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| 04:06.04 | RodGallowGlass | http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos <----- why can't I get 7-10 to do this |
| 04:06.28 | RodGallowGlass | windowsside album |
| 04:07.27 | RodGallowGlass | framebuffer came up sweetly, had four open at once |
| 04:10.40 | RodGallowGlass | hah faceplate gui now works, i wont post another shot for now |
| 04:11.24 | RodGallowGlass | may I change the version number on my copy of 7.8.4 or is that prohibited? |
| 04:16.13 | brlcad | it's open source, you can do wahtever you want with it... just what's the point? |
| 04:16.46 | brlcad | it doesn't provide any benefit |
| 04:17.54 | RodGallowGlass | to distinguish what im doing from whats on sourceforge, or does the stuff on sourceforge dissapear when a new release comes out |
| 04:19.44 | RodGallowGlass | btw what are you doing still up :) |
| 04:21.20 | RodGallowGlass | you worry that I'll spread it around? |
| 04:21.56 | RodGallowGlass | it's not going anyfurther than me and you unless *you spread it around |
| 04:22.26 | RodGallowGlass | but im trying to convert to 7.10 |
| 04:30.18 | yukonbob | brlcad: 1 quick q -- when rendering large DSPs, (like that pac. north west stuff we were talking about) are gob & gobs of RAM typically required? I've got 1G RAM, but am dying w/ insufficient memory... can I tune rt? (I've even tried "-j 10,10,50,50", but still run out of memory) btw, I've got 4G swap... |
| 04:32.13 | brlcad | it is an in-core algorithm, so it has to be able to represent a 3D version of the data in memory (which is some multiplier of the input datasize that escapes me at the moment, but is larger of course) |
| 04:32.47 | brlcad | the acceleration structure it uses to progress fast through the dsp also takes up some memory space |
| 04:33.22 | brlcad | how big is the data set? |
| 04:33.27 | yukonbob | out of curiousity, what are the specs of the machine you used to build pugeot sound? |
| 04:33.50 | yukonbob | I'm using the smallest of that Pacific Northwest set... |
| 04:34.10 | brlcad | the size of the image being rendered doesn't matter much at all, it's the dsp data itself that will likely dominate |
| 04:34.17 | yukonbob | 37G |
| 04:34.32 | yukonbob | Megs, rather :) |
| 04:34.42 | brlcad | hehe, i was going to say... |
| 04:36.09 | brlcad | you mean the puget sound dataset? |
| 04:37.50 | yukonbob | oh no -- I'm talking about the whole region -- the specfic name I'm using is...disappointment |
| 04:38.19 | brlcad | i mean this is data you have then from some other source? |
| 04:39.07 | brlcad | more importantly, when you create the dsp, does it show the wireframe in mged? |
| 04:39.08 | yukonbob | "disappoint" rather -- for Cape Disappointment -- it's from http://duff.geology.washington.edu/data/raster/tenmeter/onebytwo10/ |
| 04:39.20 | yukonbob | wireframe looks like I imagine it should... |
| 04:40.19 | yukonbob | 1542x12018 data points |
| 04:40.25 | brlcad | can you post up the .g somewhere so I can look at it? (can upload via anon ftp to ftp.brlcad.org/incoming) |
| 04:41.03 | brlcad | hm, that is indeed just 37MB |
| 04:45.45 | yukonbob | brlcad: can you unzip bzip2 compressed-files? |
| 04:47.29 | yukonbob | "disappointment.dsp.bz2" incoming... |
| 04:52.00 | PrezKennedy | i want FiOS!! |
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| 04:56.03 | yukonbob | brlcad: disappointment.dsp.bz2 is uploaded --- I renamed the extention .dsp for my own identification, but w/i the .zip archive, it was the .bil file... |
| 05:03.28 | brlcad | looking |
| 05:06.41 | yukonbob | ...then I just open new db, and "in testmap dsp" file, [filename], 1542, 12018, 0, ad, 1, 1 |
| 05:07.31 | yukonbob | sometimes I'll even get a malloc issue at this point, but if I restart gmed, the 'testmap' is there, and seems usable. |
| 05:08.53 | brlcad | k |
| 05:09.05 | yukonbob | wireframe looks "reasonable" and is zoom-able/rotate-able, etc., but a simple "rt -o map.pix" chokes for me: |
| 05:09.30 | yukonbob | Additional mem=8192., #malloc=34, #free=2, #realloc=1 (32 retained) 0 malloc1738539264 dsp_bb array |
| 05:09.33 | yukonbob | bu_malloc: Insufficient memory available, sbrk(0)=xc745000 |
| 05:09.36 | yukonbob | bu_malloc: malloc failure |
| 05:09.38 | yukonbob | Raytrace complete. |
| 05:09.58 | brlcad | trying to allocate 1.7GB |
| 05:10.50 | yukonbob | ... I guess I'm just shy, and that's that for that, then :P ? |
| 05:12.51 | yukonbob | otherwise, I can strip data --- ie: remove every other column in odd rows, and skip even rows to "take strips" out of data and interpolate down... |
| 05:14.20 | brlcad | i'm not convinced there's not something else going on, a bug that was introduced perhaps |
| 05:14.57 | yukonbob | I'm running 7.8, btw |
| 05:15.55 | yukonbob | out of curiousity, what are the specs of the machine that you rendered Pugeot Sound with? |
| 05:15.56 | brlcad | have to rebuild here, so it'll be a little while before I can test |
| 05:16.00 | yukonbob | np |
| 05:18.24 | brlcad | iirc, I rendered that on a dual G4 a couple years ago, 2GB ram |
| 05:18.57 | yukonbob | ok -- and that dataset is substantially larger than "disappointment"... |
| 05:19.39 | brlcad | yeah, using the 16kx16k dataset .. about 500MB raw data |
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| 05:39.52 | yukonbob | brlcad: fyi -- I downsampled the data (stipped every second row, every second column) to make dataset 0.25 of previous size, and still fails w/ malloc... |
| 05:42.08 | yukonbob | ...and occasionally fails w/ malloc on creating the dsp, and crashes... but enough bug reports for tonight -- good evening :) |
| 05:50.06 | brlcad | yukonbob: thanks for the reports.. i'll have to call it a night as well and pick up on this tomorrow -- it's highly suspect that you are just up against some bug |
| 05:52.00 | brlcad | i'm curious how you parsed dem data so quickly too... folks have begged for a dem to dsp converter for quite a while |
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| 07:58.37 | brlcad | yukonbob: well the good news is that I can reproduce the problem with that data set, it goes into a frenzy getting stuck in an allocation loop of some sort during prep |
| 07:58.58 | brlcad | shouldn't be too hard to pin down since I can reproduce it .. let you know what I find out |
| 08:01.47 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/BUGS: dsp primitive is going into what seems to be an unbounded memory allocation loop inside dsp_layers during prep, reported by yukonbob (thx) |
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| 12:07.06 | tarzeau | brlcad: what is the status on modification and redistribution of the Documentation at http://brlcad.com/ ? |
| 12:07.21 | tarzeau | brlcad: is it possible to allow for change/redistribution in the documents? and the sources? |
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| 12:37.39 | Laniakea | tarzeau: hi |
| 12:37.48 | tarzeau | hi Laniakea |
| 12:37.57 | tarzeau | karel! |
| 12:38.09 | tarzeau | Laniakea: how are you able to build brlcad on linux? |
| 12:38.29 | tarzeau | Laniakea: and do you know www.sauerbraten.org ? |
| 12:38.43 | Laniakea | tarzeau: just compile from the sources |
| 12:39.07 | Laniakea | tarzeau: no I didn't know sauerbraten |
| 12:39.10 | Laniakea | is it free software? |
| 12:39.17 | tarzeau | yes it is |
| 12:39.40 | tarzeau | i get this error when i compile from the source: .libs/itclStubLib.o: In function `Itcl_InitStubs': |
| 12:39.43 | tarzeau | /var/www/debian/brl-cad/brlcad-0+20070603/src/other/incrTcl/itcl/generic/itclStubLib.c:71: undefined reference to `tclStubsPtr' |
| 12:40.41 | Laniakea | oh freeware, sucks |
| 12:40.42 | Laniakea | tarzeau: actually the latest brl-cad doesn't compile on my openbsd |
| 12:40.49 | Laniakea | so I use the one before :) |
| 12:40.56 | tarzeau | which version is that? |
| 12:41.03 | tarzeau | why does it not compile for you, same reason? |
| 12:41.18 | tarzeau | do you use special configure parameters? |
| 12:41.53 | Laniakea | tarzeau: the working one is 7.8.4 |
| 12:42.02 | Laniakea | I don't remember the nonworking one and don't remember the error message |
| 12:44.51 | tarzeau | Laniakea: k, i try that |
| 12:45.08 | tarzeau | Laniakea: any links2 news? and will you play or model stuff in sauerbraten? |
| 12:45.25 | Laniakea | tarzeau: no, since sauerbraten is not free software |
| 12:45.30 | Laniakea | we fixed some serious bugs in links |
| 12:50.12 | elite01_ | Laniakea, the engine is free |
| 12:50.53 | tarzeau | elite01_: i'm working on free maps,textures,skyboxes |
| 12:51.01 | tarzeau | elite01_: gonna find someone to make free music/sound effects |
| 12:51.24 | tarzeau | Laniakea: wonder what those serious bugs are... |
| 12:51.39 | tarzeau | Laniakea: any plan to stop development of version 0.x/1.x of links? |
| 12:56.45 | Laniakea | I don't know about any plan |
| 13:00.30 | ``Erik | what's the error with 7.10.0 on obsd? |
| 13:00.52 | tarzeau | i might've been missing libraries, retrying |
| 13:01.21 | ``Erik | heh, damn, I looked at sauerbraten and went "wow, that looks like cube, did cube change its name?" |
| 13:01.33 | ``Erik | is lee (eihrul/phinode) still working on it? |
| 13:01.33 | tarzeau | ``Erik: yes :) |
| 13:01.44 | tarzeau | ``Erik: it's cube 2, yeah they do, on quakenet #sauerbraten |
| 13:02.18 | ``Erik | when he was going to cmu |
| 13:02.22 | tarzeau | heh |
| 13:02.26 | ``Erik | small world |
| 13:02.30 | tarzeau | indeed |
| 13:02.57 | tarzeau | did cube also head the built-in editor? |
| 13:03.13 | ``Erik | huh? |
| 13:03.25 | tarzeau | sauerbraten has a built-in editor |
| 13:03.30 | tarzeau | i see |
| 13:04.28 | ``Erik | um, my interests were more science/engineering visualization, internals (working on ogl drivers, etc) and I flirted a bit with making a space combat game similar to the old xwing and wing commander games |
| 13:04.38 | ``Erik | "another fps" wasn't really on my radar |
| 13:04.44 | tarzeau | i see |
| 13:04.50 | tarzeau | it's also an RPG |
| 13:04.54 | tarzeau | www.eisenstern.com :) |
| 13:05.13 | ``Erik | heh, all my free time is blown on WoW these days :( *cry* |
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| 15:54.42 | thing0 | hey everyone |
| 15:54.42 | thing0 | what's up? |
| 15:56.36 | elite01 | thing0, the ceiling *hahahalolololroflmao* |
| 16:04.28 | thing0 | lol |
| 16:04.36 | thing0 | funny elite01 funny... |
| 16:04.39 | thing0 | ;) |
| 16:04.58 | elite01 | absolutely |
| 16:05.34 | elite01 | normally, i'm not like that, but this is the low mark of the week |
| 16:25.49 | ``Erik | uh huh, rrriiiigggghhhhhttttt |
| 16:25.50 | elite01 | o rly! |
| 16:25.50 | ``Erik | damnit |
| 16:25.50 | ``Erik | just hAD to remind me |
| 16:27.36 | ``Erik | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/lolcode_r.jpg |
| 16:27.37 | ``Erik | awesome |
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| 17:56.32 | brlcad | tarzeau: yes, change/redistribution is allowed -- some are public domain, some are BSD licensed |
| 17:57.03 | tarzeau | brlcad: is that written somewhere? |
| 17:57.12 | tarzeau | i can't find any info it's public domain or bsd licensed |
| 17:57.21 | tarzeau | hey docelic |
| 17:57.57 | brlcad | tarzeau: alas, the docs aren't doc'd very well :) |
| 17:58.11 | tarzeau | http://bp1.blogger.com/_MqThGo7hFdU/RldMKz1NEJI/AAAAAAAAAEA/qCFzfluWH94/s1600-h/ohalp.jpg |
| 17:58.18 | tarzeau | ``Erik: for ya |
| 17:58.30 | brlcad | i can tell you as needed, it's generally a matter of whether the document was created before open sourcing or whether it's a signficant derivative |
| 17:58.42 | docelic | hey hey tarzeau |
| 17:58.52 | tarzeau | docelic: since where are you using brlcad? and what for? |
| 17:58.54 | brlcad | pre-open source documents, like the tutorial series, are all public domain |
| 17:59.02 | docelic | tarzeau: not using, just interested |
| 17:59.22 | brlcad | those that are "part of the sources" and mostly those in CVS are all BDL (BSD doc license) |
| 17:59.29 | brlcad | and that's stated in the COPYING file |
| 17:59.56 | tarzeau | ok thanks |
| 18:00.03 | tarzeau | first need to get the debian package properly done |
| 18:00.08 | tarzeau | docelic: i see :) |
| 18:01.46 | jack- | tarzeau: how are you handling the structure? |
| 18:01.57 | tarzeau | jack-: what structure? |
| 18:02.05 | jack- | like, you certainly dont want to stuff all the binaries into $prefix/bin |
| 18:02.15 | tarzeau | jack-: all binaries go into /usr/bin |
| 18:02.28 | tarzeau | if they are not supposed to be run from users they go to /usr/lib/brlcad/ |
| 18:02.30 | jack- | i let brlcad completely reside in $prefix/lib/brlcad |
| 18:02.45 | tarzeau | jack-: and you got debian (or ubuntu)? |
| 18:02.50 | jack- | (for fink/macosx that is..pretty debianish) |
| 18:02.51 | tarzeau | jack-: currently i'm not able to build it |
| 18:03.00 | jack- | yes, ubuntu, but it doesnt matter for brlcad ;) |
| 18:03.01 | tarzeau | ah yeah, i looked into fink lately |
| 18:03.05 | jack- | i'm a mac guy |
| 18:03.08 | tarzeau | can you build it on ubuntu? |
| 18:03.13 | jack- | never tried |
| 18:03.19 | tarzeau | jack-: cool, me too (indirectly, nextstep/openstep). you into cocoa? |
| 18:03.22 | jack- | does it break at sdl stuff? |
| 18:03.26 | jack- | not at all :) |
| 18:03.43 | jack- | ..if yes, disable adrt and leave it out |
| 18:03.50 | jack- | not mature enough to be useful |
| 18:03.55 | jack- | and doesnt like to get built |
| 18:04.00 | tarzeau | no, this is the problem: |
| 18:04.13 | tarzeau | .libs/itclStubLib.o: In function `Itcl_InitStubs': |
| 18:04.13 | tarzeau | /var/www/debian/brl-cad/brlcad-0+20070603/src/other/incrTcl/itcl/generic/itclStucollect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:04.33 | jack- | hrm |
| 18:04.37 | tarzeau | .libs/itclStubLib.o: In function `Itcl_InitStubs': |
| 18:04.37 | tarzeau | /var/www/debian/brl-cad/brlcad-0+20070603/src/other/incrTcl/itcl/generic/itclStubLib.c:71: undefined reference to `tclStubsPtr' |
| 18:04.56 | jack- | and if you get it to build its own libtcl/libtk? |
| 18:05.03 | jack- | can be done with configure options |
| 18:05.09 | tarzeau | jack-: do i want that? |
| 18:05.12 | jack- | maybe |
| 18:05.33 | jack- | i'm lucky enough to have a brlcad-compatible libtcl api |
| 18:05.39 | tarzeau | you shouldn't do that on debian systems.. but then |
| 18:05.48 | jack- | but my libtik caused trouble too, so i just let brlcad do its own one |
| 18:05.52 | tarzeau | yuck src/ is full of other projects |
| 18:05.54 | jack- | problem solved, works 100% |
| 18:05.59 | jack- | yes :P |
| 18:06.00 | tarzeau | what's the configure options for you? |
| 18:06.05 | jack- | complete UTAHRLE etc |
| 18:06.24 | jack- | ./configure --prefix=$MYPREFIX --otheroptions |
| 18:06.25 | tarzeau | maybe it's a start to get ugly packages, then work them down |
| 18:06.35 | tarzeau | i want to know your --otheroptions :) |
| 18:06.43 | jack- | just do ./configure --help and read that bible.. |
| 18:06.46 | jack- | ok hold on a sec |
| 18:06.47 | tarzeau | ok |
| 18:06.56 | tarzeau | finishing to build pixie first.. but then i'll check that |
| 18:08.00 | jack- | pixie rocks :) great renderer |
| 18:08.32 | jack- | arent you pretty jealous sometimes when you see those 200 extra repos and 20000 packages in ubuntu.. |
| 18:08.47 | tarzeau | not at all |
| 18:08.52 | tarzeau | i hate unofficial repos |
| 18:09.04 | tarzeau | they break stuff, they are of lowest quality |
| 18:09.09 | tarzeau | i like to have stuff in debian main |
| 18:09.11 | jack- | i can understand that, yeah |
| 18:09.25 | tarzeau | ubuntu doesn't have half as much of the software debian sid+experimental has |
| 18:09.30 | tarzeau | jack-: besides i'm a packaging whore: |
| 18:09.33 | jack- | oh? cool :) |
| 18:09.38 | tarzeau | jack-: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 18:09.55 | tarzeau | (doing this also at work, well got the job after i was doing many packages) |
| 18:10.00 | tarzeau | pretty cool actually |
| 18:10.32 | jack- | :) |
| 18:10.53 | jack- | http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/maintainer.php?maintainer=jackfink |
| 18:10.55 | jack- | = me |
| 18:11.09 | jack- | not less of a packaging whore i guess |
| 18:11.12 | tarzeau | jack-: hehe :) and i got like 33 ports in freebsd |
| 18:11.27 | jack- | but fink is fun, i discovered pretty much all the stuff myself |
| 18:11.28 | tarzeau | i got a mac os x box too at work, did we meet in #fink ? |
| 18:11.34 | tarzeau | i tried to make some debian2fink tool |
| 18:11.38 | jack- | some things never got packaged into any dist yet :) |
| 18:11.46 | jack- | might well have been :) |
| 18:11.50 | tarzeau | jack-: check http://gnu.ethz.ch/fink/debian2fink.txt |
| 18:11.56 | tarzeau | jack-: which? which? |
| 18:12.00 | tarzeau | i'll make debian packages :) |
| 18:12.26 | jack- | google for sphinx project |
| 18:12.26 | jack- | some .edu site |
| 18:12.27 | tarzeau | is there stats of fink packages and its maintainers? i could add them to http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 18:12.47 | jack- | hmm, i'm not in the core team..i'll check |
| 18:13.00 | jack- | think there's no real stats system at all, yet |
| 18:13.27 | tarzeau | do you know condor wisconsin ? |
| 18:13.39 | jack- | the name rings a bell |
| 18:13.44 | jack- | but i have no idea atm |
| 18:13.46 | tarzeau | job distribution |
| 18:15.44 | jack- | cksfv, evolvotron, bwm-ng, iftop, throttled are probably the rarest ones on the list |
| 18:15.54 | jack- | not sure if they ever got packaged anywhere else yet |
| 18:16.25 | jack- | packaging stuff is sweet, somehow |
| 18:16.33 | tarzeau | oh evolvotron looks interesting |
| 18:16.38 | jack- | 100% legal and still some kind of piracy ;) |
| 18:16.41 | tarzeau | jack-: yeah many people get to use software |
| 18:16.42 | jack- | yeah it rocks! |
| 18:17.06 | tarzeau | jack-: like i found www.sauerbraten.org as a package, i got addicted to badly, since a week |
| 18:17.07 | tarzeau | now to help improve the game i found misfit model 3d and packaged it right away :) |
| 18:17.14 | jack- | cool :) |
| 18:17.22 | tarzeau | then stumpled upon old wishlist bugreports like brlcad and pixie .. doing them as well |
| 18:17.54 | jack- | once i know you better, i'll tell you what made me discover sphinx2/sphinx3 and like 5 other open source speech recognizin tools |
| 18:18.01 | jack- | life rocks, somehow ;) |
| 18:18.24 | tarzeau | heh k |
| 18:18.38 | tarzeau | if you ever are bored check out my http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 18:19.20 | jack- | nice :) |
| 18:19.35 | jack- | like we have a guy in #fink who does an own slackintosh thing |
| 18:19.38 | jack- | fun as well |
| 18:20.02 | jack- | anyway, i need to jump out |
| 18:20.05 | jack- | later :) |
| 18:20.08 | tarzeau | jack-: you know what fink package is missing? opencubicplayer |
| 18:20.10 | tarzeau | later |
| 18:20.16 | jack- | opencubic? |
| 18:20.20 | tarzeau | yeah music player |
| 18:20.45 | jack- | better than amarok/xmms/juk/noatun/beep/etc/etc? |
| 18:20.50 | tarzeau | http://cow.ethz.ch/ocp2.png |
| 18:20.59 | tarzeau | http://cow.ethz.ch/ocp.png |
| 18:21.07 | tarzeau | rly! kickass i swear. |
| 18:21.24 | jack- | cute :) |
| 18:21.32 | jack- | i'll check what it needs |
| 18:21.47 | tarzeau | cu |
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