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14:51.07brlcadpier: direct rendering shouldn't help or hurt, bugs notwithstanding
14:55.09pier:) thanks
15:03.23brlcadthere's not an expectation that it will be fixed before this weekend
15:03.38digitalfredybrlcad: hello
15:03.45brlcadhola
15:04.32digitalfredybrlcad: need the names of the autor of overview document
15:05.00digitalfredyand needs they affiliations
15:05.25brlcadthat one is more 'open' to debate, it's been rewritten and modified by many
15:05.31brlcadno single author
15:05.57digitalfredyis for put in the docuemt
15:05.58brlcaddigitalfredy: use the same names as volume II for starters
15:06.15digitalfredybrlcad: ok
15:06.19brlcadactually, just put Eric for starters
15:06.31brlcadhe wrote the majority
15:07.29digitalfredylike see the header made at this moment?
15:08.24brlcadhuh?
15:08.53digitalfredyhow can send you a file in irc?
15:09.42brlcadmm, can /ctcp it or ftp it to ftp.brlcad.org/incoming
15:10.37digitalfredy<PROTECTED>
15:11.14digitalfredybrlcad: open a priv
15:12.29digitalfredyi now send files in irc usin the GUI (drag and drop)
15:13.44brlcadopen a priv?  you initiate a send, and I will get a notification and can accept the receive
15:15.48brlcadhttp://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html#DCC
15:16.02brlcad<PROTECTED>
15:16.16brlcader
15:16.19brlcad<PROTECTED>
15:18.15digitalfredybrlcad: say not valid command
15:18.34digitalfredybrlcad: weit
15:19.04brlcadpuedes mandarlo por ftp o mandamelo por e-mail
15:19.58digitalfredybrlcad: sen me /msg any
15:22.23brlcadlo hice
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15:24.39digitalfredybrlcad: no te llego el ofrecimiento del archivo?
15:25.21brlcadnope
15:25.34brlcad"DCC no file offered by digitalfredy"
15:25.42digitalfredybrlcad: usemos ftp
15:26.28brlcadahh.. if you're behind a router, DCC won't work for you
15:26.43brlcadreverse connection has to work on your IP
15:27.03digitalfredynot router
15:27.12digitalfredyi go direct to my ips
15:27.21brlcadyou're on dsl.. there's some router there :)
15:27.25digitalfredyno
15:27.29brlcader, not you..
15:27.38brlcadthat was rogier, just reading the wrong lines :)
15:27.47digitalfredyi have a single 64k rdsi
15:27.47brlcadmaybe a firewall
15:27.59digitalfredyrdsi in englis is ..
15:28.32digitalfredyisdn
15:28.44digitalfredyred digital de servicios integrados
15:28.47brlcad~ping 200.119.94.248
15:28.49ibotpong 200.119.94.248
15:29.00brlcaddunno then.. maybe your irc client
15:30.02digitalfredycan to be a problem in my client (gaim) instaling xchat
15:30.19brlcadjust sent you a request
15:30.37digitalfredyyes
15:31.09brlcadthat worked
15:31.42digitalfredyisntaling xchat 23%
15:31.52brlcadheh
15:33.06digitalfredy75%
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15:38.59digitalfredy_brlcad, you recibe the request?
15:40.21digitalfredy_brlcad, ping
15:43.12``Erikhehe, sean, http://qdb.us/59744 :)
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16:09.11digitalfredy_brlcad, ping
16:26.40brlcadpong
16:26.49brlcaddigitalfredy_: never recibe the request
16:42.34digitalfredy_brlcad, recibe the request
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16:44.34brlcadtodavia, no (adonde?)
16:44.57digitalfredy_brlcad,
16:45.44digitalfredy_brlcad, el xchat dice que está esperando respuesa
16:45.58digitalfredy_digitalfredy_: never recibe the request
16:45.58digitalfredy_--- Ofrece overview.html a brlcad
16:45.58digitalfredy_<digitalfredy_> brlcad, recibe the request
16:45.58digitalfredy_--> pier (n=pier@151.56.213.160) ha entrado en #brlcad
16:45.58digitalfredy_<brlcad> todavia, no (adonde?)
16:45.59digitalfredy_<digitalfredy_> brlcad,
16:46.01digitalfredy_--- Ofrece overview.html a brlcad
16:46.03digitalfredy_--- DCC SEND overview.html para brlcad agotó el tiempo de espera - abortando.
16:46.05digitalfredy_<digitalfredy_> brlcad, el xchat dice que está esperando respuesa
16:47.19brlcadyep, never get the request here, which means it's being filtered somewhere .. it's a known problem for people behind NAT and/or firewalls, not sure what the problem is in this case since you say you're not
16:50.19digitalfredy_brlcad, what is the begin year for the copyrigth in the doc?
16:50.59brlcadyou're creating a substantial derivative work by translating to docbook, so this year
16:51.44brlcadbefore going open source, the documents actually hold no copyright claim
16:54.37digitalfredy_but if the documet is gpl yes have copyright
16:55.17digitalfredy_when are much pepole you see
16:55.32brlcadright
16:55.39digitalfredy_(c) year principal autor and others
16:55.50brlcadthat's what i mean about you creating a derivative work
16:56.02brlcadwe do something similar for the source code
16:56.49brlcadthe entire package presently has implicit copyright assignment to "U.S. Goverment" for direct contributions
16:57.13brlcadyou could use that, or retain copyright of your own (since you're creating the derivative work)
16:57.34brlcadthe 'original' authors cannot claim copyright at this point, they can only claim authorship
16:57.59brlcadas they were all u.s. government funded, public domain work
16:58.08digitalfredy_put (c) U.S. Goverment and others ?
16:58.23digitalfredy_haaa public domain is other history
16:59.14digitalfredy_when y get the doc this is in public domain?
16:59.34digitalfredy_if yes i can put a legal notice
17:01.28brlcadwe can talk more about it in a little bit, I have to run out for a little while
17:01.33brlcadbe back in an hour or so
17:01.57digitalfredy_brlcad, ok
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21:07.08digitalfredybrlcad, ping
21:08.17brlcadpong
21:08.38digitalfredyhello
21:09.29digitalfredyi think to is best speak in spanis about the copyrigt in the documets
21:09.55digitalfredyis for can understand well
21:11.12digitalfredybrlcad, fine?
21:12.31brlcadno estoy seguro que lo puedo escribir tan bueno en espanol, pero lo tratare
21:12.46digitalfredybueno
21:13.26digitalfredyme dices que los documentos tienen doble licencia
21:15.34digitalfredycuales son las dos licencias?
21:16.31digitalfredybrlcad, can understand well?
21:19.38digitalfredybrlcad, ping
21:21.06brlcadGFDL o GPL
21:21.18digitalfredyok
21:21.36brlcady si, los dos necesitan copyright (como se dice copyright?)
21:21.37digitalfredygfdl whitout ivarian sections
21:21.46digitalfredyasi
21:21.51brlcadheh
21:21.52brlcadok
21:22.30digitalfredybefor the doc arent free
21:22.49digitalfredybut in the moment of chache always are questions
21:23.24digitalfredyyo sugiero esto
21:23.47digitalfredyen cada documeto colocamos el copyright asi:
21:25.08digitalfredy(c) year_of_firt_publication - year_of_change_to_opensource Army Research Laboratory
21:26.20brlcaddepende en el documento
21:26.37digitalfredyexplicame
21:27.15brlcadpodemos hacerlo asi con el source code
21:27.39brlcadcopyright was obtained on the entire body, and assigned to the government
21:28.01brlcadpero con los documentos, es un poco m?s complicado
21:30.22digitalfredyque lo hace más complicado, politicas del govierno
21:30.27digitalfredy?
21:30.28brlcadcon los documentos, solo puedes obtener el copyright si hagas una modificaccion significante
21:31.05brlcadyo pienso que una conversion a docbook cualifica
21:31.20brlcadheh, damn italian slipping in
21:31.44digitalfredywhat?
21:33.29brlcadlos volumes I II III IV, etc como estan publicados son public domain (no tienen copyright)
21:34.01brlcadtu puedes venderlos asi mismo si quierias, o cambiarlos como te da la gana
21:34.33brlcadsi hagas una modificaccion grande, tu puedes obtener un copyright a tu version
21:35.03brlcadcon ese copyright, lo puedes hacer un "copyright assignment" a quien quieres
21:35.17brlcadpor ejemplo, al U.S. Government
21:36.02brlcadel COPYING archivo en BRL-CAD manda que si lo vas a dar un cambio al proyecto que hagas el copyright assignment
21:36.48brlcadcon el copyright, se puede usar el GPL/GFDL/Creative Commons, etc
21:38.03digitalfredybueno ya tengo claro lo del copyright
21:38.55digitalfredyyo respeto mucho las obras de los otros
21:39.02brlcadtambien podemos mantener los documentos en el public domain
21:39.28digitalfredybrlcad, si ya tengo eso claro como el agua
21:39.31brlcadpara mi, lo importante es que tenemos una version en docbook :)
21:40.02digitalfredyy deseo que en mi versión en docbook citar los autores
21:40.23brlcadsi, por supuesto
21:40.30digitalfredyen los vol III y IV estan escritos
21:40.36brlcadtambien tu contribuccion a convertirlo a docbook
21:40.41digitalfredyok
21:40.57digitalfredyy dice las empresas y cargos
21:41.29brlcadlos autores no cambian.. ser autor o no no significa copyright (porque empezo sin copyright)
21:41.40digitalfredysi
21:42.52digitalfredytienes el .doc del overview con los nombres de los autores?
21:42.57brlcadi like to give credit to any contribution whenever possible for the work that is provided, and preserve that contribution
21:43.10brlcadquiza..
21:43.13brlcadi'll look
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