| 00:39.02 | ``Erik | folk implosion rocks |
| 00:44.05 | Twingy | damn portupgrade is taking forever |
| 00:44.50 | Twingy | 2.9 rather |
| 02:13.15 | ``Erik | shoulda used -PP :D |
| 02:13.58 | Twingy | indeed |
| 02:14.09 | Twingy | I'm too used to being on fast machines |
| 02:14.22 | Twingy | maybe this 2.2ghz athlon 64 coming in the mail will solve that |
| 02:15.00 | Twingy | the sad thing is I don't think fbsd stocks 2.9 yet |
| 02:15.05 | Twingy | I think they are still on 2.8 |
| 02:15.14 | Twingy | so I will likely have to install by hand |
| 02:16.23 | Twingy | I wonder how hard it would be to get the fbsd admins to create a cam folder in ports |
| 02:20.32 | Twingy | the athlon 64 3500+ should be roughly 2.2x faster than this sempron 2200+ |
| 02:22.27 | ``Erik | creating a cam folder is trivial... convincing them that there needs to be one would be more or less impossible, "it should go in ports/cad/" will probably be the response |
| 02:25.15 | Twingy | I need to get a 20 or 23" display for home |
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| 15:52.26 | brlcad | don't we all |
| 15:57.05 | dan_falck | yep |
| 16:09.58 | Twingy | dan, I'm back on track again |
| 16:10.20 | Twingy | my e-machine was not delivering the proper signal to my cnc, moving this machine to the garage and ordered a new machine to replace this one |
| 16:10.33 | Twingy | once I upgrade to gtk2.9 I can resume development |
| 16:20.38 | dan_falck | cool |
| 16:22.01 | dan_falck | are you using EMC to run the machine? |
| 16:27.36 | ``Erik | what's 2.9 give you over 2.8.20 ? |
| 16:29.04 | ``Erik | (and 2.10 is out, which is the 'stable' continuation of 2.9) |
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| 17:13.52 | Twingy | 2.9 has spin widgets in tree view |
| 17:14.06 | Twingy | which I need for my polyline primitive |
| 17:43.13 | ``Erik | ah, coo' |
| 17:58.19 | Twingy | T-40 minutes to launch |
| 17:58.53 | Twingy | channel 51 |
| 18:06.59 | ``Erik | :o thanks for the heads up |
| 18:08.02 | ``Erik | 30:00 |
| 18:09.03 | Twingy | plus 9 min hold |
| 18:18.35 | brlcad | given how much he just LOVES crowds.. I doubt it :) |
| 18:19.18 | ``Erik | yeah, but he could watch it out his condo window |
| 18:20.49 | ``Erik | wtf.. |
| 18:20.57 | ``Erik | I was able to privmsg? freenode must be broken, heh |
| 18:22.04 | brlcad | nah, I disabled it |
| 18:22.23 | brlcad | individuals can disable it with nickserv, just defaults to off |
| 18:23.04 | ``Erik | ahhh, okie |
| 18:23.30 | ``Erik | I lost my password, so I asked them to delete the account (as that's the standard passwd recovery), but they never did it :/ |
| 18:24.57 | brlcad | actually, freenode has an account "expiration" policy |
| 18:25.03 | brlcad | they'll reset the password for you |
| 18:26.54 | brlcad | susan would probably do it quick enough (hedgemage) |
| 18:27.15 | ``Erik | huh, the dude I talked to (months ago) said he had to delete, and said he'd do it immediately :/ |
| 18:27.30 | ``Erik | no such nick o.O |
| 18:28.02 | brlcad | sleeping |
| 18:28.24 | ``Erik | O.O people sign off when they sleep? *boggle* |
| 18:28.34 | brlcad | i know, crazy talk |
| 18:29.45 | brlcad | there's plenty that might: /who freenode/staff/* |
| 18:31.32 | brlcad | course I know many of them so it might just be familiarity affecting their willingness |
| 18:33.03 | brlcad | woot, five minutes |
| 18:48.40 | brlcad | beautiful |
| 18:49.25 | ``Erik | they haven't stated the expected docking time... |
| 18:55.04 | ``Erik | ah, excellent, thunder, lightening and rain |
| 18:55.28 | ``Erik | so much for bbq |
| 18:57.57 | Twingy | everytime I build something I get spammed with pkg_delete: package apsfilter-7.2.6 has no origin recorded |
| 18:59.01 | ``Erik | um, that means it was aborted during the 'register' phase |
| 18:59.37 | ``Erik | cd path/to/apsfilter && make build deinstall reinstall clean |
| 19:01.46 | Twingy | thx |
| 19:02.17 | Twingy | this upgrade process is taking longer than anticipated |
| 19:02.25 | Twingy | so many errors and breakage |
| 19:03.08 | Twingy | btw |
| 19:03.15 | Twingy | still gives me the pkg_delete: package apsfilter-7.2.6 has no origin recorded |
| 19:03.56 | ``Erik | o.O um, is /var/db/pkg/apsfilter-7.2.6/+CONTENTS damaged ? |
| 19:04.20 | Twingy | 0 lines |
| 19:04.23 | Twingy | blow it away? |
| 19:04.50 | Twingy | that fixed things |
| 19:05.23 | ``Erik | did you do the reinstall thing on it? |
| 19:05.28 | Twingy | yes |
| 19:05.34 | ``Erik | and still 0 lines? odd |
| 19:05.42 | Twingy | libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libglib-2.0.so.600" not found, required by "orbit-idl-2" |
| 19:05.51 | Twingy | that's Orbit2 right? |
| 19:06.04 | ``Erik | I think |
| 19:06.30 | ``Erik | neither of my home boxes have apsfilter installed... |
| 19:06.58 | Twingy | it's for interfacing my laser printer |
| 19:07.28 | ``Erik | ah, if I had it, I'd give you my manifest files... but I don't, so *shrug* |
| 19:07.34 | ``Erik | no files in there should be zero length |
| 19:08.23 | ``Erik | when you make install, it uses the data from pkg-plist to generate the +CONTENTS file, so it can do a pkg_delete |
| 19:09.18 | Twingy | that snickers commercial cracks me up |
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| 19:12.52 | brlcad | damn, the dad on american chopper just easily benchpressed 405 lbs |
| 19:13.14 | Twingy | he lifts all day long |
| 19:14.12 | brlcad | pretty impresseive especially for his age.. |
| 19:15.11 | brlcad | says he tries to work out about three times a week |
| 19:16.13 | Twingy | maybe he's on roids |
| 19:16.18 | Twingy | he always has a bad temper |
| 19:29.29 | Twingy | install: /usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 19:30.11 | ``Erik | erm, you're not trying to install your hand-built 2.9 into the place where 2.8 goes, are you? |
| 19:30.25 | Twingy | no |
| 19:30.39 | ``Erik | oh, ok.. weird, what'd you do to that poor machine? :) |
| 19:30.48 | Twingy | I used ports *shrug* |
| 19:31.15 | Twingy | I guess 2.8.20 wasn't tested much |
| 19:31.20 | ``Erik | <-- has never heard of anyone having so many issues o.O :) |
| 19:31.31 | Twingy | most people don't install as much stuff as me either |
| 19:31.33 | ``Erik | my 2.8.20 install seems to be working fine |
| 19:31.38 | Twingy | I've got some 200-300 packages installed |
| 19:31.50 | Twingy | most people install like 40-50 packages |
| 19:32.34 | Twingy | like I said *most* |
| 19:32.51 | ``Erik | I think most people who use fbsd as a desktop are in around 300... |
| 19:33.02 | ``Erik | gnome and kde both glob loads of crap on |
| 19:33.23 | Twingy | most people don't use fbsd as a desktop env afaik |
| 19:33.28 | ``Erik | now I only have like 50 leaf packages... |
| 19:34.01 | ``Erik | 'pointyhat' installs all of everything at some point of it's run... |
| 19:34.37 | ``Erik | now a lot of ports don't clean up after themselves nicely... so once in a rare while, I do a pkg_delete -a and start installing stuff fresh... |
| 19:34.42 | Twingy | if this bombs I think I'll just hold out and install 6.1 on the new box |
| 19:35.05 | ``Erik | which is as much to get rid of pkgs I don't use anymore as to clean cruft... |
| 19:35.07 | Twingy | was hoping to get some development time in today |
| 19:35.34 | Twingy | spent 5 hours last night and 4 hours today trying to get gtk upgraded |
| 19:35.55 | ``Erik | damn... |
| 19:36.48 | ``Erik | on which fbsd? |
| 19:36.51 | Twingy | 6.0 |
| 19:36.53 | ``Erik | I can make package you a 7.0 |
| 19:37.00 | ``Erik | oh, I only have 6.1 and 7.0 |
| 19:37.22 | Twingy | I installed 6.0 on a handful of machines when I moved into the house in nov '05 |
| 19:37.33 | Twingy | I had to do a -Rauskf |
| 19:38.39 | ``Erik | uhhhhh, -f is, uh, bad mojo |
| 19:38.48 | ``Erik | -k, too |
| 19:38.58 | Twingy | yep |
| 19:39.09 | Twingy | hence this taking so long |
| 19:39.21 | Twingy | some combination of the ports I am using is causing bad mojo |
| 19:39.42 | ``Erik | do you have pkg_cutleaves installed? |
| 19:39.49 | Twingy | no |
| 19:40.14 | ``Erik | oh, if you did, you could give me the pkg_cutleaves -l output and I could try to emulate it on shiva or nifleim tomorrow |
| 19:40.43 | ``Erik | it could just be that something oopsed at some point and chucnks of your system have been broken-ish *shrug* |
| 19:40.43 | Twingy | not worth your time |
| 19:40.52 | Twingy | I'm sure you have more important things to accomplish at work |
| 19:41.33 | ``Erik | hah |
| 19:41.38 | ``Erik | I'm mandated otherwise. |
| 19:41.52 | ``Erik | actually, I got that metaballs thing I could do |
| 19:43.18 | Twingy | ok, here goes another install |
| 19:43.30 | ``Erik | heh, concerning your, um, new office? :) |
| 19:43.42 | Twingy | show and tell |
| 19:43.48 | Twingy | same problem |
| 19:44.05 | Twingy | /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel .libs/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0T /usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 19:44.06 | Twingy | install: /usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 19:44.06 | Twingy | *** Error code 71 |
| 19:44.20 | ``Erik | is it like a symlink to itself? |
| 19:45.39 | Twingy | hrm |
| 19:45.40 | Twingy | ok |
| 19:45.42 | Twingy | plan B |
| 19:45.47 | Twingy | deinstall everything |
| 19:45.49 | Twingy | in ports |
| 19:45.51 | Twingy | and start over |
| 19:46.02 | Twingy | make deinstall in /usr/ports ? |
| 19:48.28 | ``Erik | pkg_delete -a |
| 19:48.38 | Twingy | too late :) |
| 19:48.48 | ``Erik | then look through /usr/local and /usr/X11R6 for things that can be deleted safel |
| 19:48.49 | ``Erik | y |
| 19:48.57 | ``Erik | make deinstall in /usr/ports will take a long long long time |
| 19:49.02 | Twingy | yep |
| 19:49.04 | ``Erik | if you REALLY wanted to be fast |
| 19:49.06 | Twingy | specially over nfs |
| 19:49.12 | ``Erik | rm -rf /usr/local /usr/X11R6 /var/db/pkg/* |
| 19:49.13 | Twingy | wireless nfs |
| 19:49.21 | Twingy | nah |
| 19:49.34 | Twingy | if I'm not up and running in the next 2 hours I will hold off until I get my new computer tomorrow |
| 19:49.40 | Twingy | install 6.1 on both compys |
| 19:49.43 | Twingy | and go from there |
| 19:49.51 | Twingy | the file server is running 6.0 nice and happily |
| 19:50.37 | ``Erik | but I'm a bit more apt to hack on kernel and userland system |
| 19:52.43 | ``Erik | I'm thinkin' ruby is right for this problem... I've been flopping on language for months, heh |
| 19:53.04 | Twingy | spoken like a true computer scientist |
| 20:23.39 | Twingy | I plugged in my external usb 2.0 plextor CDRW |
| 20:23.46 | Twingy | and /dev/cd0 .. /dev/cd7 popped up |
| 20:24.02 | Twingy | burncd works with none of them |
| 20:24.24 | Twingy | and Mac OSX requires special software to burn on non-apple cdrw's |
| 20:24.34 | Twingy | far from a turn-key solution |
| 20:26.03 | brlcad | "non-apple cdrw"? apple doesn't sell cdrw's |
| 20:26.13 | Twingy | internal ones rather |
| 20:26.22 | Twingy | i.e I plug this cdrom drive in |
| 20:26.26 | brlcad | the older macs don't handle cdr+ discs |
| 20:26.28 | Twingy | and I don't get a fancy burn icon |
| 20:26.37 | brlcad | (like the Ti books) |
| 20:26.41 | brlcad | newer ones do though |
| 20:26.49 | Twingy | these are cdr- I believe |
| 20:27.05 | Twingy | I know I can burn them when the cdrw internal drive worked on the ti-books |
| 20:27.05 | brlcad | same for cd+rw vs cd-rw |
| 20:27.19 | Twingy | these are the same cd's I used to burn internally with the ti-book |
| 20:27.41 | Twingy | it's just very selective about what drives it provides for burning capabilities |
| 20:28.12 | Twingy | I've also never gotten burncd to work in fbsd before |
| 20:30.06 | Twingy | it'll write about 1.3MB then spit out input/output error |
| 20:30.15 | Twingy | at speed 1 |
| 20:30.19 | Twingy | 1x recording |
| 20:30.38 | Twingy | but it'll fixate it just fine for 2 minutes |
| 20:32.20 | brlcad | weird |
| 20:32.33 | brlcad | some buffer getting underrun/stalled for some reason perhaps |
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| 20:35.48 | Twingy | xcdroast doesn't seem to play nicely with it either |
| 20:37.46 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.55 | ``Erik | nothing out of dmesg? |
| 20:38.28 | Twingy | acd0: DVDR <ATAPI DVD RW 8XMax/160D> at ata0-slave UDMA33 |
| 20:38.34 | Twingy | cd0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 |
| 20:38.34 | Twingy | cd0: <PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A 1.01> Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device |
| 20:38.34 | Twingy | cd0: 40.000MB/s transfers |
| 20:38.34 | Twingy | cd0: cd present [1 x 2048 byte records] |
| 20:38.40 | Twingy | for both cdrw's |
| 20:39.29 | ``Erik | and youre line is something like "burncd -f /dev/acd0 data mydisk.iso fixate" ? |
| 20:39.34 | ``Erik | s/e// |
| 20:39.41 | Twingy | jup |
| 20:39.48 | Twingy | I through in a -s1 for good measure |
| 20:39.51 | Twingy | *threw |
| 20:40.00 | Twingy | write 1312kB |
| 20:40.04 | Twingy | then input/output error |
| 20:40.13 | Twingy | then red blinky light |
| 20:40.15 | Twingy | fixating |
| 20:40.19 | ``Erik | tried -d ? |
| 20:40.33 | Twingy | trying xcdroast now |
| 20:40.39 | ``Erik | the machine is more or less unloaded when you do this, right? |
| 20:40.51 | Twingy | seems to see the plextor |
| 20:40.54 | ``Erik | I think |
| 20:40.56 | Twingy | but not other drive |
| 20:41.04 | Twingy | yes |
| 20:41.49 | ``Erik | done a send-pr of the problem? |
| 20:42.41 | Twingy | no |
| 20:43.39 | ``Erik | odd... I haven't burnt a cd in bsd in quite a while, so mebbe they broke it since my last successful use... but someone else woulda noticed for sure if it was really broken... |
| 20:45.28 | Twingy | heh |
| 20:45.37 | Twingy | I haven't used xcdroast since 1996 when I burned like 50 cd's |
| 20:45.43 | ``Erik | are you doing some kinda tweak or tune to your machines? or are they 'out of the box'? |
| 20:45.52 | Twingy | out of the box |
| 20:46.09 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 20:58.47 | IriX64 | xcdroast -e for examine work? |
| 20:59.44 | IriX64 | i'll shutup. :) |
| 21:01.33 | IriX64 | no freaking clue what libc_iname is sposed to be or where it goes... sigh. |
| 21:02.37 | IriX64 | ill just void libc_iname(void){} and at least itll link. sigh. |
| 21:03.29 | Twingy | north korea just fired 3 missiles |
| 21:03.48 | IriX64 | you better be joking. |
| 21:03.54 | Twingy | negative |
| 21:04.00 | IriX64 | at who? |
| 21:04.03 | IriX64 | s k |
| 21:04.09 | Twingy | testing, check cnn.com |
| 21:04.22 | IriX64 | scared the pants off me thanks. |
| 21:05.26 | IriX64 | hate ppl trying to see how big a bang they can make. |
| 21:05.47 | IriX64 | that did it it links now. |
| 21:06.16 | IriX64 | btw am i welcome here im trying to build a brlcad. |
| 21:06.34 | Twingy | hm? |
| 21:06.44 | IriX64 | mh? |
| 21:06.58 | Twingy | were you askinga question or making a statement? |
| 21:07.06 | IriX64 | question. |
| 21:07.16 | IriX64 | forgot the ? |
| 21:07.20 | IriX64 | mark |
| 21:07.32 | brlcad | is there a reason for you to not be welcome? |
| 21:07.37 | IriX64 | im not quite sure what this channel is for. |
| 21:07.49 | brlcad | said it yesterday |
| 21:08.02 | IriX64 | well no but some channels are picky. |
| 21:08.09 | IriX64 | developers and help? |
| 21:08.27 | IriX64 | i have a damaged memory. |
| 21:08.33 | brlcad | if there was a brl-cad in-depth talk going on, it would take precedence over off-topic chit chat, but there's not right now so whatever |
| 21:08.44 | brlcad | otherwise, anything related to brl-cad |
| 21:08.48 | IriX64 | thankyou. |
| 21:08.58 | Twingy | thank you is two words :) |
| 21:09.04 | IriX64 | so what the fark is libc_iname. |
| 21:09.09 | IriX64 | hah so it is. |
| 21:09.26 | IriX64 | in vdeck.exe for example |
| 21:10.23 | brlcad | libc is the standard c library, that could be a lot of things |
| 21:10.40 | IriX64 | Sc.c line 139 and othewrs assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast. |
| 21:11.16 | brlcad | tis a warning, and yes there are a lot of those |
| 21:11.20 | IriX64 | but its an undefined reference to a function....ah wait i see.. thanks. |
| 21:11.27 | IriX64 | libc i mean. |
| 21:15.45 | Twingy | sweet |
| 21:15.55 | Twingy | got my external usb2.0 plextor working with xcdroast |
| 21:16.06 | Twingy | writing at 25x no less |
| 21:16.16 | Twingy | make that 28x |
| 21:17.03 | Twingy | sustaining at 40x |
| 21:17.47 | Twingy | avg speed was 30x, hrm good deal |
| 21:18.47 | Twingy | first cd I ever burned in fbsd, heh |
| 21:19.35 | Twingy | amd64 done, time for i386 |
| 21:25.14 | Twingy | 1024x768 requires too many virtual workspaces |
| 21:28.35 | Twingy | 1680x1050 even |
| 21:29.24 | Twingy | $500 less than apple |
| 21:29.34 | IriX64 | 20? shouldnt that be 21" |
| 21:29.45 | Twingy | 20.1" |
| 21:29.52 | IriX64 | :) |
| 21:30.19 | Twingy | I used to have a pair of 1280x1024 lcd's |
| 21:30.25 | Twingy | but they fizzled out |
| 21:31.11 | Twingy | so I can easily adapt to 1680x1050 |
| 21:33.47 | Twingy | I should work on finishing the paint job in the garage :| |
| 21:33.56 | IriX64 | 1024x768 is my limit, my eyes wont take any finer. |
| 21:34.17 | Twingy | sean and erik like higher the better |
| 21:34.32 | IriX64 | must be young :/ |
| 21:34.45 | ``Erik | and I run dual 1920x1200 at work |
| 21:34.54 | ``Erik | 1600x1200 on my 21" crt at home |
| 21:35.07 | Twingy | I on the other hand am quite content with 1024x768 unless I'm doing development work, then I would like 3 or 4 1024x768 screens |
| 21:35.19 | brlcad | er, i suppose "better than average" is more appropriate than perfect |
| 21:35.34 | IriX64 | must be nice to be in hardware candy shop. |
| 21:35.58 | IriX64 | i type with two figers thats why im slow. |
| 21:36.21 | ``Erik | heh... |
| 21:36.28 | Twingy | at higher resolutions I put too much stress on my eyes unless EVERYTHING is big font |
| 21:36.50 | Twingy | but usually you come across apps that don't cater to high resolutions |
| 21:36.56 | Twingy | and it causes my eyes to wig out |
| 21:37.10 | Twingy | there's always those apps that only have 1 font size |
| 21:37.35 | ``Erik | heh, dont' use 'em? :D nothing I use has that issue... :/ |
| 21:37.44 | ``Erik | afaik... other than games, which switch the resolution anyways |
| 21:40.03 | Twingy | hrm |
| 21:41.22 | Twingy | another 2GB for win2k for CCS compiler |
| 21:43.15 | IriX64 | CCS? |
| 21:43.28 | IriX64 | cross compiling system? |
| 21:44.24 | Twingy | for programming PIC microchips |
| 21:44.37 | Twingy | best compiler for them imho |
| 21:44.44 | Twingy | worth booting into windows for |
| 21:44.49 | IriX64 | ah |
| 21:54.18 | Twingy | install time |
| 22:54.46 | IriX64 | Roland the headless Thompson gunner ... thats music :) |
| 22:59.25 | IriX64 | there we go job done 1280x1024 pixels in operation |
| 22:59.44 | IriX64 | my eyes are *not this good :) |
| 23:00.29 | IriX64 | on the fly programming hehehe. |