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| 01:03.54 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Aggressive prep is about 3.3x faster now. Fixed a few Makefile.am's. |
| 01:52.30 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/doc/binary_spec.txt: updated binary spec. |
| 02:14.39 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/conv/ (Makefile.am g-adrt.c): total tri num at byte position 4. |
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| 03:00.23 | brlcad | howdy K`zan |
| 03:03.33 | Twingy | dirka dirka dirka stan |
| 03:05.08 | K`zan | Hello brlcad |
| 03:05.34 | K`zan | Need a cad package for linux and looking at the options :-). |
| 03:08.22 | K`zan | Uh, is this a cad package in the conventional sense or a cad programming language ? |
| 03:08.30 | brlcad | lesse, as open-source there's pythoncad, qcad, and of course now brl-cad |
| 03:08.38 | brlcad | it is a full-fledged cad package |
| 03:10.03 | brlcad | brl-cad's been developed over the past 20 years, with emphasis on solid modeling of military vehicles (e.g. tanks, helicopters, etc) |
| 03:10.11 | K`zan | Thanks, docs are a bit confusing so far. Assuming I knew something about autosketch, would it be in any way familiar to that in terms of use. So far I have been using xfig but am too rapidly outgrowing it and on a miller lite budget :-(. |
| 03:10.51 | brlcad | when you say cad do you mean design/modeling or drafting (cadd)? |
| 03:11.04 | K`zan | My needs are considerably simpler, some equipment / furniture drawing and just a general "draw-er-up" mostly in 2D most of the time anyway. |
| 03:11.33 | K`zan | drafting is more what I need. Anything else is gravy that wouldn't be used often at all. |
| 03:11.37 | brlcad | brl-cad's much (MUCH) more focused on 3D geometry and modeling techniques for various reasons |
| 03:11.48 | brlcad | though there is a 2D sketch primitive |
| 03:12.05 | brlcad | and a sketcher interface for modeling them in 2d |
| 03:12.28 | K`zan | What lead me to this was I am currently designing a rather simple workstation but 3D in this case would be really handy :-). |
| 03:12.31 | brlcad | it's not at all up to par with other drafting tools, though, which might be more in line with what you're more familiar with |
| 03:13.12 | brlcad | something like qcad for example |
| 03:13.20 | K`zan | :-) as noted, miller lite budget on a good day here. Plus I'm doing this mostly for myself in whatever projects I just happen to get inspired to do... |
| 03:13.28 | brlcad | but if you want to jump to 3d, brl-cad is pretty much the only solid modeler open source |
| 03:13.41 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/conv/g-adrt.c: more total tri_num stuff |
| 03:13.44 | K`zan | So I noticed :-). |
| 03:14.12 | brlcad | if you're a dev, 2d improvements wouldn't be rejected ;) |
| 03:14.25 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/libcommon/ (pack.c unpack.c): total tri num stuff. |
| 03:14.26 | K`zan | Well, I just grabbed the source, so I can at least compile it and see how I fit into it. |
| 03:14.26 | brlcad | have you read some of the documentation |
| 03:14.48 | K`zan | DOwnloaded what looks to be docs, I am *assuming* that will be in the source package. |
| 03:14.52 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/libcommon/pack.c: removed prints |
| 03:15.06 | brlcad | reading the mged tutorials will probably give you a good/better ideo of the modeling techniques |
| 03:15.18 | brlcad | the docs are on the website, http://brlcad.org |
| 03:15.31 | brlcad | the docs in the source are okay, but somewhat older |
| 03:16.06 | K`zan | THis might be very handy, but any cad package is a fill in thing and not a full time job, more support for whatever I am doing. Would rather not have to spend 2 years learning to use it :-) |
| 03:16.44 | brlcad | it should pretty much only take a couple days to get through all the tutorials |
| 03:16.57 | brlcad | we've had summer students make it through them in less than a day |
| 03:17.27 | K`zan | Ok, sounds like a plan, after all to do some of the stuff I saw there, you got to build the parts and that is mostly CAD, I would think. |
| 03:17.32 | brlcad | that will give you the foundation for modeling almost anything |
| 03:17.38 | K`zan | I'll go ahead and build it and see how it works out. |
| 03:17.49 | brlcad | sounds good |
| 03:18.03 | brlcad | if you run into any trouble, feel free to hop in here and ask or post it up |
| 03:18.05 | K`zan | Played with some of the modeling stuff for flight sim related stuff and just drowned :-/. |
| 03:18.31 | K`zan | THey say GMAX is supposed to be easy, but I have a fundamental problem with m$ stuff :). |
| 03:18.42 | brlcad | mged's interface is rather expert-driven (unfortunately) meaning that you have to learn a handful of commands before you can run with it |
| 03:19.03 | brlcad | there's little interface discovery possible, you really have to go through the tutorials |
| 03:19.17 | K`zan | That shouldn't bve a big problem after autocad/sketch and xfig :-). |
| 03:19.39 | brlcad | there are new modelers under development that fix this problem, but they won't be in beta for a long time |
| 03:19.41 | K`zan | Good, I like to read, will capture it to the Zire and take it with me. |
| 03:19.52 | brlcad | you found the pdf? |
| 03:20.03 | K`zan | Got a couple so far. |
| 03:20.28 | brlcad | the first three are the most important |
| 03:20.53 | K`zan | These: |
| 03:20.56 | K`zan | # Overview of BRL-CAD |
| 03:20.59 | K`zan | # Introduction to MGED |
| 03:21.01 | K`zan | # Principles of Effective Modeling |
| 03:21.02 | brlcad | another thing to keep in mind is that mged, while the core modeler, is only 1 of over 400 tools in brl-cad |
| 03:21.06 | brlcad | yes |
| 03:21.23 | K`zan | Sounds like enough to keep a learning junkie busy for a while :-). |
| 03:21.37 | brlcad | yep :) |
| 03:22.02 | K`zan | Okdokee, will build it up and go through the tutorials and see what happens. Very much appreciate your help and guidance here! |
| 03:22.11 | K`zan | l |
| 03:22.15 | brlcad | you can do most of the modeling from inside mged until you get to more advanced techniques |
| 03:22.23 | brlcad | no problem |
| 03:22.26 | brlcad | have fun |
| 03:22.54 | K`zan | tar -xjvf ~/zdl/ |
| 03:22.59 | K`zan | oops |
| 03:23.00 | brlcad | hehe |
| 03:23.14 | K`zan | I'll probably be back to amaze y'all with my density :-). |
| 03:23.17 | K`zan | THanks again! |
| 03:24.00 | K`zan | Hunm, seems to expect it's own user... |
| 03:24.05 | K`zan | l |
| 03:25.46 | K`zan | I think I got binary rather than source, checking.... |
| 03:26.09 | brlcad | default configure will prepare to install into /usr/brlcad |
| 03:26.24 | brlcad | if you unpack and only find a usr dir, you've got a binary |
| 03:26.40 | brlcad | you could copy usr/brlcad to /usr/brlcad and you'd be good to go |
| 03:26.53 | brlcad | have to add /usr/brlcad/bin to your path |
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| 03:42.13 | K`zan | brlcad: Thanks, did that, LOTS of stuff in the bin directory (/me is a bit intimidated, but onward :-). |
| 03:42.29 | K`zan | Off to read! |
| 03:44.28 | brlcad | welcome! |
| 03:45.44 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/libtie/ (struct.h tie.c tie.h): support for unknown triangle number at tie_init() |
| 03:45.58 | PKMOBILE | wassap! |
| 03:46.09 | Twingy | EY DER |
| 03:47.34 | brlcad | Twingy: your intention to get those changes in in time for 7.6 or just commiting? |
| 03:48.22 | Twingy | just commiting |
| 03:48.57 | Twingy | until I get a user community I won't be concerned whether changes make a specific release or not |
| 03:49.04 | brlcad | k |
| 03:49.15 | Twingy | so probly next couple releases will be same deal |
| 03:49.33 | PKMOBILE | he wants some fans! |
| 03:49.45 | brlcad | if you can capture a screenshot or two of isst, I'll put it in the release notes |
| 03:49.50 | Twingy | I prefer air conditioning |
| 03:50.10 | PKMOBILE | so do i unfortunately we've been "saving electricity" |
| 03:50.11 | Twingy | I dunno if I'm ready for sceenies of it yet |
| 03:50.38 | brlcad | well, this will be the release that announces it since it's the first to include it |
| 03:51.18 | Twingy | yea, but, I suspect nobody will care... |
| 03:51.54 | brlcad | people like pics |
| 03:52.06 | brlcad | and the notes are read, I get feedback on most releases |
| 03:52.07 | Twingy | but if you show them pics, they'll want to use it |
| 03:52.10 | Twingy | and it's not mature software |
| 03:52.14 | Twingy | it's expert friendly |
| 03:52.24 | brlcad | people know that or they're told |
| 03:52.46 | Twingy | a video would be more telling... |
| 03:52.52 | brlcad | it's a point 0 release anyways, goes with the nature of monthly releases |
| 03:52.55 | Twingy | we could post an mpeg or something |
| 03:53.10 | brlcad | a video would be, though you'd have to remake one |
| 03:53.15 | Twingy | already made |
| 03:53.40 | brlcad | i doubt it's releasable without form 1'ing |
| 03:53.45 | Twingy | cept lee wants to make his own version from my footage *shrug* |
| 03:53.54 | Twingy | so I'd poke him |
| 03:54.10 | brlcad | which vehicle was that? |
| 03:54.16 | Twingy | stryker |
| 03:54.21 | brlcad | heh, yeah |
| 03:54.41 | Twingy | I could model a box |
| 03:54.45 | Twingy | and fly around it :) |
| 03:54.56 | Twingy | it'd compliment blender |
| 03:54.58 | brlcad | or your boat thing :) |
| 03:55.02 | brlcad | or the truck |
| 03:55.05 | Twingy | hrm, that reminds me |
| 03:55.11 | Twingy | I need to test the boat again.. |
| 03:55.32 | brlcad | i need to press the air force again on their models |
| 03:55.40 | brlcad | some of those are silly to not release |
| 06:12.10 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/isst/master/isst_python.c: dump is now save. added a load command. both have verbose output. |
| 06:29.15 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/ (isst/master/master.c libtie/tie.c): investigating tie->free() |
| 06:51.55 | K`zan | Nigth all |
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| 07:46.56 | PKMOBILE | time to do domain registrations again |
| 07:47.12 | PKMOBILE | dont want any darn squatters taking the osgaming one |
| 07:48.15 | PKMOBILE | guess ill do that tomorrow |
| 07:48.19 | PKMOBILE | gnight world! |
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| 16:00.03 | docelic | good day |
| 16:12.23 | brlcad | day good |
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| 18:45.52 | lih82 | hello everyone |
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| 18:49.57 | prasad_ | sean |
| 18:50.21 | lih82 | whois prasad_ |
| 18:50.24 | lih82 | oops |
| 18:51.05 | lih82 | sorry, I was looking for help in compiling brlcad to mac os x 64-bit |
| 18:53.56 | prasad_ | np |
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| 20:34.55 | brlcad | lih: hello |
| 20:35.55 | brlcad | sorry, I was away .. probably writing an e-mail to you if you're who I think you are |
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| 21:00.41 | lih | hi Sean |
| 21:00.49 | lih | I just got your e-mail |
| 21:00.55 | lih | I am reading it right now |
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| 21:16.07 | brlcad | hello docelic, how goes it |
| 21:16.34 | docelic | howdy' |
| 21:16.45 | docelic | quite fine, reading up some bits for tomorrow |
| 21:17.01 | docelic | how about you? |
| 21:17.16 | brlcad | pretty good |
| 21:17.23 | brlcad | taking the day off is always nice ;) |
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| 23:01.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/sh/header.sh: |
| 23:01.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: add support for manual pages. brl-cad's gfdl documentation is actually |
| 23:01.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: dual-licensed so customize the comment block to include that detail. less and |
| 23:01.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: other pagers that recognize and auto-format manpages don't work if comment is |
| 23:01.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: first, so make the comment block come after the .TH |
| 23:07.25 | Twingy | prasad, lisa was asking where you were today |
| 23:09.28 | docelic | who's prasad ?:) |
| 23:09.45 | Twingy | a co-worker |
| 23:10.47 | docelic | lol a funny name.. in Croatian, word "prasad" is a singular for a group of pigs... |
| 23:11.01 | docelic | (no offense anyone, of course ;) |
| 23:17.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:17.31 | brlcad | i'm sure he'll be glad to know that tid bit of information |
| 23:17.51 | docelic | ;-) |