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| 02:41.23 | IriX64 | Hey twingy, what's your heat source? |
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| 09:02.46 | LibertyTrooper | Know nothing newbie alert |
| 09:04.01 | LibertyTrooper | So, anyone home? |
| 09:04.15 | LibertyTrooper | Or, is it too late in da evening? |
| 09:16.48 | LibertyTrooper | So, this is probably futile; I'm attempting to run BRLCAD on OSX and not having luck. Of course, I'm simply executing the /usr/brlcad/bin/mged command but I've tried passing it tank.g as an option. |
| 09:17.03 | LibertyTrooper | I get some error mumbo jumbo : Major opcode of failed request: 129 |
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| 09:17.20 | LibertyTrooper | perhaps someone can shed some light on this? |
| 09:17.45 | LibertyTrooper | of course, don't everyone say everything at once. I mean.. its just botland it seems. |
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| 09:18.39 | LibertyTrooper | funny, I thought the AUP specifically stated No Bots. Perhaps I am wrong :? |
| 09:25.40 | archivist | its irc you need to wait a bit |
| 09:40.00 | LibertyTrooper | back. I'm using a new IRC client and multi tasking over several different computers. Please bear with me. |
| 09:40.43 | archivist | people who know brlcad on OSX are on US time |
| 09:41.10 | LibertyTrooper | I really have to stop being a nightowl I suppose :) |
| 09:42.32 | LibertyTrooper | I probably should find something less complex than BRLCAD... |
| 09:44.36 | LibertyTrooper | Any recommendations? |
| 09:52.06 | LibertyTrooper | It used to be that one couldn't find good CAD/CAM systems on Windows. They had to run on Unix. These days, though, its impossible to find anything reasonable that runs on the largest installed base of Unix around - MacOS :( |
| 09:52.29 | LibertyTrooper | The worst thing is that I'm a recent refugee from Windows... Just as I was once a refugee from *nix to windows |
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| 10:34.20 | brlcad | mm.. impatience |
| 10:36.14 | archivist | very |
| 10:36.57 | archivist | i cant believe "largest installed base of Unix around - MacOS" |
| 10:52.02 | brlcad | i've heard that quoted in many various forms and forums, at least for desktop computing |
| 10:52.27 | brlcad | not hard to buy in terms of largest unix-based vendor, though a lot harder to quantify as the largest installed base |
| 10:54.56 | brlcad | can't exactly readily measure how many use the various linux and bsds quite as easily since they don't equate to sales so directly |
| 10:55.46 | clock_ | brlcad: if you sell a macos does it mean it's installed? |
| 10:56.46 | brlcad | i presume you mean, if apple sells a mac, does it mean mac os is installed? |
| 10:57.03 | archivist | easier to mesure in terms of downloads for each op system |
| 10:57.06 | brlcad | of course not, but I'd venture 99% of macs retain mac os x |
| 10:57.56 | brlcad | the minority that buy a mac and then erase it to install linux is a vast minority in the big scheme of things, so you can generally equate the sales as OS users |
| 10:59.23 | brlcad | archivist: nah, downloads can be quite skewed.. heck I've downloaded 5 different linux variants over the past month alone and only got around to installing two of them |
| 10:59.43 | brlcad | neither of which am I using, was just testing |
| 11:01.09 | archivist | just as likely to be testing on other systems so the ratio of one to another is the clue stick |
| 11:01.39 | brlcad | huh? |
| 11:02.02 | brlcad | it's maybe informative as a bsd vs linux metric, but tells me rather nothing about the OS's that I don't download |
| 11:03.24 | archivist | Im thinking of qty of apps downloaded for operating systems not the op systems themselves |
| 11:03.36 | brlcad | the closest you can get to comparing there is probably by looking at web visitor stats, pick a site that has a fairly minimal bias and compare visitor's OSs or such |
| 11:03.48 | brlcad | ahh, perhaps |
| 11:04.14 | brlcad | though even there, different OS have different trends in how you obtain software |
| 11:04.59 | brlcad | I frequently buy Mac software, I don't generally ever buy linux software -- I rarely download mac software in comparison |
| 11:05.46 | brlcad | finding a piece of software that didn't have a user bias would be even harder than finding a website I'd imagine |
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| 11:06.45 | brlcad | (e.g. i'd suspect there's a lot more linux users that download firefox, even compared to windows downloads, simply due to the user bases and prevalent use) |
| 11:07.26 | brlcad | looking at stats for something like google or maybe cnn (us and international ed.) would be most telling |
| 11:21.49 | archivist | I spend a lot of time in #mysql and a large proportion of questions are from linux/bsd users but mysql state that windows binaries have a larger download qty (probably skewed by distros supplied stuff) |
| 11:41.40 | brlcad | heh, that's biased on so many levels |
| 11:42.20 | archivist | all stats are biased |
| 11:43.09 | brlcad | sure they are, which is why it's important to minimize the bias where possible if you want to derive any sense out of the stats |
| 11:44.12 | archivist | please dont remind be of Open University Statistics |
| 11:44.25 | brlcad | referring to how many people on a relatively obscure communication forum ask questions about a relatively market specific piece of software doesn't really say much at all :) |
| 11:50.14 | brlcad | which is why I mentioned site visitors, if it's installed desktop OS user base we're going after, then one thing almost universal these days is internet browsing .. picking a site that has fairly global appeal/popularity to minimize market/cultural/regional bias, ergo looking at stats for a place like yahoo, cnn, ebay, google, etc |
| 11:50.50 | brlcad | with that, I'd expect you might be able to get the error down to just a couple percentage points |
| 11:57.25 | brlcad | anyhow, we're not likely to get those stats until the big name sites tally up their results for us or provide some sort of interface to data mine |
| 11:58.37 | archivist | hehe that will be the day, thinking about "errors" I gota go to a gear manufacturer to take some gears back this afternoon, they through hardened so I cannot machine the hubs |
| 13:52.11 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 14:00.15 | Maloeran | müü |
| 14:02.18 | Maloeran | For that random thought which triggered a reconstruction of the side traversal, you'll be forced to have your name in the future paper Erik :) |
| 14:03.56 | ``Erik | heh |
| 14:04.03 | ``Erik | is the reconstruction... beneficial? :D |
| 14:04.36 | Maloeran | Theorically, it could save about 5-10% memory and speed up the traversal a tiny bit |
| 14:04.46 | ``Erik | sweet |
| 14:05.06 | ``Erik | <-- does the "creepy cg diaper baby dance" |
| 14:05.10 | Maloeran | Basically, it will be some weird tree where some following nodes can be fetched at fixed offsets, as in a list |
| 14:06.01 | Maloeran | Hum, more like 4-7% less memory |
| 14:07.01 | ``Erik | oh, um, that's actually a fairly well known approach... first year CS stuff, dude... |
| 14:07.45 | Maloeran | I know, but I need to store sector pointers when we jump out of the node tree there as well |
| 14:10.53 | Maloeran | Originally, I couldn't do that as nodes were being reused by neighbour sectors for connections, but that's not quite compatible with dynamic geometry support and doesn't save much ( the prototype does that ) |
| 14:11.31 | Maloeran | I noticed you were reading about convenience libraries, any news on that? :) |
| 14:12.29 | ``Erik | oh, um, I actually had the library wired into your program |
| 14:12.52 | ``Erik | but gcc does some funny things, apparently it does not like holding the symbol for global variables |
| 14:13.05 | ``Erik | which you use a few of :) (like mmCount would be undefined outside of mm.o) |
| 14:13.26 | Maloeran | Oh, hum. |
| 14:20.42 | Maloeran | Any thought then? Just #ifdef away these global variables for memory tracking? |
| 14:55.41 | ``Erik | well, the globals being in the object are fine... it's accessing them that's tricky... personally write "accessor" functions *shrug* |
| 14:55.49 | ``Erik | but we can always figure something else out *shrug* |
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| 22:03.18 | Maloeran | Justin's url for a laptop battery recommendation scrolled out of the irc buffer by a few lines, can anyone copy that for me?.. |
| 22:05.53 | IriX64 | what brand laptop? |
| 22:07.57 | Maloeran | Acer 3000, 3003wlmi more precisely |
| 22:18.37 | IriX64 | try www.acer.com or www.acer.ca. |
| 22:24.24 | Maloeran | "Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a03e9' Out of memory /vs/go/acer-aspire-notebook.asp, line 0" Out of memory, I like that :) |
| 22:26.18 | IriX64 | :) |
| 22:33.39 | IriX64 | $ gcc --version |
| 22:33.39 | IriX64 | gcc (GCC) 4.1.1 |
| 22:33.40 | IriX64 | Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 22:33.40 | IriX64 | This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO |
| 22:33.40 | IriX64 | warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
| 22:33.50 | IriX64 | IriX64@hagarsfi-f038a0 ~/brlcad-10.0.0look familiar? ;) |
| 22:36.05 | IriX64 | smokity break. :) |
| 22:57.22 | ``Erik | yes, looks like dumbass in motion. :D |
| 23:15.23 | Twingy | my heat source? |