| 02:41.47 | *** join/#brlcad LibertyTrooper (n=LibertyT@wsip-24-234-123-169.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 02:41.58 | LibertyTrooper | Hello |
| 02:42.03 | LibertyTrooper | Anyone home? |
| 02:44.08 | Twingy | Jeep Liberty, Isuzu Trooper? |
| 02:44.27 | LibertyTrooper | Libertarian in a Honda |
| 02:45.09 | LibertyTrooper | Actually, I have a password program that I also use to generate forum nick's. |
| 02:45.16 | LibertyTrooper | And this is what it came up with. |
| 02:46.00 | LibertyTrooper | Are you familiar with running BRLCad on OSX? |
| 02:57.39 | brlcad | several are |
| 02:57.53 | brlcad | best to just ask your real question :) |
| 02:59.09 | LibertyTrooper | Well... I cannot get mged to run at all. |
| 03:00.31 | brlcad | if you run /usr/brlcad/bin/mged in xterm, what does it do? |
| 03:00.45 | LibertyTrooper | it gives me an error. One moment. |
| 03:00.56 | brlcad | ~pastebin |
| 03:00.57 | ibot | pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ (BROKEN AND SUCKING NUTS), or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/, or http://paste.lisp.org/ for the lisp/scheme nuts, or http://paste-it.net |
| 03:04.07 | LibertyTrooper | One moment while I figure out why X won't start now. |
| 03:11.44 | LibertyTrooper | http://pastebin.ca/189491 |
| 03:12.26 | brlcad | ack |
| 03:12.29 | brlcad | opengl error |
| 03:12.34 | brlcad | what's your video card there? |
| 03:12.49 | brlcad | and what depth is your display set to? |
| 03:12.58 | LibertyTrooper | Whatever comes in a Macbook Pro ... :) |
| 03:13.10 | brlcad | hmmm.. |
| 03:13.16 | brlcad | did you compile yourself? |
| 03:13.20 | brlcad | or using the binary |
| 03:13.32 | LibertyTrooper | I'm using the binary. |
| 03:14.23 | brlcad | that's somewhat odd then.. |
| 03:14.24 | LibertyTrooper | I suppose I could try to compile it myself. But its been years since I compiled anything under X much less any flavor of Unix. |
| 03:14.58 | LibertyTrooper | I've got the Apple X11 installation straight from the CD ( I just installed it again to make sure everything was vanilla) |
| 03:15.18 | brlcad | compiling under the macbook pro's hasn't been fully tested yet frankly as I've been putting more effort into decoupling from X11 instead |
| 03:15.27 | LibertyTrooper | Its a Radeon X1600 with 256/VRAM |
| 03:15.51 | LibertyTrooper | (video) |
| 03:16.01 | brlcad | it could be some rosetta/x11 issue |
| 03:16.16 | brlcad | it's not a universal binary there |
| 03:16.42 | brlcad | does mged -c work? |
| 03:17.12 | brlcad | that kicks off classic console mode |
| 03:17.55 | LibertyTrooper | seems to start a console. Asks me to attach nullXlog? |
| 03:18.37 | brlcad | nu |
| 03:18.40 | LibertyTrooper | Sorry. I suppose that BRLCad is something that is way beyond my meager skills. I simply wanted to take a look at it because we do a lot with Motion control etc. |
| 03:19.06 | brlcad | ooh, here's a thread on the apple mailing list -- some issue with the x11 intel binary |
| 03:19.09 | LibertyTrooper | Its got an mged prompt |
| 03:19.40 | brlcad | that's good to know -- correlates with the mailing list info I just found -- go ahead and quit and try this: |
| 03:19.44 | brlcad | export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 |
| 03:19.47 | brlcad | then try again |
| 03:19.51 | brlcad | (without -c) |
| 03:20.03 | dtidrow | always inderect? |
| 03:20.17 | dtidrow | indirect, rather |
| 03:20.37 | LibertyTrooper | Got what seems to be the editor :) |
| 03:20.54 | Maloeran | Indirect opengl rendering, if there's no real hardware implementation available.. |
| 03:21.30 | brlcad | yeah, it's bypassing the x11 opengl context, there seems to be a bug or endian issue at least in the x11 client |
| 03:21.46 | brlcad | (according to this mini-thread I just stumbled across) |
| 03:21.54 | dtidrow | yuck |
| 03:22.09 | brlcad | means nothing to mged, doesn't need/benefit |
| 03:22.29 | dtidrow | probably, but sucks for other things |
| 03:22.40 | LibertyTrooper | Ok. Now I can being to figure this out. Thanks *very* much. |
| 03:22.46 | LibertyTrooper | I can begin |
| 03:22.49 | brlcad | LibertyTrooper: glad it worked, good to know |
| 03:23.04 | brlcad | LibertyTrooper: the tutorial series on the website is generally the place to start |
| 03:23.07 | brlcad | and the other docs there |
| 03:23.12 | dtidrow | you guys see the latest in SCOvWorld saga? |
| 03:23.15 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org |
| 03:23.19 | LibertyTrooper | I've downloaded them all. |
| 03:23.49 | brlcad | LibertyTrooper: ah, best of luck then -- feel free to report any problems or make feature requests that come to mind |
| 03:23.56 | brlcad | dtidrow: nope |
| 03:24.02 | LibertyTrooper | SCO... are they still around? |
| 03:24.09 | dtidrow | barely |
| 03:24.41 | dtidrow | and if IBM & Novell get their way, SCO will be in Chap7 by the end of the year |
| 03:25.40 | dtidrow | Novell wants their 95% cut of the extra licenses that SCO sold to Sun and M$ |
| 03:25.57 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:26.08 | LibertyTrooper | Ok. Funny.. I used to work with SCO systems 90-92... Was "adequate" system and company then. Very good support; relatively speaking. |
| 03:26.13 | dtidrow | which is about $25M - SCO is only worth $40M |
| 03:27.01 | dtidrow | this is NewSCO - used to be (and soon will be again) Caldera |
| 03:27.03 | dtidrow | ;-) |
| 03:27.23 | LibertyTrooper | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.33 | dtidrow | heh |
| 03:27.37 | LibertyTrooper | but = buy |
| 03:27.44 | LibertyTrooper | I cannot type today it seems. |
| 03:27.45 | dtidrow | or get in on an IPO |
| 03:28.49 | brlcad | and to this a lot of this started over sco's left hand not knowing what their right hand did years before, releasing some of their own abi and code as open source |
| 03:29.29 | brlcad | later finding that code in the linux kernel and thinking oh noes! dey stole frum us! |
| 03:29.30 | dtidrow | I've still got some VA Software stock from their IPO - was able to get 100 shares at $30, sold 20 at $210, another 20 at $104, kept the rest |
| 03:30.26 | LibertyTrooper | I remember years ago, when I was in the Army, that SCO seemed to be everywhere :) |
| 03:30.59 | dtidrow | brlcad: it was more like "We need some money fast - let's extort IBM!" |
| 03:31.41 | dtidrow | they are now caught between an irrestible force and an immovable object |
| 03:31.43 | LibertyTrooper | Bah... Whomever the CEO is, cannot hope for another job after this mess :) |
| 03:32.11 | brlcad | dtidrow: well, that too -- i think it sort of snowballed and got out of control |
| 03:32.15 | dtidrow | LibertyTrooper: we expect him to do a perp walk in a year or so |
| 03:32.21 | Maloeran | SCO hasn't met a horrible and painful death yet? |
| 03:32.27 | LibertyTrooper | Yeah, dead in the water certainly is immovable (Novell) |
| 03:32.39 | dtidrow | Maloeran: check groklaw - the fat lady is warming up :-) |
| 03:36.14 | LibertyTrooper | Its a concert that I don't care about because the music has already been played out. |
| 03:40.18 | dtidrow | heh |
| 03:40.37 | dtidrow | c'mon, the blood is starting to flow :-) |
| 03:41.30 | LibertyTrooper | I've enough going on trying to get used to using my Mac :) |
| 03:41.50 | LibertyTrooper | Though, what I've learned has convinced me that this is going to be my platform for a long time. |
| 03:42.15 | LibertyTrooper | Especially now that there is decent virtualization with Parallel |
| 03:45.58 | LibertyTrooper | Man, its a beautiful night here in Las Vegas... Temperature and humidity are perfect here on the patio. |
| 03:46.20 | LibertyTrooper | Where is everyone else? |
| 03:49.54 | Maloeran | Montreal, it's getting cool up here |
| 03:50.33 | Maloeran | Las Vegas wasn't especially warm in the evening when I passed by 3 weeks ago |
| 03:50.53 | brlcad | a little north of baltimore, also a great night |
| 03:51.21 | LibertyTrooper | Well, I was in Texas 3 weeks ago so I didn't know what it was like here :) |
| 03:51.28 | dtidrow | it's been downright brisk recently, for this time of year |
| 03:52.29 | LibertyTrooper | Texas was nice too though. I was at Matagorda bay. The only bad thing was the mosquito's (sp?) |
| 03:53.00 | brlcad | ~spell mosquito |
| 03:53.53 | LibertyTrooper | My wife seems to be especially tasty to them as well as extremely allergic. She looked like I did the first time I went paintballing with my friends. |
| 03:53.58 | LibertyTrooper | Only worse. |
| 03:54.04 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:54.27 | dtidrow | ouch |
| 03:54.55 | dtidrow | yeah, I'm like that too - they seem to find my blood especially tasty |
| 03:56.07 | LibertyTrooper | I think its probably too much potassium. I heard tell that they were attracted more to people with high potassium levels. |
| 03:57.03 | LibertyTrooper | But perhaps the advice not to eat a banana before venturing outside in hot humid areas is an "old wives tale" |
| 03:57.55 | LibertyTrooper | I appreciate the help. I've got just enough going my way now to be very annoying with my questions about BRLCad :) |
| 04:02.14 | LibertyTrooper | Oh, btw, anyone have an opinion of sketchup? |
| 04:05.26 | brlcad | it's a rather nice modeling-for-the-masses tool with some decent ideas |
| 04:06.14 | LibertyTrooper | I found some of its tools and related concepts to be very easy. Others were not quite so intuitive though. |
| 04:06.14 | brlcad | not a solid modeler in the least, or well suited to any sort of CAd or engineering really, but it serves their purpose quite nicely |
| 04:07.15 | LibertyTrooper | BRLCad is suited to machine simulations, yes? |
| 04:08.56 | brlcad | what do you mean by machine simulations? |
| 04:09.06 | LibertyTrooper | My unfamiliarity with the technical terms for exactly what I'm trying to ask probably leads to some confusion. In other words, one can design a simple gear and then us BRLCad to simulate its action in the real world. Would this statement be accurate or inaccurate? |
| 04:09.59 | brlcad | hm accurate yes, though the answer is a bit of a convoluted "sorta" yes and no |
| 04:10.11 | LibertyTrooper | LOL :) |
| 04:10.42 | brlcad | there are currently no parametrics or contraints that you'd normally want to perform a realistic geometric simulation *automatically* |
| 04:11.44 | brlcad | there are, however, all of the facilities to represent that gear correctly to a given physical representation, validate that representation, and apply modifications according to some simulation (rotate the gear, ensure there are no overlaps, etc) |
| 04:12.12 | LibertyTrooper | Ok. Thats somewhat of the answer for which I was looking. |
| 04:13.13 | LibertyTrooper | Thanks again. I'm going to refrain from any more questions tonight. Goodnight all :) |
| 04:13.23 | brlcad | g'night! |
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| 11:49.09 | ``Erik | ehhhh |
| 11:50.08 | ValveQ | hello Erik |
| 11:52.18 | ``Erik | 'sup? |
| 11:53.20 | ValveQ | coding some simple CAM function |
| 11:53.41 | ValveQ | for iso g-code generation |
| 11:53.58 | ValveQ | (very brlcad unrelated) |
| 11:54.12 | ``Erik | heh, didja look at "gcam"? |
| 11:55.03 | ValveQ | no |
| 11:55.50 | ``Erik | http://gcam.js.cx/ |
| 11:56.08 | ValveQ | i can't find anything there |
| 11:56.21 | ``Erik | well, it's not released yet, heh, but supposedly will be soon |
| 11:57.03 | ValveQ | ok... |
| 11:57.07 | ``Erik | :D |
| 11:58.04 | ValveQ | i was thinking of implementing something thinner in Haskell |
| 11:59.19 | ``Erik | heh, haskell is fun, I played with it some back in, um, '00 ? |
| 11:59.39 | ``Erik | a lot of scheme back then, too... the scheme stuck, however |
| 12:01.27 | ValveQ | Haskell is pretty usefull as well |
| 12:02.17 | ValveQ | at least when you learn to use the more advanced stuff anyway (monads,arrows) :) |
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| 17:49.14 | brlcad | hmm |
| 17:50.26 | brlcad | ~nslookup gcam.js.cx |
| 17:51.57 | brlcad | ~nslookup 74.92.144.217 |
| 17:53.19 | brlcad | that server times out on dns queries |
| 17:56.26 | archivist | hmm worked earlier |
| 17:59.04 | archivist | self hosting like me probably? |
| 18:03.13 | ``Erik | heh |