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| 13:14.08 | Maloeran | Hey, I haven't been around for some time. I'm trying to convert the Stanford .ply models to .g through ply-g but it gives me "This PLY file appears to contain no geometry!!!". Yet, with -v, it claims to find the vertices and indices. Any thoughts? |
| 13:14.58 | Maloeran | Before I try to fix it or write my own converter, I'm just wondering if it could be a known glitch |
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| 14:50.52 | Maloeran | Nevermind, got it |
| 15:09.28 | brlcad | what was it? |
| 15:09.43 | brlcad | and howdy Maloeran |
| 15:10.42 | Maloeran | I was trying to convert the .ply point files, not the reconstructed triangle geometry :) |
| 15:11.10 | Maloeran | I'm fine, cleaning up Rayforce a bit which Mark wants to present at Siggraph. Will you guys be there? |
| 15:11.24 | brlcad | yeah |
| 15:12.17 | brlcad | so you're presenting it at siggraph? a paper, a sketch, a poster? |
| 15:12.39 | Maloeran | None of the above, Mark reserved a... booth, but I'm not too sure how that works |
| 15:12.59 | brlcad | oh, heh .. interesting |
| 15:13.09 | Maloeran | Just to present the software I guess, but I wonder if it's a whole day thing, or if I'll have time to wander around |
| 15:13.21 | brlcad | sounds like it might be on the expo floor then |
| 15:14.00 | brlcad | so are you attending, or just going for a day or two or? |
| 15:14.14 | brlcad | do you know which day? |
| 15:14.37 | Maloeran | I'm attending for the whole week, I just hope I won't have to stay at that booth thing for the whole time :) |
| 15:14.51 | brlcad | ah, okay, cool |
| 15:15.00 | Maloeran | I'll be bringing my desktop to run the demos on |
| 15:15.08 | brlcad | you went last year iirc, yes? |
| 15:15.39 | Maloeran | I didn't, I only went to the Interactive Raytracing and the other one about Visualization with you guys |
| 15:16.14 | brlcad | oh, wow.. so this will be your first siggraph then? that should be fun |
| 15:16.30 | Maloeran | So far, I didn't find these social gatherings very appealing |
| 15:16.41 | louipc | you need more booze |
| 15:16.55 | Maloeran | Verbal communication is great for the interactivity aspect, but I would rather read papers than listen to presentations |
| 15:18.26 | Maloeran | Should I understand that Siggraph is generally more interesting than the conferences we went to at Salt Lake City and Baltimore? |
| 15:18.26 | brlcad | to each their own, though siggraph is a bit different than rt07 and vis |
| 15:18.42 | brlcad | siggraph is *huge* in comparison |
| 15:19.18 | brlcad | way more variety, way more of everything (technical and non-technical, art and scientific, etc) |
| 15:19.36 | Maloeran | Ah, sounds good |
| 15:20.06 | brlcad | generally very beautiful and interesting to attend |
| 15:20.56 | brlcad | so is mark attending too? |
| 15:21.22 | Maloeran | Yes, and he's bringing his whole family! :) And, similarly, I'll bring my desktop |
| 15:21.38 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:21.50 | brlcad | well that should be interesting |
| 15:22.47 | Maloeran | Is Erik coming as well? Lee, Justin? |
| 15:23.03 | brlcad | that you know of, only myself and lee |
| 15:23.18 | Maloeran | Ah, okay |
| 15:24.04 | brlcad | any other guys going from your group? |
| 15:24.39 | Maloeran | Hum, not that I'm aware of |
| 15:25.22 | brlcad | bob or keith would be the only candidates that come to mind |
| 15:25.41 | brlcad | but then never know what mark is up to sometimes :) |
| 15:26.07 | brlcad | so what have you been up to? you sorta disappeared |
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| 15:26.51 | Maloeran | Ah yes, I think I unconsciously stopped the ritual of attaching irc clients, it was way too time consuming |
| 15:27.19 | Maloeran | I used to help people for 1-3 hours daily on Efnet *shivers*. I have been busy with computational fluid dynamics mostly, it's very interesting, amazingly challenging |
| 15:27.47 | brlcad | cfd work eh .. any pictures to show? :) |
| 15:28.49 | Maloeran | None yet, but I'm really close to that. |
| 15:29.34 | Maloeran | I spent about 2 months just learning the physics involved ; viscosity, turbulence, speed of sound... They want me to rewrite some horrible 50k lines Fortran code |
| 15:30.00 | Maloeran | It's not just horrible, it's plain wrong ( no conservation of momentum, etc. ) |
| 15:30.06 | brlcad | and of course knowing you, you're almost done then :) |
| 15:30.25 | Maloeran | Eh well, not exactly :), mostly because I'm aiming very high |
| 15:30.50 | Maloeran | They didn't even have conservation of momentum... and I want to give them shockwaves, blasts, turbulence, viscosity |
| 15:31.02 | brlcad | so what's to come of rayforce then? I imagine this demo at siggraph is mark's way to try and market it |
| 15:31.36 | brlcad | or is rayforce development coming to an end as you move into cfd? |
| 15:31.40 | Maloeran | I took a long break, I was saturated of Raytracing, I think I was beginning to feel physical pain when I tried to force me to work on it near the end |
| 15:31.51 | brlcad | yeah, I got that |
| 15:32.08 | brlcad | i mean that was noticeably visible even over irc that you were burning out |
| 15:32.41 | Maloeran | Ah, quite true... Survice doesn't know that, but the first few months, I think I was doing nothing but work. I mean 60-80 hours a week |
| 15:33.01 | Maloeran | Anyhow, regarding Rayforce, Mark has plans to integrate it into their software, Archer's successor, and see if there's commerical potential |
| 15:34.08 | brlcad | interesting |
| 15:35.01 | brlcad | but then I think that for most code that's not got an analysis association |
| 15:35.56 | Maloeran | It's not really mainstream software, being open-source is not that... critical, if I may say. Besides, I'll certainly never allow the patents to get in the way of open-source developers |
| 15:36.38 | Maloeran | ( Mark registered patents to my name on the techniques ) |
| 15:37.35 | brlcad | doesn't have to be mainstream to be intersting and useful :) |
| 15:37.50 | brlcad | information wants to be free :) |
| 15:38.31 | Maloeran | :) Oh, I agree. It may well end up open-source, I think Mark just wants to see if there's commercial potential at Siggraph |
| 15:38.46 | brlcad | yeah, I got that much :) |
| 15:39.55 | Maloeran | I have doubts myself, I don't think it performs that much better ( if at all better ) to Reschetov's latest code, or whoever else's. I haven't followed raytracing papers |
| 15:39.57 | brlcad | he's unfortunately not got the demo connections to throw around at siggraph (I think) in order to make that happen |
| 15:40.28 | Maloeran | He spoke of Dreamworks and some other group that are supposed to come by the booth |
| 15:40.39 | brlcad | well he'll undoubtedly be at siggraph, you can just ask Reschetov :) |
| 15:41.08 | Maloeran | Good point :) |
| 15:43.12 | Maloeran | I'm surprised the Stanford models appear actually more costly to render than CAD geometry |
| 15:43.42 | Maloeran | Only 30M rays/sec on that 70k triangles bunny, one third of the 140k triangles M1 |
| 15:44.04 | brlcad | they're mostly scan conversions, pathologically dense triangle surface sets |
| 15:44.42 | brlcad | interesting models, but far from representative of anything other than scan-conversion geometry |
| 15:44.47 | Maloeran | *nods* I thought this would produce good graphs since there are no long thin triangles, I guess that was wrong |
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| 15:47.12 | Maloeran | On a completely different topic, is it safe enough to carry computer cases by plane? I would bring the hard drives with me |
| 15:47.32 | poolio | mornin |
| 15:47.34 | brlcad | safe enough? |
| 15:47.44 | brlcad | don't see why not |
| 15:47.55 | brlcad | i'll be taking my laptop and working on the plane |
| 15:47.57 | Maloeran | Regarding damage to components from being thrown around, and I wouldn't want anyone at the luggage collection to just pick up the 3K$ case |
| 15:48.18 | brlcad | oh, you mean like a desktop |
| 15:48.19 | Maloeran | A laptop is different, you carry it with you ;) |
| 15:48.21 | Maloeran | Yes |
| 15:48.26 | brlcad | eek |
| 15:48.31 | brlcad | good question |
| 15:48.32 | Maloeran | A big and heavy desktop computer case |
| 15:48.37 | poolio | where you guys headed? |
| 15:48.56 | brlcad | poolio: siggraph in san diego |
| 15:49.01 | poolio | hehe, enjoy |
| 15:49.04 | poolio | when is that? |
| 15:49.10 | brlcad | in about two weeks |
| 15:50.08 | Maloeran | Any thoughts about carrying a case, brlcad? Or I could somehow ship it, but I'm not sure that's really better |
| 15:50.11 | brlcad | Maloeran: I'd be rather uncomfortable sending a machine that way, I'd probably ship it |
| 15:51.12 | brlcad | going to cost probably 50-100 to ship it each way, depending on the weight |
| 15:51.22 | Maloeran | I still have the case's cardboard box and styrofoam, but it's clearly a box for a large computer case |
| 15:51.55 | brlcad | well that's great then .. can put it in that box and take it to some place like dhl |
| 15:52.31 | poolio | brlcad: are you doing a presentation at siggraph? |
| 15:52.38 | brlcad | poolio: not this year |
| 15:52.39 | Maloeran | So you would recommend this over bringing it as luggage |
| 15:52.51 | brlcad | yeah, there is zero guarantee with luggage |
| 15:53.07 | brlcad | it might come out fine, it might be destroyed |
| 15:53.21 | poolio | Maloeran: just buy a sweet ass laptop like brlcad :) |
| 15:53.33 | brlcad | it'd be a gamble, with the dice being thrown by someone that makes $10/hr |
| 15:53.43 | Maloeran | I don't think there are 8 cores Clovertown laptops around here :) |
| 15:54.10 | Maloeran | I see. Well, with the hard drives out... I don't know how resistant to shocks that stuff is |
| 15:54.29 | poolio | Maloeran: geez. not fair. gimme one |
| 15:55.00 | poolio | there's no chance you could borrow/rent/use someone elses nice desktop? |
| 15:55.36 | Maloeran | It's more like a high-end server machine than a desktop |
| 15:55.42 | brlcad | Maloeran: put it inside your luggage and then imagine throwing it outside a second-story building -- would you be comfortable with that? |
| 15:55.52 | brlcad | that's a perfectly viable scenario that can happen |
| 15:56.09 | Maloeran | Ouch, ouch. |
| 15:56.29 | Maloeran | Okay, looking into DHL |
| 15:57.55 | brlcad | it (should be) survice's dime, so it shouldn't matter .. better to just be safe, otherwise there is no demo |
| 15:58.33 | brlcad | that 100 or so is dwarfed by how much it's costing to send two guys |
| 15:59.19 | Maloeran | Right. If I ship it, that would free my hands to bring a bicycle too ; my hotel is 7 miles away |
| 15:59.33 | brlcad | ouch |
| 15:59.50 | brlcad | it's on the trolly route I hope? |
| 16:00.09 | brlcad | is it a siggraph hotel? |
| 16:00.34 | Maloeran | I think so, it was reserved indirectly from their site |
| 16:01.22 | brlcad | the sheraton? |
| 16:01.44 | Maloeran | Checking... |
| 16:01.51 | brlcad | you might be in the same building as three other guys |
| 16:01.55 | Maloeran | HILTON SAN DIEGO MISSION VALLEY |
| 16:01.59 | brlcad | ahh |
| 16:02.20 | brlcad | at least it's a little better |
| 16:02.55 | brlcad | hopefully has internet, though you can generally hang out at the convention center until late on the wifi |
| 16:03.06 | Maloeran | Do you know if there's some kind of shuttle service for all siggraph hotels? |
| 16:03.20 | brlcad | there is shuttle service if it's a siggraph hotel |
| 16:03.30 | Maloeran | Oh hum :), I actually gave my laptop to a friend who was leaving for Japan for 2 years, I was very rarely using it |
| 16:04.18 | Maloeran | In a way, that's also why I'm bringing my desktop |
| 16:05.32 | Maloeran | Well, it looks like I won't be able to raytrace a 28 million triangles model, malloc() refuses to cooperate |
| 16:06.17 | brlcad | strap the desktop to your back, a UPS to your chest, and you're good to go! |
| 16:07.10 | brlcad | Twingy was gonna do that one year with an O2 *ahem*, that woulda been fscking awesome :) |
| 16:07.18 | Maloeran | Woohoo! And a bicycle of course, how else would a bring such a heavy E-ATX case? |
| 16:07.25 | Maloeran | Hum :) |
| 16:08.17 | Maloeran | Do you have any intelligent normal smoothing code somewhere in BRL-CAD? |
| 16:09.05 | Maloeran | Something that considers angles between triangles, angles between facet vectors, to smooth and spawn new vertices when appropriate |
| 16:10.19 | Maloeran | I wrote something a long time ago but it's brute force, it isn't meant for models of million triangles |
| 16:10.22 | brlcad | rt_bot_smooth() |
| 16:10.33 | brlcad | not sure how "intelligent" it is, but there is a routine for it |
| 16:10.53 | Maloeran | Do you know if it will create new vertices rather than smoothing when appropriate? |
| 16:10.56 | brlcad | it's in src/librt/g_bot.c at the end |
| 16:11.49 | brlcad | no, it isn't going to create more vertices iirc |
| 16:12.05 | brlcad | it just smooths the ones you have |
| 16:12.19 | Maloeran | Right, it's a bit too primitive. It would create rather horrible results on a cube for example |
| 16:12.31 | brlcad | basically: |
| 16:12.32 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.35 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.39 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.41 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.54 | brlcad | because siggraph says miles :) |
| 16:13.03 | ``Erik | ah |
| 16:13.08 | ``Erik | 7mi ~= 10km |
| 16:13.08 | Maloeran | Eheh Erik, the website said the hotel was 7 miles away. I have no idea what's that in km |
| 16:13.24 | ``Erik | .62 miles = 1km |
| 16:13.38 | Maloeran | Right, it's a long walk, or a tiring run |
| 16:13.39 | brlcad | ibot: convert 7 miles to kilometers |
| 16:13.57 | ``Erik | aboot ten, eh? |
| 16:14.20 | ``Erik | is that hooked into the 'units' program? |
| 16:14.30 | brlcad | beats me |
| 16:14.35 | brlcad | have to look at blootbot's source |
| 16:14.47 | brlcad | but probably |
| 16:15.42 | ``Erik | something not addressed by most unit conversion packages... a bit trickier than the 0 base ones, but quite doable :( |
| 16:16.03 | Maloeran | Erik, may I ask what's the official reason you aren't going to Siggraph this year? Since Sean and others are going |
| 16:16.04 | ``Erik | if nothing else, grok kelvin vs C, and rankines vs F... ... |
| 16:16.20 | ``Erik | because I'm not "special", and it's written into seans contract? |
| 16:16.38 | ``Erik | I was on the initial list, but my bosses bosses bosses bosses bosses boss said "only 3 gov't people go" |
| 16:16.44 | ``Erik | and I wasn't on that omfg list |
| 16:17.28 | ``Erik | it's stupid, and one of the reasons I'm about ready to step back into the civil sector. |
| 16:18.44 | Maloeran | Survice looks like a nice place from what I have seen, there are some challenging problems to solve |
| 16:19.09 | Maloeran | They basically let me pick what I wanted to work on, and CFD looked fun :) |
| 16:19.13 | ``Erik | there're always challenging problems, but I'm kinda lookng at going back to the midwest, I can afford a ferakin' mansion out there |
| 16:19.58 | ``Erik | I have an offer for a very comfortable job there that pays the same as what I make now... "choose your own hours, work from home" etc |
| 16:19.59 | ``Erik | .. |
| 16:20.09 | ``Erik | I need to figure out where I'm going *sigh* |
| 16:20.51 | ``Erik | I half suspect that if I land a decent job and regain the joy of coding, I'll be able to do more for brlcad than where I'm at now :/ |
| 16:21.25 | Maloeran | Are there any hopes of change within the ARL if you let managers know your dissatisfaction? |
| 16:21.38 | ``Erik | <-- has a strong urge to link brlcad to the gaming group |
| 16:21.39 | Maloeran | I can understand that :/ |
| 16:22.02 | ``Erik | um, I've let several layers of mgmt know my discontent in no uncertain terms several times |
| 16:22.05 | Maloeran | Brlcad, gaming? These two concepts don't appear to mix too well |
| 16:22.19 | ``Erik | brlcad to generate the game models and maps, :) |
| 16:22.39 | Maloeran | And there's no effort to move you around internally where you would be happier? |
| 16:22.42 | ``Erik | they'll put all sorts of insane pressure on mr brlcad to make it a user friendly modeling package, and mebbehe can sell it |
| 16:22.56 | ``Erik | there is effort to accept me... there is resistance to release me |
| 16:23.25 | ``Erik | so on tuesday, I need to do the "I'm leaving, pick where I go, arl or outside" speach |
| 16:23.51 | Maloeran | Well, there's good people at Survice if you want to look that way. Mark is the opposite of the pointy haired manager stereotype |
| 16:24.32 | brlcad | and have been for years, that's why it's priority #1 and pretty much all of the work going on even now has been towards solving that problem :) |
| 16:24.39 | ``Erik | meh, if I escape gov't life, it'll be in a big way, I surpect |
| 16:25.05 | ``Erik | hehehe, if game devers get into it, mebbe they'd throw their towel in teh ring and support it, other than bitching :) |
| 16:25.28 | ``Erik | <-- thinks the biggest os boon would be to get serious attention from the videogame wannabees... |
| 16:25.53 | ``Erik | and I like to imagine that I'm not too terribly wrong too terribly often |
| 16:26.00 | brlcad | log cabin in the middle of nowhere with an OC128 |
| 16:26.52 | poolio | brlcad: poolio.org is up, thanks again |
| 16:27.39 | brlcad | no problemo, nifty |
| 16:28.47 | brlcad | which is what I've been doing all weekend so far |
| 16:28.48 | poolio | brlcad: oh weird, it doesn't work for me, i get a blank page? what....? it worked fine last night :\ |
| 16:28.49 | brlcad | good stuff |
| 16:29.37 | brlcad | poolio: it's working just fine here |
| 16:29.47 | brlcad | maybe browser cache junk |
| 16:29.55 | poolio | yeah appears to be |
| 16:30.45 | Maloeran | Mmhm, gamedev. I had a strange urge to create a warcraft 3 map about two months ago ; I spent about 10 days sleeping only once every 2 days, that was... peculiar |
| 16:31.00 | Maloeran | Their scripting language is actually very complete |
| 16:31.43 | ``Erik | 'world of warcraft' seems to use lua |
| 16:31.59 | ``Erik | I've also been acutely interested in 'bos' and 'danger from the deep' |
| 16:32.14 | ``Erik | both have freendoe channels that I lurk... #bos and #dangerdeep :) |
| 16:32.28 | ``Erik | getting mac builds of either is... highly interesting, as they both use scons |
| 16:32.29 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 16:32.35 | Maloeran | I haven't heard of these. I just wanted to create a good, deep and long multiplayer campaign map |
| 16:33.04 | brlcad | http://spring.clan-sy.com/ |
| 16:33.08 | ``Erik | dangerdeep is a semi-realistic ww2 sub sim, bos is kinda like a starcrafty clone |
| 16:34.03 | Maloeran | Never heard of scons, and I mostly broke your autoconf stuff in Rayforce once again :). For some reason, it's compiling the same files 5 times, once for each binary |
| 16:34.31 | ``Erik | 'scons' is a python make imitation, from people who don't understand portability trying to outdo autoconfs portability... |
| 16:34.32 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 16:34.41 | ``Erik | it's a flaming piece of crap, imho. |
| 16:35.00 | ``Erik | um, you must've used name prefixes |
| 16:35.23 | Maloeran | I get .o files such as rfdemo-img.o, rfmaster-img.o, etc. for the img.c file |
| 16:35.43 | brlcad | ah, you set FLAGS |
| 16:36.06 | Maloeran | Ah yes, I set CFLAGS |
| 16:36.08 | brlcad | since the cppflags/cflags can cause different compilation results |
| 16:36.33 | Maloeran | I see, good point. Though, in this case, it doesn't actually matter |
| 16:36.36 | brlcad | e.g. make CFLAGS="-DBEHAVE_DIFFERENT_FOR_RFDEMO" |
| 16:37.20 | brlcad | set AM_CFLAGS instead of it should be global and the multicomp should go away iirc |
| 16:37.36 | brlcad | s/of/if/ |
| 16:37.51 | Maloeran | Thanks, I'll try that |
| 16:38.39 | brlcad | it's the rfdemo_CFLAGS that will usually cause the prefixed compilation results |
| 16:39.49 | Maloeran | *nods* It works. I mostly broke Erik's autoconf stuff when I thrown SDL away to use X11 directly so I can do proper and efficient frame buffering |
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| 16:40.52 | Maloeran | Do you know if X on OSX and other platforms have the Xxf86vm extensions? |
| 16:42.07 | brlcad | I believe OS X has that, but should probably test for it in configure regardless |
| 16:42.13 | brlcad | i think mplayer has a test for that |
| 16:42.43 | Maloeran | configure is still testing for SDL at the moment, but I'll attempt to correct that |
| 16:43.13 | ``Erik | what's so terribly wrong with sdl? O.o |
| 16:43.44 | ``Erik | it's been used to make sprite based games that run over 60fps on very low end hw |
| 16:43.48 | Maloeran | It's impossible to render multiple frames simultaneously without having to copy the whole data *twice* to get it visible |
| 16:43.59 | Maloeran | Yes yes, it's all good as long as you render just one frame at a time |
| 16:44.28 | ``Erik | hum, I thought there was a flag to set for 'direct' drawing, so double-buffering would be completely under developer control |
| 16:45.19 | Maloeran | I dig far in the code, I even put out a quick patch to implement multiple frame buffers but the SDL developers weren't interested |
| 16:45.41 | Maloeran | Because "Most people don't need that" and because "'S' stands for Simple" |
| 16:45.59 | ``Erik | hum, did they say why? |
| 16:46.25 | brlcad | reasonable test for Xxf86vm in http://profile.iiita.ac.in/smajumdar_00/xine/xine-ui-0.9.21/configure.ac |
| 16:46.46 | Maloeran | I can imagine that most people only render one frame at a time, it's understandable, but that's not acceptable in my case |
| 16:46.53 | Maloeran | Thanks brlcad |
| 16:47.16 | ``Erik | I would imagine that if it ere argued coherently, sammy woulda picked it up :/ |
| 16:47.29 | ``Erik | he seems to be reasonable |
| 16:47.56 | Maloeran | I don't think I had chatted with the lead programmer, just one of his minion |
| 16:48.36 | brlcad | minion's are useless for getting core changes |
| 16:48.47 | ``Erik | sam langtingua or whatever, that's the homey to talk to |
| 16:48.52 | ``Erik | he watches the mailing list |
| 16:49.29 | Maloeran | Before I wrote the code for it, I posted on the mailing list to ask for thoughts on the idea, the feature was "unlikely" to be implemented |
| 16:49.49 | ``Erik | lame |
| 16:49.56 | Maloeran | It required changes for every platform and I only did the X11 one, so I can understand why they were reluctant |
| 16:50.06 | Maloeran | But anyway, things are working nicely using X11 directly |
| 16:50.21 | ``Erik | nothing wrong with straight x11 if you're *nix only |
| 16:50.22 | ``Erik | :) |
| 16:50.30 | Maloeran | Exactly :) |
| 16:51.05 | ``Erik | <-- has a couple striaght x11 programs in his devel/ tree |
| 16:52.02 | Maloeran | *nods* So do I |
| 16:52.23 | Maloeran | The documentation on the API and extensions is sometimes lacking, I found that a bit annoying |
| 16:52.52 | ``Erik | <-- may be a weirdo, but truely enjoys saurkraut as a hot dog topping |
| 16:53.11 | Maloeran | "This parameter is... a mask flag! And we'll let you guess the rest, what it's for and what values it can take." |
| 16:53.24 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 16:56.31 | Maloeran | What could make AM_CFLAGS be ignored in a Makefile.am? Suddently, it's not added to the compilation lines anymore |
| 16:58.00 | Maloeran | Ah nevermind, it's only automatic if no specific CFLAGS are specified for a binary. Got it |
| 16:59.09 | brlcad | yeah, per-binary overrrides, you'd have to say you wanted them if you override like rfdemo_CFLAGS="${AM_CFLAGS} -O1000 -DYUM" |
| 16:59.31 | Maloeran | *nods* Thank you |
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| 17:17.38 | IriX64 | errors everywhere and make keeps on trucking (my new and improved -i(gnore) switch works beautifullu) |
| 17:17.59 | IriX64 | -u+y |
| 17:19.50 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/Lm7x7L15.html < ---- see |
| 17:21.07 | poolio | I think there's a reasons errors cause aborting |
| 17:21.33 | IriX64 | there is but sometimes you know (ill fix it later type of thing) |
| 17:22.02 | IriX64 | why let one bit of the project keep you from testing the rest |
| 17:22.39 | poolio | well if the entire rest of the project depends on that part... |
| 17:22.46 | poolio | IriX64: also, got my website up and running: poolio.org |
| 17:22.56 | IriX64 | agreed then your hornswoggled |
| 17:23.07 | IriX64 | http://poolio.org? |
| 17:23.55 | poolio | jah |
| 17:24.45 | IriX64 | hahah nice site (jokingly says needs fleshing out ) ducking and running :) |
| 17:25.11 | poolio | it's minimal. not designed to be pretty or fleshed out. no need. |
| 17:25.17 | IriX64 | better than mine |
| 17:26.03 | poolio | never seen yours ;) |
| 17:26.32 | IriX64 | heh yah you have its just got some files on it (supposed to put a page up but i'm lazy) |
| 17:27.50 | IriX64 | maybe i'll re-install staroffice and design a page |
| 17:28.21 | IriX64 | 64bit staroffice? /me muses |
| 17:31.28 | IriX64 | that disk crash did me good, I've never had so much fun putting things back where they're sposed to be, I'm about 50%recovered |
| 17:32.08 | Maloeran | You should install Gentoo, you'll have a lot of fun constantly fixing stuff |
| 17:33.36 | IriX64 | heh i'm busy enough as it is |
| 17:34.14 | poolio | busy enough fixing windows constantly :) |
| 17:34.24 | Maloeran | Recently, I just installed some package for a library, and... PAM broke with "Module not found" so it was impossible to log in, then fsck.ext3 had disappeared so it didn't want to mount the root partition, and a couple other pleasant discoveries |
| 17:34.47 | poolio | livecd to the rescue? |
| 17:35.00 | Maloeran | Installing that package just "removed" many critical pieces, even thought Portage still believed they were installed |
| 17:35.16 | Maloeran | Ah, I fixed things manually, I know Linux enough by now :) |
| 17:35.26 | Maloeran | even though* |
| 17:35.30 | poolio | hmm, just switched over to debian from gentoo. really like it so far. apt-get upgrade is around 30x faster than emerge -u world |
| 17:37.24 | Maloeran | I prefer to do things manually to a great extend, but there's something wrong when installing a library removes many chunks of critical software everywhere |
| 17:37.53 | poolio | not the Gentoo Penguin? |
| 17:38.07 | Maloeran | The Gentoo mascot is a cow, is it not? Or it used to be |
| 17:38.26 | poolio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_penguin |
| 17:38.46 | poolio | http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml |
| 17:38.48 | poolio | I think you're right |
| 17:38.55 | poolio | named after a penguin, but their mascot is a cow, hmm. |
| 17:39.14 | IriX64 | my mascot is #undef ;) |
| 17:50.07 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/0cqq9B36.html are you interested in this? it's tedit in mged |
| 17:53.08 | IriX64 | never mind its that wgl stuff |
| 17:53.22 | brlcad | IriX64: no, i'm not interestd in that :) |
| 17:53.30 | IriX64 | thought so :) |
| 17:53.40 | brlcad | as it's a random error after you've provoked the build way too many times to get that far to be useful |
| 17:54.01 | IriX64 | heh come its semi-useful :) |
| 17:55.50 | IriX64 | provoked the build ... interesting is that why it's biting my hand off ;) |
| 17:57.34 | IriX64 | btw i'm just exploring, and theres quite a bit of wgl stuff, dm_xvars.h and dm_wgl.h have issues |
| 17:59.02 | brlcad | of course they do |
| 17:59.16 | brlcad | it all stems from your configure tests not working as they are expected to |
| 17:59.24 | brlcad | that has been the problem from the beginning |
| 17:59.34 | brlcad | for months and months, it hasn't changed |
| 17:59.36 | IriX64 | well I told you my system was strange |
| 17:59.57 | brlcad | it doesn't matter if it's strange of now, it's just configure tests |
| 18:00.08 | IriX64 | you indicated you wouldn/t mind me pasting the errors as they might prove usefull |
| 18:00.10 | brlcad | the tests aren't doing what's expected, and until they do, this will be the case |
| 18:00.33 | brlcad | i also said it entirely depends on how you get those errors |
| 18:00.41 | brlcad | random errors are not useful |
| 18:00.58 | brlcad | methodical ones done in progress can be if it's isolatable |
| 18:01.21 | IriX64 | btw that tree still awairts you |
| 18:01.25 | IriX64 | awaits too |
| 18:01.26 | brlcad | if you edit *anything* that you've not been asked to edit, then it's a random error |
| 18:01.46 | brlcad | if it's an error after *any* previous error, then it's effectively a random error |
| 18:01.47 | IriX64 | good now we're clear |
| 18:02.08 | brlcad | we've been "clear" a couple dozen times :) |
| 18:02.26 | IriX64 | heh i know but at the very least its comic releif no:) |
| 18:02.35 | Maloeran | Practice makes perfect! |
| 18:02.49 | IriX64 | ill keep practicing |
| 18:03.32 | IriX64 | thanks for letting me hang out is what i'm trying to say here. |
| 18:04.33 | brlcad | you could be so much more productive on brl-cad if you simply wanted to be, and gave yourself credit when it was due for effort you do put in that helps |
| 18:05.38 | brlcad | if your build environment were working, you'd probably be a great regression tester :) |
| 18:05.46 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/OheeIZ16.html <--- thanks, this is more fun, make did it i really don't think itll run that was supposed to be a mingw32 build :) |
| 18:06.42 | brlcad | i think you might have missed about four periods there :) |
| 18:07.16 | IriX64 | heh |
| 18:09.22 | IriX64 | looking for the jove.exe, it's not there i wonder why :) |
| 18:11.18 | Maloeran | Yay, typical. SSE3 added wonderful instructions such as haddps for horizontal adding... except that it's slower than the sequence movaps,shufps,addps which produces the same result |
| 18:12.36 | IriX64 | you using a dissasembler Maloeran? |
| 18:14.26 | Maloeran | No, trying to optimize some code |
| 18:19.41 | IriX64 | by hand? kudos |
| 18:21.15 | IriX64 | which processor, may I ask? |
| 18:21.26 | Maloeran | Yes although I'm mostly trying to get GCC to produce good code from C instead. As always, it's not going too well, GCC is rather stupid regarding register allocation and memory aliasing |
| 18:21.29 | Maloeran | Xeon Clovertown |
| 18:22.10 | IriX64 | 16? or 8? |
| 18:22.46 | Maloeran | Hum, I don't understand the question |
| 18:22.53 | IriX64 | gcc? what version supports that? |
| 18:23.33 | Maloeran | Ah, I'm using gcc 4.1.2 but the mtune optimisation swich is -mtune=nocona, the same as Core 2 chips |
| 18:23.41 | IriX64 | doesn't matter im in over my head anyway :) |
| 18:24.26 | IriX64 | mine is a simple opteron |
| 18:24.54 | IriX64 | but im trying for global coverage instead of targetting one processor |
| 18:27.24 | IriX64 | although -march=opteron -mtune=opteron works here |
| 18:27.31 | IriX64 | err = |
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| 21:02.13 | louipc | What's a good way to describe BRL-CAD as powerful without actually using the word? It seems too many packages use that magic word. |
| 21:02.56 | ``Erik | 'big hairy balls' |
| 21:03.21 | ``Erik | it has over 400 specialty tools built on it *shrug* |
| 21:03.35 | louipc | comprehensive? hah |
| 21:03.53 | louipc | hmm |
| 21:05.31 | louipc | extensive! |
| 21:20.47 | ``Erik | *shrug* throw the #'s out? 30 years in the making, over 400 binaries, ... *shrug* |
| 21:38.49 | louipc | that might work |
| 21:41.01 | ``Erik | is it just me, or is mia kirshner totally rompable? O.o |
| 21:41.37 | louipc | oh yeah |
| 21:42.49 | ``Erik | 'not another teen movie' is on comedy central... |
| 21:43.00 | louipc | heheh |