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00:38.19CIA-3libIRC: add method to do a nick change
00:38.19CIA-3libIRC: fix up release builds
00:44.12CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (5 files in 2 dirs): quell the Xlib extension warning on XInputExtension by checking for it and not making a call to XListInputDevices if it's not available.
01:21.11CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: support the busted term.h header on solaris. it requires curses.h, so check for an include it before the header check.
02:56.51CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/URToolkit/tools/into.c: quell warning, main needs to return an int
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06:54.59CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: HAVE_ defines need to be undefined when false, not set to zero -- HAVE_SYS_ERRLIST_DECL needed fix'in
07:30.51CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: s/SOCKET/LIBSOCKET/g
07:31.53CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/Makefile.am: libtcl requires -lsocket if it's available
08:58.32CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: library link reworking, add libnsl check, clean up libsocket check
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08:59.07CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/Makefile.am: add libnsl
09:03.33CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: zlib link naming consistency
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13:14.38dhoIs it possible to open autocad dwg files with brlcad?
15:24.49EricWilhelmdho, not exactly
15:24.53EricWilhelm(yet)
15:25.18EricWilhelmthere's a dxf converter, but nothing for dwg
15:25.35EricWilhelmwhat kind of files do you have? (surfaces? wireframe? solids?)
15:27.03dhoJust some 2D stuff. I don't know anything about CAD, just taking a look at some stuff my uncle has.
15:27.12dhoI got the things exported to dxf, so that's a first step I guess :)
15:28.04EricWilhelmthere's a dxf-g program
15:28.08EricWilhelmman dxf-g
15:28.38EricWilhelmThe file.dxf file is expected to  be
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15:30.33dhoThanks
15:30.37EricWilhelmI would like to have some preliminary dwg support in the uber-converter by about July.
15:30.51dhoAnother thing; I'm having an issue with MGED that when I try to start it, it says `backgrounding, please wait\n dm-ogl: Can't make display lists for font.'
15:31.00dhoAfter that I never see anything
15:31.14EricWilhelmNot sure what it will take to get from there to brlcad, but at least it would give you dwg->dxf on the command-line.
15:32.03EricWilhelmhmm.  that's a question for one of the other guys (who are more involved in brlcad than I am.)
15:32.23dhoOk; I'll stick around. Thanks :)
15:32.36EricWilhelmwhat os are you running
15:34.08dhoFreeBSD
15:41.14EricWilhelmdho, I see (in my logs) that someone else had the same trouble with freebsd before, but haven't found what solved it yet
15:41.26EricWilhelmbrlcad, do you work sundays?
15:44.51EricWilhelmdho, maybe try this:
15:45.22EricWilhelmJan 21 02:56:56 <tetesuro>      Oh, I got the gui up
15:45.23EricWilhelmJan 21 02:57:06 <tetesuro>      mged -n name.g
15:45.23EricWilhelmJan 21 02:57:09 <tetesuro>      attach X
15:45.23EricWilhelmJan 21 02:57:12 <corbanj>       cool...
15:45.23EricWilhelmJan 21 02:57:20 <brlcad>        ahh, the old X interface
15:45.23EricWilhelmJan 21 02:57:27 <tetesuro>      right
15:46.11EricWilhelmdho, I guess you have an opengl problem, but it looks like you should be able to run on a straight X gui.
15:46.28dhoaha -n!
15:47.08dhothanks
15:47.59EricWilhelmyou might still want to hang around and ask brlcad if the ogl issue ever got solved in that case
15:48.34dhoWill do :)
16:04.26brlcadEricWilhelm: depends how you define work -- I work on brl-cad and am here in the # pretty much every day
16:06.02brlcaddho: there was a fix made to test the font display list creation, but there's probably more that needs to be done.  the "fix" being made now is to not make the opengl interface the default (there are several to choose from all pretty much functionally equivalent)
18:25.38CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: need non-generic installation instructinos
18:27.35CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (INSTALL COPYING): add an rcs revision number for change tracking
18:52.25narniabrlcad, given that i do not have part23 to look at my next question may be mute when we are able to read part 23. how close should part 23 and part 24 be?
18:56.55brlcadwhat do you mean?
18:57.08brlcadhow close are the api hooks?
18:57.41brlcadi suspect relatively similar.. but.. ??
19:19.04narniabrlcad, not have part23 i can only go by the nist scl source.
19:19.30brlcadbut what does part23 matter?
19:19.51narniabrlcad, part23 is the c++ language bindings
19:20.04brlcadi know.. that's why I'm wondering why it matters
19:20.37brlcadwe have the c lang bindings .. only need one binding ;)
19:20.39narniabrlcad, okay, for right now is does not matter.
19:22.36narniabrlcad, perhaps the 10303 parts should be a sub-project of brl-cad. the 10303 parts should be standalone libraries.
19:23.46narniabrlcad, a 'nice to have' would be both part 23 and part 24. i agree for brl-cad part 24 is only needed.
19:56.51CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac:
19:56.51CIA-3BRL-CAD: improved/individual library checks across the board for gl, dl, mx, malloc, dl,
19:56.51CIA-3BRL-CAD: nsl, and socket. get rid of the 'bad' AC_SEARCH_LIBS. improve the INSTALL and
19:56.51CIA-3BRL-CAD: COPYING file bug check by comparing the rcs revision numbers.
20:27.16CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): use LIBGL for -lgl instead of SGIGL
20:51.50CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/HACKING: Update the ChangeLog with entries since the last release
20:52.15CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: rename INSTALL,COPYING check variables
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21:09.21CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/rt/.cvsignore: few missing generated version files
21:20.14CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/URToolkit/ (cnv/.cvsignore tools/.cvsignore): ignore generated files
21:26.01CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/conv/.cvsignore: new additions to ignore
22:50.21EricWilhelmbrlcad, have you seen the scons build system?
22:52.44brlcadyes I have
22:53.41brlcadit's nice, though lacking a bit of maturity
22:53.47EricWilhelmthought about migrating to it?  The docs at least have some interesting things to say about m4, etc.
22:54.09EricWilhelmI haven't really learned autoconf, and was thinking maybe I wouldn't need to.
22:54.13brlcadyes, I have .. I'm interested, but it's a _lot_ of work no matter how it's cut
22:54.34brlcadit's conceptually very much a step up from the gnu build system
22:54.35EricWilhelmof course, I haven't left my happy little perl development environment, so maybe moot :-)
22:55.12brlcadthe main difference is that the gnu build system is immensely more developed, mature, and familiar to folks than scons
22:55.30brlcadwith all it's warts, it is what everyone mostly uses
22:55.41EricWilhelmI have been looking at setting up a nightly build system for my subversion repository, so scons, Module::Build, and similar stuff keeps coming up on google.
22:56.04brlcadthat being said, I'd drop it in a heartbeat if scons was working on the entire build system with at least as much as we already have completed
22:57.24EricWilhelmscons definitely seems more hackable, which is part of why I'm asking.  I'll put a few more things on my "to read" list.
22:58.02brlcadhmm.. hackable isn't a downside of the gbs .. you can write tests for just about anything
22:58.33brlcadthe pain is if you actually have to write tests for _everything_ .. that's a lot of work and a codebase in itself with spagetti logic that ends up needing to be maintained
22:58.33EricWilhelmhow about 'make live-install' ?
22:58.43brlcadmake live-install?
22:59.26EricWilhelmI'm still working on how it would make sense in a compiled project, but that's my primary methodology in interpreted code.
22:59.59EricWilhelmI suppose it would still have application in brl-cad, blender, etc where you have scripted plugins and add-ons (e.g. tcl or python)
23:00.49EricWilhelmhttp://scratchcomputing.com/developers/live-install.html
23:02.34EricWilhelmbrlcad, partly I'm trying to make drive-by hacking easier.  I suppose in a compiled project, this would essentially mean that you would only have to 'make' the code to have your changes available.
23:02.52brlcadno offense, but that write-up didn't really tell me much :)
23:03.04brlcadit told me what it's not to a little extent
23:03.13EricWilhelm"make && make test && make install" is great and all, but somewhat tedious
23:03.17EricWilhelmyeah.
23:03.56EricWilhelmI need to work on that.  Did you mean the web page or the how_this_works.txt file?
23:05.10brlcadyes :)
23:05.38EricWilhelmok.  sorry, I'll work on that some more before I bring it up again.
23:06.32EricWilhelmlike I said, I'm still not sure what it does for compiled code.  It's a work in progress.
23:06.41brlcadno, I mean.. what's the basic idea?  make a sandbox to install/run in?
23:06.58EricWilhelmno, it's about the opposite of a sandbox.
23:07.36EricWilhelmIt allows you to run bleeding edge code as if you had installed it with 'make install'.
23:08.02EricWilhelmFor interpreted code, that means "straight out of a CVS/SVN checkout."
23:08.48brlcadsounds like gentoo for interpreted code ;)
23:08.56EricWilhelmso, it's a way of getting faster reflection.
23:09.09EricWilhelmyeah, maybe a bit like that.
23:09.45EricWilhelmhmm.  it would be great if it would play nicely with package managers eh?
23:10.07EricWilhelmbut, that's an issue with perl libraries in general I guess (at least from what I've seen on debian)
23:28.00CIA-3BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: announce that the backup is being made in the result, equal is probably modified locally

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