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| 00:35.13 | poolio | brlcad: UGHHHHHH |
| 01:32.00 | louipc | poolio: cmon I don't think he's that bad looking |
| 01:33.27 | poolio | louipc: Oh, I was actually referencing the pic brlcad sent me of you ;) |
| 01:35.31 | louipc | ouch |
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| 02:59.26 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:59.33 | brlcad | poolio: no luck? |
| 03:01.23 | poolio | brlcad: yes luck, went to 4 stores, dealing with people that were no help and were in fact hurtful |
| 03:01.30 | poolio | at compusa the guy tried to convince me _not_ to buy it |
| 03:01.41 | poolio | but I bought it and it worked, I plugged it in at the store just to makre sure |
| 03:01.52 | poolio | Cost an arm and a leg though, $110 :\ |
| 03:02.08 | poolio | Need my laptop to work though, didn't really have a choice |
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| 03:05.03 | brlcad | the shack didn't have the plug? |
| 03:05.13 | brlcad | or didn't have their usual kit at all? |
| 03:05.52 | poolio | brlcad: they did, it was more expesnive |
| 03:05.58 | poolio | $80 for initial + tip |
| 03:06.02 | poolio | and they wouldnt let me open the tips |
| 03:06.08 | poolio | so I would have had to buy each tip and check them |
| 03:06.20 | poolio | actually no, for the 90W it was $95 for initial |
| 03:06.33 | poolio | it was more exepsnive than the targus |
| 03:06.40 | poolio | and the shack had the tip thing, but no tips even close to the right size |
| 03:06.43 | brlcad | ahhh |
| 03:06.49 | poolio | and the iGo things they had only outputted max like 6 something volts |
| 03:06.58 | brlcad | shame, it was only 60-something iirc when I last got one a couple years ago |
| 03:07.18 | poolio | My plan is to buy it online for the price of $50, and return this one |
| 03:07.24 | poolio | (buy an actual replacement part) |
| 03:07.31 | brlcad | sounds like a good plan |
| 03:07.32 | poolio | I'm also seeing if I can RMA it but I think I'm out of my warranty |
| 05:18.23 | poolio | sleeeep |
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| 12:05.31 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/MxikwS41.html <---- is this normal behaviour for mged? |
| 12:25.15 | IriX64 | hmmm classic mode exhibits the same behaviour |
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| 14:45.54 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/tpV5m780.html <---- poolio |
| 14:48.10 | poolio | ah oops |
| 14:48.14 | poolio | forgot to cvs up another part |
| 14:48.16 | poolio | one sec |
| 14:48.38 | IriX64 | sure |
| 14:48.58 | IriX64 | was just wondering how to fix it :) |
| 14:49.03 | poolio | k, give it a minute and then re-cvs |
| 14:49.08 | IriX64 | sure |
| 14:49.21 | Laniakea | no erik today? |
| 14:49.38 | IriX64 | who do you ask |
| 14:49.54 | CIA-29 | BRL-CAD: 03poolio * 10brlcad/src/gtools/beset/ (beset.c fitness.c population.c beset.h): more cosmetics and options updates |
| 14:50.02 | IriX64 | :) |
| 14:51.14 | poolio | IriX64: should be good now. thanks for testing :) |
| 14:51.17 | Laniakea | fitness.c more cosmetics? Sounds like brl-cad for women |
| 14:51.27 | IriX64 | welcome, will let you know |
| 14:51.51 | poolio | I spiced up fitness.c |
| 14:52.15 | poolio | Laniakea: He might be taking today off, I'd guess he is as it's already 11 and he's not here |
| 14:52.55 | Laniakea | +/- a lot |
| 14:53.13 | IriX64 | i'm gmt-5 |
| 14:53.25 | Laniakea | Who's doing gym in the spare time? |
| 14:53.41 | IriX64 | :) |
| 14:53.50 | Laniakea | you, IriX64 ? |
| 14:54.00 | IriX64 | smiled at the thought |
| 14:54.12 | Laniakea | someone did indeed - brlcad? |
| 14:56.35 | IriX64 | poolio, good good |
| 14:56.41 | poolio | IriX64: cheers. |
| 14:56.51 | IriX64 | wine please :) |
| 14:57.31 | Laniakea | wine, women, songs! |
| 14:57.51 | IriX64 | minstrel gypsies :) |
| 14:58.37 | Laniakea | I made a machine for hackers where they can improve their fitness while sitting at a computer without spending a single additional second of time |
| 14:58.42 | Laniakea | http://ronja.twibright.com/exciter/ |
| 15:11.45 | IriX64 | grouses too |
| 15:17.45 | IriX64 | wanna hear something hilarious, windows ntvdm prompt is doing a make distclean |
| 15:20.30 | IriX64 | soons its done, i'll pastebin the final output |
| 15:23.40 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/wrqlAH10.html <--- i'll play with that some more later right now i've got an install to do |
| 15:36.11 | IriX64 | heh to configure brlcad = bash ./configure :) |
| 15:38.02 | IriX64 | rotflmao |
| 15:38.38 | IriX64 | prompt line was the problem before |
| 15:44.40 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/qfCgdS28.html <--- not a bad exercise, but you still need all the support files in the path so why bother, why not just run it in the cygwin environment, or is there a use for gcc that'll run on windows? |
| 16:10.28 | poolio | brlcad: Is there any way to find out which data structure is taking up the memory? |
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| 16:24.05 | IriX64_ | http://rafb.net/p/0vKxju60.html << this things hilarious |
| 16:24.53 | ``Erik | um, ok...and? |
| 16:25.10 | IriX64_ | im gonna try to build it |
| 16:27.47 | IriX64_ | maybe it'll run better on windows if it's built under windows :) |
| 16:34.30 | poolio | I lied, ``Erik is here apparently :P |
| 16:34.44 | ``Erik | no I'm not |
| 16:35.24 | IriX64 | heh sometimes i'm knot sometimes I yam :) |
| 16:37.52 | IriX64 | sigh.... thereis something to be said for pointless fun :) |
| 16:40.49 | IriX64 | btw this gcc doesn't require the shell, just a sprinkling of cygwin dll's |
| 16:41.23 | poolio | brlcad: I've isolated the memory leak. If all I have is rtip = rt_new_rti(db); rt_clean(rtip); the memory shoots up... |
| 16:42.23 | poolio | brlcad: oh, it looks like I need to close and reopen the database after calling rt_new_rti? |
| 16:44.47 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/xrMgoI74.html <--- ill stop pasting these now, (but it's so much fun) |
| 16:47.20 | IriX64 | *poof* WininX is born :) |
| 16:48.47 | poolio | Hoorah! Fixed due to my stupidity. I copied incorrect code from g_qa and ... needs to be rt_clean_rti() not rt_clean() |
| 16:57.25 | IriX64 | make is happy as long as it finds the shell hehehe |
| 17:02.03 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/winix.png |
| 17:03.37 | poolio | Woah! It runs so much faster without memory leaks :) |
| 17:21.33 | poolio | 2.7M Image, current status: doesn't look like it's converging but memory leaks are fixed and it runs much faster: [#cslounge] |
| 17:21.36 | poolio | oops |
| 17:21.40 | poolio | http://my.brlcad.org/~poolio/mon_2sph_large.jpg |
| 17:21.41 | poolio | there we go |
| 17:34.21 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/FJk0WY28.html << missed this one last time |
| 17:34.32 | IriX64 | opennurbs |
| 17:41.14 | poolio | brlcad: ahhhh! I'm getting 1GB of just database files :\ |
| 17:48.18 | poolio | brlcad: I think I have some success though! :D check it out: http://my.brlcad.org/~poolio/mon_3sph_good.jpg |
| 17:48.31 | poolio | all that changed was some tweaking of the fitness function and damn.... that looks like progress |
| 17:56.35 | CIA-29 | BRL-CAD: 03poolio * 10brlcad/src/gtools/beset/ (beset.c fitness.c population.c fitness.h): memory leak finally fixed. updated fitness function, much better results. |
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| 20:23.28 | IriX64 | heh i'm checking out brlcad into the windows environment /me is happy :) |
| 20:24.23 | IriX64 | anyone want a windows (+ cygwin dll's) cvs proggie? |
| 20:31.46 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/BT4WuO47.html <--- once the associations are made it's all falling into place |
| 20:38.21 | IriX64 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ i'll stop now again :) |
| 20:38.27 | IriX64 | whoop |
| 20:39.28 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/uK2e8y39.html forgot to submit it :) |
| 20:40.16 | poolio | i'm out for a bit. ta ta. |
| 20:40.23 | IriX64 | cya man |
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| 20:55.22 | thing0 | morning yall |
| 21:00.46 | louipc | afternoon |
| 21:02.49 | thing0 | just got in from clubbing ;) |
| 21:04.48 | louipc | sweet |
| 21:04.54 | louipc | I might go clubbing tonight |
| 21:06.40 | louipc | Laniakea: nice machine hah. maybe you should make a portable 'thigh-master' version |
| 21:09.07 | Laniakea | what's thigh-master? |
| 21:12.10 | louipc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thighmaster |
| 21:13.53 | louipc | sweet I found a vid http://youtube.com/watch?v=wkxFWVGqUCg |
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| 22:04.42 | brlcad | poolio: if you copied incorrect code, then it's not really your stupidity :) |
| 22:04.48 | brlcad | great for finding that, btw :) |
| 22:05.27 | brlcad | sounds like the bug, though, is in g_qa .. which should probably be fixed too :) |
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| 23:28.47 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/BN9rlo85.html <--- making progress, look closely at the last two lines. |
| 23:31.15 | ``Erik | rm with the -f flag never reports anything. |
| 23:31.35 | IriX64 | thought that was force no ? |
| 23:31.41 | ``Erik | it is |
| 23:31.53 | IriX64 | toasted a whole dos tree :) |
| 23:32.06 | ``Erik | deltree /y C:\ <-- does it, too |
| 23:32.07 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:32.17 | ``Erik | or at least, it USED to, I d'no about modern winderz |
| 23:32.23 | IriX64 | yeah and easier to implement :) |
| 23:32.49 | IriX64 | del has switches i think thesze days |
| 23:33.20 | IriX64 | just rebuilt that dos tree with cvs heh |
| 23:33.39 | IriX64 | why dual boot, use one on top of another |
| 23:33.45 | ``Erik | hum |
| 23:33.59 | ``Erik | the usual argument for using a *nix is improved stability, reliability, performance, etc |
| 23:34.09 | ``Erik | why would you put that ontop of windows? |
| 23:34.13 | IriX64 | wonder how hard it'll be to get kde up |
| 23:34.27 | ``Erik | a fortress with a balsa foundation? :) |
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| 23:34.34 | ``Erik | j0, twingy |
| 23:34.39 | IriX64 | for sots like me who are to lazy to learn all the moves of *nix |
| 23:35.46 | ``Erik | you seem to be confident in basic command line usage *shrug* plus, kde and gnome pander to the winderz folk for default config, so you'd theoretically feel more or less at home out of the box |
| 23:35.59 | Twingy | howdy |
| 23:36.51 | ``Erik | neat, what ic? |
| 23:36.59 | Twingy | 18F67J11 |
| 23:37.05 | ``Erik | and has jason tricked/coerced you into a micro-t or micro-baja yet? |
| 23:37.10 | Twingy | 128kB Flash, 4kB RAM, 2 USARTs |
| 23:37.17 | Twingy | no money |
| 23:37.27 | ``Erik | nah, the great big superbehometh of the PIC family? |
| 23:37.28 | Twingy | spending it all on electronics |
| 23:37.37 | ``Erik | I've been half eyeing my 16f88's here lately |
| 23:37.49 | Twingy | kinda... microchip has a 16-bit line now that has some DSP stuff and has 8 registers instead of just 1 |
| 23:37.57 | Twingy | in theory you could put a light weight operating system on it |
| 23:38.10 | ``Erik | I've also been thinking about busting out my hammer, box of nails, and buying some wood |
| 23:38.29 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/DsgQQB16.html <--- heh the associations held thru a power off/on cycle (hello twingy) |
| 23:38.33 | Twingy | I will probably move onto an ARM7S with math coprocessor though |
| 23:38.34 | dtidrow | is that an adapter from a surface-mount format to a DIP-style one? |
| 23:38.41 | ``Erik | um, in practice, primitive operating systems have been put on machines less powerful than the 16f88 in teh past :D (I'm such a computer history dork *sigh*) |
| 23:38.44 | Twingy | dtidrow, yes |
| 23:38.55 | Twingy | QFP64 made on my cnc mill |
| 23:39.13 | dtidrow | ah - figured it was etched |
| 23:39.15 | ``Erik | are you going to solder it to the final pcb, or use a socket? |
| 23:39.16 | Twingy | the stuff I'm doing is interrupt driven, so an OS isn't required |
| 23:39.26 | Twingy | everything is soldered |
| 23:39.29 | Twingy | no sockets |
| 23:39.30 | IriX64 | whoa |
| 23:39.33 | ``Erik | (and that's some awesome granularity work at that size) |
| 23:39.35 | IriX64 | no os |
| 23:39.42 | Twingy | took about 3.5 hours to make that |
| 23:39.52 | Twingy | ~45 minutes to solder... |
| 23:39.54 | ``Erik | hand constructed, no trace compiler? |
| 23:40.19 | Twingy | I used eagle with autorouting, made a schematic then converted to a board |
| 23:40.28 | ``Erik | ah, coo' |
| 23:40.36 | ``Erik | is the big flash area ground, or dead? |
| 23:40.41 | Twingy | even though gcam can conver gerber files to g-code now |
| 23:40.47 | Twingy | dead |
| 23:40.54 | dtidrow | soldering surface-mount stuff is tricky without the right tools |
| 23:41.15 | Twingy | I used solder paste and a $20 griddle from walmart |
| 23:41.24 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:41.31 | dtidrow | cheater ;-) |
| 23:41.34 | ``Erik | hillbilly sme oven? :D |
| 23:41.44 | Twingy | it works.. 400F, paste melts at 380F |
| 23:41.50 | Twingy | got the idea from Nathan |
| 23:41.58 | ``Erik | you could do that in your kitchen oven, too |
| 23:42.08 | ``Erik | bake up a batch of surface mounts along with your cookies |
| 23:42.29 | Twingy | probably don't want to put food on it after it's been baking boards |
| 23:42.42 | Twingy | even though the solder paste is RoHS I think |
| 23:43.02 | Twingy | soldering QFP64's is a pita with no solder mask |
| 23:43.04 | IriX64 | RoHS=? |
| 23:43.35 | Twingy | Restriction of Hazardous Substances |
| 23:43.41 | Twingy | i.e. no lead |
| 23:44.01 | IriX64 | thankyou |
| 23:44.27 | Twingy | I've been using clear coat to prevent the copper from oxidation one the board is done |
| 23:44.30 | ``Erik | hummmm, that back to the future car, that's at, uh, universal studios out in la? looks awful familiar |
| 23:44.51 | ``Erik | if that's the same, they haven't changed the exhibit in over 10 years |
| 23:45.40 | IriX64 | Train or car :) |
| 23:45.49 | Twingy | car |
| 23:48.16 | Twingy | the 2 students I'm mentoring have a working autopilot for an emaxx now |
| 23:48.24 | Twingy | running off an 18F2420 |
| 23:48.53 | Twingy | I have a little report on how I was able to put GPS, Servo PWM, Control, and Comms on a single PIC chip |
| 23:49.13 | Twingy | they are using the base code and filled in the control function to navigate waypoints |
| 23:49.29 | ``Erik | already out? |
| 23:49.34 | Twingy | not yet |
| 23:49.38 | Twingy | finishing it up |
| 23:49.42 | ``Erik | <-- wouldn't mind being on the dist list |
| 23:49.48 | Twingy | it's all interrupt driven |
| 23:49.59 | Twingy | pwm is tuned perfectly on an o-scope |
| 23:50.19 | IriX64 | if theres no os shouldn't it be event driven :) |
| 23:50.32 | ``Erik | erm, interrupts are events, yo |
| 23:50.43 | IriX64 | depends who you talk to |
| 23:50.54 | dtidrow | where do you think the events come from? ;-) |
| 23:51.08 | IriX64 | :) |
| 23:51.15 | IriX64 | you mean interrupts |
| 23:51.35 | ``Erik | interrupts happen, some os's decide to throw an event if it sees one |
| 23:51.48 | IriX64 | semantics |
| 23:51.52 | ``Erik | if you consider interrupts and events different, that is... |
| 23:52.18 | IriX64 | are they reentrant |
| 23:52.39 | ``Erik | interrupts themselves are atomic |
| 23:52.54 | Twingy | PWM and RS-232 is a real-time process and must be serviced by interrupts |
| 23:52.56 | ``Erik | what happens at high levels, where re-entrant and 'events' live depends on the developer |
| 23:53.22 | Twingy | control is something that does not need to be real-time and can occur between interrupts |
| 23:53.49 | IriX64 | an event can occur numerous times per second, the interrupt handler must be able to handle this |
| 23:53.53 | dtidrow | time to head home.... |
| 23:53.54 | Twingy | hardware buffered UARTs are very critical in a real-time environment |
| 23:54.10 | ``Erik | on the x86, for example, when an unmasked interrupt occurs, the interrupt handler will generally call 'cli', set up the appropriate event propogation, and once that's completed (atomically), call sti to allow the next interrupt |
| 23:54.20 | ``Erik | which, of course, happens in a scale of microseconds, if not nanoseconds |
| 23:54.37 | Twingy | on the PIC chip an interrupt eats about 6 instructions |
| 23:55.06 | IriX64 | bear in mind i only type with two fingers here |
| 23:55.30 | ``Erik | very slowly |
| 23:55.42 | IriX64 | heh doubled up did you |
| 23:55.49 | IriX64 | ;) |
| 23:57.51 | IriX64 | have two here need a third |
| 23:58.07 | ``Erik | I have two premade sockets, one in my bedroom and one downstairs, so installation should be trivial |
| 23:58.20 | IriX64 | true most are anyway |
| 23:59.42 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/0yqIws56.html <-- this isn't rocket science but i'm proud anyway :) |
