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| 02:46.10 | brlcad | archivist: it looks like a bug in SDL's sdl-config command which is used to specify what libraries SDL requires -- it ends up adding libaa.a, which is apparently dependant upon libgpm |
| 02:47.11 | brlcad | archivist: another user reported that their libgpm libraries had invalid symbolic links after a similar fresh/clean debian install -- did you check the links? |
| 03:58.56 | Twingy | brlcad, you see my msg earlier? |
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| 04:02.47 | Twingy | hi |
| 04:17.14 | jrobey | hello |
| 04:29.26 | brlcad | jrobey: howdy.. just figured out what happened |
| 04:29.48 | brlcad | Twingy: yes, it was a change from a day or two ago -- i'll fix it tomorrow |
| 04:30.16 | brlcad | you can work around it by setting the brlcad root to /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0 |
| 04:33.19 | Twingy | k |
| 04:34.09 | CIA-8 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/rise/master/master.c: Added tenths of a percent to rise progress. |
| 04:41.11 | jrobey | k, thanks |
| 04:41.23 | jrobey | howdy back atchya |
| 04:43.16 | jrobey | so, setting BRLCAD_ROOT=/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0 should help? |
| 04:43.30 | brlcad | should, haven't tested it |
| 04:43.49 | jrobey | k, I was just making sure I had the right variable |
| 04:43.56 | jrobey | giving me the same thing |
| 04:44.08 | jrobey | and it tab completed so 7.3.0 is there |
| 04:44.09 | brlcad | is there a /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/tclscripts ? |
| 04:44.52 | jrobey | yes |
| 04:45.04 | brlcad | and it still gives the gui error or somethign else? |
| 04:45.21 | jrobey | invalid command name "gui" |
| 04:45.38 | brlcad | hrmph |
| 04:45.48 | jrobey | jason@ice:/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/tclscripts$ $BRLCAD_ROOT |
| 04:45.48 | jrobey | bash: /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0: is a directory |
| 04:45.48 | jrobey | jason@ice:/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/tclscripts$ |
| 04:46.05 | jrobey | jason@ice:~/workspace$ mged |
| 04:46.05 | jrobey | Initializing and backgrounding, please wait...invalid command name "gui" |
| 04:46.11 | brlcad | unset the root var and try: cp -R /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/tclscripts /usr/brlcad/. |
| 04:46.20 | jrobey | k |
| 04:48.13 | jrobey | Initializing and backgrounding, please wait...Unable to find 'html/manuals/mged' within the BRL-CAD |
| 04:48.13 | jrobey | software installed in '/usr/brlcad'. |
| 04:48.13 | jrobey | This copy of BRL-CAD does not appear to be fully installed. |
| 04:48.13 | jrobey | Please contact your system administrator for assistance. |
| 04:48.14 | jrobey | bu_brlcad_path() |
| 04:48.14 | jrobey | bu_brlcad_path() |
| 04:48.18 | jrobey | did something new |
| 04:48.29 | brlcad | ahh, progress |
| 04:49.05 | jrobey | this is a good thing, then |
| 04:49.25 | brlcad | cp -R /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/doc/html /usr/brlcad/. |
| 04:50.08 | jrobey | I have windows! |
| 04:50.10 | jrobey | cool |
| 04:50.24 | jrobey | now I'll have to pull up the manual again |
| 04:50.32 | Twingy | my house has some windows |
| 04:50.40 | jrobey | heh |
| 04:50.56 | jrobey | thanks, btw |
| 04:51.03 | brlcad | cool deal, have to fix those two things tomorrow |
| 04:51.13 | jrobey | k |
| 04:51.23 | brlcad | restructuring the install paths to play better with the packaging operating systems |
| 04:51.49 | jrobey | ah, like debian |
| 04:51.53 | brlcad | debian and gentoo folks in particular |
| 04:52.32 | brlcad | and to a lesser extent the bsd folks |
| 04:52.44 | jrobey | nice systems, though |
| 04:53.13 | jrobey | of course I wouldn't fancy writing the gentoo script, the .deb stuff, and that base apt stuff |
| 04:53.53 | jrobey | so, now back to rise |
| 04:54.00 | jrobey | I'll see if I can see the update, now |
| 04:54.50 | brlcad | actually folks already provided the apt/deb stuff for us |
| 04:54.53 | jrobey | still a no-go on that |
| 04:55.07 | brlcad | this will help it get out of unstable/testing, though |
| 04:55.10 | brlcad | update of what? |
| 04:55.43 | jrobey | ah, cool--I was working w/ twingy on an update of cvs -- wasn't seeing a change just committed |
| 04:55.51 | jrobey | still not seeing it |
| 04:56.03 | jrobey | maybe it's just bedtime ;) |
| 04:56.04 | brlcad | hrm, your on anonymous |
| 04:56.09 | jrobey | ah |
| 04:56.16 | brlcad | that has a delay of up to 5 hours |
| 04:56.35 | brlcad | i'll set your non-anon access |
| 04:56.58 | jrobey | cool, thanks |
| 04:57.22 | brlcad | done |
| 04:57.35 | brlcad | you'll have to recheckout/update via non-anonymous |
| 04:58.01 | jrobey | k, will do |
| 04:58.04 | brlcad | or just wait for anon of course |
| 04:58.05 | jrobey | thanks |
| 04:58.12 | brlcad | no problem |
| 04:58.20 | brlcad | just be sure to read hacking if you plan on commiting anything |
| 04:58.35 | brlcad | don't break anything ;) |
| 04:58.35 | jrobey | k, will do--plan on read-only for a while |
| 04:58.39 | jrobey | heh, for sure |
| 04:59.13 | jrobey | I've been developing in Java for so long, I don't think I could make a successful change--feel like I'm going to school all over again |
| 04:59.30 | brlcad | hey, there's a java interface as you discovered ;) |
| 04:59.37 | brlcad | it could use improvements |
| 04:59.52 | jrobey | yeah, I'll be playing with that--and would love to make things better |
| 05:00.11 | brlcad | maybe even a proper java app or two have been discussed |
| 05:00.24 | jrobey | looking to integrate some of these tools into a project for school |
| 05:00.45 | brlcad | oh? |
| 05:00.59 | jrobey | well, I've got a fair bit of gui development experience in Swing, AWT, SWT, and OpenGL in java |
| 05:01.34 | jrobey | yeah, I'd like to use some of the geometry stuff and ray tracing in a simulation for autonomous, copettitive agents |
| 05:01.52 | jrobey | try to build the simulation side and then the robotic side for some simple agents |
| 05:01.56 | brlcad | I ran your agent app |
| 05:02.00 | jrobey | proof of concept for a visual language |
| 05:02.05 | jrobey | cool, which one? |
| 05:02.10 | brlcad | at least one of them |
| 05:02.10 | jrobey | ShapeUp probably |
| 05:02.29 | brlcad | one you were working on with Brian |
| 05:02.49 | jrobey | did it have bubbles with links or a fault tree thing |
| 05:03.04 | jrobey | ? |
| 05:03.20 | brlcad | there was battlefield agents moving around, various graphs of their fitness, etc |
| 05:03.29 | jrobey | ah, CoRBCAM |
| 05:03.33 | brlcad | yeah, that's it |
| 05:03.34 | jrobey | probably an old run |
| 05:03.43 | jrobey | that was using RePast--have made some improvements |
| 05:03.50 | jrobey | but the gui isn't fully there yet-- |
| 05:03.54 | brlcad | :) |
| 05:03.59 | jrobey | mostly sim redesign for event based stuffs |
| 05:04.12 | jrobey | yeah, that gui was somewhat embarrassing |
| 05:04.31 | jrobey | basically seeing what I could do with a library from another land |
| 05:04.31 | brlcad | proof of concept stuff often is ;) |
| 05:04.38 | jrobey | heh, yeah |
| 05:05.05 | jrobey | hey, what IDE do you use for C/C++ development? |
| 05:05.19 | brlcad | Emacs |
| 05:05.27 | jrobey | heh, cool |
| 05:05.56 | jrobey | somehow I skipped that--used vi a lot and a nice little split screen editor on VAX/VMS |
| 05:06.02 | jrobey | now I use eclipse mostly |
| 05:06.24 | brlcad | ahh, yes eclipse is progressing |
| 05:06.37 | Twingy | nano baby |
| 05:06.38 | jrobey | yeah, its nice lately-even does ruby |
| 05:06.43 | jrobey | heh, cool |
| 05:07.02 | jrobey | i don't think I've ever used nano |
| 05:07.08 | jrobey | have it installed, though |
| 05:07.26 | brlcad | nobody except Twingy programs with nano after any length of time.. |
| 05:07.37 | brlcad | he's really stubborn for some reason to learn a real editor |
| 05:07.39 | jrobey | I've written a few editing plugins in eclipse |
| 05:07.40 | jrobey | heh |
| 05:07.53 | jrobey | I know a few like that |
| 05:08.38 | brlcad | eclipse is one of the few gui editors I would consider, but I'm fairly experienced and efficient with emacs |
| 05:09.17 | brlcad | If I stick to just a single language, the choices narrow a bit too |
| 05:09.18 | Twingy | something about an editor being more than 100kB just seems wrong :P |
| 05:09.18 | jrobey | yeah, I can understand that--would take me a while to become as proficient in anything else as I am in eclipse |
| 05:09.50 | jrobey | heh, we had a tech lead who thought the same, and wrote an editor that was small and quick |
| 05:10.00 | jrobey | someone bought it for too little and now he can't use it |
| 05:10.04 | jrobey | legally |
| 05:10.22 | brlcad | that usually means featureless too |
| 05:10.33 | jrobey | cvs.sourceforge.net /cvsroot/brlcad? |
| 05:10.35 | Twingy | you mean like having a dishwasher in your car? |
| 05:10.38 | Twingy | *pass* :) |
| 05:10.58 | jrobey | yeah, he was pretty proud of the multiple paste buffers that were implemented and bound to different keys |
| 05:10.59 | brlcad | so uninformed :P |
| 05:11.00 | jrobey | lol |
| 05:11.16 | brlcad | jrobey: yes, that's the root |
| 05:11.27 | jrobey | thanks |
| 05:11.39 | brlcad | cvs.sf.net works too |
| 05:13.23 | jrobey | k |
| 05:13.29 | jrobey | getting the latest now |
| 05:14.35 | jrobey | k, well, I'll leave that running for a bit--thanks for the help and Twingy: I'll render the high-detail after everything is down and built |
| 05:14.45 | Twingy | heh, have fun |
| 05:14.54 | jrobey | thanks |
| 05:14.56 | jrobey | laters |
| 05:14.57 | Twingy | get yourself some render nodes :) |
| 05:14.59 | Twingy | later |
| 05:15.06 | jrobey | heh, WILCO |
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| 05:15.22 | Twingy | all your render nodes are belong to me |
| 05:16.26 | brlcad | have you benchmarked the performance quantitatively yet of either the path or ray tracer? |
| 05:16.35 | brlcad | i.e. exact same setups, same output |
| 05:16.44 | Twingy | on what? |
| 05:17.10 | brlcad | on the path and ray tracer |
| 05:17.32 | Twingy | erm, a few hundred times over the past 15 months |
| 05:17.39 | Twingy | but stuff keeps changing |
| 05:17.45 | Twingy | so the numbers don't mean much |
| 05:18.05 | brlcad | same setups that produce the same output? |
| 05:18.11 | brlcad | i hadn't seen that yet |
| 05:18.29 | Twingy | the path tracing better not produce the same results... |
| 05:18.34 | Twingy | it's a convergence |
| 05:18.37 | brlcad | well that one yes |
| 05:18.52 | brlcad | it would just be time for that one, but for the other it should be possible |
| 05:18.52 | Twingy | and I tossed phong out a while back |
| 05:18.57 | Twingy | just doing lambertian shading right now |
| 05:19.00 | Twingy | so... |
| 05:19.09 | Twingy | and my geometry files keep changing |
| 05:19.24 | Twingy | cause I get bored of looking at the same thing mainly |
| 05:19.28 | brlcad | so... |
| 05:19.30 | brlcad | you haven't |
| 05:19.34 | Twingy | correct-o |
| 05:19.41 | brlcad | k |
| 05:19.59 | Twingy | I suppose once it gets used for something other than pretty pictures I might do something like that |
| 05:20.09 | Twingy | until then.. no point |
| 05:23.00 | brlcad | no point? it would be a quantitative metric, makes for a much better selling case |
| 05:23.14 | Twingy | case for...? |
| 05:23.29 | Twingy | pretty pictures are an analogue thing... |
| 05:23.53 | brlcad | case for being able to tell people that it's actually faster than X |
| 05:24.12 | Twingy | ah |
| 05:24.13 | brlcad | it's come up a couple times when discussing with others |
| 05:24.16 | Twingy | well whip up 2 humvee's |
| 05:24.24 | Twingy | throw the cameras at the same angle |
| 05:24.27 | Twingy | and shoot some rays... |
| 05:24.28 | brlcad | I'm not looking to do it |
| 05:24.33 | brlcad | i was just wondering if you had |
| 05:24.39 | Twingy | well I mean for the people who are interested |
| 05:24.42 | brlcad | since it's what youv'e been working on after all |
| 05:24.54 | Twingy | I did it once a blue moon ago |
| 05:25.03 | Twingy | about a year ago |
| 05:25.08 | Twingy | it was something like 21x faster at that time |
| 05:25.19 | Twingy | like 4.5 minutes for rt and 18 seconds or something for rise |
| 05:25.26 | Twingy | 640x480 or something |
| 05:25.32 | brlcad | that wasn't the same model, iirc |
| 05:25.39 | brlcad | and not the same output |
| 05:25.39 | Twingy | yah it was |
| 05:25.43 | Twingy | the humvee was a bot |
| 05:25.55 | Twingy | they were both based off the same dxf file |
| 05:26.16 | Twingy | and I had the cameras to within a degree of each other |
| 05:26.23 | Twingy | and rounded the speedup down in favor of rt |
| 05:26.41 | Twingy | both doing flat shading |
| 05:26.48 | Twingy | so it wasn't benchmarking render code |
| 05:27.06 | brlcad | it's close, but still not quantitative |
| 05:27.15 | Twingy | exactly, but close is all we need here |
| 05:27.30 | Twingy | gives you 2 significant figures |
| 05:27.33 | brlcad | you've got to be kidding.. ?? |
| 05:27.35 | Twingy | that's all you really need for comparisson |
| 05:27.47 | Twingy | when people go, how fast is Product A over B |
| 05:27.53 | Twingy | you tell them 2.1, not 2.124981295 |
| 05:27.59 | Twingy | the brain doesn't work that way |
| 05:28.29 | brlcad | yeah, but if it can't even produce the same output, it's not the same comparison |
| 05:28.41 | Twingy | right, but it's close 'nuff |
| 05:28.41 | brlcad | no matter how close |
| 05:28.52 | Twingy | that's why I give a *rough* estimate |
| 05:28.58 | Twingy | not 5 signif figures |
| 05:29.16 | Twingy | so when joe blow runs the app on X geometry they can expect roughly a Y performance improvement |
| 05:29.59 | brlcad | more direct would be a csg tank vs a sufficiently polygonalized version that produces the same pixel output |
| 05:30.23 | Twingy | yah, that'd be kinda interesting, haven't done any csg vs. polygon bench's yet |
| 05:30.47 | Twingy | though it's kinda weird trying to pick how many triangles you should tesselate to |
| 05:31.00 | Twingy | that's kinda up to the user |
| 05:31.09 | Twingy | which makes the benchmark kinda pointless |
| 05:31.12 | Twingy | but neat |
| 05:31.44 | brlcad | that's why I said same pixel output .. there's a fairly exact threshold that should produce the same pixel |
| 05:31.59 | Twingy | yah, but I mean, who wants to spend several hours on that |
| 05:32.14 | Twingy | just like cleaning the kitchen floor with a toothbrush... it's not terribly productive |
| 05:32.35 | Twingy | maybe a good job for a summer student |
| 05:32.37 | Twingy | hrm... |
| 05:32.40 | Twingy | you've got me thinking now |
| 05:33.00 | brlcad | I disagree that it's not worth while -- that's what's being proposed for an ultimatel replacement |
| 05:33.20 | brlcad | might as well test exactly what that is, though I suppose it will sort of settle out of the muves integration |
| 05:33.50 | brlcad | hey, speaking of student.. |
| 05:33.50 | Twingy | replacement? eek |
| 05:33.59 | Twingy | I don't think it should ever become a replacement |
| 05:34.04 | brlcad | i heard one came in yesterday |
| 05:34.11 | Twingy | yah, I got one of em in my office |
| 05:34.11 | brlcad | that yours or mine? |
| 05:34.22 | Twingy | I'm not supposed to have any |
| 05:34.26 | Twingy | I'm just baby sitting for lee |
| 05:34.41 | brlcad | well, you're sitting on one, and I got the other |
| 05:34.53 | brlcad | so is that one yours or mine? :) |
| 05:34.54 | Twingy | for this week anyway |
| 05:35.05 | Twingy | the one I got lee told me to look after for a week |
| 05:35.17 | brlcad | ah, hrm.. that's different then |
| 05:37.10 | Twingy | my new gps arrived today :) |
| 05:37.15 | Twingy | good stuff |
| 05:37.57 | brlcad | what's the resolution? |
| 05:38.05 | brlcad | stable numbers? |
| 05:38.57 | Twingy | http://www.garmin.com/products/etrexVista/ |
| 05:39.17 | Twingy | built in compass and altimeter |
| 05:39.43 | Twingy | gps altimeter is worthless and gps compass is worthless unless moving |
| 05:40.13 | Twingy | Harmon mean computation for earth geode is crappy way to get altitude from sattelite :( |
| 05:40.53 | Twingy | got the suction cup window mount |
| 05:41.07 | Twingy | and a splitter for the lighter along with the dc adapter for car |
| 05:41.19 | Twingy | the backlight is handy for night driving |
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| 14:32.25 | archivist_ | "add please have patienceengravamet.co.uk |
| 14:34.35 | archivist_ | oops wrong keybord ignore |
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