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| 01:56.28 | Lucifer | so, for those of us who are cad-illiterate, is brl-cad a functionally complete replacement for autocad for machines? |
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| 02:01.13 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/YDzIAj85.html <---- this didn't happen last time, dunno why this time |
| 02:02.17 | IriX64 | must be me, ah well |
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| 18:17.46 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/SoT44O89.html <--- not too familiar with cvs, what's this? |
| 18:19.21 | IriX64 | bearing in mind i'm starting from scratch |
| 18:24.24 | IriX64 | can't be too serious i got my checkout :) |
| 18:40.29 | IriX64 | yukonbob: i tried tcl/tk8.4 and it compiles, but at runtime i get a complaint of needing tcl8.5 :( |
| 18:41.40 | IriX64 | from itcl that is |
| 18:42.29 | IriX64 | he say: "so use tcl8.5" ;) |
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| 21:24.39 | yukonbob | IriX64: what generated the error; depending on that, I'd be curious to see your build... I've been using tcl/tk 8.4 and associated libs w/o problems for a while... |
| 21:25.05 | IriX64 | itcl said it needed 8.5 |
| 21:25.27 | yukonbob | from running mged, I take it? |
| 21:25.36 | IriX64 | yes |
| 21:25.43 | IriX64 | on 7.11.0 build |
| 21:28.43 | yukonbob | well, the itcl/itk binary libs might be (probably are) linked against what they hope are tcl/tk8.5, which is _not_ what you want... I'm running itcl/itk "current (20040920)" built against tcl/tk 8.4 w/o issues |
| 21:29.29 | IriX64 | I see ... i think you're right in that |
| 21:30.39 | IriX64 | if I ever get this thing running, I think I'll "freeze" the code tree :) |
| 21:31.58 | yukonbob | if you build or install itk/itcl the same way you put tcl/tk 8.4 on your system, instead of relying on the brl-cad distributed bits, you'll fare better... make sure you're using the already installed/properly working tcl/tk 8.4, and itcl/itk, w/o building from the brl-cad distributed source. the .tgz ships with _everything_ for completeness' sake, but you're not obligated to build from it -- in fact there are good reasons to _not_ build with it... |
| 21:32.29 | IriX64 | noted |
| 21:32.42 | yukonbob | did you use the notes/diffs I posted earlier for modifying the configure.ac, etc? |
| 21:33.10 | IriX64 | didn't take much fiddling, i'm pretty good at that schtuff |
| 21:34.32 | IriX64 | hehe stereo compiles, 7.8.4 vs 7.11.0 :) |
| 21:37.24 | yukonbob | IriX64: re: fiddling -- cool... you might want to compare notes in any event even if you do your own fiddling; the work I've done to date works, and might help you get a working compile too. Then we can compare methods/results once you're up/running... |
| 21:37.44 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/stereo.png |
| 21:37.55 | IriX64 | understood yukonbob, thanks |
| 21:49.13 | IriX64 | err murphy too |
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| 22:27.55 | ``Erik | um |
| 22:28.30 | ``Erik | if you build itcl from the brlcad repo and use a system installed tcl, if the system tcl is not the exact same version as the one in src/other/tcl (8.5a6), it will fail |
| 22:29.19 | ``Erik | the 'easy' way to fix it is to edit the init.tcl script in src/other/tcl/library and around ~20ish lines in, there'll be a "require" line with an "exact version" argument, change the 8.5a6 to your system tcl version |
| 22:30.08 | ``Erik | the 'real' way to fix it is to make all the itcl stuff, ampi stuff, etc know to use the systems init.tcl instead of the hardcoded path to the included init.tcl |
| 22:30.10 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:45.13 | IriX64 | he says calmly... pffft on that it should just "know" :) |
| 22:47.51 | IriX64 | i'm tempted to set DON'T_HAVE_CONFIG_H....act accordingly :) |
| 22:51.21 | IriX64 | mmmmm unlimber 9mm, fire at foot |
| 22:51.47 | yukonbob | ``Erik: or complete remove the "-exact Tcl [blahblah]", and just use "package require Tcl" and let it pick the best one available... |
| 22:54.03 | yukonbob | ...or use your systems (or orig. distribution of itcl/itk) and let them sort it out, and manage those things (tcl, tk, itcl, itk, tkimg, etc) seperately, instead of from w/i a big build like "brlcad, incl. tcl, tcl, tkimg, itk, itcl, libpng, liburt, jove, etc., etc.) |
| 22:57.09 | ``Erik | yeah *shrug* that file is straight from tcl |
| 22:58.15 | ``Erik | <-- favor of the "let the package maintainer deal with the dependancies" angle |
| 22:58.21 | ``Erik | in favor of, even |
| 22:58.23 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 22:58.48 | ``Erik | there are issues with that, though, with version requirements and shtuff |
| 23:09.40 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/TaNn2860.html <--- someone... this is a prob here, is it a prob elsewhere? |
| 23:16.01 | IriX64 | wtf is g-nmg, and why is it compiling here ;) |
| 23:19.04 | ``Erik | a G to NMG converter |
| 23:19.28 | IriX64 | urfff something else i'll prolly never use :) |
| 23:20.19 | IriX64 | heh photon mapping is a huge yes :) |
| 23:21.31 | IriX64 | i checked out today thankyou :) |
| 23:22.46 | louipc | IriX64: what file is that in? |
| 23:23.08 | IriX64 | read the description |
| 23:23.27 | louipc | ah |
| 23:26.38 | louipc | what's it setting it to? |
| 23:26.50 | IriX64 | its set to nothing ie "" |
| 23:27.24 | IriX64 | i manually set it to -L/usr/X11R6/lib, that works on *my system |
| 23:27.31 | louipc | you should investigate XLIBSW I think |
| 23:27.39 | louipc | tcl.m4: XLIBSW="-L$i -lX11" |
| 23:28.06 | IriX64 | louipc it has to be told *where to find X11 |
| 23:29.04 | louipc | aye you have a really odd system too eh? so ./configure might not find it |
| 23:29.20 | IriX64 | right thats why i said on *my system |
| 23:29.41 | louipc | is it just cygwin? |
| 23:29.53 | louipc | or is it a messed up cygwin? hehe |
| 23:29.57 | IriX64 | thats what i'm asking :) |
| 23:30.05 | louipc | I dunno I don't use it |
| 23:30.27 | louipc | you might want to submit a patch or something for it to work with cygwin |
| 23:30.56 | IriX64 | on the bright side i'm currently at rtserver, a point hitherto unreached before :) |
| 23:31.18 | louipc | cool |
| 23:31.40 | IriX64 | louipc: i don't do patches, build from scratch if neccessary ;) |
| 23:32.23 | IriX64 | afk |
| 23:32.30 | louipc | why not, your contribution could benefit other cygwin users if it's a standard cygwin setup |
| 23:33.26 | IriX64 | I have to agree with brlcad, i'm too edit-happy for such |
| 23:33.31 | IriX64 | :) |
| 23:33.55 | louipc | looks like a few lines starting at 2411 in tcl.m4 would need adding to |
| 23:34.25 | louipc | (at line 2411) |
| 23:35.00 | louipc | heh I don't like to have to edit the same thing more than is necessary (eg. once) |
| 23:36.53 | louipc | and all your progress might end up for nothing if for example you decide to do something else for awhile and forget what exactly you need to do. :P |
| 23:37.36 | yukonbob | IriX64: louipc++ -- building patches is where it's at -- _especially_ if you don't like doing it -- since if it's accepted (or used as a basis for improvement) you may never need to do it again ;) |
| 23:38.13 | louipc | yeah and even if you have a weird ass system, just keep a patch for yourself |
| 23:38.24 | louipc | untar, patch, configure, make |
| 23:40.01 | yukonbob | might even help one figure out _why_ a system is weird, and allow to fix problem at root (ie: "unweird" your system ;) |
| 23:40.35 | louipc | lol |
| 23:42.15 | IriX64 | forget it i'm not about to build a cygwin firefox, they have a windoze version, use it :) |
| 23:43.19 | louipc | yeah no point |
| 23:43.33 | IriX64 | irssi however ;) |
| 23:45.09 | IriX64 | starting parallel compiles of 7.8.4 and 7.11.0 is an exercise in patience :) |
| 23:45.30 | IriX64 | but i wanted to see what the system could do |
| 23:46.54 | louipc | I remember building tcl/tk on mingw that was cool |
| 23:47.35 | IriX64 | yukonbob:insert diddler, tweak cpu clock to max, back out one quarter turn :) |
| 23:48.32 | yukonbob | louipc: are you running brl-cad on Windows natively? |
| 23:55.12 | IriX64 | ``Erik package_require blahblah, if i #package_require blahblah, will it fly? |
| 23:55.26 | louipc | yukonbob: no I haven't run windows for 4 yrs or so |
| 23:59.22 | yukonbob | IriX64: no |
| 23:59.39 | yukonbob | ...and it's "package require", not "package_require" |
| 23:59.52 | yukonbob | that's a tcl command to load external code. |
