| 00:02.18 | ``Erik | the tcl error? or the dorking with os stuff error? :D |
| 00:02.30 | ``Erik | I freakin' hate i386 irq/isr/gdt crap |
| 00:02.37 | ``Erik | and amd64 has exactly the same shit |
| 00:06.44 | brlcad | tcl |
| 01:03.54 | starseeker | brlcad: still on? |
| 01:04.24 | *** join/#brlcad yukonbob (n=yukonbob@198.235.198.234) |
| 01:05.19 | starseeker | yukonbob: Heh - our timing isn't so hot, or he's darn good a dodging ;-) |
| 01:07.32 | brlcad | yes |
| 01:07.56 | brlcad | too much code, too little time |
| 01:09.46 | yukonbob | :) |
| 01:10.35 | yukonbob | brlcad: did ``Erik get you that file/info |
| 01:11.20 | brlcad | the .g file, yes |
| 01:14.43 | brlcad | is it full_hub? |
| 01:15.46 | yukonbob | hubcomb |
| 01:16.33 | ``Erik | debugger nirt run on the 'bad' rays? |
| 01:17.02 | yukonbob | seems to be size-dependant (if I'm seeing what I think you're seeing)... so either use a big framebuffer, or use 2048 or so for manual rt... |
| 01:18.29 | brlcad | it is |
| 01:18.35 | brlcad | related to tolerance and root solving |
| 01:18.59 | yukonbob | floating point issue? (/me is totally guessing) |
| 01:19.15 | brlcad | could be as simple as a bad normal, but can't say for certain without actual testing |
| 01:19.23 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:19.36 | ``Erik | what all pushes the root solver? the torus is a biggie |
| 01:20.23 | ``Erik | but the issues with those mostly seem when the normal is near orthogenal to the primary |
| 01:20.25 | yukonbob | there are ~38 (maybe 78) tori in that model iirc |
| 01:21.08 | brlcad | I don't doubt that the odd normals are tolerance related |
| 01:21.43 | brlcad | the odd one are the specs on the tgc |
| 01:21.57 | brlcad | those are the ones that are worth investigating |
| 01:22.37 | yukonbob | tgc == [rcc + constraints]? |
| 01:22.46 | ``Erik | truncated cone |
| 01:22.58 | ``Erik | an rcc a form of tgc |
| 01:23.03 | yukonbob | trunc cone == trc. |
| 01:23.03 | ``Erik | iirc |
| 01:23.07 | ``Erik | er |
| 01:23.20 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't model, so loses those quick... :D |
| 01:23.29 | ``Erik | also; vodka good :D so don't give me shit |
| 01:23.39 | brlcad | truncated generalized cone |
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| 01:23.53 | ``Erik | trc is truncated right cone? |
| 01:23.53 | yukonbob | that hub body == diff of rcc's -- anyway, is all obvious w/ the .g, and /me trusts you'll find something interesting... |
| 01:23.53 | brlcad | s/generalized/general/ |
| 01:23.59 | brlcad | yeah |
| 01:24.00 | ``Erik | twingy, isst! |
| 01:24.06 | brlcad | rcc is a right circular cylinder |
| 01:24.09 | Twingy | pisst! |
| 01:24.11 | ``Erik | ok, so trc is a form of tgc |
| 01:24.20 | brlcad | trc and rcc both |
| 01:24.22 | Twingy | I sent a file and instructions to ed today |
| 01:24.26 | ``Erik | ok |
| 01:24.32 | brlcad | all of the conics are a tgc |
| 01:24.45 | ``Erik | I was in his office this morning, he called you then jay-lo to get isst and rvis sorted |
| 01:25.10 | brlcad | just like all of the arbs are arb8's |
| 01:25.16 | Twingy | I've been squeezing out circuit boards like a weathered north vietnamese child labor shop |
| 01:26.20 | yukonbob | re: trc and rcc == tgc; interesting... |
| 01:26.45 | yukonbob | tec + rec, too? |
| 01:27.29 | brlcad | they go through different numerics, and are stored with the knowledge that they are that specific type of tgc |
| 01:27.43 | ``Erik | yeah, uh |
| 01:27.46 | brlcad | so saying they're the same really just means that their storage format is that of a tgc |
| 01:27.59 | yukonbob | thx ``Erik |
| 01:28.04 | ``Erik | I have to go in the next day or to, heh... I'm trying an experiement |
| 01:28.21 | ``Erik | instead of buying 6 weeks worth of food and living out of the freezer, I'm trying to buy minimally and go once a week |
| 01:28.35 | brlcad | rcc's are considerably faster to evaluate than an arbitrary tgc, for example (almost an order), given the types of roots possible |
| 01:28.38 | ``Erik | I'm hoping it'll get me into eating more fresh vegetables and get away from the frozen foods |
| 01:29.18 | Twingy | I often go to the grocery store twice a week |
| 01:29.48 | ``Erik | I was doing it once every 6 weeks... |
| 01:29.52 | yukonbob | ! |
| 01:29.59 | starseeker | my freezer isn't that big |
| 01:30.29 | yukonbob | reminds me of Microserfs, where people lock themselves in their offices and only eat flat food; food that can be slid under the door... |
| 01:30.38 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:31.23 | ``Erik | heh, ziplock fotw |
| 01:31.27 | ``Erik | ftw |
| 01:31.35 | starseeker | Actually, ``Erik you might know this... since brlcad's busy - Has there ever been an effort to have the itcl/itk upstream devs merge in the brlcad patches to those libraries? |
| 01:31.43 | ``Erik | um |
| 01:31.50 | ``Erik | brlcad patches? |
| 01:32.01 | starseeker | BRL-CAD patches itcl/itk |
| 01:32.05 | ``Erik | well |
| 01:32.17 | ``Erik | bob patched itcl to cope with being included in a foreign build system |
| 01:32.18 | ``Erik | but, uh |
| 01:32.22 | ``Erik | otherwise, tehy're very stock |
| 01:32.53 | ``Erik | the only modification right now in HEAD is, um, including <brlcad_config.h> I think |
| 01:33.15 | ``Erik | otherwise, I broke stuff really good last week when I imported new tcl, tk, itcl, and itk |
| 01:33.25 | starseeker | My system installs don't expose Itcl_Init for some reason |
| 01:33.47 | ``Erik | erm, odd |
| 01:34.25 | ``Erik | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 01:34.33 | ``Erik | but I don't use system itcl |
| 01:34.35 | ``Erik | not yet |
| 01:35.25 | starseeker | There we go http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m66c7d311 |
| 01:36.28 | starseeker | Personally I don't have a problem with BRL-CAD building it's own libs, but it seems to send the Gentoo devs into a tailspin - every time I interact with them they "suggest" that using the system libs is the way to go... |
| 01:42.59 | ``Erik | when they support (actively) tcl 8.5b1, tk 8.5b1, itcl3.4 and itk 3.4, it's all good. |
| 01:43.08 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:43.12 | starseeker | Heh |
| 01:46.53 | ``Erik | ... ayup... |
| 01:47.02 | ``Erik | and I'm PRETTY sure they they don't offer itcl 3.4 |
| 01:47.04 | ``Erik | masked or not. |
| 01:47.20 | ``Erik | given that I imported stuff from the cvs head... |
| 01:47.24 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:47.28 | starseeker | hehe |
| 01:48.33 | starseeker | They also suggested reducing the user-visible flags - is there any condition under which a "normal" user would NOT want to optimize the build? |
| 01:48.52 | ``Erik | um |
| 01:48.53 | ``Erik | no |
| 01:48.57 | starseeker | OK :-) |
| 01:49.15 | starseeker | aaaand a nother one bites the dust... |
| 01:49.16 | ``Erik | supposedly, it causes crashes on sparc and ppc on fbsd |
| 01:49.31 | ``Erik | or, it did at one point |
| 01:49.53 | ``Erik | I lack sparc and ppc fbsd boxen, so I undid the de-optimize fu in the port... and will wait for bug reports |
| 01:50.18 | starseeker | That should do it :-) |
| 01:51.01 | ``Erik | now I currenlty don't have adrt/rise enabled and that has been a request from users |
| 01:51.05 | ``Erik | mostly pedre |
| 01:51.24 | ``Erik | but it adds python and sdl as deps |
| 01:51.58 | ``Erik | <-- cranks his ui size way down |
| 01:52.16 | ``Erik | woops |
| 01:52.19 | Twingy | python and sdl is the ancient one |
| 01:52.23 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:52.24 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 01:52.25 | ``Erik | uh |
| 01:52.30 | ``Erik | get me mor erecent code. |
| 01:52.30 | ``Erik | boy. |
| 01:52.39 | Twingy | I told you I just send ed the code |
| 01:53.07 | ``Erik | are the docs up to date, so'z dumb old coder like me can pick it up? |
| 01:54.09 | ``Erik | <-- half expecting a letter from legal in the next few days, skipped lunch to leave early (after 9hrclock time), and the evil one saw me drive off. |
| 01:54.20 | ``Erik | so I'm a'drinkin' and not a'carin' |
| 01:56.07 | Twingy | legal? are you in trouble? :) |
| 01:56.54 | ``Erik | prasad got a legal notice before any supervisor interjection |
| 01:57.24 | ``Erik | actually, no, he got it immediately after, but obviously the legal avenue was pursued before any confrontation at the local mgmt level |
| 01:57.43 | ``Erik | and I don't think it learnes. |
| 01:58.42 | ``Erik | damn my unique automobile |
| 02:23.38 | brlcad | yukonbob: that'd work for me.. pizza :) |
| 02:24.03 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, we're not modding incr (at least any more) |
| 02:24.19 | starseeker | :-) |
| 02:24.23 | brlcad | other than to allow it to work uninstalled, which is specific to our source layout |
| 02:24.40 | starseeker | Would upstream incorporate that change? |
| 02:26.26 | brlcad | no no, it refers specifically to where we know it can find sources |
| 02:26.49 | brlcad | merely for the sake of being able to run binaries without actually installing |
| 02:27.07 | brlcad | and still have them find all of the resources they expect |
| 02:27.51 | brlcad | the same effect is achieved normally by setting the plethora of env vars (ITCL_LIBRARY, etc) |
| 02:28.44 | starseeker | Ah. So using a system install is possible if the env vars are used? |
| 02:28.48 | brlcad | ideally --disable-all will work if/when the proper deps are declared and if/when all of the configure tests are solid |
| 02:29.00 | brlcad | huh? |
| 02:29.09 | brlcad | using a system install is supposed to be possible regardless |
| 02:29.16 | starseeker | er, sorry. :-) |
| 02:29.19 | brlcad | i'm referring to running binaries without ever installing anything |
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| 02:29.43 | brlcad | if they were purely all system installed libs, then there's no problem |
| 02:30.03 | brlcad | because at run-time, everything is where it expects it already (they're already installed) |
| 02:30.14 | starseeker | Ah, of course |
| 02:30.20 | brlcad | i'm talking about having one of the tcl component being used, but NOT yet installed |
| 02:30.42 | brlcad | like say you use a system tcl, but were letting incrtcl compile from our sources |
| 02:31.12 | brlcad | then a binary that uses itcl, tries a package require Itcl, etc will fail |
| 02:31.17 | brlcad | until you install it |
| 02:31.42 | starseeker | Oh, got it |
| 02:31.53 | brlcad | since we know where to find those resources even before it's installed, we just make the mod that makes it look in our source tree before giving up |
| 02:31.59 | fiberchunks | evening |
| 02:32.02 | brlcad | howdy fiberchunks |
| 02:32.13 | brlcad | two days in a row, what is the world coming to! |
| 02:32.22 | fiberchunks | no doubt -- call guinness :) |
| 02:32.33 | fiberchunks | ...cause I need a beer |
| 02:33.03 | brlcad | ~beer fiberchunks |
| 02:33.04 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a excellent Piraat for fiberchunks |
| 02:33.10 | fiberchunks | danke |
| 02:35.36 | brlcad | ``Erik: you noticed that the new tcl isn't getting our build flags any more? |
| 02:35.57 | brlcad | since b2 update afaict |
| 02:36.19 | brlcad | starseeker: for that configure log, is there a system incrtcl already installed? |
| 02:36.26 | brlcad | i.e. did it fail to detect |
| 02:36.38 | starseeker | Should be - itcl and itk are installed... |
| 02:36.39 | brlcad | or is the abort correct |
| 02:36.50 | starseeker | hang on, let me make sure... |
| 02:36.56 | brlcad | should see why the test failed |
| 02:37.10 | brlcad | might be something as simple as needing some -lz or something |
| 02:37.22 | starseeker | I have itcl-3.3 and itk-3.3 installed using the portage system |
| 02:37.38 | starseeker | In /usr/lib/itcl3.3 |
| 02:37.40 | brlcad | look in config.log for Itcl_Init |
| 02:38.04 | brlcad | those are the data resources, the libs are "somewhere" else |
| 02:38.19 | starseeker | configure:30575: checking for Itcl_Init in -litcl3.4 |
| 02:38.39 | starseeker | configure:30639: checking for Itcl_Init in -litcl34 |
| 02:38.47 | starseeker | configure:30703: checking for Itcl_Init in -litcl3.3 |
| 02:38.57 | starseeker | that should be it... |
| 02:39.03 | brlcad | huh? |
| 02:39.08 | starseeker | version 3.3 |
| 02:39.18 | starseeker | letsee here... |
| 02:39.20 | brlcad | nah nah, there is massive sections in config.log related to those tests |
| 02:39.35 | starseeker | Oh, want me to pastebin all of it? |
| 02:39.48 | brlcad | all of what? |
| 02:39.56 | starseeker | that section of config.log |
| 02:40.00 | brlcad | i want to see all of just one of the tests that should have succeeded |
| 02:40.12 | brlcad | like the -litcl3.3 test |
| 02:40.30 | brlcad | presuming you have a libitcl3.3.so |
| 02:40.49 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m575b452b |
| 02:41.19 | brlcad | locate libitcl |
| 02:41.37 | brlcad | that one at least correctly "failed" |
| 02:41.40 | starseeker | I don't have locate on this box, one sec... |
| 02:41.47 | brlcad | /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -litcl3.3 |
| 02:42.19 | brlcad | don't have locate o.O |
| 02:42.42 | starseeker | /usr/lib/itcl3.3/libitcl3.3.so is the file in question... |
| 02:44.20 | brlcad | wow |
| 02:44.29 | brlcad | that's .. |
| 02:44.30 | brlcad | special |
| 02:45.00 | starseeker | The location or not having locate? |
| 02:45.06 | brlcad | yes :) |
| 02:45.09 | starseeker | Hehe |
| 02:45.14 | brlcad | but the location in particular |
| 02:45.26 | brlcad | how is an app that uses libitcl supposed to link against it? |
| 02:45.27 | starseeker | That's where the ebuild stuck it - let me check the ebuild... |
| 02:45.35 | brlcad | without manually adding that ld path |
| 02:45.47 | brlcad | where is libtcl installed? |
| 02:46.21 | starseeker | /usr/lib/tcl8.4 |
| 02:46.34 | brlcad | inside that dir? |
| 02:46.41 | starseeker | with /usr/lib having libtcl.so, libtcl8.4.so |
| 02:46.43 | starseeker | yes |
| 02:46.45 | brlcad | ahh |
| 02:46.56 | brlcad | it has symlinks into it in /usr/lib |
| 02:47.03 | brlcad | *that* makes sense |
| 02:47.14 | ``Erik | brlcad: no... remind me at lunch tomorrow :D |
| 02:47.20 | brlcad | just throwing libs into a dir with no ref to them doesn't |
| 02:47.26 | starseeker | It would appear that libitcl does not |
| 02:47.36 | starseeker | have anything in /usr/lib |
| 02:47.48 | ``Erik | itcl 3.3 does not play well with tcl 8.5b1 |
| 02:48.08 | starseeker | Well, my system tcl is 8.4 |
| 02:48.41 | brlcad | if you run bwish and package require Itcl, what does it do? |
| 02:48.46 | brlcad | s/bwish/wish/ |
| 02:48.50 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/tcl/generic/tclInt.h: since our build flags aren't getting passed through to tcl for some reason (which isn't all that bad so far), just reference our common.h directly |
| 02:49.03 | ``Erik | ok |
| 02:49.12 | ``Erik | I guess you don't need to remind me at lunch |
| 02:49.13 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 02:49.14 | starseeker | cyapp@localhost /usr/portage $ wish |
| 02:49.14 | starseeker | package require % Itcl |
| 02:49.15 | starseeker | 3.3 |
| 02:49.15 | starseeker | % |
| 02:49.23 | starseeker | and a window pops up after wish |
| 02:49.56 | brlcad | that takes care of the error .. not sure we care if other flags aren't passed -- i'd gather it might be a bigger problem on a non-gcc platform |
| 02:50.10 | brlcad | yeah, the window is default wish behavior, that's just tk |
| 02:50.16 | starseeker | right |
| 02:50.20 | brlcad | i wonder how wish is finding itcl |
| 02:50.28 | brlcad | set auto_path |
| 02:50.40 | brlcad | what does that report? |
| 02:51.13 | starseeker | /usr/lib/tcl8.4 /usr/lib /usr/lib/tk8.4 |
| 02:51.30 | brlcad | huh |
| 02:52.19 | brlcad | is itcl.tcl in tcl8.4 or itcl3.3 dir? |
| 02:52.58 | brlcad | and what does ldd `which wish` report? |
| 02:53.13 | starseeker | /usr/lib/itcl3.3/itcl.tcl |
| 02:54.01 | starseeker | no sign of itcl |
| 02:54.22 | starseeker | let me pastebin the result... |
| 02:54.48 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7549ba41 |
| 02:55.36 | starseeker | Ah - there is an itclConfig.sh file in /usr/lib |
| 02:56.32 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m21cfb12e |
| 02:56.39 | starseeker | I'll bet that's it |
| 02:57.11 | starseeker | Anybody else have that file in /usr/lib? |
| 02:57.28 | brlcad | that'd be one way to find the lib |
| 02:57.49 | brlcad | but I doubt still not what wish is using |
| 03:02.42 | starseeker | The only thing I see in any generic file is /usr/include has itcl and itk .h files |
| 03:03.40 | brlcad | ah well, suppose it doesn't matter too much .. I can use the config script |
| 03:03.47 | starseeker | and as far as I can tell, the portage package system isn't doing any special magic when it is doing the installs... |
| 03:04.10 | starseeker | Anybody else got a Gentoo system on the list? |
| 03:10.47 | yukonbob | brlcad: re: finding /usr/lib/itcl3.3 in portage -- I bet the build system must setup "default" paths/ENV vars to get the portage system to work, and require flags to "manually" build against it -- my 3rd party libs/tools are /usr/pkg/[blah] -- which makes total sense for this system... |
| 03:11.55 | starseeker | What does it mean when you get a "Cannot allocate memory" error in a cvs checkout??? |
| 03:13.35 | yukonbob | brlcad: iirc, tcls autopath searches dirs and all subdirs |
| 03:14.01 | starseeker | brlcad: Thanks for taking the time to work on this :-) |
| 03:17.12 | yukonbob | ...not to mention the *Config.sh for leading tcl around to find it's bits/self... though like ``Erik said, nobody really likes it -- it's a bit of an ongoing issue finding the best way to have tcl know what system it's on, introspect about itself, etc. |
| 03:28.19 | brlcad | yukonbob: really? didn't think it was recursive |
| 03:28.29 | brlcad | but that would explain finding itcl |
| 03:29.06 | brlcad | and I still didn't think the config scripts were used by anything at run-time |
| 03:29.27 | brlcad | just part of tea build interface |
| 03:31.44 | yukonbob | brlcad: re: Config -- you may well be correct there -- I'm _not_ an expert in this case -- and I think that anybody who _is_ an expert wishes for something better ;) |
| 03:32.34 | yukonbob | (from what I glean from conversations with & between devs.) |
| 03:50.59 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/incrTcl/itcl/Makefile.am: fix dist, apparently no longer a mac dir here? |
| 03:53.43 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libpng/Makefile.am: wrong ver file in dist |
| 03:56.10 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/Makefile.am: fix dist, there is no brlcad dir |
| 05:36.09 | brlcad | awshome .. now detects files missing from the dist in a useful manner |
| 05:38.34 | yukonbob | :) -- hey (only curious here, not pushing), did you see what is responsible for the errant pixels in the hub? |
| 06:08.33 | brlcad | oh heck no, that'll take a quite while to investigate |
| 06:09.06 | brlcad | but I was able to reproduce it, so that's good/bad |
| 06:11.58 | brlcad | I also don't have the right build setup at the moment to dive into it, but thanks for getting the model over -- it's in the queue to investigate |
| 06:29.06 | yukonbob | :) |
| 06:30.00 | yukonbob | if there's something I can do here, lemme know |
| 06:48.06 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/vdeck/Makefile.loc: pointless and out-of-date old build file removed |
| 06:49.54 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/util/Makefile.am: add missing remapid manual page to the install/dist |
| 06:52.04 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (util/Makefile.loc fbed/Makefile.loc libbn/Makefile.loc): more obsolete and out-of-date old build files, now removed |
| 06:58.23 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/bomb.c: |
| 06:58.25 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: semaphore protect the crash report being generated on bomb so that only one |
| 06:58.27 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: thread/process is writing out to the log file at a time. only allow one of them |
| 06:58.29 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: to write to the file, depending on whether the log file for that process already |
| 06:58.31 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: exists. we use BU_SEM_MAPPEDFILE since that really shouldn't be in use during |
| 06:58.35 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: bombing. |
| 07:05.19 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: |
| 07:05.21 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: fixed garbled output during parallel crash reports. if you were on a parallel |
| 07:05.23 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: system with mutiple threads/procs in action when bu_bomb() is invoked, multiple |
| 07:05.25 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: threads/procs ended up writing out to the crash report file. this fix |
| 07:05.27 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: synchronizes the output and removes the garbled interleaving. |
| 07:40.47 | brlcad | yay, all binaries finally uploaded (except windows) |
| 07:41.14 | brlcad | tomorrow hopefully can make all of the announcements |
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| 11:51.08 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/brlcad/brlcad.sln: Initial check-in. |
| 12:11.33 | Defcon | ? what? |
| 12:19.37 | brlcad | Defcon: ? |
| 12:22.02 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/Makefile.am: there is that brlcad.sln now.. |
| 12:25.31 | Defcon | yeah |
| 12:25.31 | Defcon | what is CIA-27 saying? |
| 14:18.08 | brlcad | Defcon: CIA-27 shows commits to the BRL-CAD source code repository (i.e. actual changes to the code) as they happen |
| 14:19.16 | Defcon | that is sweet |
| 14:19.20 | brlcad | so there it was saying that bob1961 (one of the brl-cad developers) made a change, namely that he added the misc/win32-msvc8/brlcad/brlcad.sln visual studio build file |
| 14:19.44 | Defcon | is it made in visual studio? |
| 14:19.56 | brlcad | brl-cad is cross-platform |
| 14:20.00 | brlcad | extensively |
| 14:20.03 | Defcon | nice |
| 14:20.21 | Defcon | but if you guys are open source |
| 14:20.37 | Defcon | who pays for the visual studio licence |
| 14:21.07 | brlcad | just because we're open source doesn't mean we're broke and waiting for hand-outs :) |
| 14:21.25 | brlcad | different for each dev/contributor |
| 14:22.08 | Defcon | ohw :) |
| 14:22.11 | brlcad | I buy what I need, for example, in addition to the slew of open source software I use and work on |
| 14:22.53 | Defcon | are you a C programmer? |
| 14:23.01 | brlcad | I have windows and studio but rarely use them myself, only from time to time for brl-cad |
| 14:23.14 | brlcad | most of the time, I use my macs, bsd, and linux |
| 14:23.20 | Defcon | nice |
| 14:23.39 | Defcon | btw: who are u, 'cause i think brlcad can't speak for itselves |
| 14:23.39 | Defcon | :) |
| 14:23.49 | ``Erik | he is brlcad |
| 14:23.59 | Defcon | brlcad is an app |
| 14:24.00 | Defcon | :) |
| 14:24.17 | ``Erik | and defcon is a military state system |
| 14:24.32 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:24.40 | Defcon | :) |
| 14:24.43 | Defcon | indeed |
| 14:24.50 | Defcon | from the us |
| 14:24.57 | Defcon | i'm from Belgium |
| 14:25.11 | Defcon | and a fellow Developper, not a system :) |
| 14:25.41 | ``Erik | well, you can be a defense condition, and brlcad can be an app, it's all good :D |
| 14:25.45 | brlcad | Defcon: "brl-cad" is an app, "brlcad" is me :) |
| 14:25.51 | ``Erik | I thought it was BRL-CAD |
| 14:25.52 | Defcon | haha ok |
| 14:25.57 | brlcad | that too |
| 14:26.07 | Defcon | yeah, that's more impressive |
| 14:26.07 | Defcon | :) |
| 14:26.25 | Defcon | man i love the Stryker ICV w/ Slat Armor rendered with ADRT/RISE render |
| 14:26.45 | brlcad | Twingy put that one together |
| 14:26.50 | brlcad | pretty slick, eh? |
| 14:26.59 | ``Erik | I think that took a week or two on an 18 core mini-cluster |
| 14:27.14 | Defcon | very nice |
| 14:27.30 | Defcon | ``Erik to render? |
| 14:27.31 | ``Erik | has all the goodies turned on, depth of field, hypersampling, etc |
| 14:28.06 | brlcad | Defcon: so you're a developer? |
| 14:28.11 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 14:28.12 | ``Erik | 5 days |
| 14:28.15 | ``Erik | it's on the image |
| 14:28.28 | Defcon | yeah |
| 14:28.37 | Defcon | indeed brlcad |
| 14:28.38 | ``Erik | um, every blade of grass and leaf is modelled |
| 14:28.41 | brlcad | then welcome :) |
| 14:28.46 | Defcon | ty :) |
| 14:28.55 | ``Erik | there are no textures, imposters, or anything |
| 14:28.59 | brlcad | lemme know where we can get you hacking and contributing ;) |
| 14:29.13 | Defcon | hacking..? :D |
| 14:29.24 | brlcad | it's a big package, but don't let it be daunting -- feel free to ask questions ;) |
| 14:29.33 | brlcad | hacking == developing |
| 14:29.37 | Defcon | ohw :) |
| 14:29.48 | Defcon | i'm an vb / asp.net programmer |
| 14:30.13 | Defcon | so.. i dunno if i can add something to your app |
| 14:30.13 | Defcon | :) |
| 14:30.43 | brlcad | hey, most languages if you know them well translate to other languages without too much effort |
| 14:30.45 | Defcon | BRL-CAD is way to advanced for me |
| 14:31.57 | ``Erik | <-- thinks one of the biggest ways to improve your coding skill is to honestly learn new languages and paradigms |
| 14:32.06 | brlcad | Defcon: so then what's your interest? |
| 14:32.30 | Defcon | everything that has to do something with coding :) |
| 14:32.37 | brlcad | it's too big to qualitatively say that the *whole* thing is too advanced for you :) |
| 14:32.45 | ``Erik | and one of the neater ways to do that might be to grab some tickle and write modelling scripts, very quick to get very visual results |
| 14:32.53 | ``Erik | tcl |
| 14:33.02 | Defcon | tcl? |
| 14:33.12 | ``Erik | the scripting language we're using |
| 14:33.27 | ``Erik | http://www.tcl.tk |
| 14:33.40 | Defcon | ah |
| 14:33.41 | brlcad | or even write some procedural geometry stuff in VB for that matter |
| 14:34.08 | brlcad | just hook up to the brl-cad dll's like you would for any language in vb |
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| 14:34.23 | Defcon | yeah |
| 14:34.29 | ``Erik | hm, vb stuff tends not to work so well on mac, freebsd, openbsd, linux, irix, solaris, ... |
| 14:34.30 | Defcon | i know how to use dll's |
| 14:34.35 | Defcon | might be a start |
| 14:35.04 | ``Erik | ruby might be sexier :D |
| 14:35.11 | brlcad | there are tons of small example programs in src/proc-db (in C) and src/mk for making procedural geometry, but it helps if you kinda had some sort of goal in mind |
| 14:35.54 | Defcon | my goal now is to find a goal |
| 14:35.55 | Defcon | :) |
| 14:36.12 | Defcon | that's one reason i'm here |
| 14:36.41 | brlcad | lots of potential goals here: http://my.brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html |
| 14:37.13 | brlcad | though VB won't help with most of them |
| 14:37.40 | Defcon | hmm |
| 14:37.41 | Defcon | Web Work |
| 14:38.13 | brlcad | do you know anything other than asp? |
| 14:38.19 | Defcon | vb :) |
| 14:38.22 | Defcon | sql server |
| 14:38.26 | Defcon | .. |
| 14:38.26 | brlcad | or are interested in learning :) |
| 14:38.34 | Defcon | offcourse i am |
| 14:38.35 | brlcad | something like php or ruby or python |
| 14:38.48 | Defcon | why those? |
| 14:39.06 | ``Erik | the web stuff is php on a freebsd server, backed by mysql I think |
| 14:39.20 | Defcon | ohw |
| 14:39.22 | ``Erik | adrt/rise uses some python |
| 14:39.36 | brlcad | mysql or postgres or whatever is needed (but open source) |
| 14:40.10 | Defcon | i have worked a very little bit with php, mysql and apache |
| 14:40.24 | Defcon | but that knowledge is allready gone |
| 14:40.27 | brlcad | and I really have no inclination of installing the fp extensions to apache .. :) |
| 14:40.43 | Defcon | :) |
| 14:41.36 | Defcon | i started leaning C once |
| 14:41.46 | Defcon | via the interwebz |
| 14:41.53 | brlcad | php, ruby, python, perl, lisp, etc, are all easy to set up if they're not set up already |
| 14:41.57 | Defcon | and Maloeran's app/game |
| 14:42.21 | brlcad | some more ideas: http://brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/brlcad/brlcad/doc/IDEAS |
| 14:42.28 | ``Erik | his web space thingy? I thought that was all striaght C, wrote his own httpd or something |
| 14:42.45 | Defcon | indeed |
| 14:43.35 | ``Erik | <-- has an urge to learn 'ajax' with a CL backed server chunk lately |
| 14:43.53 | Defcon | i know a bit of ajax |
| 14:44.24 | Defcon | btw: www.ectroverse.com |
| 14:44.34 | Defcon | mal's game is still up and running |
| 14:44.45 | ``Erik | http://www.cliki.net/CL-AJAX <-- something I've been looking at |
| 14:44.46 | Defcon | completely build in C |
| 14:45.07 | Defcon | i do not know Lisp |
| 14:45.09 | Defcon | :) |
| 14:47.18 | Defcon | in mal's sourcecode : void InitHTTP() |
| 14:47.38 | Defcon | so he basicly wrote his own webserver? |
| 14:48.55 | ``Erik | I think he did... *shrug* I d'no, I never saw the code |
| 14:49.21 | ``Erik | webservers are easy to write, I had an assignment to write one at school many years ago |
| 14:49.22 | Defcon | http://www.wazig.be/%5Fev/dl/ectroverse_source.zip |
| 14:49.30 | Defcon | really |
| 14:52.29 | Defcon | if it was that easy, i would have made one |
| 14:52.58 | Defcon | btw: what is an .o file? |
| 14:52.59 | ``Erik | heh, yeah, that's a standalone web server |
| 14:53.04 | ``Erik | object |
| 14:53.11 | ``Erik | um, you probably recognize them as .obj |
| 14:53.11 | Defcon | and why isn't that plain text |
| 14:53.12 | Defcon | ohw |
| 14:54.05 | ``Erik | my, the thing isn't threaded and doesn't seem to throw child processes, several people playing at the same time would see delays in loading the page O.o |
| 14:55.03 | Defcon | never had any probs with that.. |
| 14:55.15 | Defcon | .ascx file these days i gues |
| 14:55.19 | Defcon | *guess |
| 14:55.50 | Defcon | the ectroverse server stats: http://shell2.skyberate.net:9120/status |
| 14:56.01 | Defcon | Server program CPU usage ( average ) |
| 14:56.01 | Defcon | Total usage : 0.106 % |
| 14:56.01 | Defcon | In user mode : 0.034 % |
| 14:56.02 | Defcon | In kernel mode : 0.072 % |
| 14:56.59 | Defcon | + the whole game only uses 7mb RAM |
| 14:57.08 | Defcon | on the server |
| 14:57.40 | ``Erik | doesn't change the fact that it's completely serial, if I looked at it with a 300 baud modem, anyone else connecting would have to wait until I finished getting the page before they could get theirs |
| 14:58.05 | Defcon | o'rly.. |
| 14:58.23 | Defcon | hopefully u don't do that :) |
| 14:58.36 | Defcon | btw: how do u see that? |
| 14:58.38 | ``Erik | no, I'll use the 1200 baud modem |
| 14:59.10 | Defcon | ok :) |
| 14:59.11 | ``Erik | the C, it's a simple loop, no threading or forking |
| 14:59.57 | Defcon | hmm |
| 15:00.14 | Defcon | it will take some time for me to understand that |
| 15:00.34 | Defcon | i've been looking at his code since he made it in 2002/2003 |
| 15:01.00 | Defcon | and i still don't understand a line from it |
| 15:01.38 | ``Erik | erm, quit looking a that pile and go write some trivial C programs to start learning the language? :D *duck* |
| 15:02.34 | Defcon | haha yeah |
| 15:02.45 | Defcon | but |
| 15:02.47 | Defcon | :p |
| 15:03.01 | Defcon | how do i start learning C :) |
| 15:03.07 | Defcon | in windows btw :) |
| 15:03.18 | ``Erik | download a free compiler? |
| 15:03.27 | Defcon | u know any good ones? |
| 15:04.09 | ``Erik | I usually grab 'cygwin' when I have to do C on windows, but it emulates a unix-ey environment... mingw32 ummmm, djgpp, msys... |
| 15:04.19 | ``Erik | microsoft offers their cc for free I think (but no ide on it) |
| 15:04.44 | Defcon | ok.. |
| 15:04.47 | ``Erik | the first C I wrote on a winderz computer was using 'pcc' and, um, "ultraedit32" to write it |
| 15:04.52 | Defcon | cygwin, i'll google that |
| 15:05.16 | ``Erik | I think lcc is free and available for windows, ummmm |
| 15:05.35 | Defcon | lcc, pcc, ..? |
| 15:05.39 | Defcon | lol |
| 15:05.50 | ``Erik | 'cc' stands for "C compiler" in this context... |
| 15:06.25 | Defcon | i'll be using Notepad++ in stead of ultraedit32 |
| 15:06.29 | Defcon | will that work? |
| 15:06.54 | ``Erik | as long as it cna product ascii text... |
| 15:07.05 | ``Erik | technically, you could do it using 'word' :) |
| 15:07.41 | Defcon | yeah |
| 15:07.47 | ``Erik | if you like living dangerously, 'gvim' and 'emacs' are both available on windows, they're pretty heavy hitting editors with lots of goodies for programmers |
| 15:08.09 | Defcon | but notepad++ has a C markup check thingie |
| 15:08.21 | Defcon | i like living dangerously, but i'm at work atm |
| 15:08.23 | Defcon | so.. :) |
| 15:08.42 | ``Erik | ooh, irc from work, I'd never do anything like that *cough* O:-) |
| 15:08.48 | Defcon | :D |
| 15:10.19 | Defcon | anyway |
| 15:10.20 | Defcon | bbl |
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| 15:39.59 | brlcad | Defcon: there are plenty of good free compilers for windows -- there's mingw, cygwin, and Dev-C++ as well as Visual Studio Express is even free .. I'd suggest starting with that one with your background, then just writing some simple console applications |
| 15:43.42 | Z80-Boy | free as in beer |
| 15:45.09 | Defcon | i have the Visual Studio Professional |
| 15:45.46 | Defcon | so i'm set to go :) |
| 15:45.48 | Defcon | i think |
| 15:47.07 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: I just changed Ronja to use outlined 3D pictures. Now I am recompiling all the pictures this way so when it's finished you can see what it looks like. |
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| 17:12.54 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/rt/ (viewhide.c viewxray.c): AmbientIntensity is already declared in optical.h |
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| 18:30.55 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
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| 20:00.18 | prasad_ | howdy |
| 20:00.19 | prasad_ | :) |
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| 20:23.23 | brlcad | howdy prasad_ |
| 20:23.28 | brlcad | ltns |
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| 20:58.11 | prasad_ | hey hey |
| 21:00.19 | brlcad | how goes it? |
| 21:00.33 | brlcad | knocked up and expecting yet? |
| 21:01.13 | prasad_ | haha nah |
| 21:01.26 | prasad_ | damn wedding reception in a month tho |
| 21:01.28 | prasad_ | pain |
| 21:01.30 | prasad_ | hehe |
| 21:01.44 | prasad_ | how's life at the A-P-G ;) |
| 21:02.04 | brlcad | bout the same as always |
| 21:02.28 | brlcad | some things better, some things worse |
| 21:04.31 | prasad_ | ah so |
| 21:04.43 | prasad_ | m3 still chugging along? |
| 21:05.26 | brlcad | yup yup |
| 21:05.36 | brlcad | even got some fresh blood |
| 21:05.52 | prasad_ | cool cool |
| 21:05.55 | prasad_ | same mgmt? |
| 21:05.57 | ``Erik | oi, prasad |
| 21:06.13 | prasad_ | hey yo |
| 21:06.14 | brlcad | prasad_: as ever, save for acst |
| 21:06.24 | ``Erik | had a going away luncheon for the pm and business analyst today O.o |
| 21:06.33 | prasad_ | whoa |
| 21:06.42 | prasad_ | m3 pm? |
| 21:06.46 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:06.47 | ``Erik | yup |
| 21:06.51 | prasad_ | haha! |
| 21:06.57 | prasad_ | reassigned? |
| 21:07.01 | prasad_ | demoted?? |
| 21:07.06 | prasad_ | *snicker* |
| 21:07.25 | prasad_ | ohh wait |
| 21:08.09 | ``Erik | um, sorta kinda a 'lateral promotion' |
| 21:08.10 | prasad_ | im confusing old pm with new |
| 21:08.10 | prasad_ | doh |
| 21:08.10 | prasad_ | damn.. been a year |
| 21:08.20 | ``Erik | still at the videogame middleware place? vector ui stuff? |
| 21:08.27 | prasad_ | indeed |
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| 21:08.39 | prasad_ | crysis and mass effect |
| 21:08.44 | prasad_ | go get em :P |
| 21:09.04 | ``Erik | dude, wow eats too much of my time already O.o |
| 21:09.13 | ``Erik | I can't be addin' on new gams |
| 21:09.16 | prasad_ | are you serious??? |
| 21:09.17 | prasad_ | hahaha |
| 21:09.22 | prasad_ | never thought u'd cave in |
| 21:09.40 | ``Erik | gf brought the discs over, made me install and try it |
| 21:09.56 | prasad_ | and the addiction spreads |
| 21:09.59 | prasad_ | hehe |
| 21:10.39 | prasad_ | we've got a cpl of wow heads here |
| 21:10.48 | ``Erik | which followed by a group of old friends I talk to on irc jumping into it *sigh* |
| 21:11.29 | prasad_ | what are u upto project wise |
| 21:12.41 | ``Erik | <-- still doing BRL-CAD |
| 21:13.17 | ``Erik | tried to go to cisd, but someone threw 3 tons of red tape on that :/ |
| 21:13.32 | prasad_ | heh by old pm i meant her |
| 21:13.35 | prasad_ | :o |
| 21:13.46 | ``Erik | <-- assumed that |
| 21:14.15 | prasad_ | any ui changes to brlcad? |
| 21:14.18 | prasad_ | or still the same |
| 21:19.03 | starseeker | Sweeet. Ebuild now installs into /usr/lib/brlcad |
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| 21:28.35 | dtidrow_work | http://blogs.intel.com/research/2007/10/real_time_raytracing_the_end_o.html - did you guys comment about this back in Oct.? |
| 21:31.07 | ``Erik | probably, the article lacks some details, so it makes it hard to be certain |
| 21:31.48 | ``Erik | intel has a few big raytracing pushes going on, including a couple regular presenters at siggraph *shrug* one would almost think they're serious :) |
| 21:36.22 | prasad_ | u guys get a cluster of ps3s yet? :P |
| 21:39.35 | prasad_ | heh im sure they could |
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| 22:10.12 | Twingy | hi prasad |
| 22:20.19 | prasad_ | hey justin |
| 22:20.25 | prasad_ | wassup |
| 22:31.21 | prasad_ | some in game screens of crysis if u havent seen em already: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=165243 |
| 22:38.41 | Twingy | very nice! |
| 22:39.07 | brlcad | dtidrow_work: yeah, commented and duly yawned on it .. intel has been (rightly) pushing ray-tracing to supplant raster for a couple years now -- the real trick is going to be opengl hooks to (easily) allow it, which is still pretty far off (programmability isn't suficient) |
| 22:39.58 | brlcad | too much of a moving target, and the cpu-based approaches while good aren't nearly even as open as opengl was at its inception (nor as well coordinated) |
| 22:40.53 | brlcad | prasad_: thems rather impressive screenshots |
| 22:41.01 | prasad_ | rastered ;) |
| 22:41.08 | brlcad | yep, very nice |
| 22:41.22 | prasad_ | ~1-2M tris |
| 22:42.10 | brlcad | prasad_: and how many procedural shaders? :) |
| 22:42.11 | prasad_ | to be fair that example isn't really feasible for a game |
| 22:42.23 | prasad_ | maybe in about 2 gfx hw cycles, they'll get good perf |
| 22:42.46 | brlcad | yeah.. 1GB mem use is a bit intense for commodity |
| 22:42.47 | prasad_ | quite a lot, but cryengine's editor is mighty easy to use |
| 22:42.59 | prasad_ | that's RAM usage btw |
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| 22:43.09 | brlcad | ah, fun |
| 22:43.25 | brlcad | wonder how much tex mem |
| 22:44.01 | prasad_ | id say prolly around 200 |
| 22:45.39 | prasad_ | iirc one of our devs is going to present a paper at the next siggraph |
| 22:45.44 | prasad_ | wonder if they'll let me go :P |
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| 22:49.51 | prasad_ | brlcad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBp3LxAetHk |
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| 23:12.46 | starseeker | This should at least put brl-cad in the "proper" location - now we're probably down to calling the autogen.sh script and the hostility to using internal copies of libs (some of which don't even HAVE ebuilds yet for their stand-alone versions...) |
| 23:18.40 | louipc | starseeker: where do you put the executables? |
| 23:20.16 | starseeker | louipc: /usr/lib/brlcad/bin |
| 23:20.22 | starseeker | louipc: Then I add that to PATH |
| 23:20.30 | starseeker | (gentoo has a mechanism for that) |
| 23:22.51 | starseeker | louipc: Got a gentoo box handy? ;-) |
| 23:23.47 | louipc | nope |
| 23:24.14 | louipc | hmm I might look into doing the same for my pkg |
| 23:24.31 | starseeker | It's the only safe way to stick it in the /usr tree |
| 23:24.42 | starseeker | And they're quite insistent about it not going anywhere else... |
| 23:24.50 | louipc | hehe yeah |
| 23:25.39 | starseeker | I also add /usr/lib/brlcad/man to the MANPATH, so man mged does something useful too ;-) |
| 23:25.47 | louipc | but brlcad is a huge package, my distro would probably be ok with it being in /opt also considering the potential conflicts, but there's been an initiative recently to move things to /usr |
| 23:26.22 | louipc | you could probably put the manpages in the regular manpath non? |
| 23:26.50 | brlcad | i am not! |
| 23:26.56 | starseeker | Only if no internal tcl/tk goodies are installed - they conflict with system packages |
| 23:26.58 | brlcad | I'm rather short, actually |
| 23:27.45 | louipc | oh right hah |
| 23:28.11 | starseeker | Eventually Gentoo would probably be able to supply enough external libs that the internal ones wouldn't be needed, but that'll be a long struggle |
| 23:28.29 | starseeker | (considering we're coming up on the THREE YEAR MARK for the main brl-cad bug... ahem) |
| 23:28.32 | brlcad | but I do _have_ a huge package *ahem* |
| 23:28.37 | brlcad | er, never mind |
| 23:28.43 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:29.02 | louipc | brlcad: good to know |
| 23:29.03 | brlcad | thank you, I'm here all week |
| 23:29.12 | brlcad | try the lobster bisque |
| 23:29.26 | louipc | now I'm hungry |
| 23:29.35 | starseeker | mmm food... |
| 23:29.58 | louipc | I think I'll go buy some RAM |
| 23:30.10 | starseeker | That's rather crunchy |
| 23:30.14 | brlcad | hehe, "And what exactly are you supposed to do when printf() returns false? Display an error message? " |
| 23:30.31 | starseeker | I think you have the computer yell something ;-) |
| 23:31.42 | louipc | make it emit a foul odour |
| 23:34.00 | louipc | I wonder what scent static or white noise would smell like |
| 23:34.32 | starseeker | Maybe that's what I smell when I walk by a perfume counter in a department store... |
| 23:38.25 | louipc | nice |
| 23:49.06 | louipc | indeed! |
| 23:49.22 | starseeker | Considering how old the system is, there's a lot of stuff there - compresses down with gzip to slightly over 118 megs |
| 23:58.00 | ``Erik | er |
| 23:58.11 | ``Erik | you had three sushi lunches, dude |