| 00:00.00 | brlcad | wow, that sure is ugly :) |
| 00:04.42 | ``Erik | nifty |
| 00:36.31 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03brlcad * r317 10/trunk/libirc/include/IRCUserManager.h: eof newline |
| 00:46.33 | *** join/#brlcad yukonbob (n=yukonbob@whthyt237-51.northwestel.net) |
| 00:47.05 | yukonbob | hello, cadders. |
| 00:48.14 | ``Erik | yargh, matey, shiver me timbers |
| 00:48.41 | ``Erik | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/15/2135204 |
| 00:48.41 | ``Erik | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/15/1611208 |
| 00:48.55 | ``Erik | (for those that don't imbibe regularly) |
| 00:53.49 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r319 10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: no longer log when we get a part message. |
| 00:56.32 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 00:56.46 | ``Erik | egEnable(EG_GRIPE_MODE); |
| 00:57.09 | ``Erik | are you not in #libirc? must those who don't give a flying fuck about libirc see the cia msg's? :D |
| 00:57.14 | ``Erik | egDisable(EG_GRIPE_MODE); |
| 00:59.38 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r320 10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: check the params and settings before we try to parse private messages to make sure they are valid |
| 01:00.22 | bpoole | brings a new meaning to commit early, commit often. like every 10 minutes :) |
| 01:00.43 | ``Erik | <-- just being a dick, it don't really bother me... :) |
| 01:01.26 | ``Erik | I've seen more irc libs than I care to look at, and know too much of rfc1459 to be considered 'healthy' or 'sane' |
| 01:01.54 | ``Erik | so these msgs' are just 'one thing to burn cycles for an "ignore" in the cognative filter' |
| 01:10.03 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r322 10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: don't do a message on kick, it's stupid and chashes when it's YOU that gets kicked |
| 01:15.53 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03brlcad * r323 10/trunk/libirc/ (4 files in 4 dirs): test |
| 01:16.29 | *** join/#brlcad rpaddock (n=bob_padd@c-24-131-109-50.hsd1.oh.comcast.net) |
| 01:17.32 | brlcad | yukonbob: howdy! |
| 01:17.36 | brlcad | goodbad news :) |
| 01:18.01 | brlcad | I know what causes those specs now |
| 01:18.58 | brlcad | it's related to floating point tolerance on the negative arb being used to get the inside of that torus (which is pretty damn creative if I do say so myself) |
| 01:19.54 | brlcad | related to how segments are weaved and how it ends up with an infinitely thin "cut" segment along the inside of that cylinder that tweaks the normal ever so slightly |
| 01:20.24 | brlcad | talking with another one of the devs sometime soon to see if/what we can do about it .. very core/hard problem that goes back to a really old issue |
| 01:21.55 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03brlcad * r324 10/trunk/libirc/TODO: test |
| 01:43.06 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03brlcad * r326 10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/sample.cfg: test |
| 01:45.36 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 01:46.15 | ``Erik | huh |
| 01:46.59 | ``Erik | I hopped on #awos cuz it looked kinda interesting... lotta folk there also on #bzflag, #bzpod, #bzw, #bzfx, #bzflag, ... |
| 01:50.39 | *** join/#brlcad rdv (n=rdv@ool-44c79849.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:52.35 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03brlcad * r328 10/trunk/libirc/src/ircBasicCommands.cpp: oops, didn't intend to commmit the commented-out processing of privmsg |
| 01:53.10 | yukonbob | brlcad: hey :) |
| 01:54.19 | brlcad | awilcox is a bzflagger |
| 01:54.58 | yukonbob | brlcad: re: floating point -- !!!That was my guess... |
| 01:55.53 | brlcad | yeah, it's in a bizzare backwards way |
| 01:57.02 | brlcad | it doesn't matter that the cut/intersect object is in negative space .. it doesn't know the boolean until it's time to weave segments |
| 01:58.39 | yukonbob | reminds _me_ of dealing with financial numbers, where nothing of significance is done w/ floating point, but instead use decimal floats instead of binary -- does any of that sound interesting for this case? |
| 01:59.29 | brlcad | it's interesting, just not highly practical :) |
| 01:59.59 | brlcad | doing fixed point math of any sort kills performance, as that is at the core of the ray-intersection engine |
| 02:00.21 | yukonbob | ya -- unless there's a specific version for the IBM z80 :P |
| 02:00.29 | brlcad | heh, true |
| 02:00.54 | yukonbob | well, it is a goodnews/badnews situation isn't it :) |
| 02:07.36 | *** join/#brlcad iday (n=iday@c-68-50-191-200.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 02:13.56 | ``Erik | 'winny', too |
| 02:15.07 | brlcad | ah |
| 02:15.16 | brlcad | he's a punk kid ;) |
| 02:15.32 | brlcad | good intentions but a lot to learn still |
| 02:21.01 | ``Erik | which? winny? or wilcox? |
| 02:21.01 | ``Erik | both kinda seem like punk kids to me :D |
| 02:25.50 | ``Erik | that commercial claimed it was a flatbread, but it sure didn't look like a flat bread... (quiznos "sammies") |
| 02:27.12 | rdv | does anyone know if brlcad has been used for image-based modeling (2D to 3D)? |
| 02:31.03 | brlcad | rdv: not directly that I'm aware of |
| 02:31.21 | brlcad | a great research area, one we've often talked about getting into |
| 02:31.37 | ``Erik | heh, didn't you submit a dri on that? |
| 02:31.42 | brlcad | yep |
| 02:33.00 | ``Erik | I think the implications of how that could be applied would push me away form that... |
| 02:33.01 | brlcad | I'm pretty sure I could have made it work too |
| 02:33.16 | brlcad | at least to a proof of concept level |
| 02:33.39 | brlcad | yeah, kinda freaky uses if the system was solid |
| 02:33.47 | ``Erik | making better armor is all grand, but making better bullets... |
| 02:34.07 | brlcad | especially as it became reasonably near real-time |
| 02:35.19 | brlcad | it'll all converge one day anyways |
| 02:35.48 | brlcad | maybe I'll do my thesis on it or something instead |
| 02:35.51 | rdv | well ImageModeler and PhotoModeler exist already for those who have freaky uses in mind :) |
| 02:36.02 | rdv | not sure how powerful they are though |
| 02:36.12 | brlcad | rdv: he's talking about a research direction we almost took down that path |
| 02:36.28 | brlcad | pretty automatic 3D acquisition from video |
| 02:36.58 | rdv | is this a university or an independent lab? |
| 02:37.03 | brlcad | i've used image modeler, it's pretty nifty albeit exceptionally manual and time-intensive |
| 02:37.14 | brlcad | indep. lab |
| 02:37.21 | ``Erik | gov't lab |
| 02:37.55 | iday | brlcad: thesis? |
| 02:38.43 | brlcad | yeah.. a little ways off still, but on my mind |
| 02:38.50 | ``Erik | iday == jay-lo? |
| 02:39.16 | iday | yup |
| 02:39.30 | ``Erik | singer with the 'badonkadonk'? O.o heh :D |
| 02:39.37 | ``Erik | hah |
| 02:39.41 | ``Erik | gaffagan or something |
| 02:39.46 | iday | um... no |
| 02:39.50 | iday | thats missy |
| 02:39.51 | ``Erik | gaffigan |
| 02:39.58 | ``Erik | hooooooot pockets |
| 02:40.11 | ``Erik | so, uh, dude, a mini for your icon? DORK! |
| 02:40.16 | brlcad | erm, my comment is because I'm munching on some hot pockets atm :) |
| 02:40.21 | iday | ? oh... aim |
| 02:40.46 | iday | and, what, an m3 is cool? so 90s |
| 02:40.50 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:40.56 | ``Erik | I drive it, I don't make it my icon |
| 02:41.13 | iday | it was in a pinch.. better than a leaf |
| 02:41.39 | ``Erik | hum, I think I'm using a southpark icon |
| 02:41.46 | ``Erik | other places, I use a hal9000 icon :) |
| 02:41.48 | brlcad | mm, i'd go for a mini icon :P |
| 02:41.50 | iday | mr. brlcad didn't answer my question... |
| 02:42.00 | ``Erik | yeah, he's an elusive little bitch |
| 02:42.02 | iday | i've seen that one... nice |
| 02:42.14 | brlcad | maaa'aan.. take a look at that mini .. that suckers HUGE! |
| 02:42.27 | iday | uh huuuh... |
| 02:42.54 | iday | although i do like brlcad's "Combat" tank |
| 02:42.57 | ``Erik | when I worked at fedex, I was using freebsd on my desktop, used um,sawfish and bits of gnome, turned the gnome panel black and put it on the right, make the background black and had a hal eye in the middle of my screen :) |
| 02:43.02 | brlcad | uhh thaank ya .. thank yaa very much |
| 02:43.07 | iday | hehe |
| 02:43.10 | ``Erik | I don't think I have brlcad on aim or yahoo |
| 02:43.32 | brlcad | they're the devil |
| 02:43.37 | iday | hah |
| 02:43.52 | iday | use jabber then |
| 02:43.58 | ``Erik | jay-lo, um, "linked in"? |
| 02:44.10 | iday | huh? |
| 02:44.14 | brlcad | the site? |
| 02:44.33 | ``Erik | latest 'social network' |
| 02:44.42 | ``Erik | more geared for... y'know, grownups... i think :D |
| 02:44.45 | iday | no - i don't really do any of those... |
| 02:45.06 | iday | anything is for grownup compared to the likes of myshiite.. |
| 02:45.08 | ``Erik | I got an invite from old cow orkers, so I succumbed |
| 02:45.08 | brlcad | yeah, it's a prof. connections site .. kinda pointless unless you're job hunting maybe |
| 02:45.18 | brlcad | been up for a few years |
| 02:45.25 | ``Erik | heh, um |
| 02:45.32 | ``Erik | diesel sweeties mocked all that just recently |
| 02:45.35 | brlcad | not nearly as fun as ohloh or amihotornot |
| 02:45.49 | ``Erik | http://www.dieselsweeties.com/ |
| 02:45.58 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:46.30 | ``Erik | I remember in the very early days of 'ratemyrack' (thinkin' hotornot)... someone got a high score with a pick of a 19" rack loaded with gear... |
| 02:47.02 | iday | you and your funky sites... like the kitties... jeez... the kitties, man! |
| 02:47.16 | ``Erik | hahahaha |
| 02:47.26 | ``Erik | icanhascheezburger.com !!! |
| 02:47.29 | ``Erik | how can you not love it??? |
| 02:47.32 | iday | ha! |
| 02:47.39 | brlcad | clay kitten shooting? |
| 02:47.50 | ``Erik | I mean |
| 02:47.50 | iday | trying to get my damn neural network to learn XOR... not converging for some reason... |
| 02:48.05 | ``Erik | "cute" pics, lamer geek humor... ... :D |
| 02:48.10 | brlcad | ah |
| 02:48.14 | ``Erik | that's funny |
| 02:48.28 | ``Erik | I drug up my "box o' goodies" like half an hour ago |
| 02:48.28 | iday | did you see the xkcd? |
| 02:48.34 | ``Erik | xkcd is on my daily list |
| 02:48.39 | ``Erik | http://math.missouristate.edu/~erik/comics/comic.php |
| 02:49.03 | ``Erik | <-- tryin gto decide what ic's to put on his breadboard... the 16f88, or a few 74 series ttl's |
| 02:49.03 | iday | mrs roberts? |
| 02:49.11 | starseeker | brlcad: Where would you want to do your phd at? |
| 02:49.25 | iday | brlcad: phd? |
| 02:49.37 | iday | brlcad: ANSWER ME :-) |
| 02:50.02 | iday | ``Erik: must punch brlcad the next time you see him |
| 02:50.07 | ``Erik | um |
| 02:50.13 | ``Erik | he might punch back |
| 02:50.17 | starseeker | lol |
| 02:50.18 | iday | so? |
| 02:50.22 | ``Erik | and if ya hain't noticed, there may be a slight muscle mass difference |
| 02:50.35 | iday | come on - just drink some beer beforehand... |
| 02:50.59 | brlcad | iday: I did answer! |
| 02:51.07 | ``Erik | I don't get THAT stupid after imbibing, dude |
| 02:51.14 | brlcad | "yeah.. a little ways off still, but on my mind" |
| 02:51.34 | starseeker | Is John Hopkins a candidate for that sort of work? |
| 02:51.53 | iday | doh... musta missed it :( |
| 02:52.04 | iday | which is? |
| 02:52.07 | brlcad | i was looking at schools all weekend |
| 02:52.31 | brlcad | all spawned by an ad I ran across for a uni that specializes in alife |
| 02:52.41 | ``Erik | I don't want to nickle and dime my way to a masters, I'd want to go on hiatus and commit myself, at some place like cmu or stanford |
| 02:52.57 | iday | ahh |
| 02:53.00 | brlcad | starseeker: not the classes I'd take, it's not fun if it's something I already know |
| 02:53.06 | iday | yeah... a bit hard to do that anywhere... |
| 02:53.08 | ``Erik | starseeker: I think brlcad is good enough to understand how to learn |
| 02:53.47 | ``Erik | when I was doing my undergrad work, I figured out what profs knewwhat and bugged them after hours for the extra yard |
| 02:53.48 | brlcad | i lern good |
| 02:53.52 | ``Erik | "gud" |
| 02:54.07 | ``Erik | lurn how tew spll |
| 02:54.11 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:54.15 | iday | coledge stoodint |
| 02:54.16 | brlcad | guuda chese |
| 02:54.32 | starseeker | brlcad: Heh. You might get drafted - being a grad student kinda sucks in the "free will" department... |
| 02:54.33 | ``Erik | there was jabber about how spelling is being taught at lunch yesterday... |
| 02:54.52 | ``Erik | unfortunately, there's no good way to vocalize something like "hukt on fonix wurkd for me" |
| 02:55.13 | ``Erik | mmmm gouda |
| 02:56.01 | iday | ``Erik: probably headed to CMU myself |
| 02:56.03 | ``Erik | I REALLY need to stop reading sites like folklore.org and paul grahams site |
| 02:56.20 | ``Erik | um, hoolio is doing his bs there I think |
| 02:56.29 | iday | considering a leave of absence too |
| 02:56.37 | iday | hoolio? |
| 02:56.44 | ``Erik | last time I did my research, if languages and operating systems are your thing, it's really hard to beat cmu |
| 02:56.53 | iday | or robotics/ai! |
| 02:56.57 | ``Erik | yeah, bpoole |
| 02:57.08 | starseeker | ``Erik: Wouldn't it have to pertain to CAD in some shape or form, for you to get the OK to do it? |
| 02:57.28 | ``Erik | robotics are fun, ai is neat, but I tend to work more towards fundamental theory of computation myself :/ |
| 02:57.35 | starseeker | :-) |
| 02:57.37 | iday | :-) |
| 02:58.10 | iday | yeah - then you can write the 2-3 turing machine and prove it :-) |
| 02:58.10 | brlcad | starseeker: not really |
| 02:58.26 | ``Erik | heh, wanna copy of my 'brainfuck' suite? compilers, intepreter, and the beginnings of optimization stuff... |
| 02:58.43 | starseeker | brlcad: cool :-) |
| 02:58.48 | iday | urgh -- actually i was looking at llvm the other night |
| 02:59.25 | iday | maybe do some language experimentation once i get finished with the classes |
| 02:59.33 | ``Erik | my thinking is that any 'solid' optimization on brainfuck could provide a solid theory/lemme grade optimization for any language |
| 03:00.05 | iday | perhaps - but the primitives are so limited... no real high-level concepts there |
| 03:00.22 | ``Erik | 'partial evaluation', a pretty complex notion, is represented pretty easily in bf |
| 03:00.39 | starseeker | cmu is really good - their CMUCL lisp implementation and derivatives thereof are the best free lisps available for a lot of things |
| 03:00.52 | ``Erik | but it's not a PROVEN notion, and it's approached very ad hoc in practical optimization passes |
| 03:01.13 | iday | prove it and get a dissertation... done. |
| 03:01.17 | iday | like nash |
| 03:01.20 | ``Erik | if it were formalized at the low turing level, mebbe it'd find a much more mature invocation in 'pragmatic' languages |
| 03:01.34 | ``Erik | cmucl seems ok, I've been looking more at sbcl myself... |
| 03:01.47 | starseeker | sbcl is a derivative of cmucl |
| 03:02.29 | ``Erik | I'm learning emacs and slime against sbcl |
| 03:02.41 | starseeker | That's the right way to do it :-) |
| 03:02.45 | iday | oh my |
| 03:02.45 | ``Erik | <-- is a schemer, so is having some trouble adapting to the language, PLUS a new editor (being a vimmer) |
| 03:02.57 | iday | did Erik say he's touching emacs??? |
| 03:03.05 | ``Erik | yes, yes I did |
| 03:03.08 | ``Erik | emacs 22 and slime |
| 03:03.18 | iday | again, i say "oh, my" |
| 03:03.20 | ``Erik | and I've griped to brlcad about the suckiness of it |
| 03:03.24 | iday | hah |
| 03:03.29 | ``Erik | but I'm sticking with it |
| 03:03.31 | iday | i'm sure he's appreciated your rants |
| 03:04.07 | ``Erik | even though watching brlcad use emacs to edit a shell script on a projector made me definitely think that either emacs sucks ass or he sucks at using it... *cough* O:-) |
| 03:04.08 | brlcad | iday: have you seen the new aquaemacs? |
| 03:04.19 | brlcad | i just saw it today, installed it for bob... |
| 03:04.31 | brlcad | damn if it didn't finally seem usable and fully properly integrated |
| 03:04.56 | iday | i've been using it for several years - and yes I have the new one (unless there's a new one in the last month) |
| 03:05.15 | brlcad | i don't mean the original aqua emacs that was on sf.net and elsewhere |
| 03:05.19 | iday | except they screwed up the configuration again |
| 03:05.25 | iday | i know |
| 03:05.35 | brlcad | http://aquamacs.org |
| 03:05.39 | iday | you mean aquamacs |
| 03:05.41 | iday | yes |
| 03:05.42 | brlcad | yeah |
| 03:05.50 | brlcad | slick |
| 03:05.59 | starseeker | ``Erik: I have my beefs with Emacs, but the sense I get is that for many purposes it's so much better than anything else that people use it rather than do what it would take to make a better one... |
| 03:06.04 | brlcad | f'ing stupid icon, butgood port |
| 03:06.11 | iday | yeah - the only thing i use for non-java coding |
| 03:06.21 | brlcad | stupid cowhorse with poney tails |
| 03:06.22 | iday | no kidding |
| 03:06.35 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:06.36 | iday | ha |
| 03:06.42 | ``Erik | um |
| 03:06.54 | ``Erik | yes, it has its purpose... lemme find a url for ya... |
| 03:07.21 | brlcad | i might actually want to stop using console emacs sometime |
| 03:07.24 | starseeker | ``Erik: What's driving you to learn lisp? |
| 03:07.55 | brlcad | he's a scheme nut, using lisp makes him seem slightly less insane |
| 03:08.13 | ``Erik | um, long term scheme appreciation, and things like "mod-lisp" |
| 03:08.20 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r329 10/trunk/libirc/ (include/IRCClient.h src/IRCClient.cpp src/irClientEvents.cpp): |
| 03:08.22 | CIA-27 | libirc: send the connection event when we first get some data, not when the MOTD is done. |
| 03:08.24 | CIA-27 | libirc: This gives us the best possible state as early as possible. |
| 03:08.28 | ``Erik | I want to use some kinda lithp backed system to figure out ajax |
| 03:08.39 | ``Erik | and I want persistant globals across the threads |
| 03:08.51 | starseeker | Ah :-) |
| 03:10.09 | iday | someone was already working on a lisp-based web framework using ajax... darned if i remember where i saw though - maybe off lemonodor? |
| 03:11.28 | starseeker | Is this the one? http://www.holygoat.co.uk/applications/cl-ajax/cl-ajax |
| 03:12.22 | starseeker | Or if you're a hunchentoot fan: http://85.65.214.241/misc/ht-ajax.html |
| 03:12.57 | iday | not the same one i saw... it had a working demo... maybe defmacro - yeah looks like defmacro: http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-weblocks/ |
| 03:13.58 | starseeker | iday: Nice |
| 03:17.10 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: |
| 03:17.14 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: bob fixed a bug exposed with the opendb command where it would crash if you said |
| 03:17.16 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: no to create a new file. it was a windows-specific bug related to trying to |
| 03:17.18 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: close fd 0 (which happened to be the default descriptor value). now set to -1 |
| 03:17.20 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: and is checked. |
| 03:17.34 | ``Erik | cl-ajax is the one I've been looking at, yes |
| 03:17.49 | ``Erik | "nowadays"? dude, it's always been done |
| 03:18.25 | ``Erik | um |
| 03:18.32 | ``Erik | take viaweb for example |
| 03:18.35 | ``Erik | aka yahoo stores |
| 03:18.47 | starseeker | Oh, the famous example of making money with lisp :-) |
| 03:18.51 | ``Erik | paul graham and robert morris |
| 03:18.52 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:18.54 | ``Erik | well |
| 03:19.00 | ``Erik | ratchet and clank might be more famous |
| 03:19.06 | ``Erik | or autocad |
| 03:20.06 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:20.14 | ``Erik | someone said something along the lines of, um |
| 03:20.25 | ``Erik | "java drug the developers halfway to lisp" |
| 03:20.32 | starseeker | Yes, Guy Steele |
| 03:20.34 | iday | http://www.lambdassociates.org/lC21.htm |
| 03:20.42 | iday | hehe |
| 03:20.53 | starseeker | iday: Oh, you know about Qi? :-) |
| 03:20.55 | ``Erik | oh, guy steele, yes |
| 03:20.58 | ``Erik | the scheme guy! |
| 03:20.59 | ``Erik | hah |
| 03:21.06 | iday | haven't played with it... but yeah |
| 03:21.07 | starseeker | iday: I'm actually very interested in Qi |
| 03:21.08 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.08 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.08 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.08 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.00 | iday | starseeker: i'm interesting in seeing phase 3 |
| 03:22.04 | iday | interested |
| 03:22.25 | iday | although I |
| 03:22.39 | iday | i'm unimpressed with Tk choice |
| 03:22.46 | iday | that' |
| 03:22.46 | starseeker | iday: Any strong mathematics system like Axiom needs a strongly typed language, and SPAD (Axiom's current language) isn't even well defined |
| 03:22.52 | iday | kinda turned me off |
| 03:23.02 | starseeker | yeah, I don't care about the tk part (sorry tk fans) |
| 03:23.07 | iday | strongly typed you say... |
| 03:23.08 | ``Erik | tcl has never thrilled me |
| 03:23.27 | ``Erik | I dorked with it a little, thought it was lame, then got into thcheme, and viewed tcl has a halfassed wannabe :/ |
| 03:23.28 | iday | yeah - i need to play with qi - just to see |
| 03:23.44 | starseeker | iday: Aldor (www.aldor.org) was the replacement language for SPAD, and some would probably consider it the best mathematical programming language for a CAS available today, but they gummed up the license |
| 03:24.11 | starseeker | So we can learn from Aldor, but can't use it :-( |
| 03:24.59 | ``Erik | the last couple days, I've been looking more at asm and javame :( I'm turning lame *cry* |
| 03:25.02 | starseeker | Qi seems to have done many things the "right way" - implemented the new language inside lisp rather than having an external compiler, is willing to listen to and talk intelligently with critics |
| 03:25.04 | brlcad | iday: I think my arms are back to what they were, or really close |
| 03:25.05 | iday | interesting... haven't played with too many algebra systems myself. |
| 03:25.24 | starseeker | iday: It's my hobby obsession :-) |
| 03:25.25 | iday | brlcad: bastard. well - come over and play with your godson then |
| 03:25.32 | brlcad | (at least in size, not strength quite yet) |
| 03:25.40 | iday | brlcad: you can lift him up and down :-) |
| 03:25.48 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:25.51 | brlcad | but I am le sore |
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| 03:26.12 | iday | and I am le tired |
| 03:26.17 | starseeker | iday: Started with Maxima, but once I learned enough to appreciate how really messed up (and theoretically weak) it was/is, Axiom seemed like the obvious choice |
| 03:26.44 | starseeker | iday: Not that Axiom isn't messed up too, but at least it's theoretically closer to what a "proper" CAS should be... |
| 03:26.46 | iday | starseeker: have played with maxima... but the interface was too clunky for me to get too into it |
| 03:26.46 | ``Erik | 'maxim'? the magazine? O.o |
| 03:26.48 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:26.55 | ``Erik | oi, twiggly |
| 03:26.58 | Twingy | I haven't had hot pockets in ages |
| 03:27.21 | Twingy | when you said maxim I was reminded of the maxim231 rs232 ttl cmos converter |
| 03:27.22 | ``Erik | *smirk* and the fire alarm hasn't gone off in ages, go figure :D |
| 03:27.26 | starseeker | iday: Yeah, that's a general problem with open source CAS |
| 03:27.33 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:27.37 | starseeker | iday: Did you try the TeXmacs interface? |
| 03:28.00 | starseeker | or wxmaxima? Those are probably the closest to tolerable |
| 03:28.07 | Twingy | cept I'm using TI7404's now because I can get away with 5V instead of 7 |
| 03:28.27 | iday | starseeker: no - i saw something like that was available... but at the time i was trying to use it for a class, and no time to futz with it |
| 03:28.33 | starseeker | Ah. |
| 03:28.45 | iday | starseeker: i tried wxmaxima the other day - argh |
| 03:28.54 | starseeker | Not what you need eh? |
| 03:29.10 | Twingy | btw Erik I finally got my DB-III |
| 03:29.18 | iday | starseeker: i |
| 03:29.32 | starseeker | iday: Doing something like Mathematica's interactive 2D input typesetting interface is probably the way to go in the long term, but it's a very difficult problem. |
| 03:29.38 | iday | starseeker: am just picky about interfaces (and I keep tapping the frikkin return key) |
| 03:29.45 | iday | yes |
| 03:29.59 | starseeker | iday: That's why I am interested in McCLIM and the Stix fonts, for example |
| 03:30.03 | starseeker | they are critical pieces |
| 03:30.04 | iday | however - lyx doesn't do too bad |
| 03:30.12 | starseeker | for one liners it's ok |
| 03:30.25 | ``Erik | w00t, how's gaytech going? |
| 03:30.31 | iday | haha |
| 03:30.48 | iday | twingy looked a bit stressed today... maybe that was the soot |
| 03:31.10 | Twingy | ``Erik, very difficult |
| 03:31.14 | ``Erik | one of the things that really endeared latex to me was that the layout was very divorced from the creative cycle |
| 03:31.19 | starseeker | There's an McCLIM app called GSharp that has done amazing work with interactive music typesetting using McCLIM, and I think many of those pieces will be helpful someday in a proper math GUI. But there are so many things to fix before the GUI... :-( |
| 03:31.30 | iday | ``Erik: of course |
| 03:31.32 | ``Erik | not even worth worrying about layout, just do the fucking content... |
| 03:31.54 | iday | only until you need to embed a graphic. and then things get a bit painful |
| 03:31.57 | starseeker | iday: Actually, if you don't need interactive typesetting I recommend Emaxima |
| 03:31.58 | ``Erik | opposed to 'word', where it's easy to distract yourself be tweaking visual elements instead of being productive... |
| 03:32.02 | ``Erik | eps ftw |
| 03:32.12 | iday | starseeker: have to take a look at it |
| 03:32.26 | ``Erik | encapsulated postscript |
| 03:32.37 | iday | or pgf - program your figures |
| 03:32.50 | starseeker | Brain child of Jay Belanger |
| 03:32.51 | ``Erik | imagemagick's "convert" can make 'em, and they just 'work' if you output to ps (then use ps2pdf or something) |
| 03:32.57 | iday | pdflatex uses pdf figures as well |
| 03:33.08 | starseeker | Emaxima rocks - I helped with some of the early debugging on it |
| 03:33.44 | ``Erik | aaaanyways, it seems to me that toys like LyX kinda defeat one of the biggest advantages :D |
| 03:33.55 | ``Erik | that was the reason for my tangent |
| 03:34.10 | iday | you don't have to do any "layout" in lyx... |
| 03:34.16 | starseeker | ``Erik: Lyx is actually an interesting compromise between hiding syntax details of markup and lack of interactive WYSIWYG behavor |
| 03:34.34 | starseeker | most of the problem with users of Lyx is they expect WYSIWYG |
| 03:34.42 | iday | saves some \begin{} and \end{} typing (but not all of it) |
| 03:34.56 | iday | WYSIWYM! |
| 03:35.07 | ``Erik | erm, you don't have vim macros for automatic teTeX output? |
| 03:35.14 | ``Erik | or, uh, emacs macros? |
| 03:35.37 | iday | i like the pretty equation visualization ;-) |
| 03:35.57 | starseeker | ``Erik: Well, we have AucTeX but for a lot of students who don't go that deep into the typesetting side of things Lyx is a good compromise |
| 03:36.10 | ``Erik | I'm often tempted to write a scheme<->tex(math mode) translator |
| 03:36.15 | ``Erik | I mean, they're almsot identical |
| 03:36.25 | iday | ``Erik: you |
| 03:36.31 | iday | 're hilarious sometimes, |
| 03:36.34 | starseeker | Lyx and TeXmacs have the best equation input setups I've ever used - Lyx has the best dialog I've ever used, and TeXmacs keybindings are extremely smooth once you know them |
| 03:36.35 | ``Erik | :d |
| 03:36.36 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:36.49 | ``Erik | I also want to write a sexp<->xml translator |
| 03:36.59 | starseeker | ``Erik: cl-typesetting would like you :-) |
| 03:37.15 | Twingy | ``Erik, did you see crayon physics? |
| 03:37.26 | ``Erik | xml is just an obscenely ugly and verbose form of a subset of sexp |
| 03:37.32 | ``Erik | no? crayon physics? O.o |
| 03:37.43 | ``Erik | same nature as, um, britney speares doing semiconductor physics? |
| 03:37.48 | iday | Twingy: i sent it to brlcad earlier |
| 03:37.52 | iday | he may not have shared |
| 03:38.21 | brlcad | hm, who what? |
| 03:38.25 | starseeker | iday: Ahem - anyway, back to cad :-) |
| 03:38.28 | ``Erik | I think first I'll build yet another 74 based ripple adder |
| 03:38.29 | brlcad | i'm innocent |
| 03:38.33 | brlcad | she said she was 19 |
| 03:38.35 | ``Erik | THEN try to tie the simm to the pic |
| 03:38.43 | iday | brlcad: jeez |
| 03:38.57 | brlcad | okay 18 |
| 03:39.00 | iday | alright - since neural nets are off topic here, back to work |
| 03:39.02 | ``Erik | you're 30 now, quit hitting on the freshmen at the frat parties, step up to the sophmores |
| 03:39.05 | ``Erik | *cough* O:-) |
| 03:39.22 | starseeker | brlcad: There's a topic - can neural nets be applied to CAD? ;-) |
| 03:39.42 | brlcad | thought 'bout it some |
| 03:40.00 | ``Erik | starseeker: look at src/gtools/beset... genetic algo's applied to cad... |
| 03:40.19 | starseeker | iday: So, you're on topic after all ;-) |
| 03:40.33 | brlcad | mebbie but the dimensionality of most of the problems is a bitch for a nn, but you could use a nn as part of some bigger solution |
| 03:40.48 | ``Erik | evolving a good nn via a ga... etc |
| 03:41.01 | iday | well, i'll be using a EA to grow NN for my project this semester |
| 03:41.09 | iday | hopefully to implement target tracking |
| 03:41.25 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r330 10/trunk/libirc/src/IRCClient.cpp: when we are quiting, don't complain about not having network command handlers when the network itself is not valid. |
| 03:41.29 | brlcad | bpoole's beset GA showed quite a bit of feasibility of the approach for some problems |
| 03:41.32 | ``Erik | see, more of that 'better bullet' shit, I can't get behind that :( |
| 03:41.54 | brlcad | ``Erik: but you can get in front of them? :) |
| 03:41.55 | iday | um - not for bullets, for information |
| 03:42.02 | iday | surveillance |
| 03:42.10 | iday | jeez |
| 03:42.32 | ``Erik | I have no problem keeping kids from getting dead, but I get squeemish at the notion of getting kids dead... |
| 03:42.41 | brlcad | ~bzfrag ``Erik |
| 03:42.42 | ibot | ACTION skewers ``Erik with a super bullet |
| 03:42.44 | iday | i really wouln't work on the better bullet approach either (although, many good things can be used in nefarious ways) |
| 03:43.16 | starseeker | It's all tools in the end - in a battlefield situation, the idea is to keep at it until someone can't continue |
| 03:43.23 | rdv | brlcad: i'm interested in what adding IBMR to the software would entail. i realize it's difficult to estimate off the top of one's head |
| 03:43.23 | ``Erik | yeah, my threshhold for observing nefarious misuse has shifted in the last, ohhhh, 6, almost 7 years |
| 03:43.45 | brlcad | rdv: that's way too open-ended :) |
| 03:44.36 | starseeker | ``Erik: there's this, too - if you don't know what you might find being shot at someone someday, it's harder to design around it |
| 03:44.43 | brlcad | what do you mean by it? something with a gui that lets you pick points in multiple views? something programmatic? automatic/manual shape/edge/feature detection? console/command driven? |
| 03:45.17 | rdv | well for a first phase, maybe rectangular textures by picking 4 points on each of 2 pictures |
| 03:45.42 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r331 10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: throttle the inital channel joins, do them one at a time, and only after we have the MOTD, and a valid nick |
| 03:46.00 | ``Erik | my observation is that if you give warmongering imbeciles a technology to defend against tomorrows bullets, they'll figure out how to field those imagined bullets. |
| 03:47.25 | ``Erik | albert einsteins quote, um, about not knowing what weapons ww3 will be fought with, but ww4 being fought with sticks and stones... :) strikes a chord with me |
| 03:48.08 | starseeker | ``Erik: Given the weapons we already have, it's just a matter of degree at this point. |
| 03:48.35 | ``Erik | the weapons are just a tool, unfortunately... it's the lack of civilization |
| 03:48.47 | starseeker | Correct |
| 03:48.58 | brlcad | rdv: if someone was already familiar with the libs and interfaces and could dedicate time to it, I could see having something minimal like that in a few weeks .. that quickly expands to a few months though as you get to actual general use for making more than boxes and outlined shapes |
| 03:49.15 | ``Erik | american aggresion inthe middle east has scared russia, who's arming up... so china gets scared and is arming up...it's a vicious feedback cycle |
| 03:49.43 | starseeker | Lack of tools won't stop anybody - most of history's wars managed to kill lots of people with what were in essence extreme refinements of the club... |
| 03:49.59 | brlcad | rdv: brl-cad already has a facilities for creating/manipulating/storeing/processing geometry, so most of the work would be focused on the actual gui and IBMR calcs |
| 03:50.11 | ``Erik | and given the near obliteration experiences in teh last half century, ... I doubt modern politicians have the ability to behave in rational ways like their predecessors |
| 03:50.34 | starseeker | Which underscores the need for everyone to vote in elections |
| 03:50.49 | ``Erik | then throw in 'hot' areas of extremists getting "wmd's"... israel stealing nuke base and adopting a policy of "share the pain"... wtf |
| 03:51.15 | ``Erik | if we don't become a space faring race awfully soon, we'll probably stop being a race. |
| 03:51.30 | ``Erik | also; whiskey good *grunt* |
| 03:51.41 | brlcad | get 'em! |
| 03:51.46 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:52.13 | ``Erik | yeah, I'm scared of the world situation. the rapid degredation is horrifying. :) |
| 03:52.30 | starseeker | There are so many good things that could come of that |
| 03:52.59 | ``Erik | I think it's real, but misplaced... I think it smells more like "we're still badasses, we can beat the damn commies... again" |
| 03:53.06 | ``Erik | opposed to real sustained advancement |
| 03:53.10 | brlcad | c'est la vie, have fun and enjoy life while you have it |
| 03:53.30 | starseeker | <snort> If we hadn't had the race for space, we would never have walked on the moon. |
| 03:53.33 | ``Erik | china seems to be avoiding the critical flaw the ussr had |
| 03:53.41 | brlcad | just/more likely to die on your way home (as you so flippingly found out already) |
| 03:53.49 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:53.51 | ``Erik | well |
| 03:53.55 | starseeker | If we have to make it a race/contest to overcome human nature, oh well - at least it's better than slugging it out |
| 03:54.08 | ``Erik | I wasn't exactly driving home when I rolled the sports car :) |
| 03:54.22 | brlcad | doesn't matter, it's still in the odds |
| 03:54.45 | starseeker | arrgh - you rolled a sports car?? |
| 03:55.02 | ``Erik | yeah... but, y'know, if it takes me, it takes me... otherwise, I'll try to maximize the long term benefit of my activities as much as possible |
| 03:55.32 | ``Erik | yeah, starseeker... bmw m3... hit two trees, flipped, went upside down across a road, hit a hill and two other trees, ended up on the side |
| 03:55.46 | ``Erik | got lucky SO manytimes on that adventure |
| 03:56.15 | starseeker | holy cow |
| 03:56.16 | ``Erik | inches from a frame stop on the first tree which woulda killed me, arm happened to flop in during the roll so I got to keep it, etc... |
| 03:56.24 | ``Erik | megajoules. |
| 03:56.29 | ``Erik | I computed it before I went to court |
| 03:57.01 | starseeker | So you're taking the bus nowadays? |
| 03:57.08 | ``Erik | heh, no |
| 03:57.36 | ``Erik | insurance company totally paid everything off, and I was so damn impressed at how I stepepd out that I went and bought another m3 |
| 03:57.47 | ``Erik | haven't rolled this one yet ;) |
| 03:58.14 | ``Erik | not an issue, I never drive anywys :D |
| 03:58.19 | ``Erik | gas is too damn expensive |
| 03:58.24 | starseeker | Heh |
| 03:58.30 | starseeker | Yeah, that's for sure |
| 03:59.12 | ``Erik | brlcad and iday can attest... I make sure to keep the rear seats disassembled and leave my car key in the office when going to lunch :D |
| 04:00.04 | ``Erik | I'm tempted to junk my current truck and buy another and use that as my daily driver |
| 04:00.10 | ``Erik | hey, brlcad, wanna buy a truck? :D |
| 04:00.43 | brlcad | http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/13/the_six_most_feared_but_least_likely_causes_of_death.htm |
| 04:01.19 | ``Erik | heh |
| 04:01.38 | ``Erik | <-- has been rating auto accident and alcohol as his top two probably |
| 04:02.15 | brlcad | eh.. how about adding physical inactivity too :) |
| 04:02.24 | brlcad | you *ever* hit the apg gym? :) |
| 04:02.30 | ``Erik | not the apg one |
| 04:02.38 | ``Erik | I have one about 2 minutes walk from my house |
| 04:02.51 | brlcad | which you of course walk to every day :) |
| 04:02.58 | ``Erik | heh, hell no |
| 04:03.04 | brlcad | after a couple beers |
| 04:03.23 | ``Erik | but, uh, once in a while... and I do distance walks once in a while... |
| 04:03.37 | ``Erik | stairs all the time (there is no bathroom on the 'main' floor of my house) |
| 04:03.45 | starseeker | brlcad: It sounds like you can use ``Erik to do some real world testing of vehicle related ballistic modeling ;-) |
| 04:03.48 | ``Erik | pushups and sittups once in a while... |
| 04:04.06 | ``Erik | and my diet has gotten a lot better the last couple years, I mena, I went from 180 to 150 |
| 04:04.23 | ``Erik | 'nut' was helpful in that |
| 04:05.13 | ``Erik | heh |
| 04:05.16 | starseeker | hehe |
| 04:05.24 | starseeker | the truck would lose |
| 04:05.33 | brlcad | banking on them sorting out those problems in about 30 years |
| 04:06.15 | ``Erik | my parents have neither... my dad has high cholesterol, and so do I... but given the fluctuation on medical opinion of cholesterol... *shrug* probably aint' an issue |
| 04:06.23 | starseeker | ``Erik: just kidding around. That's one heck of a crash to have survived - you're very lucky |
| 04:06.42 | ``Erik | shit, when my dad went on an extreme low cholesterol diet, his readings went UP |
| 04:07.05 | ``Erik | starseeker: my cam was fucked up... but... http://math.missouristate.edu/~erik/m3/20060925/640x480/ |
| 04:07.35 | ``Erik | my community gym is 24/7...I have a proxy card :) |
| 04:07.47 | starseeker | Wow - actually in better shape than I would have expected |
| 04:08.18 | ``Erik | was a damn good car, and I got damn lucky |
| 04:08.25 | starseeker | I see why you got another one |
| 04:08.53 | brlcad | you should have put a "Designed for Windows XP" sticker on it |
| 04:08.56 | ``Erik | amusingly enough |
| 04:09.13 | ``Erik | after I killed the blue one, I bought one with "performance modifications" |
| 04:09.18 | ``Erik | and my insurance went down a lot |
| 04:09.36 | starseeker | That's some funky math |
| 04:09.46 | ``Erik | that was about when I turned 30 |
| 04:09.48 | ``Erik | ... |
| 04:10.13 | starseeker | Oh, OK. Age does have a lot to do with it |
| 04:11.01 | ``Erik | was weird, I paid like $1005 fora 6mo, wrecked... bought a newer fancier version... got a letter saying my rate had increased mor ethan 15% and here's my refund |
| 04:11.09 | ``Erik | and the nextcycle was like $835 or something |
| 04:13.53 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.01 | ``Erik | if you have the opportunity to toe up against a tree |
| 04:14.07 | ``Erik | politely pass on that |
| 04:14.18 | ``Erik | trees're damn tough |
| 04:14.27 | starseeker | Good advice |
| 04:24.37 | ``Erik | indeed |
| 04:24.44 | ``Erik | unlike some punkassed bitch contractors |
| 04:24.59 | ``Erik | I'll get in trouble if I don't "punch the clock" at the right time |
| 04:26.12 | brlcad | there's no clock to punch if you just don't stop coding |
| 04:28.35 | ``Erik | IT walks circuits in the morning and evening. |
| 04:29.05 | ``Erik | if I cooked an overnight crunch, Iwouldn't be credited the overnight hours, as I hadn't filled out the proper paperwork |
| 04:30.50 | brlcad | could go for a brisk midnight walk :) |
| 04:31.29 | ``Erik | the 'greenway' here is closed after dark,a nd old fuckers will call the cops on you :( |
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| 04:46.50 | brlcad | damn, burnt the coffee a little |
| 04:47.21 | brlcad | mm.. and beowulf comes out today as well as love in the time of cholera |
| 04:58.39 | ``Erik | beowulf... the movie? |
| 04:58.48 | ``Erik | cuz, uh, ya MIGHT be a LITTLe behind for the book |
| 04:59.51 | ``Erik | when I lived in memphis, I was maybe 5-6 minutes walk from the library, and had started getting old enough to have an appreciation for history |
| 05:00.11 | ``Erik | so the first book I checked out was the oldest (source) book they had... beowulf... |
| 05:00.23 | ``Erik | and next was 'the prince' |
| 05:00.26 | ``Erik | then I moved :/ |
| 05:01.35 | ``Erik | project gutenburg seems promising, but at the computer, I keep dorking around instead of reading :( |
| 06:03.02 | brlcad | yeah, the movie |
| 06:03.42 | brlcad | i read the book too, hail hrothgar! |
| 06:03.54 | brlcad | but the movie has angelina hawtness |
| 06:04.24 | brlcad | the screenplay is probably no better than tomb raider, but still fun |
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| 06:58.56 | CIA-27 | libirc: 03brlcad * r333 10/trunk/libirc/ (11 files in 6 dirs): s/receve/receive/g |
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| 09:39.45 | Defcon | happy hacking today |
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| 15:43.34 | brlcad | Defcon: heh, thx ;) |
| 15:45.05 | Defcon | haha :) |
| 15:45.10 | Defcon | was like 6 hours ago :) |
| 15:45.22 | Defcon | my hacking day is over in 15 minutes |
| 15:45.22 | Defcon | :) |
| 15:47.50 | Defcon | :) |
| 15:47.51 | Defcon | good :) |
| 15:48.00 | Defcon | did u have a productive day? |
| 15:48.20 | brlcad | a productive night |
| 15:48.24 | brlcad | it's now 10am :) |
| 15:48.25 | Defcon | :D |
| 15:48.33 | brlcad | been going since 9am yesterday |
| 15:48.44 | Defcon | 25hours straight.. :) |
| 15:49.45 | Defcon | my SQL Server is being a bitch :@ |
| 15:57.05 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/librt/wdb_obj.c: fail gracefully when xpush is called with a primitive, instead of crashing |
| 15:57.45 | Defcon | .. |
| 15:57.53 | Defcon | is that a good sign? |
| 15:59.04 | brlcad | (user visible) |
| 15:59.20 | ``Erik | well |
| 15:59.33 | ``Erik | if you have a moment, mind making sure I didn't change valid semantis? |
| 15:59.35 | ``Erik | semantics |
| 16:00.01 | brlcad | after my phonecon, sure |
| 16:00.47 | ``Erik | aight, I don't wanna chew on NEWS if my 'fix' breaks stuff... :D (staying in (and/or going home) for lunch?) |
| 16:01.34 | Defcon | cya next week |
| 16:01.38 | Defcon | <== going home |
| 18:59.17 | yukonbob | nice toenail polish |
| 18:59.52 | yukonbob | what do you call that colour? |
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| 20:01.10 | ManicMechE | quick question |
| 20:01.49 | ManicMechE | I just installed BRL-CAD 7.10.on my Mac |
| 20:02.00 | ManicMechE | 7.10.4 |
| 20:02.17 | ManicMechE | and I'm not sure where to find anything that it installed |
| 20:02.57 | ManicMechE | not in the applications folder |
| 20:03.04 | ManicMechE | not in the root directory |
| 20:03.13 | ManicMechE | not in my home directory |
| 20:08.55 | ``Erik | hum, mebbe look for /usr/brlcad ? |
| 20:09.39 | brlcad | ManicMechE: you'll need to run X11 (in Utilities folder), then run /usr/brlcad/bin/mged |
| 20:09.48 | brlcad | in the xterm that opens up |
| 20:09.55 | brlcad | alas we're still tied to X11 on the mac |
| 20:10.40 | ManicMechE | I found it on my own, but it seems angry |
| 20:10.43 | ``Erik | 30 hours now? |
| 20:11.08 | ManicMechE | Break on __THE_PROCESS_HAS_FORKED_AND_YOU_CANNOT_USE_THIS_COREFOUNDATION_FUNCTI |
| 20:11.08 | ManicMechE | NALITY___YOU_MUST_EXEC__() to debug. |
| 20:12.42 | ManicMechE | (sorry if I'm a bit of a noob, I've been teaching myself how to use the command line and just getting into oss and such) |
| 20:14.28 | brlcad | ManicMechE: did it actually say that? |
| 20:14.42 | brlcad | that's the first I'ver heard of that.. |
| 20:15.01 | brlcad | you can run /usr/brlcad/bin/mged -f and it won't detach |
| 20:15.23 | ManicMechE | yep |
| 20:18.19 | ManicMechE | hey, now I'm getting somewhere |
| 20:18.34 | ManicMechE | brlcad: thanks, I'll let you know if I have anymore questions |
| 20:27.06 | brlcad | ManicMechE: no problem, someones always here ;) |
| 20:27.30 | brlcad | ``Erik: and I entirely intend to stop at the gym on the way home for a couple hours |
| 20:38.21 | prasad1 | ah gym |
| 20:38.34 | prasad1 | lost all interest after i left |
| 20:38.37 | prasad1 | :( |
| 20:39.19 | iday | prasad1!!! :-) How' |
| 20:39.21 | iday | s it going? |
| 20:39.41 | iday | iday == jlo |
| 20:39.49 | ``Erik | heh, so you're punchdrunk and goofy... and you'll make sure your muscles are worn down and you're short on bloodsugar and energy? when're you driving, I wanna make sure I'm not ont he road at the same time O.o :D |
| 20:39.53 | iday | if you forgot |
| 20:40.12 | dtidrow_work | heh |
| 20:40.16 | ``Erik | hennifer hopez |
| 20:40.19 | iday | brlcad is crazy... but we all know that |
| 20:40.25 | iday | what-eva ``Erik |
| 20:40.57 | iday | can we get over the j-lo thing? |
| 20:41.04 | prasad1 | jlo! |
| 20:41.07 | prasad1 | sup man |
| 20:41.09 | ``Erik | that southpark had some awesome gags :D |
| 20:41.18 | iday | prasad1: sup |
| 20:41.26 | prasad1 | wmrd? |
| 20:41.30 | iday | vtd |
| 20:41.33 | prasad1 | ahso |
| 20:41.34 | iday | :-) |
| 20:41.35 | prasad1 | cool cool |
| 20:41.46 | prasad1 | hows nettie and the lil tyke |
| 20:41.59 | iday | working on NN and vision based target tracking with GA |
| 20:42.19 | prasad1 | good stuff |
| 20:42.51 | brlcad | hm, prasad1 where you still here before or after the benchpress competition? |
| 20:43.05 | prasad1 | after |
| 20:43.13 | brlcad | okay, thought so |
| 20:43.34 | brlcad | yeah, you were here after I'd started back up rowing |
| 20:43.45 | brlcad | whining about going because you were trying to look good for her |
| 20:43.56 | prasad1 | wahahah |
| 20:44.06 | prasad1 | there's a gym in my bldg |
| 20:44.12 | prasad1 | i should step it up |
| 20:44.18 | prasad1 | need motivation :( |
| 20:44.44 | brlcad | look at your belly |
| 20:44.49 | brlcad | and skinny arms |
| 20:44.52 | brlcad | that's ll the motivation I need |
| 20:45.11 | prasad1 | lol |
| 20:45.12 | prasad1 | indeed |
| 20:46.15 | prasad1 | is the delicate flower still around? |
| 20:46.17 | prasad1 | heh |
| 20:46.40 | brlcad | no, you left remember |
| 20:47.06 | brlcad | actually she's up working for Mr. T now |
| 20:47.50 | prasad1 | really |
| 20:48.01 | prasad1 | that's good (right?) |
| 20:48.59 | brlcad | she seems to enjoy it |
| 20:49.11 | brlcad | and she "won" it, so yeah, it's good |
| 20:49.54 | prasad1 | orly? |
| 20:49.55 | prasad1 | heh |
| 20:51.21 | ``Erik | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Any-Key-or-Any-Other-Key.aspx |
| 20:52.31 | iday | :-) |
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| 21:16.45 | ManicMechE | ok, so it was working great for a little while, now when I try to type at the mged prompt, it........does weird stuff |
| 21:17.51 | ManicMechE | and after killing it and starting again a couple times, it is miraculously fixed? |
| 21:18.08 | ManicMechE | methinks maybe it's not getting along with Leopard |
| 21:20.06 | brlcad | hrm, if you can repeat or quantify what you mean.. |
| 21:20.26 | brlcad | I've not seen any issues on Mac with the latest yet except for remote X11 |
| 21:20.59 | ManicMechE | I switched away in spaces for a moment |
| 21:21.12 | ManicMechE | when I switched back, both Terminal and the X11 windows were gone |
| 21:21.42 | ManicMechE | when I got them back (just fiddling around), trying to type at the mged prompt caused it to behave erratically |
| 21:21.48 | ManicMechE | such as the prompt disappearing |
| 21:21.54 | ManicMechE | it tabbing over |
| 21:22.11 | ManicMechE | it deleting bits of what was already there |
| 21:22.18 | ManicMechE | I had to kill it through the gui |
| 21:22.33 | ManicMechE | I started it again |
| 21:22.38 | ManicMechE | same business |
| 21:22.41 | ManicMechE | killed it again |
| 21:22.43 | ManicMechE | started again |
| 21:22.46 | ManicMechE | and now it works fine |
| 21:25.27 | brlcad | oh, I read about that with Spaces |
| 21:26.12 | brlcad | on the Tk mailing list, it's a bug in X11 fixed in latest sources but not in 10.5 yet |
| 21:26.24 | brlcad | affecting windows and input control |
| 21:26.37 | ManicMechE | I suspected as much |
| 21:26.57 | ManicMechE | moving x11 windows across spaces has already proven to be bad news for me |
| 21:27.11 | brlcad | there's actually one guy at Apple that was dedicated to work on the problem, he was asking for help from X11 devs |
| 21:27.36 | brlcad | apparently a really hard set of bugs |
| 21:28.56 | ManicMechE | I would imagine |
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