
| 15:00.05 | Z80-Boy | 20km that's great :) |
| 15:00.11 | ``Erik | mebbe a little more |
| 15:00.13 | Z80-Boy | Santa Cruz? The Surf City? |
| 15:00.33 | Z80-Boy | 20km then censorship turns is a beacon of democracy |
| 15:00.50 | Z80-Boy | especially if they have nice waves peeling slanted to the beach |
| 15:00.54 | Z80-Boy | and good sandbanks :) |
| 15:00.59 | ``Erik | santa crus is like 20km south |
| 15:01.14 | ``Erik | just down highway 17 |
| 15:01.46 | ``Erik | erm, more than 20km, sorry |
| 15:01.57 | ``Erik | 35 miles, 55km |
| 15:02.06 | Z80-Boy | but the beach is 20km west? |
| 15:02.21 | Z80-Boy | And Santa Cruz there are skaters too |
| 15:02.37 | ``Erik | wow, google maps gives some lame directions |
| 15:02.52 | ``Erik | it looks like 20km "as the crow flies", but 55 by road, up through san mateo |
| 15:03.19 | ``Erik | and if you moved there, you'd probably get an apt between work and the beach, so ... :D |
| 15:03.25 | Z80-Boy | Whatever that's still fine |
| 15:03.30 | Z80-Boy | apt ==? |
| 15:03.38 | Z80-Boy | apartment! |
| 15:03.38 | ``Erik | apartment |
| 15:03.47 | Z80-Boy | No I would live in a surf hut |
| 15:03.59 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:03.59 | Z80-Boy | with 100mbps fibre optics |
| 15:04.40 | alex_joni | 10GiGE |
| 15:04.40 | ``Erik | I assume you'd work more than you'd surf, so I'd assume you'd live closer to mountain view than santa cruz, ... it might be hard to find a surf hut in silicon valley suburbia :D |
| 15:05.06 | Z80-Boy | I could type while waiting for a wave |
| 15:05.44 | ``Erik | heh, you should work at the google center in ireland :D catch some cold waves up there between beers ;) |
| 15:05.55 | Z80-Boy | catch some cold, period? |
| 15:06.13 | Z80-Boy | Mountain View is close to the San Francisco |
| 15:06.20 | Z80-Boy | That has an apparent advantage for me :) |
| 15:06.21 | ``Erik | yes, it's on the bay |
| 15:06.28 | Z80-Boy | gay bay |
| 15:06.42 | ``Erik | the san fagcisco bay, yes |
| 15:06.43 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 15:06.53 | Z80-Boy | lol |
| 15:09.59 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: do you think my video could be used as a demo video on the new brlcad web pages? |
| 15:22.32 | ``Erik | is it that one with just the plane fly-around? |
| 15:23.22 | ``Erik | there, uh, is something ummm, "tracker" or something, that allows bezier splines to be used as "paths" for animations, I THINK... O.o I noticed it in the clone code, d'no if it works, if it's what I think it is, or how to use it... :D |
| 15:25.33 | Z80-Boy | ``Erik: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/all.ogg no it's not plane fly-around |
| 15:26.36 | ``Erik | huh, I thought ogg was an audio format |
| 15:26.42 | ``Erik | the vorbis video was theora, I thought |
| 15:27.03 | Z80-Boy | the modern video players should be able to play it |
| 15:27.16 | ``Erik | or mebbe I'm backwards |
| 15:27.25 | Z80-Boy | I wanted to make it in MPEG4 but my encoder slips the audio and video against each other |
| 15:27.27 | ``Erik | mebbe ogg is the umbrella and vorbis is the audio component |
| 15:27.50 | Z80-Boy | ogg is the container vorbis audio and theora video |
| 15:28.08 | ``Erik | xiph needs a better "for retards" page, so folk like me can keep up :D |
| 15:28.48 | Z80-Boy | ``Erik: you mean "better ergonomy"? :) |
| 15:29.19 | Z80-Boy | I don't think one is a retard just because he doesn't want to spend unnecessary time on researching what should be written on the title page |
| 15:29.46 | ``Erik | well |
| 15:29.58 | Z80-Boy | I think it's their fault not yours ;-) |
| 15:30.05 | ``Erik | I did research the audio side when I was interested in writing an icecast/shoutcast streamer client... |
| 15:30.06 | ``Erik | :D |
| 15:30.17 | ``Erik | so I shoulda known that |
| 15:31.11 | Z80-Boy | Recent mplayer compiled having libtheora and libvorbis and libogg installed should play it |
| 15:31.17 | ``Erik | hrmmmmm, I have VLC, it plays it |
| 15:31.20 | Z80-Boy | I compiled a mplayer myself and it works with Theora fine |
| 15:31.21 | ``Erik | um |
| 15:31.23 | Z80-Boy | great! |
| 15:31.38 | ``Erik | have you thought about re-rendering those in perspective mode? |
| 15:31.46 | ``Erik | ortho looks weird animated |
| 15:31.47 | ``Erik | :) |
| 15:31.49 | Z80-Boy | should I? |
| 15:32.09 | Z80-Boy | It's just a matter of adding a parameter to the rt call isn't it? |
| 15:32.17 | ``Erik | yeah, like -p<fov> or something |
| 15:32.29 | Z80-Boy | what fov do you recommend? |
| 15:32.36 | Z80-Boy | Have you seen the brl-cad logo in the end titles? |
| 15:32.41 | ``Erik | also; you can set up the frame size to be non-square |
| 15:32.44 | ``Erik | no, I'm at 2:10 |
| 15:32.57 | Z80-Boy | 768x576? |
| 15:33.14 | ``Erik | you could do that size... :) |
| 15:33.31 | Z80-Boy | or 640x480 |
| 15:33.31 | ``Erik | typically, movies are 4:3 or 16:9, *shrug* :) |
| 15:33.58 | ``Erik | cool stuff |
| 15:34.13 | Z80-Boy | thanks |
| 15:34.39 | ``Erik | um, as far as fov, probably something in the 60-90 range |
| 15:34.40 | Z80-Boy | do you think it would be better to replace the black background with some impressive photos from Ronja? |
| 15:34.49 | Z80-Boy | Laser beams over roofs, welding sparks etc.? |
| 15:35.43 | Z80-Boy | A different background for each shot? |
| 15:38.54 | ``Erik | stupid intarweb |
| 15:39.06 | ``Erik | um, if the point is to show off the pieces, background images would just distract, no? |
| 15:39.23 | Z80-Boy | those internets! a satellite will fall upon us because of that and everything will be over! |
| 15:39.37 | Z80-Boy | maybe? |
| 15:40.02 | Z80-Boy | Or I thought about more neutral background images, like a picture of various cracks and spots of dirt on walls, curbs etc. |
| 15:40.15 | Z80-Boy | with a hand-scratched name of the component over it at the bottom or the top |
| 15:40.27 | Z80-Boy | this looks too introvertistick |
| 15:40.36 | Z80-Boy | too geeky |
| 15:40.47 | Z80-Boy | too organized |
| 15:40.50 | Z80-Boy | too intelligent |
| 15:41.00 | Z80-Boy | too boring, nerdy, ... ;-) |
| 15:41.03 | Z80-Boy | Don't you think? |
| 15:41.39 | ``Erik | *shrug* I d'no, I don't do visual art shtuff |
| 15:42.06 | Z80-Boy | I don't do either, but I want my video to look attractive :) |
| 15:42.45 | ``Erik | I have a friend that does freelance work on that kinda stuff, but I doubt you'd want to pay for help ;) *shrug* aint' my scene, though |
| 15:42.57 | Z80-Boy | No Ronja is for free |
| 15:43.53 | ``Erik | next time I talk to phil, I'll mention it *shrug* mebbe he'd to it for free to have something to put in his portfolio *shrug* |
| 15:45.24 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: I was thinking something along those lines (demo video on new site) |
| 15:45.58 | brlcad | ``Erik: tracker actually duplicates geometry along a spline path (like tank treads) |
| 15:46.15 | brlcad | there's a different anim_track tool for bezier animation paths |
| 15:46.27 | brlcad | prolly getting the two confused |
| 15:46.27 | ``Erik | oh, okie |
| 15:47.20 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: should I be extroverted and mix background using background RGB combo or do it properly and use the ray hit distance and write own C utility for that? :D |
| 15:47.31 | ``Erik | heh, how's the soup treatin' ya, dude? :> |
| 15:48.52 | brlcad | I've been eating pretty normal |
| 15:49.04 | brlcad | just slower and less |
| 15:49.18 | ``Erik | cool, which two did you get knocked out? both the tops? |
| 15:49.48 | Z80-Boy | Wohoo, Virgin Classic Rock playing Hendrix :) |
| 15:49.48 | brlcad | left side |
| 15:49.56 | brlcad | so I can still chew on right somewhat |
| 15:50.01 | ``Erik | think you could deal with korean? |
| 15:50.06 | brlcad | prolly not |
| 15:50.09 | ``Erik | aight |
| 15:50.26 | ``Erik | gonna do the other two in a week or two? |
| 15:50.31 | Z80-Boy | Is it true that Americans are more extroverted than the European? |
| 15:50.32 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: mix what with what? |
| 15:50.46 | brlcad | other two at end of Jan |
| 15:50.50 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: put a background on my rendered videos |
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| 15:58.40 | ``Erik | prasad, talked to mm this morning, he's still working on getting the data for his thesis all together... hasn't even written the thing yet :) |
| 16:00.39 | ``Erik | kebert xela. |
| 16:02.22 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: mm, i'd just use the background pixel value (that's part of why that 0,0,-1 exists, for blending/background detection) |
| 16:02.36 | brlcad | er, 0,0,1 |
| 16:03.32 | Z80-Boy | but if I have dark blue in my model, it gets dithered either into 0,0,0 or 0,0,2? |
| 16:03.50 | brlcad | dithered? |
| 16:03.54 | brlcad | you have something dithering? |
| 16:04.03 | Z80-Boy | whatever |
| 16:04.14 | Z80-Boy | how does background color from model color distinguished? |
| 16:04.15 | brlcad | i'd do the merge before building the animation |
| 16:04.55 | Z80-Boy | that's what I mean |
| 16:04.59 | Z80-Boy | rt and then do a merge |
| 16:05.09 | Z80-Boy | but what if a pixel in the model happens to raytrace to 0,0,1? |
| 16:05.22 | Z80-Boy | then I will have a little hole in the model? |
| 16:05.59 | brlcad | yes, that is conceivable, regardless of the background pixel color |
| 16:06.13 | brlcad | just the nature of reserving a value for the mask, since there is no alpha channel |
| 16:06.48 | brlcad | though for any real model, you're exceptionally not likely to get 0,0,1 |
| 16:07.22 | brlcad | if you want to be sure and get a perfect mask, you could create a top-level combination that uses the flat shader |
| 16:07.33 | brlcad | that'll give you a perfect mask using whatever values you choose |
| 16:08.57 | ``Erik | brlcad, got a question from dave |
| 16:09.48 | ``Erik | is there a way in mged to see which combinations contain a specified region? |
| 16:10.24 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: but then I have to perform another render using this flat shader right? |
| 16:10.53 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: I would rather turn on distance reporting and make a script that extracts and masks from the output - that requires only one render. |
| 16:23.55 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: yes, you could turn on the distance reporting, but on a per-pixel basis it should actually be faster to render twice than do all that I/O |
| 16:24.14 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: I doubt |
| 16:24.21 | brlcad | ``Erik: yes |
| 16:24.34 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: rendering takes substantial time |
| 16:25.25 | brlcad | the flat shader is the fastest shader, should be substantially faster |
| 16:26.12 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: but it also needs to order those binary logical operation trees |
| 16:26.19 | Z80-Boy | which probably cause the 210x slowdown |
| 16:26.30 | Z80-Boy | so instead of 210x I'll get 420x 8-I |
| 16:28.38 | brlcad | they don't "probably" cause it, the boolean operations are what cause it to go slower |
| 16:28.46 | brlcad | didn't you read the response to your bug report? :) |
| 16:29.30 | brlcad | either way, just a suggestion |
| 16:29.42 | brlcad | so go the scripting route, that should work just as well |
| 16:29.53 | Z80-Boy | maybe not I got rid of my e-mail |
| 16:30.03 | Z80-Boy | actually I redirected it so I should have read it |
| 16:30.13 | Z80-Boy | But I don't remember |
| 16:33.44 | brlcad | ``Erik: tell him to check out the quick ref card, geometry information section .. dbfind and dbfindtree |
| 16:38.25 | Z80-Boy | ``Erik: isn't your last name Allman? |
| 16:41.43 | prasad_ | all man indeed |
| 16:43.15 | prasad_ | i gave boids guns for my final project - brian would be proud :) |
| 16:51.21 | Maloeran | In wxwidgets, would anyone happen to quickly know what would be the proper widget to render 2d stuff directly in the native format? |
| 16:51.49 | Maloeran | wxImage and friends expect 24 bits RGB data, which may imply conversion |
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| 19:15.13 | ``Erik | heh, no, if I write anything as ugly as sendmail, shoot me :D |
| 19:15.29 | ``Erik | also; not gay, ktnx :D |
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| 19:22.26 | ``Erik | doh, he wasn't evne here to see it |
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| 20:00.36 | brlcad | hello JJLopez |
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| 20:35.44 | yukonbob | Z80-Boy: cool video :) |
| 20:37.42 | Z80-Boy | yukonbob: thanks |
| 20:48.41 | yukonbob | Z80-Boy: what did you use to generate the first fades? |
| 20:48.51 | yukonbob | (blurs) |
| 20:53.56 | dli | do I need 3D support from the video card? |
| 20:54.28 | dli | the driver doesn't have 3D acceleration yet |
| 20:55.31 | ``Erik | no |
| 20:56.07 | Z80-Boy | yukonbob: a custom written algorithm |
| 20:56.10 | ``Erik | and the "opengl" output display is no faster than the X output, due to the way it's used |
| 20:56.34 | Z80-Boy | yukonbob: http://ronja.twibright.com/utils/wave.c |
| 20:56.47 | dli | ``Erik, thanks |
| 21:15.50 | brlcad | ahh, libpng 1.2.24 |
| 21:17.23 | brlcad | woo hoo, we're now back to a fully warning-free build (aside from src/other) |
| 21:17.45 | brlcad | soon as I can verify a couple other platforms, we can bump the warning level up a notch |
| 21:17.52 | ``Erik | w00t |
| 21:17.59 | ``Erik | -W -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic |
| 21:17.59 | ``Erik | :D |
| 21:18.10 | brlcad | Werror won't work |
| 21:18.13 | brlcad | cause of src/other |
| 21:18.22 | ``Erik | yeah, well, src/other is a bitch :D |
| 21:18.32 | ``Erik | and it'll work if you use the system installs of everything |
| 21:18.40 | ``Erik | debian testing just added tcl/tk 85 |
| 21:20.14 | ``Erik | javascript might be making me EVEN MORE retarded (I know, ya'll thought that was impossible, but here we are) |
| 21:20.47 | dli | tcl and tk-8.5-beta3 all in gentoo now, can I build brlcad against them now? |
| 21:22.45 | louipc | I used tcl8.5b2 withouth problem, though archer doesn't like that version |
| 21:23.08 | brlcad | i don't believe head is currently functional, particularly wrt incr -- haven't fixed the searching yet |
| 21:23.30 | brlcad | will take a few days to sort out |
| 22:08.51 | ``Erik | "occam's space laser" |
| 22:11.02 | alex_joni | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=387489&cid=21679547 |
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| 22:37.44 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/hotstuff.png <--- a 10hour build and i got this :) |
| 22:38.05 | IriX64 | sorry poolio, it's another helicopter :) |
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