| 00:19.23 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * 10brlcad/doc/book/VolumeII.xml: Markup complete through Lesson 1. |
| 00:22.14 | starseeker | <author>starseeker</author><speaking voice="mutter">is going to be dreaming of markup</speaking><emoticon>;-)</emoticon> |
| 00:25.17 | louipc | <slang type="internet">LOL</slang> ? |
| 00:27.09 | starseeker | It was OK until I looked at how far I had to go ;-) |
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| 09:18.39 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: you said it's possible to make a cartoon-style pen drawing rendering by overlaying rt and rtedge output by <i_forgot_the_name> command. |
| 09:19.00 | Z80-Boy | But that means calculating twice as long. Is it possible that the output be generated only by a single calculation? |
| 09:25.48 | Maloeran | I wouldn't have expected rtedge to take as long as the raytrace |
| 09:26.09 | Z80-Boy | good |
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| 11:56.56 | Maloeran | Does anyone know the origin of this famous picture/video where a man walks in front of a column of tanks and manage to stop it during a military parade? |
| 11:57.06 | Maloeran | Or any other information that might be relevant |
| 12:03.55 | brlcad | eh, that was the infamous Tiananmen Square protest |
| 12:03.59 | brlcad | back in 1989 |
| 12:05.10 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: pixmatte or pixmerge |
| 12:07.46 | Maloeran | Right I got it, thanks |
| 12:10.53 | Maloeran | Seems hard to order a print of this picture in order to frame it |
| 12:17.00 | brlcad | probably because it's copyrighted :) |
| 12:17.05 | brlcad | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4727787930108202470 |
| 12:17.48 | Maloeran | Well sure, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be possible to pay for it :) |
| 12:20.45 | Maloeran | I guess I'll have to find something else |
| 12:22.53 | brlcad | http://cgi.ebay.com/TIANANMEN-SQUARE-TANKS-CHINA-TANK-MAN-24x34-POSTER_W0QQitemZ190154453851QQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:23.52 | Maloeran | Oh :), looks like I wasn't looking at the right place |
| 12:24.36 | brlcad | http://www.popartuk.com/photography/the-unknown-rebel-pp0893-poster.asp |
| 12:25.31 | brlcad | maybe just what you're searching on, he is known as "tank man" |
| 12:25.38 | Maloeran | I happen to really wonder how I had my keywords wrong |
| 12:25.45 | Maloeran | I tried that too |
| 12:29.55 | Maloeran | Thanks brlcad, I'm getting it shipped |
| 12:31.17 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: could you please advise on the problem I have with saving the config file? |
| 12:45.30 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: I did, day before yesterday.. probabaly a recently introduced problem (like as of last week) |
| 12:45.59 | brlcad | remember that you're working off of head now, you've got the latest .. and I think that problem seems related from what you said it was complaining about (z clipping) |
| 12:46.20 | brlcad | test would be to revert the zclipping change and see if that makes a difference |
| 12:46.45 | brlcad | i'll have to dig through the changelog to see what exactly that change was |
| 12:52.57 | Z80-Boy | Do you think the videos would look better if rtedge-style contours were overlaid over the picture? |
| 13:09.08 | ``Erik | ('cept with tank dude, he was drug into the crowds by onlookers and thousands of people died in chinas response to a peaceful hunger strike) |
| 13:20.07 | ``Erik | z80: there are a few options, I don't think you'd like any of 'em... 1) raytrace both the image and the rtedge copy and merge 'em 2) raytrace the image and pass the output through a sorbel filter (like in imagemagick or gimp) and compose them, 3) write a new shader that does it for ya |
| 13:20.50 | ``Erik | cell shader might be a fun project *scratches chin* |
| 14:04.58 | Z80-Boy | I have set compile flags CFLAGS to -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium3 -pipe |
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| 14:05.12 | Z80-Boy | Does it take effect during brl-cad compilation or does BRL-CAD set it's own optimizer flags? |
| 14:05.22 | Z80-Boy | I have a feeling that the rendering is very slow |
| 14:08.04 | Z80-Boy | Is there a man rt? |
| 14:09.04 | ``Erik | yes |
| 14:09.12 | ``Erik | there is a manpage |
| 14:09.16 | Z80-Boy | man rt, brlman rt - nothing |
| 14:09.37 | ``Erik | and um, unless you do --enable-optimized, CFLAGS will be respected |
| 14:09.57 | ``Erik | actually, CFLAGS will still be repected, but enable-optimized glues most stuff to it like -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer ... |
| 14:10.07 | ``Erik | MANPATH=/usr/brlcad/share/man man rt |
| 14:10.26 | ``Erik | erm, that's bourne style, uh, I dunno how to do it in csh |
| 14:10.27 | Z80-Boy | so there are already 3 different methods to get a manpage |
| 14:10.33 | ``Erik | well |
| 14:10.40 | ``Erik | man searches $MANPATH |
| 14:10.55 | ``Erik | so adding /usr/brlcad/share/man to the MANPATH is how to make normal man work |
| 14:11.07 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't use brlman, which I THINK just adds to MANPATH and calls man |
| 14:12.41 | Z80-Boy | When I add /usr/brlcad/share/man to /etc/man.conf, it still doesn't work |
| 14:12.49 | Z80-Boy | Maloeran: is there a faster rt? |
| 14:12.59 | ``Erik | indeed, brlman is a simple shell script, heh |
| 14:13.03 | Z80-Boy | does it use linked lists to search for the primitives? |
| 14:13.05 | Maloeran | Well, mine's quite fast but it's not integrated into BRL-CAD |
| 14:13.05 | ``Erik | that adds stuff to MANPATH |
| 14:13.27 | ``Erik | yours doesn't do the large set of implicite primitives nor csg operations, mal... :) |
| 14:13.40 | Maloeran | Pft, long live triangles! :) |
| 14:13.47 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 14:14.04 | Maloeran | 50-100fps on raytracing is still amusing |
| 14:14.09 | ``Erik | ok, lets model a sphere and see who gets more accurate results and a smaller data file :) |
| 14:14.11 | Z80-Boy | You cannot make a cylinder, torus, sphere, ellipsoid, paraboloid or cone from triangles no matter how many triangles you use. |
| 14:15.00 | Maloeran | You can get close enough so that the fact that triangles are used has no impact on the rendering |
| 14:15.10 | Maloeran | You would still use CSG, just convert to triangles for rendering |
| 14:15.11 | ``Erik | oh, and lets talk engineering precision, not visual precision, we can talk about accepting 10 micrometers of error on a motor vehicle sized thing :) |
| 14:15.31 | ``Erik | because, y'know, we want it for engineering purposes, not just pretty pictures |
| 14:16.14 | Maloeran | I never really got into the weird curved triangle surfaces I described long ago, it would have been nice for raytracing |
| 14:16.36 | Maloeran | Reasonably fast to intersect for rays, much more friendly to describe curved surfaces |
| 14:17.00 | Z80-Boy | for that I need to figure out the lights |
| 14:17.17 | Z80-Boy | and that means again finding out that everything I stumble upon is insufficiently documented to be able to work with |
| 14:17.32 | ``Erik | didja get the rt manpage up? |
| 14:17.36 | Z80-Boy | no |
| 14:17.42 | Z80-Boy | only with explicit prefix |
| 14:17.43 | ``Erik | where is brlcad installed to? |
| 14:17.47 | ``Erik | oh, so you did, heh |
| 14:17.50 | Z80-Boy | /usr/brlcad |
| 14:18.04 | Z80-Boy | no I don't want to type half a line prefix every time I run man |
| 14:18.16 | Z80-Boy | everything in the system works on man, only BRL-CAD is a specialty |
| 14:18.23 | ``Erik | take a look at the brlman script, it SHOULD stay 'MANPATH="/usr/brlcad/man"' somewhere in it? |
| 14:18.30 | ``Erik | and, uh, you can set the environment variable |
| 14:18.46 | ``Erik | setenv MANPATH $MANPATH:/usr/brlcad/share/man # for csh |
| 14:18.53 | Maloeran | Ah, it's horrible. You must begin to find me annoying with that, but I'm still unable to focus, think and work, love has completely messed up my mind |
| 14:18.57 | Z80-Boy | but brlman rt doesn't work |
| 14:18.58 | ``Erik | export MANPATH=$MANPATH:/usr/brlcad/share/man # for sh |
| 14:19.31 | ``Erik | your brlman may be ... odd... did you move your install? it's a pretty simple shell script |
| 14:19.48 | ``Erik | mebbe you don't have awf? |
| 14:20.15 | ``Erik | oh, shoot, I brought my parallels cd back, so I can reinstall it and run obsd41 again, I'll try to take a look at it :D lemme go get it out of my car |
| 14:20.16 | Z80-Boy | wihcclock@kestrel:~$ awf |
| 14:20.16 | Z80-Boy | /usr/brlcad/bin/awf: must specify -ms or -man |
| 14:20.35 | ``Erik | um |
| 14:20.37 | Z80-Boy | the brlman script is somehow complicated inside |
| 14:20.51 | ``Erik | complicated? O.o |
| 14:20.57 | Z80-Boy | does it work on your OpenBSD? |
| 14:21.07 | Z80-Boy | it looks for |
| 14:21.12 | Z80-Boy | /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.10.3/man |
| 14:21.12 | ``Erik | I dunno, it's a vm and I need to reinstall the vm software to start it |
| 14:21.15 | Z80-Boy | ${path_to_this}/../share/brlcad/7.10.3/man |
| 14:21.19 | Z80-Boy | ${path_to_this}/../man |
| 14:21.23 | Z80-Boy | /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.10.3/man |
| 14:21.27 | Z80-Boy | /usr/brlcad/man |
| 14:21.42 | Z80-Boy | what's the point of having brlcad twice on the path? |
| 14:21.55 | ``Erik | and what does "find /usr/brlcad/ -name rt.1" tell you? |
| 14:22.10 | Z80-Boy | /usr/brlcad/share/man/man1/rt.1 |
| 14:22.21 | ``Erik | iiiinteresting |
| 14:22.28 | ``Erik | your brlman is broken, wonder how that happened |
| 14:22.34 | Z80-Boy | brlman rt mdoesn't do anything |
| 14:23.05 | Z80-Boy | I just downloaded 1.10.3 from CVS compiled installed |
| 14:23.15 | Z80-Boy | before that I deleted /usr/brlcad to make sure there isn't anything left over |
| 14:23.50 | Z80-Boy | What I don't understand is why man doesn't work when I add that directory to man.conf |
| 14:25.31 | ``Erik | <-- not sure, perhaps it's cached somewhere? do ya need to rebuild the whatis db or something? |
| 14:26.02 | Z80-Boy | man man.conf doesn't contain the word "rebuild" |
| 14:27.44 | Z80-Boy | Still doesn't work |
| 14:27.56 | ``Erik | interesting |
| 14:28.21 | ``Erik | is it read on login? if you ssh into your own box or hop down to a vc and do a fresh login, does it work? |
| 14:28.52 | Z80-Boy | clock@kestrel:~$ ssh clock@localhost |
| 14:28.52 | Z80-Boy | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:28.52 | Z80-Boy | @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
| 14:28.52 | Z80-Boy | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:29.15 | Z80-Boy | The sole purpose of this message is to make sure people will ignore a man in the middle attack in the case it really happens |
| 14:29.24 | ``Erik | heh, regenerated sshd keys since you last logged into yourself, aapparently |
| 14:30.02 | Z80-Boy | if this happens I delete ~/.ssh/known_hosts and always enter "yes" without even looking at the fingerprint |
| 14:30.30 | Z80-Boy | If ssh was designed to be secure, they would make sure man in the middle attack is reported only when the key doesn't match and not every other day. |
| 14:30.45 | Z80-Boy | No, it doesn't work even through ssh. |
| 14:30.56 | ``Erik | what's "manpath" tell you? |
| 14:31.09 | Z80-Boy | bash: manpath: command not found |
| 14:31.33 | ``Erik | huh |
| 14:31.47 | ``Erik | <-- fbsd user, not obsd... :) |
| 14:33.10 | ``Erik | ffs, stupid fucking corporate image fucking bullshit... brb |
| 14:56.31 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 14:56.56 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: it probably would look better, usually does (rtedge overlay) |
| 14:57.43 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: any idea, why my "brlman rt" doesn't work, and why I cannot save the config file? |
| 14:57.56 | Z80-Boy | Can the CVS code be in an inconsistent state? |
| 14:58.04 | ``Erik | BRLCAD_ROOT and BRLCAD_PREFIX were expanded wrong in generating brlman |
| 14:58.26 | ``Erik | <-- sorta kinda seen similar differences in expansion on fbsd, is checking out a fresh cvs copy on obsd41 now |
| 14:58.36 | Z80-Boy | ``Erik: cool |
| 14:58.57 | ``Erik | yes |
| 14:59.33 | ``Erik | sucks, cuz every day I want to use it, I have to install, reboot, let it upgrade, reboot again, THEN I can use it |
| 15:01.41 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: damn, I've answered you three times on the config file now... :) |
| 15:01.43 | Z80-Boy | looks like brlman <anything> doesn't work |
| 15:01.48 | Z80-Boy | It definitely worked before |
| 15:01.54 | brlcad | it's a recent problem .. probably VERY recent |
| 15:02.12 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: what were the previous 2 answers? Also "damn"? :) |
| 15:02.20 | brlcad | just has to be looked at, and nobody has looked at it yet |
| 15:02.25 | Z80-Boy | aha |
| 15:02.33 | ``Erik | sed -i.bak 's,brlcad/7.10.3/,,' /usr/brlcad/bin/brlman |
| 15:02.36 | ``Erik | *cough* |
| 15:02.47 | brlcad | damn frustrating that you've asked the same thing three time and ignored or missed my responses each time to which I answered |
| 15:02.51 | Z80-Boy | sed: unknown option -- i |
| 15:02.57 | ``Erik | wow, obsd sucks |
| 15:03.02 | Z80-Boy | I don't remember I got the response |
| 15:03.08 | brlcad | exactly my point |
| 15:03.33 | ``Erik | mv /usr/brlcad/bin/brlman /tmp/ && sed s,brlcad/7.10.3/,, /tmp/brlman > /usr/brlcad/bin/brlman && rm /tmp/brlman |
| 15:03.48 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: is there a command I could write manually into the .mgedrc to turn model space axes on in all 4 multipanes? |
| 15:03.59 | brlcad | also, the manpath issue really is just a basic system setup problem -- brlman should also work, but so should man |
| 15:04.05 | Z80-Boy | looks like .mgedrc consists of commands |
| 15:04.12 | brlcad | there's absolutely nothing special about the manpath that is special to brl-cad |
| 15:04.20 | brlcad | it's just another path like any other |
| 15:04.49 | Z80-Boy | does it mean it's not a bug of BRL-CAD? |
| 15:05.06 | ``Erik | for using 'man'? no, it's an issue with openbsd's man, probably user error |
| 15:05.10 | brlcad | that brlman doesn't work is a problem in brlman, yes |
| 15:05.14 | ``Erik | brlman not working IS our stick, though |
| 15:05.18 | brlcad | but that man doesn't, heck no .. that's a problem between you and your OS |
| 15:05.22 | brlcad | pebkac |
| 15:05.49 | brlcad | already noted |
| 15:06.02 | ``Erik | c'mon, dude, you use obsd, you should know more than the average clueless linux dork ;) *duck* |
| 15:06.07 | brlcad | it works here, so it's gotta be something obsd specific I'm guessing |
| 15:06.26 | ``Erik | well, it relates to something I saw on fbsd |
| 15:06.30 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: there are things like "set mged_default(max_text_lines) 10000" -> is there something like "set multipane(all_windows)"? |
| 15:06.34 | brlcad | fire up ssh access again, and I"ll look at it |
| 15:06.47 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: evening |
| 15:06.47 | ``Erik | remember when I was asking if you'd mucked with the datadir ? |
| 15:06.51 | ``Erik | <-- running his obsd vm |
| 15:06.57 | ``Erik | <-- looking into it right now... *cough* |
| 15:07.01 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: now I am behing the No Access Translator |
| 15:07.46 | brlcad | whenever, there's just only so much that can be done when the problem seems to be limited to just that environment .. what were your configure options? |
| 15:08.09 | Z80-Boy | no options just ./configure |
| 15:11.32 | brlcad | then yeah, probably just some shell assumption in the brlman script .. what does "which awf" report? |
| 15:11.58 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:12.02 | ``Erik | scroll up, brlcad |
| 15:12.06 | ``Erik | we already know the issue |
| 15:12.28 | brlcad | we do? |
| 15:12.49 | ``Erik | yes, BRLCAD_DATA was expanded weird, perhaps between two seperate configure runs |
| 15:13.08 | brlcad | oh, the share/man |
| 15:13.14 | ``Erik | in his installed brlman, he has MANPATH=/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.10.3/man and his man files are in /usr/brlcad/share/man/ |
| 15:15.55 | Z80-Boy | clock@kestrel:~$ which awf |
| 15:15.55 | Z80-Boy | /usr/brlcad/bin/awf |
| 15:16.46 | Z80-Boy | can you please turn on axes in multipane, save the .mgedrc and then find the magical command in .mgedrc which turns the multipanes on? |
| 15:17.21 | brlcad | you can be really impatient, you know that? :) |
| 15:17.32 | brlcad | do you want me to look at the brlman thing, or the multipane thing? |
| 15:17.46 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: don't you remember the command by hart? |
| 15:18.00 | brlcad | hah, of course not |
| 15:18.32 | ``Erik | <-- already on the brlman thing... O.o |
| 15:18.32 | Z80-Boy | is there some list of these commands somewhere? |
| 15:18.34 | brlcad | if I knew it by heart, don't you think I would have said something an hour ago when you first mentioned it? :) |
| 15:18.46 | Z80-Boy | no |
| 15:18.53 | brlcad | or half-hour, whenver it was |
| 15:19.09 | brlcad | well, i would have |
| 15:19.19 | Z80-Boy | sometimes I get an impression that you cannot process things fast enough from me and skip some of them |
| 15:19.25 | brlcad | you can't keep a million lines in context *all* the time |
| 15:19.52 | ``Erik | <-- lucky to keep 4 :D |
| 15:20.51 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: I DO skip them.. when you start complaining about a new issue. if you don't I'm still working on the problem or something that I was working on before you reported the issue |
| 15:20.59 | ``Erik | (building automake shtuff on obsd41, has a fresh cvs co to test this crap on) |
| 15:21.05 | brlcad | all a matter of priorities.. I can't just drop everything when you can't figure out how to set your own MANPATH ;) |
| 15:22.08 | Z80-Boy | lol :) |
| 15:23.43 | brlcad | ``Erik: I suspect it's just a matter of default manpath (in Makefile, after configure) is set to prefix/man instead of datadir/man .. quick fix should be to just add a search dir for BRLCAD_ROOT/man to brlman.in |
| 15:24.24 | brlcad | as well as 'maybe' set mandir when datadir is changed in configure.ac .. dunno, that seems kinda error prone |
| 15:24.26 | ``Erik | possibly, let me get a full-on build on obsd... last time, I just copied the directory from fbsd, so I didn't have all the auto crap in |
| 15:24.35 | ``Erik | and I'm seeing... interesting behavior out of autogen.sh right now :) |
| 15:24.58 | brlcad | oh? ran fine for me on z80's obsd |
| 15:25.12 | ``Erik | yes, he has some stuff set up that I don't |
| 15:25.31 | ``Erik | <--- starting from a bare install with default environment |
| 15:26.19 | brlcad | oh right, it does search brlcad_root/man already .. it's not just prefix/man .. default must be something like pkg_datadir/man or something |
| 15:27.02 | brlcad | well, I did have to set the env vars that the autoconf/automake scripts bitched about, but that was pretty benign |
| 15:27.12 | ``Erik | that's what I'm looking at |
| 15:27.29 | ``Erik | you have the variables set in autogen.sh, but you comment "2.52 or better", and never checkk for "better" |
| 15:28.32 | ``Erik | bleh, I'll just set the variables and move on :) |
| 15:28.56 | brlcad | hm? it does a minimum check |
| 15:29.41 | ``Erik | "AUTOMAKE_VERSION=1.9 AUTOCONF_VERSION=2.59 LIBTOOL_VERSION=1.5.22 ./autogen.sh" works, ./autogen.sh does not, complains that it cannot find autoconf |
| 15:30.21 | brlcad | setting the env vars is imposed by the obsd wrappers, there's not really any way to compensate -- they don't report a version, so autogen.sh can't identify them as autoconf |
| 15:30.28 | Z80-Boy | ``Erik: yes on OBSD you have set these annoying variables before calling any auto-crap tool |
| 15:30.31 | brlcad | from the scripts perspective, that is not autoconf, and it's right |
| 15:30.46 | brlcad | it's a wrapper .. and that wrapper doesn't work until the var is set |
| 15:31.00 | ``Erik | freebsd used to require calling them at autoconf259 and automake19 before they pulled their heads out of their asses, heh |
| 15:31.11 | Z80-Boy | lol |
| 15:32.36 | ``Erik | now they have wrappers that search for 'best version' if not being told which to use |
| 15:32.53 | brlcad | I thought about whether there was anything automatic that can be done for the vars, like try auto-setting AUTOCONF_VERSION=minimum_version_here .. and reinvoking autogen.sh for the user, but that won't work -- the wrapper expects that specific version |
| 15:33.27 | brlcad | so you'd have to do a locate or have a table of possibilities, and that's nfg |
| 15:35.57 | brlcad | last mult |
| 15:36.11 | ``Erik | /bin/ls `which automake`-* | sort -n | tail -n 1 | sed 's/.*-//' |
| 15:36.26 | Z80-Boy | 1.9 |
| 15:36.32 | brlcad | yeah, that seems exceptionally "nfg" to me :) |
| 15:36.39 | ``Erik | heh, that was for brlcad, not you, clock :) |
| 15:37.05 | Z80-Boy | But it works even on OpenBSD, which is impressive. |
| 15:37.06 | brlcad | maybe if another OS does the same thing |
| 15:37.54 | Z80-Boy | ``Erik: into which script would this autodetect code have to go? |
| 15:38.06 | Z80-Boy | autogen? configure? |
| 15:38.13 | brlcad | autogen.sh |
| 15:38.15 | ``Erik | I'd imagine autogen.sh, but brlcad doesn't like it, so *shrug* obsd suffers for being an outlyer |
| 15:38.35 | Z80-Boy | but that's because I ran autogen.sh on OpenBSD? |
| 15:38.43 | brlcad | it's also not "the obsd way" .. they apparently want their users to set those env vars |
| 15:38.50 | ``Erik | n/m some of the horrors in the code to just support irix, or just support unicos :D |
| 15:38.54 | Z80-Boy | If the developer ran it on Linux, made a sharp version I loaded the sharp versionf rom a .tgz and compiled, then it would work, right? |
| 15:39.21 | brlcad | ``Erik: except NONE of them to date resort to scanning the filesystem or relying on things like makewhatis |
| 15:39.23 | ``Erik | yes, if you ran autogen.sh on linux, it'd "just work", same for most os's |
| 15:39.34 | Z80-Boy | Or could the script say "autoconf not foung please make sure that if you type autoconf you get autoconf running, on OpenBSD you have to set up some obscure variables"? |
| 15:40.38 | brlcad | I thought about adding the same searching for freebsd when they would install the bin/autoconf-* without the symlinks .. but in the end the user really still needs to add that symlink regardless |
| 15:41.22 | Z80-Boy | Does the autogen.sh require that "autoconf" runs Autoconf and not some bloody script that prints an error message? |
| 15:41.24 | ``Erik | but fbsd has 8 users, that's a lot more than the 3 of obsd ;) *duck* |
| 15:41.30 | Z80-Boy | lol :) |
| 15:41.39 | Z80-Boy | Theo de Raadt, me and who's the third one? |
| 15:42.00 | ``Erik | I forget the name, but he pipes up in #bsdcode on efnet once in a while |
| 15:42.02 | ``Erik | :D |
| 15:42.50 | ``Erik | (unless you do kernel or core system development, you probably don't want to go there, they make ME seem like a well-mannered politic sweatheart) |
| 15:43.16 | brlcad | hey, if you can think of a way to get it to just work without searching, I'm all for addin git |
| 15:43.28 | brlcad | s/n g/ng / |
| 15:44.50 | ``Erik | no, I think there has to be some form of scan, either by looking at ${PREFIX}/bin/automake-* or /var/db/pkg/automake* and searching for a 'sufficient' version :/ |
| 15:45.09 | Z80-Boy | But I had the variables set |
| 15:45.29 | ``Erik | obsd's wrappers do not perscribe to the princeple of least surprise. |
| 15:45.41 | ``Erik | for a non-obsd person, at least |
| 15:46.06 | Z80-Boy | hmm I found this |
| 15:46.23 | Z80-Boy | $id.menubar.modes.axes add checkbutton -offvalue 0 -onvalue 1\ 1731 -variable mged_gui($id,model_draw) -label "Model" -underline 0\ 1732 -command "mged_apply $id \"rset ax model_draw \$mged_gui($id,model_draw)\"" |
| 15:46.32 | Z80-Boy | what should I type into the .mgedrc? |
| 15:46.45 | Z80-Boy | mged-apply 0 rset ax model_draw, and also for 1 2 3? |
| 15:58.38 | ``Erik | iiiiinteresting |
| 16:13.42 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/brlman/brlman.in: search the defined "mandir", too |
| 16:24.57 | ``Erik | awf is a skeery beast O.o |
| 16:27.53 | Z80-Boy | ``Erik: do you have axes turned on in your .mgedrc? could you please post it? |
| 16:28.39 | ``Erik | I have no .mgedrc |
| 16:30.13 | Z80-Boy | what's the new linux kernel development? All version numbers development" |
| 16:30.55 | ``Erik | heh, so the two branches of linux development are alpha and pre-alpha? :D |
| 16:31.49 | Z80-Boy | no they are pre-pre and pre-school. |
| 16:32.13 | Z80-Boy | Linux is for teletubbies. |
| 16:32.32 | Z80-Boy | They can't even figure out kernel interface description. |
| 16:33.27 | ``Erik | heh |
| 16:34.23 | ``Erik | they have a weird behavior in ioctl that I've seen horrible horribly abused in drivers, and the driver writers (nvidia) didn't seem to understand why what they did was wrong, cuz it seemed to work on linux... |
| 16:35.06 | ``Erik | speaking of shit-talking on linux... cjohnson has a fun article comparing linux to fbsd in the mid 90's :) ummmm |
| 16:35.09 | Z80-Boy | ``Erik: can you please turn multipane on, set axes to model in all four, then save .mgedrc and grep for model_draw in the .mgedrc and paste me the magic lines I should add to get it? Thanks... |
| 16:35.45 | Z80-Boy | linux is becoming the microsoft of free software :) |
| 16:36.00 | Z80-Boy | Torvalds has sexappeal similar to Gates. |
| 16:36.47 | MinuteElectron | Gates? sexappeal? lol |
| 16:38.48 | ``Erik | heh, clock,I have no idea how to use the program :D I got it i n multipane mode, and I have the axis star on one pane... now I'm stuck, and I have no idea how to save an .mgedrc :D |
| 16:39.11 | ``Erik | and the cheat card isn't hleping me O.o |
| 16:40.03 | ``Erik | cool, 'create/update .mgedrc' in the menu gives me an error |
| 17:02.44 | ``Erik | "Linux has the feeling of a bunch of dos crackers getting together and putting together a Unix box, with out ever having seen a Unix box before. The kernel has a very "dos" feel to it. The console feels very much like a dos console. The whole thing has an undercurrent of dos like contamination running through it." |
| 17:03.02 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 17:03.36 | ``Erik | http://www.cyberpaladin.com/~cjohnson/#report |
| 17:03.57 | ``Erik | back when I was a hardcore linux zea^Wadvocate |
| 17:09.13 | yukonbob | overheard on #tcl: |
| 17:09.22 | yukonbob | Speaking of Linux... did you ever wonder what it would take to justify a 3.x kernel? |
| 17:09.32 | yukonbob | something worth using? |
| 17:14.24 | ``Erik | naturally, you're suffering a hypochondriadic amplification, since you went and researched it... |
| 17:14.55 | Maloeran | You believe so? I thought I observed the symptoms long before researching the subject |
| 17:15.18 | ``Erik | that's why I said amplification... :D |
| 17:15.19 | Maloeran | Survice is going to be annoying with my severe drop in productivity if I don't fix that quickly |
| 17:15.26 | Maloeran | to be annoyed* |
| 17:16.10 | ``Erik | hum, slashdot has a 'real-time raytracing' headline up |
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| 18:08.20 | brlcad | yukonbob: i've heard both with respect to tcl/tk versioning, and from folks in #tcl, so I'm not really sure whom to believe (not that it matters a whole lot, it'll be what it is when they release of course) |
| 18:11.07 | brlcad | but yeah, the last I'd heard, 8.5 would be their "final" when alpha/beta testing completes |
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| 18:26.11 | brlcad | excellent |
| 18:26.34 | brlcad | would be something good to add to the wiki for others later |
| 18:27.31 | Z80-Boy | But it's just a workaround for my immediate problem |
| 18:27.39 | Z80-Boy | I guess when you fix it it won't be necessary anymore |
| 18:28.11 | Z80-Boy | Is there something like rtedge, but doing a wireframe? |
| 18:29.44 | ``Erik | I don't think any accurate wireframe stuff is in BRL-CAD... the wireframe display in mged is a basic approximation and does no CSG solving |
| 18:38.35 | Maloeran | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6993762.stm |
| 18:38.41 | Z80-Boy | When I turn on the grid, what unit is a square? |
| 18:38.51 | Z80-Boy | It doesn't seem to be neither 10 units nor anything similar |
| 18:41.22 | Z80-Boy | I think if I should choose the coolest software in the world, it would be BRL-CAD... |
| 18:42.05 | Z80-Boy | Development started 1979, very oldskool, lots of unimagined possibilities, binary file format, very cool clean rendering thanks to CSG |
| 18:43.09 | Z80-Boy | Developed by a world top workplace in computer technology... |
| 19:08.41 | Z80-Boy | how do I get from SOL PICK to SOL EDIT state? I tried press <everything> and nothing does it |
| 19:09.09 | Z80-Boy | Or is the way how to directly enter SOL EDIT state on given solid? |
| 20:07.46 | ``Erik | 'sed blah.s' ? |
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| 20:35.41 | Z80-Boy | no it doesn't work |
| 20:48.36 | starseeker | yukonbob: You're doing docbook markup on Vol4? |
| 21:08.14 | yukonbob | starseeker: I started, yup -- we should compare notes etc. |
| 22:07.40 | ``Erik | bob: ddija look at hte vol2 markup to make sure it's all being done consistently? :D |
| 22:16.10 | yukonbob | ``Erik: not yet... that's something I'm concerned about though ;) |
| 22:18.44 | starseeker | It may not be fully consistent yet - I'm just getting started |
| 22:48.01 | yukonbob | starseeker: re: consistency -- I'm thinking between your work and my work :) -- of course ea. is a work-in-progress until it's done, but as long as we're roughly as strict as the other, and using same formatting where applicable... |
| 23:57.06 | ``Erik | bob: commit bit is about brlcad or lbutler... but if you submit a patch or shar, I'd be able to look at it |