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| 00:23.38 | IriX64 | winaxepro is nice you get to see all the pretty colors in havoc and friends :) |
| 00:35.50 | IriX64 | Labf are the makers if anyone cares, says it'll run on Linux too. |
| 01:02.08 | IriX64 | err got that wrong, linux stuff on your windows box, is that right? |
| 01:58.02 | IriX64 | wy does this happen ----> http://www.pastebin.ca/460460 |
| 01:58.09 | IriX64 | why too. |
| 02:01.37 | Twingy | rm -rf autom4te.cache |
| 02:02.33 | IriX64 | ty |
| 02:02.55 | bjorkBSD | IriX64, is your system always compiling? |
| 02:03.06 | bjorkBSD | it would be done by now even on a 386 :P |
| 02:03.06 | IriX64 | 90% of the time:) |
| 02:03.11 | bjorkBSD | how comes? |
| 02:03.27 | IriX64 | different things go on all at the same time. |
| 02:04.47 | IriX64 | anything I give you should be considered "produced by beta code" |
| 02:05.41 | bjorkBSD | ah so you're 'fixing' it? :) |
| 02:05.57 | IriX64 | truth bells ring :) |
| 02:09.19 | IriX64 | twingy, doesn't make distclean remove that? |
| 02:16.10 | IriX64 | this happens on a ./autogen.sh --verbose ---- > http://www.pastebin.ca/460476 |
| 02:18.19 | Twingy | dunno |
| 02:18.40 | IriX64 | me either.. can't be important ;) |
| 02:19.59 | Twingy | gonna make me some circuit boards |
| 02:20.26 | IriX64 | all right a silk screener :) |
| 02:20.39 | Twingy | silk screener would be easy |
| 02:20.49 | IriX64 | heh what etch pen then? |
| 02:20.52 | Twingy | just put in a paint marker |
| 02:20.59 | Twingy | 1/16" tip |
| 02:21.09 | IriX64 | chisel of course |
| 02:21.40 | Twingy | or cut a stencil |
| 02:21.49 | IriX64 | cookie cutter |
| 02:21.50 | Twingy | but won't be aligned perfectly |
| 02:21.57 | IriX64 | or at all |
| 02:22.10 | IriX64 | mirror image is fun too |
| 02:22.27 | Twingy | pcb takes care of all that |
| 02:22.46 | IriX64 | what do you use for laying out the board, brlcad? |
| 02:22.52 | Twingy | gcam will take pcb gerber and allow you to position then you can instruct the machine to cut out the board on pass #3 |
| 02:22.57 | Twingy | no, pcb |
| 02:23.20 | IriX64 | never heard of it but then i haven't played with such in a decade |
| 02:23.34 | Twingy | great little program for making double sided pcb's |
| 02:23.42 | IriX64 | sweet |
| 02:23.54 | Twingy | set one side to ground and other side for power and signal |
| 02:24.05 | IriX64 | multilayer? |
| 02:24.11 | Twingy | then solder paste and a cheap $30 electric grill |
| 02:24.21 | Twingy | multilayer yes, but you can't mill that |
| 02:24.30 | IriX64 | bang you're producing |
| 02:24.34 | Twingy | you'd have to epoxy them together |
| 02:24.48 | IriX64 | guy i know used to send his away to get done |
| 02:24.59 | Twingy | I could probly do 2-layer without a problem |
| 02:25.09 | Twingy | beyond that I think I would just have it manuf |
| 02:25.23 | IriX64 | that program do auto-route? |
| 02:25.39 | Twingy | rats nest stuff |
| 02:25.44 | Twingy | not as good as eagle |
| 02:25.47 | Twingy | but it's free |
| 02:25.52 | IriX64 | meaning some hands on? |
| 02:25.59 | Twingy | good for laying out small 8-bit MCU stuff |
| 02:26.06 | IriX64 | got it |
| 02:26.21 | Twingy | most stuff I do is < 100 traces |
| 02:26.36 | Twingy | one I did last night is ~40 |
| 02:26.40 | IriX64 | what are you building? |
| 02:26.48 | Twingy | work stuff |
| 02:27.12 | IriX64 | if it goes wrong put it in the forge, get your copper back:) |
| 02:27.38 | Twingy | I used to make these with ferric chloride etching |
| 02:27.45 | Twingy | that was just a pain |
| 02:27.56 | IriX64 | too much washing? |
| 02:27.57 | Twingy | I still have a liter of it in the garage |
| 02:28.01 | Twingy | it's toxic! |
| 02:28.09 | Twingy | has a huge jolly rogers symbol on it |
| 02:28.15 | IriX64 | heh donate it to someone :) |
| 02:28.18 | Twingy | it'll eat a penny in minute |
| 02:28.26 | Twingy | fun stuff |
| 02:29.01 | Twingy | UV and FeCl etching is waste of time |
| 02:29.10 | IriX64 | toululene for cleanup? |
| 02:29.17 | Twingy | orange peals |
| 02:29.29 | Twingy | or lemon |
| 02:29.35 | IriX64 | citric |
| 02:29.38 | Twingy | jes |
| 02:30.21 | Twingy | when you are doing traces < 20mil it's impossible |
| 02:30.37 | Twingy | UV can do 10mil sorta |
| 02:32.05 | IriX64 | outta my realm now |
| 02:33.20 | Twingy | I'll probly be working on gerber stuff all weekend |
| 02:33.33 | IriX64 | gerber? |
| 02:33.39 | Twingy | RS274 |
| 02:33.47 | Twingy | photoplotting format for PCB's |
| 02:33.57 | Twingy | just need to make a sexy photoplotter->MCB algorithm |
| 02:33.57 | IriX64 | not familiar with that standard |
| 02:34.22 | IriX64 | heh tie her in colors |
| 02:35.01 | IriX64 | done anymore work on the forge? |
| 02:36.46 | IriX64 | back to work |
| 02:39.43 | Twingy | I made a new one |
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| 02:39.52 | Twingy | far more efficient than last one |
| 02:40.35 | Twingy | I need to put a piece in an cut the rocket motor out |
| 02:40.45 | Twingy | need to finish gerber first |
| 02:40.55 | Twingy | rocket will need electronics |
| 02:40.59 | bjorkBSD | how expensive was it, Twingy? |
| 02:41.04 | Twingy | wsa what? |
| 02:41.10 | bjorkBSD | new forge. |
| 02:41.20 | Twingy | heh, it's a bucket and a piece of threaded rod |
| 02:41.39 | Twingy | so like $2.50 maybe ? |
| 02:41.57 | Twingy | 30%-40% more energy efficient than last one |
| 02:42.43 | bjorkBSD | damn! |
| 02:42.46 | bjorkBSD | any pix? |
| 02:43.27 | dli | cvs building fails |
| 02:43.37 | Twingy | picture an upside down bucket with a rod out the top with various slits and cuts from a bandsaw |
| 02:44.06 | bjorkBSD | cool :) |
| 02:44.29 | bjorkBSD | your own invention or a popular idea i've not come across yet. |
| 02:44.53 | Twingy | my idea cause I'm poor |
| 02:44.57 | Twingy | and I had a bucket |
| 02:45.01 | Twingy | and a piece of rod |
| 02:45.24 | Twingy | and wondered why I even bothered with the bricks |
| 02:52.30 | bjorkBSD | since it's your invention, some pix would be nice :D |
| 02:52.43 | bjorkBSD | ... por favor, ie |
| 02:52.45 | Twingy | it's not an invention! |
| 02:52.49 | Twingy | it's a friggin bucket! |
| 02:52.55 | Twingy | I'll try and take pics this weekend |
| 02:53.01 | bjorkBSD | heheh i know. |
| 02:53.28 | bjorkBSD | it's the mundane easily overlooked things which spark the best ideas. |
| 02:53.35 | Twingy | yep |
| 02:56.42 | Twingy | this cnc mill is the best $1800 I ever spent hands down |
| 03:01.18 | bjorkBSD | a taig? |
| 03:01.32 | Twingy | jes |
| 03:01.43 | bjorkBSD | i'm poorer than thou |
| 03:01.52 | Twingy | I bought it after I sold my town house |
| 03:01.54 | Twingy | I had money then |
| 03:01.56 | bjorkBSD | hah! |
| 03:02.10 | bjorkBSD | i can only afford one of those things after i build it from gingery's specs. |
| 03:02.20 | Twingy | had enough money for tile in the kitchen, redwood for the living room, and a taig cnc + tools |
| 03:03.00 | Twingy | next summer I'm going to dump a bunch of money into making the front/back yard look nice |
| 03:03.13 | Twingy | too poor this summer |
| 03:08.18 | Twingy | I need to put in a digikey order soon |
| 03:08.25 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/index.php <--- heh bu_bomb() works :) |
| 03:46.45 | IriX64 | man i did it again, pasted the index, urfffff :( |
| 03:51.01 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/460579 |
| 03:51.17 | IriX64 | ahhhh forget it it's not important |
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| 07:23.27 | clock_ | brlcad: did you see my capscrews? |
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| 19:06.05 | brlcad | clock_: not yet, been on travel all week, just got back .. be a while to catch up |
| 19:26.18 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 19:26.20 | smallfoot- | welcome back |
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| 20:31.38 | IriX64 | clock_: where may I see these cap screws? |
| 20:35.31 | IriX64 | http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos/work <----- your geometry, but i'd like to include something besides example geometry, and all i can do is a mug :) |
| 20:41.31 | clock_ | IriX64: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ the bottommost entry |
| 20:41.43 | IriX64 | ty |
| 20:42.05 | IriX64 | do you mind if i copy these? |
| 20:42.28 | clock_ | they are under GFDL |
| 20:43.06 | IriX64 | not familiar with GFDL, explain please. |
| 20:43.46 | clock_ | do you know CC-BY-SA? |
| 20:43.57 | IriX64 | no. |
| 20:44.02 | clock_ | Creative Commons by Share-Alike |
| 20:44.34 | clock_ | you can copy GFDL stuff as long as you give people access to the source and if you make a derivative work, it has to be under GFDL too |
| 20:44.39 | clock_ | it's basically a GPL for documentation |
| 20:44.45 | clock_ | also made by Free Software Foundation. |
| 20:44.49 | IriX64 | thought it was some kind of licence thats why I ask, ill give proper credit, how would you like it worded? |
| 20:44.52 | IriX64 | ty |
| 20:45.38 | clock_ | (c) under GFDL 2007 Karel Kulhavy? |
| 20:46.36 | clock_ | are they useful for you? |
| 20:48.22 | clock_ | You can also generate yourself some bolts, with this program http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/lib/hex.c |
| 20:48.38 | clock_ | link allenbolt and hexbolt to be symlink to the program executable and then run e.g. ./allenbolt M3x40 or ./hexbolt M12x700 |
| 20:52.20 | IriX64 | id need source (rebuild ala cygwin) |
| 20:52.38 | IriX64 | whoa that is source, ijust a sec. |
| 20:53.15 | IriX64 | ill compile it latewr let me finish this. |
| 21:00.36 | IriX64 | http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos/twibright The first page caption points to your page. |
| 21:00.54 | IriX64 | they're not in any particular order |
| 21:01.29 | IriX64 | had no idea you could do threading in brlcad :) |
| 21:01.52 | IriX64 | have no idea period ;) |
| 21:05.51 | IriX64 | compiles clean and it runs will run on windows with the cygwin1.dll clock_. |
| 21:05.52 | clock_ | oh man the angle dist cursor is awesome |
| 21:05.58 | clock_ | IriX64: good |
| 21:06.02 | clock_ | IriX64: are you a brl-cad developer? |
| 21:06.08 | IriX64 | heh they did a good job on that |
| 21:06.17 | IriX64 | nah man i just play |
| 21:07.34 | IriX64 | my addiction calls, ill be back after i satisfy the tobbaco craving. |
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| 21:24.48 | IriX64 | gcc -o hex.exe hex.c <--- results in an exe, no errors no warnings, I like that |
| 21:25.14 | IriX64 | should include in external, then just exec hex |
| 21:30.31 | ``Erik | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg |
| 21:33.51 | IriX64 | they never heard of my little pony? |
| 21:43.48 | clock_ | The mged already corrupted itself the database in a way that even restarting mged doesn't fix it: |
| 21:43.51 | clock_ | Initializing and backgrounding, please wait...db_dircheck: Duplicate of '', given temporary name 'A_' |
| 21:43.54 | clock_ | db_dircheck: Duplicate of '', given temporary name 'A_' |
| 21:43.57 | clock_ | db_dircheck: Duplicate of '', given temporary name 'A_' |
| 21:44.00 | clock_ | Done |
| 21:44.16 | clock_ | How can I get rid of it? The database operations now randomly fail with nonsensical messages, I cannot replace a too thick M8 screw with a good M8 screw. |
| 21:48.03 | brlcad | either g2asc && asc2g or do a keep in mged of the pieces that are okay or export or convert .. depends on the nature of the corruption |
| 21:49.04 | clock_ | now I exported into ascii and cannot reimport |
| 21:49.46 | clock_ | says Error: Temporary file (./_asc_2_g_temp_) is in the way (rename, delete or move it) |
| 21:50.37 | brlcad | remove the temp file |
| 21:50.46 | brlcad | unless that's what you actually named it |
| 21:51.27 | clock_ | When I remove it and import, mged just disappears and mged.core appears |
| 21:51.32 | clock_ | is that intended behaviour? |
| 21:51.40 | brlcad | huh? |
| 21:51.44 | brlcad | what are you doing? |
| 21:51.47 | clock_ | The binary data are saved into mged.core instead of perpend.g? |
| 21:51.56 | clock_ | 1) make sure perpend.g doesn't exist |
| 21:52.01 | clock_ | 2) mged perpend.g, create yes |
| 21:52.06 | clock_ | 3) import perpend.asc |
| 21:52.20 | clock_ | that's all folks |
| 21:52.36 | brlcad | ah |
| 21:52.55 | brlcad | that wasn't one of the approaches I mentioned :) |
| 21:53.09 | brlcad | run asc2g |
| 21:53.11 | clock_ | how do I make perpend.g from perpend.asc? |
| 21:53.31 | brlcad | this is failure recovery, have to see the output, make sure it can succeed |
| 21:53.50 | brlcad | likewise if there were any errors during g2asc, that would be very important |
| 21:53.53 | clock_ | couldn't the mged remove temp files when segfaulting? |
| 21:54.01 | clock_ | Or, generate unique temp filenames? |
| 21:54.16 | clock_ | Or instead of bugging with the annoying temp filename existing message, just silently delete the file himself? |
| 21:54.30 | clock_ | alias mged="rm *temp*; mged" |
| 21:55.07 | brlcad | it could do a lot of things, though potentially deleting user data wouldn't likely ever be one of them |
| 21:55.14 | clock_ | OMG I made it |
| 21:55.30 | clock_ | after several segfaults and database corruptions, I MANAGED TO REPLACE 3 SCREWS! |
| 21:57.01 | clock_ | OK, g2asc and asc2g is the magic anti-mged cure :) |
| 21:57.54 | brlcad | not always, but it's often a means to recover from an intentional or unintentional error |
| 21:58.35 | brlcad | not a "standard operating procedure" in the least though.. you obviously encountered at least one critical bug somewhere along the way |
| 21:58.47 | brlcad | whatever corrupted the database in the first place |
| 21:58.48 | clock_ | "" duplicate, renaming to "A_" also funny ;-) |
| 21:59.15 | clock_ | when I encounter a critical amount of critical bugs I stop sending bugreports ;-) |
| 21:59.28 | brlcad | somehow the database contains a geometry object that has an empty name |
| 21:59.46 | clock_ | casuse I just want my data and cannot spend 15 minutes collecting stacktraces every 5 minutes |
| 22:00.43 | brlcad | they also have to generally be fully repeatable to get fixed, and db corruptions rarely ever are (they're generally exceptionally rare) |
| 22:00.43 | clock_ | or did you already run out of my stacktraces and need a batch of fresh ones? :) |
| 22:01.14 | brlcad | you're certainly getting there ;) |
| 22:01.33 | clock_ | also those 0.0000mm overlaps are funny |
| 22:01.42 | clock_ | and it makes glitches in the screw pictures at coordinate zero |
| 22:02.09 | clock_ | floating point arithmetics a.k.a. the fish was sooooo big ... no wait ... sooooooooooooo big |
| 22:03.36 | clock_ | rtweight seems to hang on the treads and g2dxf seems to run excessively long |
| 22:03.46 | clock_ | threads not treads |
| 22:05.22 | brlcad | i would expect g-dxf to take a long time on the threaded models, they're also undoubtedly smaller than the tessellation tolerance |
| 22:05.42 | clock_ | Wanna a reproducible bang? I send you perpend.asc and it should bang mged 7.8.4 |
| 22:06.01 | brlcad | howso? |
| 22:06.09 | brlcad | on File -> Import? |
| 22:06.09 | clock_ | what's your e-mail? |
| 22:06.12 | clock_ | yes |
| 22:06.45 | brlcad | sure, send it over -- send it to bugs at brlcad dot org |
| 22:07.48 | clock_ | OK sent |
| 22:07.52 | clock_ | do you get that e-mail? |
| 22:08.01 | clock_ | Can you try? Do you have 7.8.4? |
| 22:08.09 | clock_ | Or you can try with whatever version, what happens :) |
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| 23:12.54 | smallfoot- | brlcad, when is next win32 binary release getting done? |
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| 23:57.09 | IriX64 | http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/stuff <----- frame buffer support works |
