| 00:31.46 | narnia | brlcad, why are you turning to the dark side? |
| 00:32.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:32.52 | brlcad | I'm just dancing in the shadows right now |
| 00:33.00 | brlcad | working in Studio would be the dark side |
| 00:36.18 | brlcad | BRL-CAD should work "everywhere" though, both the good the bad and the ugly |
| 00:38.17 | narnia | okay, good == anything unix like (linux, the bsds, macosx) ugly == anything microsoft so what is bad? |
| 00:38.44 | narnia | bad == os/2 ???? |
| 00:38.53 | narnia | cp/m |
| 00:39.01 | narnia | dr. dos |
| 00:39.05 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:39.37 | brlcad | i would have probably said anything ms is the bad |
| 00:39.38 | narnia | brl-cad should run under cp/m and os/2 |
| 00:39.46 | brlcad | os/2 and etc are the ugly :) |
| 00:40.10 | narnia | what???? cp/m rules. |
| 00:40.16 | brlcad | vms |
| 00:40.30 | narnia | bad == vms |
| 00:40.34 | narnia | agreed |
| 00:40.41 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:41.42 | narnia | btw, wednesday is will be out. gary's funeral prye and memorial service is wednesday. |
| 00:41.43 | brlcad | wouldn't be too hard to get a minimal subset on palmos |
| 00:42.27 | brlcad | brl-cad started on machines with less resources than the current power/size of the palms |
| 00:43.22 | brlcad | would have to make an input driver and framebuffer/dm interface |
| 00:43.55 | brlcad | should be possible to run classic mged, raytrace into the window |
| 00:44.52 | narnia | coming on your cellular telephone brl-cad. :-) |
| 00:45.36 | brlcad | heh, it's possible! |
| 00:45.47 | brlcad | solid modeling while on the road.. |
| 00:45.57 | brlcad | "hold on.. lemme sketch up the idea for you" |
| 00:51.15 | brlcad | woo.. mged just linked successfully |
| 00:51.33 | brlcad | i think I'll be done with this within the half hour if not less |
| 00:59.44 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/dg_obj.c: this FreeSolid list is private to librt |
| 01:00.52 | brlcad | indeed |
| 01:01.02 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/g_arb.c: the earb tables are provided by librt now instead of from the mged front end |
| 01:01.05 | brlcad | chanserv must have segfaulted |
| 01:01.20 | brlcad | or CIA sensed me working in cygwin |
| 01:37.59 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: check the term.h header with the other terminal library crew libraries to ensure compatibility when used together when multiple are available |
| 01:39.53 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/mged_solid.h: comment that the globals are brought to life in dozoom.c |
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| 02:03.34 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/dozoom.c: ws |
| 02:06.30 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/ (anal.c edarb.c edsol.c): the earb# arrays and the arb_faces array are now provided by librt directly instead of in the mged front-end |
| 02:15.47 | [Prez|Kennedy] | time for my first reboot in 15 days |
| 02:16.07 | [Prez|Kennedy] | lets hope the thing comes back up... last time i went so long without rebooting... it didnt :-\ |
| 02:21.25 | *** join/#brlcad PrezKennedy (~Matthew@130.85.253.237) |
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| 02:23.42 | PrezKennedy | guess it worked |
| 02:24.35 | Jegga | You there Sean? |
| 02:24.44 | brlcad | hello |
| 02:25.15 | Jegga | Hi its Jesse, your osx kid -lGL |
| 02:25.22 | brlcad | ahh, howdy ;) |
| 02:25.43 | brlcad | was that any better? |
| 02:25.57 | Jegga | one thing you said about x11 being in my utils concerns me... in apps/utilities or in development/apps/utilities? |
| 02:26.23 | brlcad | it should be in apps/utilities |
| 02:26.32 | brlcad | at least in 10.3.* |
| 02:26.47 | brlcad | white icon.. says X11 |
| 02:27.04 | Jegga | hmm, Im pretty sure I installed it, but I dont see x11 in there |
| 02:27.16 | brlcad | should be near the end of the list |
| 02:27.22 | dan_falck | brlcad:thanks for the OS X *.dmg |
| 02:27.31 | Jegga | but neway didnt the config output show that x11 present (ala my last post) |
| 02:27.37 | brlcad | dan_falck: np |
| 02:27.37 | Jegga | ????? the dmg is up? |
| 02:27.40 | dan_falck | got it running |
| 02:27.56 | brlcad | dan_falck: it doesn't set up your environment for you, so you would have had to modify your path minimally |
| 02:28.25 | brlcad | Jegga: I have a test .dmg binary build |
| 02:28.25 | dan_falck | su mged |
| 02:28.31 | brlcad | heh, you have a user named mged? :) |
| 02:28.38 | Jegga | im trying you last sugg now Sean, perhaps all the blood sweat and tears for nothing? |
| 02:28.55 | brlcad | Jegga: not necessarily .. |
| 02:29.08 | dan_falck | yeah, I need to set up permissions right. Can't seem to start a new database yet |
| 02:29.09 | brlcad | you have to find X11.app though :) |
| 02:29.10 | Jegga | I still feel like a 13 year old buying drugs when using the command line |
| 02:29.12 | brlcad | regardless |
| 02:29.32 | brlcad | dan_falck: ahh, thanks |
| 02:29.34 | Jegga | okeydokey searching... |
| 02:29.45 | brlcad | I was scratching my head last night trying to remember what I needed to make sure I fixed.. |
| 02:29.48 | brlcad | it was the permissions |
| 02:30.05 | brlcad | Jegga: try just searching on X11 and/or X11.app |
| 02:30.19 | Jegga | doing so |
| 02:31.19 | brlcad | dan_falck: I'd forgotten that the dmg installs itself with my user id.. not good for you :) |
| 02:31.31 | brlcad | you should be able to fix it with: |
| 02:32.35 | brlcad | sudo find /usr/brlcad -exec chown dan_faulk:admin {} \; |
| 02:33.34 | brlcad | replace dan_falck with whatever your user id is or root |
| 02:37.04 | brlcad | Jegga: what does this output from within Terminal? ls -la /Applications/Utilities/X11.app |
| 02:37.42 | dan_falck | brlcad: thanks. I now own all the stuff within the brlcad directory |
| 02:37.44 | brlcad | something saying Contents, or file/directory not found? |
| 02:38.01 | brlcad | dan_falck: make sure / and /usr are owned correctly too |
| 02:38.15 | brlcad | package installers write up the heirarchy |
| 02:38.26 | brlcad | ls -lad / |
| 02:38.30 | brlcad | ls -lad /usr |
| 02:38.58 | dan_falck | I can create a new database. It must be working |
| 02:39.33 | brlcad | well, if you're uncertain, you can always run Disk Utility and it will repair the permissions too |
| 02:40.00 | dan_falck | ok. thanks. |
| 02:40.26 | dan_falck | now I need to start reading the manual and create something. |
| 02:40.27 | brlcad | (automatically via a click of the "Repair Permissions" button) |
| 02:40.44 | Jegga | it outputs the sinking feeling that I dont have x11 installed, specially since I cant find it with sherlock |
| 02:41.03 | Jegga | Im currently scouring the cd |
| 02:41.04 | brlcad | Jegga: hrm.. you _had_ it installed at one point :) |
| 02:41.16 | brlcad | configure says so .. |
| 02:41.18 | Jegga | configure still tells me its there |
| 02:41.35 | brlcad | configure is saying that it found the X11 libraries and headers |
| 02:41.43 | brlcad | the X11 application is what's missing |
| 02:42.01 | Jegga | I am goin to reboot in expert install to see if I can fix it up |
| 02:42.08 | brlcad | Jegga: do you just want the binary? |
| 02:42.09 | Jegga | ahh, the compile failed right on time |
| 02:42.23 | brlcad | or are you really intent on building it? |
| 02:42.28 | Jegga | let me try the stuporuser install |
| 02:42.36 | Jegga | well Ive come this far... |
| 02:42.45 | Jegga | but the binary would be nice |
| 02:42.56 | brlcad | you will have to install the X11 application again apparently, regardless |
| 02:42.59 | Jegga | good luck getting a file through my japanese isp |
| 02:43.20 | Jegga | msn usually works, but ... be back in about 15 |
| 02:43.27 | Jegga | thanks for all the help so far |
| 02:43.29 | brlcad | okie dokie |
| 03:04.27 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/remrt/remrt.c: rt_verbosity is apparently being provided by liboptical, so don't repeat the symbol |
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| 03:14.54 | Jegga | brlcad: strange, when I reboot with the osx dvd it will let me install x11 but not without reinstalling osx and reverting my system to 10.3.7 - launching the "bundled software only" pkg doest give an option to install just x11, only the fruity tools and office demos |
| 03:15.21 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/remrt/rtsrv.c: |
| 03:15.21 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: rt_verbosity is being provided by liboptical, so don't need to repeat it here in |
| 03:15.21 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: the front end. also get rid of the silly SYSV checks and replace them with more |
| 03:15.21 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: appropriate preprocessor macros vars HAVE_SYS_IOCTL_H and TIOCNOTTY. |
| 03:15.29 | brlcad | hmm, okay |
| 03:15.39 | brlcad | you can download it from the website |
| 03:16.26 | Jegga | from apple? |
| 03:16.50 | brlcad | yes |
| 03:17.12 | brlcad | though they've moved the page with all the new pages for tiger |
| 03:19.12 | brlcad | http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/x11formacosx.html |
| 03:19.17 | Jegga | finalement tabernac c'est comme microsoft, un peu |
| 03:19.37 | Jegga | oui j'ai vu ca juste maintenant |
| 03:19.48 | Jegga | french works better than swearing |
| 03:19.48 | brlcad | ~translate fr en finalement tabernac c'est comme microsoft, un peu |
| 03:20.25 | Jegga | tabernacle is a french swearword eh? in canadian french eh? |
| 03:22.06 | brlcad | after you install that download from apple, (re?)install the X11 SDK too |
| 03:22.22 | Jegga | why?, for configuration? |
| 03:22.47 | brlcad | it's normally on the developer cd only, so I've put it here for your convenience: http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/X11SDK.pkg.tar.gz |
| 03:23.13 | brlcad | yes, for configuration -- just to make sure you have all the necessary pieces |
| 03:23.26 | Jegga | yeah I have it in my xcode tools/packages directory on my dvd |
| 03:24.07 | brlcad | is this system one that's been upgraded since 10.0 or 10.1 ? |
| 03:24.57 | Jegga | brand new with 10.3.7 |
| 03:25.07 | brlcad | hrm, so odd |
| 03:25.11 | Jegga | and not enough memory |
| 03:25.18 | brlcad | maybe you accidentally deleted X11 at some point |
| 03:25.53 | brlcad | or moved it to a place finder can't see it |
| 03:26.00 | Jegga | at first I was doing most of this from a diff account called dev (not an admin) and that gave me a bit of hassle, specially since visudo made me shit my pants |
| 03:26.00 | brlcad | "locate X11.app" would tell you |
| 03:26.32 | brlcad | you shouldn't need to sudo until the actual sudo make install |
| 03:26.36 | Jegga | so I switched in to my base acct, and perhaps I had installed x11 in the other one, should make a diff though right? |
| 03:26.57 | brlcad | x11 should have come preinstalled on a 10.3 system |
| 03:27.23 | Jegga | thats what I thought, but I upgraded to 10.3.9 first thing |
| 03:27.43 | brlcad | shouldn't matter, we have lots of machines like that here |
| 03:27.44 | Jegga | if this is apple giving me a crap video card in the mac mini Im going on a holy war |
| 03:28.23 | brlcad | no no .. you've not even gotten that far yet |
| 03:28.30 | brlcad | I've compiled and ran on a mini already too |
| 03:28.51 | Jegga | you should be a mental health councillor |
| 03:29.11 | Jegga | you make everything all right |
| 03:29.23 | brlcad | that would be just crazy of me :) |
| 03:31.21 | Jegga | hows performance on the mini? am I gonna kick myself for not getting something faster? |
| 03:32.02 | brlcad | depends completely on your expectations .. ;) |
| 03:32.18 | brlcad | I think they are impressive little machines.. beautiful |
| 03:32.20 | Jegga | low, is it shaded and rea time? Im happy if so |
| 03:32.29 | brlcad | decent processor |
| 03:32.56 | Jegga | hell its snappy compared to my wintel laptop that was twice as much used |
| 03:33.14 | brlcad | mged (brl-cad's gui-based solid modeler) does have an experimental shaded mode that you can enable, though it is off by default |
| 03:33.51 | Jegga | ahh well, bells and whistles |
| 03:33.53 | brlcad | the "second generation" mged that is yet to be released (archer) is shaded |
| 03:34.20 | brlcad | (yet to be released by us, that is -- it's used in production already) |
| 03:34.46 | Jegga | one last q: how do I install this so that its in my apps folder and available from any account? or is it already set for that? |
| 03:35.20 | brlcad | the completely new solid modeler under development by yours truely will also have several display modes possible (shaded, wireframe, edge, points, etc) |
| 03:36.43 | Jegga | ... <<Jesse Crosses Fingers, Knocks on Wood, and incises assembly code on his forehead in blood to appease the compile gods>> ... |
| 03:37.07 | brlcad | Jegga: you'll need to edit a certain file with a text editor for it to be available for all users.. run: |
| 03:37.21 | brlcad | open /etc/profile |
| 03:37.25 | brlcad | from Terminal |
| 03:37.35 | brlcad | it should pop open that file in text editor |
| 03:37.47 | brlcad | do you see a line that starts with PATH=... ? |
| 03:38.16 | brlcad | oh wow, brl-cad is now fully compiled in cygwin.. w00t |
| 03:39.13 | Jegga | I guess that means you have other things to do now ;) with any luck Ill be running in .5 hours |
| 03:39.22 | Jegga | yeah i got the paths line here |
| 03:39.32 | Jegga | PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin" |
| 03:39.32 | Jegga | export PATH |
| 03:39.37 | brlcad | great |
| 03:39.43 | brlcad | edit that PATH= line so that it says: |
| 03:40.00 | brlcad | PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/brlcad/bin" |
| 03:40.13 | brlcad | save the file, close it |
| 03:40.15 | Jegga | dunkeshien |
| 03:40.26 | Jegga | I can do this before compile is done? |
| 03:40.31 | brlcad | yes |
| 03:40.57 | brlcad | need to do the same thing with /etc/bashrc |
| 03:41.02 | brlcad | open /etc/bashrc |
| 03:41.14 | brlcad | add the same PATH= line, and the export PATH line |
| 03:41.24 | brlcad | save the file, close it |
| 03:41.29 | Jegga | whoa, unix newbie, how to save the file and xit? |
| 03:41.58 | brlcad | when you ran "open /etc/profile", it will pop open the file in TextEdit (the apple gui text editor) |
| 03:42.07 | brlcad | go to the menu.. :) |
| 03:42.13 | brlcad | File -> Save :) |
| 03:42.43 | Jegga | sorry looked like a terminal |
| 03:42.52 | Jegga | neway it wont let me overwrite |
| 03:43.04 | Jegga | :/ |
| 03:43.06 | brlcad | ahh, yes |
| 03:43.19 | brlcad | you'd have to be a priv user |
| 03:43.23 | Jegga | should i do all this logged in as root ? |
| 03:43.31 | brlcad | you could |
| 03:43.45 | brlcad | not "all" .. but the editing of /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc yes |
| 03:44.19 | Jegga | hmm kay, brb then |
| 03:44.23 | brlcad | there are ways to do it without logging in as root if you want me to take you through it |
| 03:44.32 | Jegga | please do master |
| 03:44.43 | Jegga | I shall call you sensei |
| 03:45.28 | brlcad | k, gimmie a sec |
| 03:47.48 | brlcad | okay, so you did the open /etc/profile, yes? |
| 03:47.55 | brlcad | and you have it edited in TextEdit |
| 03:47.59 | Jegga | yeah, all editing done |
| 03:48.06 | Jegga | both files |
| 03:48.06 | brlcad | save the file to your Desktop |
| 03:48.13 | brlcad | save both files to your desktop |
| 03:48.22 | brlcad | same name |
| 03:48.40 | brlcad | or name them whatever.. doesn't really matter :) |
| 03:48.53 | Jegga | gotcha |
| 03:48.53 | Jegga | done |
| 03:49.03 | brlcad | go to Terminal |
| 03:49.07 | brlcad | ls -la ~/Desktop/profile |
| 03:49.08 | Jegga | ya |
| 03:49.15 | brlcad | outputs what? |
| 03:50.06 | Jegga | ls: /Desktop/profile: No such file or directory |
| 03:50.24 | Jegga | ??? |
| 03:50.28 | brlcad | ~ |
| 03:50.31 | brlcad | ~/Desktop/profile |
| 03:50.36 | Jegga | sorry |
| 03:50.40 | brlcad | ~ is the key next to the 1 key |
| 03:51.41 | Jegga | on mine its over by the yen sign :) -rw-r--r-- 1 jesse jesse 142 26 Apr 12:48 /Users/jesse/Desktop/profile |
| 03:51.51 | brlcad | ahh, true :) |
| 03:52.07 | brlcad | good good |
| 03:52.15 | brlcad | ls -la ~/Desktop/bashrc |
| 03:52.35 | Jegga | -rw-r--r-- 1 jesse jesse 225 26 Apr 12:48 /Users/jesse/Desktop/bashrc |
| 03:52.38 | brlcad | great |
| 03:52.42 | brlcad | now run: |
| 03:52.54 | brlcad | sudo cp ~/Desktop/profile /etc/profile |
| 03:53.03 | brlcad | sudo cp ~/Desktop/bashrc /etc/bashrc |
| 03:53.10 | brlcad | the first one should prompt you for your password |
| 03:54.35 | Jegga | okey dokey, we just copied our permissioned copy over the system files right? |
| 03:55.00 | Jegga | slick |
| 04:00.12 | brlcad | right |
| 04:00.17 | brlcad | use sudo with care :) |
| 04:00.24 | brlcad | especially with regards to rm |
| 04:00.44 | Jegga | no kidding, I have broken a few linuxes in the past |
| 04:00.50 | Jegga | well, only one or two |
| 04:01.00 | brlcad | so now your path is set up, so when you run X11, it should find brl-cad just fine for any user |
| 04:01.13 | Jegga | what so sudo rm -rf * is a no no? |
| 04:01.22 | brlcad | depends on where you are :) |
| 04:01.58 | Jegga | well, I still dont know how to get to /dev/hda1 so I should be all right :) |
| 04:02.16 | Jegga | if you ever need a guinea pig (cause I got no skills otherwise) let me know |
| 04:02.21 | brlcad | thems dangerous words :) |
| 04:02.33 | Jegga | well, at least for software |
| 04:02.51 | brlcad | thems still dangerous words :) |
| 04:03.23 | brlcad | you'll probably be too exhausted or mad once you get it all working ;) |
| 04:03.37 | brlcad | Jegga: you have downloaded the users manuals? |
| 04:03.38 | Jegga | lol, I need to got to work in 20 min |
| 04:03.43 | brlcad | they're on the website |
| 04:03.53 | brlcad | okay |
| 04:04.01 | Jegga | but Ill get it up tonight - then my girlfreind will be mad |
| 04:04.18 | brlcad | so, path is set up.. did you download/install X11 from apple? |
| 04:04.46 | Jegga | yes, which is evidenced by this much longer compile Im experiencing |
| 04:05.03 | brlcad | ahh, that sounds good then |
| 04:05.05 | Jegga | An error now would really make me sad |
| 04:05.32 | brlcad | if you get another error, we'll just install the binary |
| 04:05.58 | brlcad | I should have posted it two months ago, but wasn't comfortable with the scripting yet |
| 04:07.59 | brlcad | woo hoo .. BRL-CAD benchmark run completely and correctly through cygwin |
| 04:08.00 | Jegga | yeah well life is learning, I gotta find the time (as if there would ever be enough) to learn my Unix |
| 04:08.59 | Jegga | yeah, now just prey the spyware doesnt kill it :) |
| 04:09.53 | Jegga | :) |
| 04:10.00 | Jegga | this is like watching pro sports |
| 04:10.12 | brlcad | people have been clamoring for this for _years_.. looks like it's done |
| 04:11.10 | Jegga | hey man when I found out that I could compile this on a mac I went to akihabara and initiated a month of poverty |
| 04:11.19 | Jegga | fed up with windows anyway |
| 04:11.27 | brlcad | You witnesed it here, the first full port of BRL-CAD to Windows (we've been on Win for years, just this makes the first full port) |
| 04:11.50 | Jegga | but will it run on my 800MHz laptop with no OpenGL? |
| 04:11.53 | brlcad | hehe, yeah, I hear ya.. I don't use windows myself |
| 04:12.04 | brlcad | os x is my primary platform (as it is for most of us around here) |
| 04:12.32 | brlcad | brl-cad does not need opengl inherintly, it can work |
| 04:12.33 | ewilhelm_ | lol! apple is a defense contractor? |
| 04:12.37 | Jegga | <<Jesse Waxes poetic and minimizes all his windows in slo-mo>> |
| 04:12.58 | brlcad | our new build system isn't that flexible to let you turn off opengl yet very easily (unless you know how to edit configure.ac text files) |
| 04:13.21 | Jegga | ahh, more fun ahead on windows... |
| 04:13.30 | brlcad | i'm sure apple probably is a defense contractor, though I dont' see the relation :) |
| 04:13.39 | brlcad | most large companies are |
| 04:14.05 | Jegga | well how did you become the brl-cad guy? |
| 04:14.19 | ewilhelm_ | you haven't heard the $100 screwdriver saw? |
| 04:14.39 | ewilhelm_ | (oops mixed a metaphor with an actual tool there) |
| 04:14.42 | brlcad | i could care less about the port to windows myself .. could have done it years ago if I really wanted -- it's been very low on my priority list that it's finally now simple as a side effect to other work I completed |
| 04:15.01 | Jegga | cygwin helps eh? |
| 04:15.28 | brlcad | it helps a bit, get to use the same build system |
| 04:15.37 | brlcad | instead of replicating it all in Studio |
| 04:16.02 | brlcad | I did that years ago for kicks and knew that wouldn't work for long term maintenance |
| 04:17.05 | brlcad | now I need to test out mingw and msys |
| 04:17.34 | brlcad | but that can be for another day .. too much windows for one day already :) |
| 04:17.39 | Jegga | hmm, thousands of lines of code for kicks, Im still trying to convert characters to ints and back to characters .. lol |
| 04:18.33 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:18.43 | brlcad | so you're learning to code? |
| 04:19.33 | narnia | okay, how bad/ugly does code have to be before you just discard it and start over? |
| 04:20.08 | brlcad | narnia: pretty darn bad, imo .. and it's a function of line/feature count |
| 04:21.26 | brlcad | mged, for example, is a great case for an app that needs to be (and is being) rewritten |
| 04:21.52 | Jegga | ya leaning for the 4th time |
| 04:21.59 | Jegga | leaning = learning |
| 04:22.14 | brlcad | that refactoring is major, though, and will ultimately be very expensive to ultimately reimplement no matter how good the libraries and tools are you have to work with |
| 04:22.14 | Jegga | I guess now Ill start with objective c |
| 04:22.41 | Jegga | something about the word WinClass makes me queasy |
| 04:23.02 | brlcad | i'm rather fond of objective C myself |
| 04:23.25 | narnia | i have an old nist source file. given the coding styles persent in the file there are at least 7 different authors. |
| 04:23.35 | brlcad | the smalltalkish objectification of C was a cleaner way to go, albeit the syntax is fugly |
| 04:23.59 | brlcad | narnia: run it through indent? :) |
| 04:26.11 | Jegga | <<Jessy adorns battle armor and consigns himself to the dungeons of Smiley's English Conversation School>> ttyal |
| 04:26.25 | Jegga | thanks a million - make completed successfully |
| 04:27.12 | brlcad | excellent |
| 04:27.21 | brlcad | now try "make benchmark" |
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| 04:31.12 | brlcad | make benchmark will run several standard raytraces that test system performance and verify that the render library is working correctly |
| 04:31.43 | brlcad | if it says CORRECT for all the tests, you can then run "sudo make install" |
| 04:32.05 | brlcad | then you can run X11, and should be able to type "mged" to get the solid modeler |
| 05:14.13 | brlcad | well, off to foodage i think |
| 05:26.06 | Twingy | http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/ |
| 05:58.41 | narnia | Twingy, do you have any pictures of your rocket? |
| 06:09.24 | narnia | Twingy, would you have the need of a steel table 14ft by 7ft-7in by 1.25inches. that is just the top. the legs and frame are steel i-beams. the table top weighs just under 3 tons. |
| 06:22.57 | Twingy | ah |
| 06:22.58 | Twingy | possibly |
| 06:23.11 | Twingy | but not for another year or so, when I move to a bigger house |
| 06:23.28 | Twingy | pictures of rocket will probly go up in 2 weeks |
| 06:24.16 | Twingy | check out my inventory |
| 06:24.19 | Twingy | www.rt.cx/migikey |
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| 06:44.33 | narnia | Twingy, i get "Authorization Required" |
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| 06:49.28 | Twingy | yes |
| 06:49.33 | Twingy | click ok |
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| 06:52.53 | Twingy | night |
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| 07:05.23 | ewilhelm_ | wow. Now *that's* a table top |
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| 07:13.40 | cad107 | dan_falck: /who |
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| 07:19.20 | brlcad | hello daniel |
| 07:19.44 | brlcad | goodbye daniel |
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| 07:20.24 | brlcad | progress? |
| 07:21.06 | brlcad | d_rossberg: a message made it through earlier .. |
| 07:21.22 | brlcad | can you write? |
| 07:21.34 | d_rossberg | apparently, at last I had a problem with my nick name: there was already a rossberg in |
| 07:22.00 | brlcad | yep, already a rossberg |
| 07:22.01 | brlcad | 03:21 -!- rossberg [~rossberg@groove.ps.uni-sb.de] |
| 07:22.01 | brlcad | 03:21 -!- ircname : Andreas Rossberg |
| 07:22.01 | brlcad | 03:21 -!- channels : #sml #ocaml #haskell |
| 07:22.02 | brlcad | 0 |
| 07:22.43 | brlcad | so you were able to get cgi:irc working apparently |
| 07:22.55 | brlcad | what finally made it work? |
| 07:24.16 | d_rossberg | a call with our IT people, they made some changes for me :-) |
| 07:24.34 | brlcad | ahh, special exceptions :) |
| 07:25.42 | d_rossberg | What time is it in the US? 3:30? |
| 07:25.48 | brlcad | yes |
| 07:27.09 | d_rossberg | how about taking a nap? |
| 07:27.35 | brlcad | soon :) |
| 07:28.08 | brlcad | made good code progress today, so it's been a late day |
| 07:28.56 | brlcad | d_rossberg: can you ssh out? |
| 07:41.42 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/machine.h: Turn on SMP support for Windows, get rid of the cruft |
| 07:47.07 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/fbed/std.h: get rid of the old apparently unused IRIX3_3 define |
| 07:54.41 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/fbserv/fbserv.c: if/when someone compiles on irix 5 again, we can refactor the build logic for a proper configure check instead of defining _BSD_COMPAT for undocumented reasons |
| 07:56.33 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/fbserv/fbserv.c: use HAVE_SYSLOG_H define from configure |
| 07:57.03 | brlcad | d_rossberg: you are utc/gmt+1 ? |
| 08:06.18 | d_rossberg | I'm GMT+1, UTC+2 (daylight saving time) |
| 08:06.51 | brlcad | ahh, so almost lunchtime :) |
| 08:15.31 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libfb/if_ogl.c: make sure the irix define is defined before parsing a value via #if |
| 08:16.22 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libfb/if_4d.c: remove stale/unused debug log message |
| 08:24.17 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: make sure sys/types.h was found before using it |
| 08:28.11 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libtermio/termio.c: use the configure check header file macros for fcntl.h and sys/file.h |
| 08:32.29 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/remrt/rtsrv.c: remove the old irix _BSD_COMPAT hack, needs to be a configure check if anyone ever tries compiling there again |
| 08:40.13 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/rt/ (do.c viewedge.c): use if defined() preprocessor checks for the symbols so cygwin behaves |
| 08:41.42 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/util/ttcp.c: is IRIX even defined? check it |
| 08:49.27 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/vdeck/std.h: remove the old define cruft letting someone refactor again later via proper configure checks if they are even actually still needed. |
| 13:04.58 | Jegga | Can anyone tell me how to turn on shaded mode in 7.2.2? |
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| 14:15.13 | narnia | argh, indent does not grok macros. |
| 14:37.10 | Jegga | brlcad: you awake? |
| 14:37.47 | Jegga | tell me the ways of turning on real time shading oh master |
| 17:35.46 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: force itcl to on by default instead of auto until a suitable means to find the ITCL_LIBRARY can be found |
| 17:38.59 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: print messages to stderr so they don't show up in the configure output (should still show up in config.log). |
| 17:41.36 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: checks added for termcap/curses (added termlib), checks added for urt, checks added for system libs and optional build libs (including libtcl) |
| 17:45.50 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: convert the documentation to docbook, add dynamic geometry support |
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| 18:01.05 | menotume | learner, brlcad ... pingo |
| 18:10.27 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/librt/dg_obj.c: Modified the dgo_bot_check_leaf function to call rt_bot_plot_poly or rt_pg_plot_poly if possible (for the unevaluated shaded mode hack) |
| 18:24.01 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: |
| 18:24.01 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: instead of scaling over time, a backwards-compatible solution that provides the |
| 18:24.01 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: same results was to simply hypersample without jitter. an interesting benchmark |
| 18:24.01 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: improvement would be to continue the renders until the rtfm variance is below |
| 18:24.01 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: some threshold. |
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| 18:31.05 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/BUGS: |
| 18:31.05 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: rtarea bug should be squished now. it still uses the global, but should not be |
| 18:31.05 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: doing the forking any more unless it's required -- and if it does fork, it will |
| 18:31.05 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: force rtarea to single-threaded so values are properly computed. |
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| 19:36.07 | brlcad | narnia: it doesn't? hrm.. |
| 19:37.26 | narnia | brlcad, what doesn't? |
| 19:53.29 | brlcad | indent |
| 20:17.06 | narnia | brlcad, indent does not grok macros. |
| 20:17.16 | narnia | brlcad, that is correct. |
| 20:20.19 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:22.08 | narnia | GNU indent 2.2.9 |
| 20:23.27 | narnia | it combines macros and statement following the macro into a single line. |
| 20:23.51 | narnia | so: LISTdo( a, b, c ) |
| 20:24.05 | narnia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.10 | narnia | becomes |
| 20:24.26 | narnia | LISTdo(a, b, c) if (something) |
| 20:24.37 | brlcad | shouldn't that be LISTdo( a, b, c ); |
| 20:25.02 | brlcad | it doesn't strictly matter but... |
| 20:25.18 | brlcad | stylewise, that is something I've not seen someone do yet |
| 20:25.23 | narnia | LISTdo is defined as: |
| 20:25.26 | narnia | #define LISTdo(list, elt, type) \ |
| 20:25.26 | narnia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.26 | narnia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.26 | narnia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.26 | narnia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.27 | narnia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.29 | narnia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.40 | brlcad | sure, it's a code block |
| 20:25.41 | narnia | LISTod is defined as: |
| 20:25.55 | narnia | #define LISTod }}} |
| 20:25.56 | brlcad | effectively inserts a { .. } in the code |
| 20:26.05 | narnia | yes |
| 20:26.14 | brlcad | so { .. }; is harmless, but lets it blend like functions and matches style |
| 20:26.48 | narnia | ???? |
| 20:27.14 | brlcad | we have macro blocks like that all throughout brl-cad |
| 20:27.28 | brlcad | the core math routines do that for performance |
| 20:28.00 | brlcad | having LISTdo( ... ); in the code doesn't change the logic |
| 20:28.10 | narnia | so you are saying do :: |
| 20:28.18 | narnia | LISTdo (a, b, c ) |
| 20:28.20 | narnia | { |
| 20:28.21 | narnia | } |
| 20:28.24 | narnia | LISTod |
| 20:28.32 | brlcad | no |
| 20:28.40 | brlcad | the macros stay as they are |
| 20:28.48 | brlcad | when you use the macro, though |
| 20:28.55 | brlcad | you append the ; |
| 20:29.06 | brlcad | effectively treating it like a function call |
| 20:29.15 | brlcad | LISTdo( a, b, c ); |
| 20:29.17 | brlcad | if (something) |
| 20:29.49 | brlcad | indent's getting just as confused as I would have been reading teh code |
| 20:29.54 | brlcad | looks like a syntax error |
| 20:30.04 | brlcad | without the ; |
| 20:30.49 | narnia | i would like to have:: |
| 20:30.58 | narnia | LISTdo(a, b, c); |
| 20:31.07 | narnia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.12 | narnia | LISTod; |
| 20:31.45 | narnia | i would like whatever is between LISTdo and LISTod indented. |
| 20:32.27 | narnia | there is literal hundreds of LISTdo/LISTod in libexpress. |
| 20:32.55 | brlcad | ahh i misunderstood the do od pair |
| 20:32.58 | brlcad | shame on them |
| 20:34.16 | narnia | well i have to live with it or change it. right now i am living with it. |
| 20:34.55 | narnia | the code would become real ugly real quick if i replaced the LISTdo/LISTod combinations with the actual code. |
| 20:35.32 | brlcad | yeah understand. the problem is the macro itself |
| 20:36.33 | brlcad | it's an "incomplete" macro |
| 20:36.43 | narnia | basically LISTdo open a code block, user added code, LISTod closes the code block. |
| 20:37.21 | narnia | i call them degenerate macros. |
| 20:37.37 | brlcad | if you make LISTod take an empty parameter list, the semicolons would fix it |
| 20:37.47 | brlcad | so it's sort of like opengl's begin/end |
| 20:38.24 | brlcad | or even better, remove the { |
| 20:38.43 | brlcad | so it becomes: |
| 20:38.50 | brlcad | LISTdo (a, b, c) { |
| 20:39.00 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.04 | brlcad | } LISTod; |
| 20:39.42 | brlcad | then indentation will be correct too |
| 20:39.59 | narnia | so remove the inner most {} pair. (for loop {} pair) |
| 20:42.15 | brlcad | the starting { in the LISTdo (before the struct Linked_list) and one of the } in LISTod |
| 20:43.17 | brlcad | ack my bad, you're right |
| 20:43.24 | brlcad | hrm.. that's a problem |
| 20:43.51 | brlcad | that elt line is nfg |
| 20:44.23 | brlcad | if you move it into the for itself, you can remove the last { in LISTdo |
| 20:45.53 | brlcad | i.e. (elt) = (type)((__p)->data ; for ( __p = __l->mark; (__p = __p->next) != __l->mark; (elt) = (type)((__p)->data) ) |
| 20:49.57 | narnia | i do not think that will work. the third part of a for loop is only hit after the for loop executes at least once. |
| 20:50.29 | narnia | the first time elt will be undefined. |
| 20:52.34 | narnia | could possible do ; for ( __p = __l->mark, (elt) = (type)((__p)->data); (__p = __p->next) != __l->mark; ) |
| 20:53.41 | narnia | nevermind that will not work either. |
| 20:54.26 | narnia | it would have to be in both the 1st and 3rd parameters to the for loop. |
| 20:54.47 | narnia | which looks really ugly. |
| 20:55.42 | narnia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.53 | narnia | would definitely break backward compatibility. |
| 20:57.59 | narnia | any source code relying on those macros would have to be changed. that is an unknown amount of source code. |
| 21:00.47 | narnia | it boils down to which is uglier and how desireable is backward compatibility. |
| 21:29.03 | brlcad | not undefined, you missed the first part |
| 21:29.23 | brlcad | aside from my var error |
| 21:29.31 | brlcad | before the for loop you set (elt) |
| 21:30.26 | brlcad | which is where I typod: (elt) = (type)((__l->mark)->data); for (... |
| 21:30.41 | brlcad | that is the same logic |
| 21:30.47 | brlcad | just different placement |
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