| 00:08.06 | whitehawk | brlcad finite element analysis |
| 00:08.14 | whitehawk | there's a prog for it |
| 00:08.18 | whitehawk | called solome |
| 00:08.22 | whitehawk | or what |
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| 00:16.08 | brlcad | salome, from the open cascade folks |
| 00:17.00 | brlcad | from what I understand, they don't actually do the FEA |
| 00:17.24 | brlcad | they do the conversion from cad formats to various FEM |
| 00:17.54 | brlcad | for this, we're working with Cubit from Sandia |
| 00:17.56 | brlcad | http://cubit.sandia.gov/ |
| 00:18.00 | brlcad | much better package |
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| 00:21.03 | brlcad | howdy |
| 00:21.34 | brlcad | whitehawk: in particular, we're hooking into cgm, testing out the connectivity and representations |
| 00:21.37 | brlcad | looking pretty seamless |
| 00:22.28 | whitehawk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:24.08 | brlcad | yep |
| 00:24.13 | brlcad | external solvers being the key |
| 00:24.16 | whitehawk | cubit is not free |
| 00:25.33 | brlcad | for most everyone we've dealt with that need to do an FEA, cost is rarely the problem -- but that is a concern |
| 00:25.51 | brlcad | open cascade doesn't help us a whole lot in that regard, they are free as in beer but not speech |
| 00:27.02 | brlcad | from the few that have played with it, also, none have liked much about open cascade -- it's complex and poorly structured in places |
| 00:27.14 | brlcad | this part might be better, of coruse |
| 00:27.35 | brlcad | let's just say, patches to cinteract with them would be well received |
| 00:27.42 | brlcad | we can already export iges for them |
| 00:35.24 | whitehawk | i got errors from librt or tr... |
| 00:35.37 | whitehawk | i might be missing something for compilation |
| 00:35.51 | brlcad | tr? |
| 00:36.03 | brlcad | ah, librt. |
| 00:36.07 | brlcad | raytrace library |
| 00:36.19 | brlcad | what error? |
| 00:37.12 | whitehawk | something about tcltk |
| 00:37.20 | whitehawk | undefined bla bla.. |
| 00:39.03 | whitehawk | ./.libs/librt.so: undefined reference to `Tcl_FirstHashEntry' |
| 00:39.06 | whitehawk | like this |
| 00:40.20 | brlcad | hmmm.. sounds like an ebuildism for finding/building Tcl |
| 00:40.34 | brlcad | did you noticed whether Tcl was configured on or off? |
| 00:40.46 | whitehawk | off |
| 00:41.11 | brlcad | ah, that's likely why |
| 00:41.32 | whitehawk | you mean --enable-tcl-build? |
| 00:41.33 | brlcad | different versions of Tcl getting linked, missing a symbol |
| 00:42.01 | brlcad | you should probably --enable-everything --disable-jove |
| 00:42.08 | brlcad | yeah, that should be on |
| 00:42.11 | brlcad | not off |
| 00:49.09 | whitehawk | well |
| 00:49.40 | whitehawk | it would be better to use stuff from the repo than the bundled with brlcad |
| 00:49.44 | whitehawk | but nevermind |
| 00:49.53 | whitehawk | night |
| 00:53.17 | brlcad | i agree, that's where more work needs to go into the ebuild |
| 00:53.33 | brlcad | so that it specifies the external deps better |
| 00:53.46 | brlcad | right versions, adds the right build options, etc |
| 01:01.20 | learner | is it all squished? |
| 01:01.29 | learner | ~ww |
| 01:01.30 | ibot | Wrong window pansie |
| 01:47.39 | Twingy | cnc machine works great, I need to pick up some more collets and end mills though |
| 01:47.57 | Twingy | and get crackin' on my cnc software |
| 01:47.58 | birdmun | lol ... so it is a more manufactured machine? |
| 01:48.05 | Twingy | hrm? |
| 01:48.13 | birdmun | collets |
| 01:48.38 | birdmun | i was just wondering what machine you were using ... homebuilt or purchased |
| 01:48.58 | Twingy | taig 20ER-CR |
| 01:49.43 | Twingy | after the rotary table it'll ring at about $2100 |
| 01:50.15 | Twingy | which is ridiculously cheap for a cnc machine |
| 01:50.34 | birdmun | I have parts sitting right next to me to build a homebuilt machine minus the stepper controller |
| 01:51.08 | Twingy | in the future if I require a larger cnc machine I will probably build my own |
| 01:51.31 | Twingy | for now I just don't have the time to build one, I'm getting too far behind on my rocketry progress |
| 01:51.59 | birdmun | lol |
| 01:52.06 | Twingy | I will be dissapointed if I don't have my next rocet motor working by the end of the year |
| 01:52.20 | Twingy | *rocket |
| 01:52.27 | birdmun | amateur rocketry then? |
| 01:52.31 | Twingy | of course |
| 01:52.37 | learner | i will be disappointed if you don't win the ansari launch :) |
| 01:52.39 | Twingy | if work were funding this I'd have much better tools |
| 01:52.59 | Twingy | no way I can win that, don't have the budget or time alotment |
| 01:53.23 | birdmun | pop sci or pop mech did a story on a competition in NM or somewhere similar |
| 01:54.49 | birdmun | at least you work somewhere that is relevant to your hobbies |
| 01:55.02 | Twingy | yes |
| 01:55.57 | birdmun | i help manufacture dog biscuits |
| 01:56.10 | birdmun | not a whole lotta call for cnc work there :) |
| 01:56.26 | Twingy | heh |
| 01:56.47 | birdmun | did you ever consider EMC to run your mill? |
| 01:56.48 | Twingy | I need to get my salary up higher so I can tool up better |
| 01:57.26 | Twingy | that'd require running linux |
| 01:57.38 | Twingy | I'd rather just stick to a proven app like turbocnc in dos |
| 01:57.52 | Twingy | linux without a heavy set of mods is a far cry from realtime |
| 01:58.03 | Twingy | is just wasn't architectured with real-time in mind |
| 01:58.47 | birdmun | i know little about both and as i have as yet to get a machine to work with i will know little about either |
| 01:59.09 | Twingy | I will probably order my mig welder next |
| 01:59.21 | Twingy | presumably sometime next month |
| 02:00.40 | Twingy | I've actually been thinking more and more about aluminum rocket nozzles for this next motor, previously I completely ruled them out, but if designed correctly I think they run with a near room-temperature internal temp |
| 02:00.52 | birdmun | what do you use for fuel in your rocket engines? |
| 02:01.17 | Twingy | the last series were based on richard nakka's potassium nitrate dextrose solid motor design |
| 02:01.41 | Twingy | this series is alot more experimental due to the lack of data in the amateur realm... propane and nitrous |
| 02:03.22 | Twingy | it's got potential to become a really popular type due to just about every aspect of the motor and propellant being simple and cost effective |
| 02:03.33 | birdmun | crazy to think people can buy this stuff off the shelf |
| 02:03.44 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:03.52 | ``Erik | don't tell the gubmint |
| 02:03.58 | birdmun | dont worry |
| 02:04.13 | birdmun | as you saw earlier im no more fond of it than you are |
| 02:04.26 | birdmun | at least the current leader |
| 02:05.00 | Twingy | I probably won't have to interface with any sort of government regs for atleast 18 - 24 months due to the time frame I'm working on and the scale of the motor |
| 02:05.14 | birdmun | kewl |
| 02:05.55 | birdmun | so it just boils down to a power to weight ratio then |
| 02:05.58 | ``Erik | it'd be interesting to use gasoline and something like a kitchen or bathroom cleaning agent to build a high output rocket engine |
| 02:06.16 | ``Erik | lets see them outlaw gas and 'scrubbing bubbles' o.O |
| 02:06.23 | birdmun | lol |
| 02:06.27 | Twingy | I'm going to build a small 40-50lb thrust motor for my initial design, after that I will scale it up to 150-200lb or thereabouts |
| 02:06.35 | birdmun | wow |
| 02:07.07 | ``Erik | a longer burn time than the ~10s your current generation motors output? |
| 02:07.13 | Twingy | I want appropximately 10:1 weight to thrust ratio |
| 02:07.22 | Twingy | thrust to weight even |
| 02:07.38 | Twingy | 10s? where where you the day of testing? |
| 02:07.43 | ``Erik | 10g acceleration? |
| 02:07.46 | ``Erik | which day of testing? |
| 02:07.51 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:07.52 | Twingy | you said 10s |
| 02:08.02 | ``Erik | I was there for a few... |
| 02:08.03 | ``Erik | mebbe 2s |
| 02:08.10 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:08.25 | Twingy | all the burns were well under 2s |
| 02:08.33 | ``Erik | I remember explosions and pieces of the steel motor body detaching |
| 02:08.44 | ``Erik | yeah, that's right... |
| 02:08.55 | ``Erik | under 2s? I though tthe 'full burn' was pretty close to 2s |
| 02:09.17 | Twingy | depends on the configuration |
| 02:09.18 | ``Erik | you did some thrust graphs, right? |
| 02:09.28 | Twingy | the 300lb thrust test was 0.9 seconds |
| 02:09.30 | ``Erik | "bottom up" |
| 02:09.34 | birdmun | http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/xjet.shtml ever see this |
| 02:10.02 | ``Erik | the 300lb was 'top down'? blowing combusted gas over the fuel core? |
| 02:11.43 | Twingy | yep |
| 02:12.11 | ``Erik | think if we told mt that we didn't think a decently performing fem program could do nozzle analysis, he'd whip one up for us? :D *duck* |
| 02:12.24 | ``Erik | erm, rather, that such a program could be done in c++ |
| 02:12.25 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:12.58 | Twingy | alright, time for me to get organized here, back in a couple hours |
| 02:13.06 | birdmun | hasta |
| 02:13.07 | ``Erik | when you're done, clean my den. |
| 02:13.07 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:17.59 | ``Erik | have you seen the pulse jet powered go-kart out of nz? |
| 02:18.09 | birdmun | thats where that vid came from |
| 02:18.13 | birdmun | prolly same guy |
| 02:18.40 | ``Erik | ah, I was reading about pulse jets a few years ago, dude in nz did a gokart, a beer cooler, etc |
| 02:18.49 | birdmun | he was working on an cheap knock off of a cruise missle |
| 02:19.01 | birdmun | it has since strangely gone missing from his site |
| 02:20.03 | ``Erik | huh, I think that is the same dude |
| 02:20.10 | ``Erik | but when I looked, the jet was mounted low on the body |
| 02:20.43 | ``Erik | http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/images/jk11.jpg there it is, heh |
| 02:20.49 | birdmun | http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/gokart.htm |
| 02:21.42 | ``Erik | chup |
| 02:22.10 | ``Erik | hah, you're the dude from joplin? |
| 02:22.47 | birdmun | aye |
| 02:23.33 | ``Erik | man, why didn't I find anyone really interested in shit lik ethat when I was out there? :D |
| 02:24.16 | ``Erik | http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/pjafterburner.shtml |
| 02:24.17 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 02:25.43 | birdmun | you were here 10 yrs ago? |
| 02:25.54 | ``Erik | '96-'03 |
| 02:25.57 | ``Erik | erm |
| 02:26.02 | ``Erik | yeah, heh |
| 02:26.07 | birdmun | http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/ |
| 02:26.21 | birdmun | because in that time frame i was still in indiana |
| 02:26.23 | ``Erik | <-- did smsu '97-01 |
| 02:26.58 | birdmun | born and raised in indiana |
| 02:27.01 | ``Erik | that made like /. or something when the supposed 'leaning' was taking place |
| 02:27.14 | birdmun | moved here in 03 |
| 02:27.21 | birdmun | i wouldnt be surprised |
| 02:28.07 | birdmun | well im up to lesson 4 in Vol II Intro to mged |
| 02:28.16 | learner | heh |
| 02:28.33 | learner | fun fun |
| 02:28.37 | birdmun | printed the whole thing out took a bit ... 2 pages per page tho ... had a couple jams too |
| 02:29.24 | ``Erik | sean, I want to learn how to make models in brlcad, come show me by modelling my house :D |
| 02:29.26 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 02:29.35 | birdmun | lol |
| 02:29.55 | learner | easy, "make box arb8" |
| 02:29.57 | ``Erik | don't make me outpress you o.O |
| 02:30.05 | learner | all done |
| 02:30.29 | ``Erik | does that do the moulding on the window sills and door jams, too? |
| 02:30.30 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:30.39 | birdmun | pick pick pick |
| 02:31.07 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:32.21 | ``Erik | ('sok, my competition lift is the 12oz curl) |
| 02:32.23 | learner | hehe |
| 02:32.31 | learner | mm.. speaking of such |
| 02:33.30 | birdmun | wow ... i have a green rounded off nub in my graphical window |
| 02:33.39 | ``Erik | I hit the local shop last night, the bottom shelf of my fridge is completely full of microbrew bottles |
| 02:33.39 | birdmun | sarcasm :P |
| 02:33.59 | birdmun | local shops are good |
| 02:34.08 | birdmun | esp when they know you |
| 02:34.12 | ``Erik | indeed |
| 02:34.25 | ``Erik | I've talked shop with one of the brewers at springfield brewery |
| 02:34.34 | birdmun | back home there was a store i could occassionally get discounts |
| 02:34.55 | ``Erik | heh, I've also talked shop with the brewer at a local one, 'duclaws' (a bit big to bea micro anymore, guess they're a regional?) |
| 02:35.12 | birdmun | he |
| 02:35.14 | birdmun | h |
| 02:35.26 | ``Erik | the dude here, he's not the brewmaster, but he does most of the work... he quit his job as a lawyer to brew, really cool guy |
| 02:35.58 | ``Erik | man, open tab of a beer they call "venom"... I so should NOT have drove home that night, hehehe |
| 02:36.13 | ``Erik | tap |
| 02:37.04 | birdmun | stout |
| 02:37.09 | ``Erik | ? |
| 02:37.13 | birdmun | beer |
| 02:37.18 | birdmun | stout/strong |
| 02:37.19 | ``Erik | ja? |
| 02:38.01 | ``Erik | what was the coffee&chocolate stout meuller had, um, 'mudhouse stout'? |
| 02:38.18 | birdmun | no idea |
| 02:38.24 | birdmun | not a beer drinker |
| 02:38.55 | birdmun | southern comfort and mt dew |
| 02:39.27 | birdmun | maybe i should say ... my stomach doesnt tend to like beer |
| 02:39.39 | ``Erik | yet it can take diluded whiskey |
| 02:40.36 | birdmun | who am i to complain :) |
| 02:46.58 | Twingy | ug, so much work left |
| 02:47.42 | birdmun | I have a fair amount to do myself but I cant complain ... all fairly easy stuff |
| 02:48.17 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:48.20 | Twingy | I think I'm going to do a little more work on my cnc software tonight |
| 02:49.11 | ``Erik | just the cut csg type thing, not, say, a driver? |
| 02:49.12 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:49.21 | ``Erik | <-- thinks a fbsd driver for that thingy would be gnarly |
| 02:49.45 | birdmun | debian is unacceptable? |
| 02:50.07 | Twingy | turbocnc works just fine |
| 02:50.16 | ``Erik | meh, when I have to use linux and I get the choice of which, I tend to go with debian 'testing' |
| 02:50.44 | birdmun | i dont know enough to even get myself in trouble |
| 02:50.52 | birdmun | well maybe |
| 02:51.04 | ``Erik | yeah, but you have to boot dos to use it, twingy... unless you can get it chugging under dosemu without any hiccups |
| 02:51.04 | birdmun | my current linux partition is unaccessable |
| 02:51.45 | birdmun | unaccessible(?) |
| 02:51.51 | ``Erik | funny, I have a machine with a dual boot config, fbsd and w2k... windows won't boot, the windows cd says the fs is damaged beyond usability, yet fbsd mounts and uses it just fine o.O |
| 02:52.03 | birdmun | lol |
| 02:52.25 | birdmun | been so long since i crashed it i dont recall what i killed |
| 02:52.47 | ``Erik | I think I did in my windows in october or november |
| 02:52.55 | ``Erik | :) |
| 02:53.13 | birdmun | lol |
| 02:53.30 | birdmun | i have a 100g drive w/ 60 partitioned for linux |
| 02:53.48 | birdmun | i keep having to delete and save in my 40g windows partition |
| 02:54.11 | ``Erik | <-- bought into the fileserver mentality many yrs ago... most boxes have just 'nuff hdd to hold the OS |
| 02:54.50 | Twingy | 2 logitech mice and a 256MB stick for good measure |
| 02:54.57 | birdmun | lol |
| 02:55.03 | birdmun | only 256? |
| 02:55.08 | ``Erik | http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/reminesmeto/George_W__Bush_gj_r_177820a.jpg :o |
| 02:55.25 | Twingy | all the stuff I do at home only requires ~256 |
| 02:55.27 | ``Erik | heh, and the machine will recognize 64m of it? :D |
| 02:55.38 | Twingy | it's my little 3ghz p4 shoebox |
| 02:55.50 | birdmun | ic |
| 02:55.57 | Twingy | that's collecting dust for the last 5 months |
| 02:56.07 | birdmun | i have a system like that |
| 02:56.16 | ``Erik | 3ghz? damn, heh |
| 02:56.25 | birdmun | via 1gig w/ 512mb and a 300g hdd |
| 02:56.32 | Twingy | I've got a 1.3ghz celeron in the garage for the cnc machine, 4GB win98, 16GB fbsd6 |
| 02:56.43 | Twingy | with a 15" lcd |
| 02:56.47 | birdmun | kewl |
| 02:56.56 | Twingy | the other 15" lcd is upstairs at top of stairs |
| 02:57.05 | Twingy | that's where the 3ghz box will go |
| 02:57.13 | Twingy | 384MB for web/email |
| 02:57.26 | birdmun | im considering a lcd for the via system |
| 02:57.39 | Twingy | I absolutely love the 15" lcd's they are so practical |
| 02:58.02 | birdmun | system will be used by gf's daughter |
| 02:58.08 | Twingy | they're light, cheap, and can play HD video |
| 02:58.23 | birdmun | dont know if 15 will really compare .. gf has 17crt and i have 19 |
| 02:58.25 | Twingy | my bran new 15" dell lcd was $100 |
| 02:58.32 | birdmun | nice |
| 02:58.57 | Twingy | you just can't beat that |
| 02:59.18 | Twingy | the workstation I'm on now is a pair of 19" lcd's |
| 02:59.23 | Twingy | I've had this setup for 2 years |
| 03:00.03 | Twingy | when I upgrade next year I will probably consolidate to one LCD since they are going way down in price |
| 03:00.15 | birdmun | nice |
| 03:00.29 | Twingy | the 24" ones |
| 03:00.35 | birdmun | dell 20" for 459 |
| 03:00.46 | Twingy | these were $485 a piece in '04 |
| 03:01.51 | birdmun | im sure |
| 03:02.25 | Twingy | once I get the 4x8 trailer together I should be ready to pick up the grizzly lathe |
| 03:02.26 | birdmun | viewsonic 19" 4ms 344 |
| 03:02.35 | birdmun | kewl |
| 03:02.53 | Twingy | they've got a cheap $2300 belt lathe I got my eye on |
| 03:03.04 | birdmun | 800 dell 24 lcd |
| 03:03.09 | birdmun | cheap? |
| 03:03.16 | Twingy | relatively speaking |
| 03:03.24 | Twingy | for a lathe that's cheap |
| 03:03.39 | birdmun | i guess 2300 and cheap rarely coincided for me |
| 03:03.39 | Twingy | amusing thing is it will be as much as my cnc mill |
| 03:03.47 | Twingy | except lathe is 1200lbs and mill is ~100lbs |
| 03:04.53 | birdmun | lathe could prolly eat the mill for breakfast |
| 03:05.07 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:06.39 | Twingy | more than likely I will put down hardwood in the living room before purchasing the lathe |
| 03:06.54 | Twingy | that is something I'm itching to get done |
| 03:07.03 | birdmun | understandable |
| 03:07.36 | Twingy | I'm thinking about picking it up sometime this month |
| 03:08.02 | Twingy | the weather is a little more forgiving now that spring is near |
| 03:08.27 | Twingy | no scheme, just be smart and motivated |
| 03:08.38 | birdmun | i dont doubt that |
| 03:08.55 | birdmun | and a much better paying job than i have |
| 03:09.08 | birdmun | more motivation than anything tho |
| 03:09.44 | Twingy | obviously you're content with it "enough" otherwise you would have found something else |
| 03:10.31 | birdmun | actually still going to school |
| 03:10.37 | birdmun | dont need to shake things up |
| 03:11.11 | birdmun | and my pay is decent compared to most jobs i have had down here |
| 03:11.20 | birdmun | actually all other jobs i have had down here |
| 03:11.35 | birdmun | just bought a house |
| 03:12.11 | Twingy | good investment |
| 03:12.13 | birdmun | if i seem to be knocking you and your motivation i am sorry |
| 03:12.25 | birdmun | i know im a sloth |
| 03:12.29 | Twingy | heh |
| 03:12.55 | Twingy | you'd be surprised how motivated and productive you can become without a girl friend :) |
| 03:13.21 | Twingy | I'm just taking advantage of the situation while I've not attached |
| 03:13.33 | Twingy | s/I've/I'm |
| 03:14.36 | birdmun | mine is sleeping on the futon currently |
| 03:14.55 | birdmun | and i am amazingly undermotivated often |
| 03:15.09 | birdmun | i work hard to do what i want and then lounge |
| 03:16.22 | birdmun | i have known ppl that say they cant be out of work for long ... me .. i could find many things to occupy(?) my time if i werent working |
| 04:11.27 | Twingy | nothing says fun like a diamond monkey: http://www.js.cx/~justin/cornelius_diamond.png |
| 04:11.46 | Twingy | http://www.js.cx/~justin/images/cornelius_diamond.png |
| 04:13.49 | learner | :) |
| 04:15.20 | learner | my what a mighty bulge he's got going there |
| 04:17.00 | Twingy | hahaha |
| 04:17.10 | Twingy | I just found a video of my room-mate firing up the old sun 3/60 we found |
| 04:17.18 | Twingy | and it checking all 8MB of ram |
| 04:18.09 | Twingy | excuse me a sun 3/200 |
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| 12:43.01 | whitehawk | falcone@nido ~/brlcad-7.6.6 $ mged |
| 12:43.02 | whitehawk | Initializing and backgrounding, please wait...Done |
| 12:43.02 | whitehawk | falcone@nido ~/brlcad-7.6.6 $ this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black" |
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