| 01:29.29 | jano | hmm |
| 01:29.39 | jano | my irivier ain't allowing me to move files over to my pc |
| 01:29.40 | jano | wtf |
| 01:29.57 | jano | i don't want to have to reburn my cds |
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| 18:23.29 | skel_home | can anyone assist me? I'm trying to build brlcad from cvs |
| 18:23.47 | skel_home | the autogen.sh complains that I don't have automake 1.6 when I run it |
| 18:24.08 | skel_home | my /usr/bin/automake is symlinked to automake 1.4 |
| 18:24.34 | skel_home | so I re-run it after symlinking to automake-1.6 and it complains that it needs 1.4 =/ |
| 18:25.32 | skel_home | ERROR: To prepare the BRL-CAD build system from scratch, |
| 18:25.32 | skel_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.34 | brlcad | brl-cad does need 1.6 |
| 18:25.39 | skel_home | so I switched from 1.4 to 1.6 and I get |
| 18:25.52 | skel_home | aclocal.m4:895: version mismatch. This is Automake 1.6.3, but aclocal.m4 |
| 18:25.52 | skel_home | aclocal.m4:895: was generated for Automake 1.4-p6. You should recreate |
| 18:25.52 | skel_home | aclocal.m4:895: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again. |
| 18:25.53 | skel_home | ERROR: automake failed |
| 18:26.20 | brlcad | aclocal is part of automake |
| 18:26.20 | skel_home | and I wiped out the cvs tree and resynced between each try |
| 18:26.46 | brlcad | if you updated the automake symlink, there are a couple others you have to update too |
| 18:26.47 | skel_home | so aclocal is a seperate binary I probably need to fix the symlink there too? |
| 18:26.51 | skel_home | ok |
| 18:27.05 | brlcad | bsd yes? |
| 18:27.09 | skel_home | ty =] I'll see if I can do that |
| 18:27.12 | skel_home | debian |
| 18:27.17 | skel_home | ubuntu to be specific |
| 18:27.22 | skel_home | on x86_64 |
| 18:27.23 | brlcad | ahh |
| 18:28.03 | brlcad | that should be using the alternatives system no? |
| 18:28.51 | skel_home | yeah Its linked to /etc/alternatives something |
| 18:29.07 | skel_home | I'm not sure how that works.. so I just linked it to the other automake |
| 18:29.10 | brlcad | so you should use that to switch from 1.4 to 1.6 :) |
| 18:29.23 | skel_home | oh |
| 18:29.27 | skel_home | ok =] |
| 18:29.40 | brlcad | update-alternatives --config automake |
| 18:29.55 | brlcad | as root |
| 18:31.26 | skel_home | same with aclocal? |
| 18:31.35 | skel_home | or does it know to change that? |
| 18:32.06 | skel_home | brlcad: thats cool =] much easier than hand linking all that crap |
| 18:32.08 | skel_home | brlcad: ty =] |
| 18:33.16 | skel_home | cool its building now =] |
| 18:33.46 | brlcad | ;) |
| 18:34.08 | brlcad | aclocal is part of the automake package, so updating automake fixes everything related to it |
| 18:36.22 | skel_home | you wouldn't happen to know which package contains cc1plus ? |
| 18:36.40 | skel_home | it says my configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 18:36.52 | skel_home | and I've got cpp installed |
| 18:37.47 | brlcad | that's very wierd |
| 18:39.08 | skel_home | maybe I need a newer cpp |
| 18:39.25 | brlcad | ahh |
| 18:39.39 | brlcad | it's failing on c++ check |
| 18:39.39 | skel_home | nope its installed |
| 18:40.11 | skel_home | so libc++ something |
| 18:40.32 | brlcad | do you have g++ ? |
| 18:40.45 | brlcad | it doesn't need it, but for some reason it's testing it |
| 18:41.10 | skel_home | umm. nope.. I'll install it |
| 18:42.10 | brlcad | can you send me your config.log for the failed run? |
| 18:42.17 | skel_home | sure |
| 18:43.44 | skel_home | I wonder if my firewall is going to mess it up |
| 18:43.44 | skel_home | I haven't ever dcc'd anything before |
| 18:44.17 | skel_home | are you getting the request? |
| 18:44.36 | skel_home | hmm I've got g++ it just looks like its not in my path |
| 18:50.38 | skel_home | ok once I linked g++-3.4 to g++ its gotten further |
| 18:50.48 | skel_home | yup it finished |
| 18:51.45 | skel_home | building now |
| 18:51.58 | skel_home | sorry about that.. I don't know why there wasn't a general g++ link |
| 18:58.05 | skel_home | I'm getting a lot of errors during compiling of if_ogl.c |
| 18:58.20 | skel_home | I'm guessing I'm missing some sort of gl library or x11 maybe |
| 18:59.44 | skel_home | if_ogl.c:65:29: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:59.44 | skel_home | if_ogl.c:66:20: GL/glx.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:59.44 | skel_home | if_ogl.c:67:19: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:01.13 | brlcad | you don't have X11? |
| 19:01.28 | skel_home | I do.. |
| 19:01.37 | brlcad | if you do, you'll need the X11 developer headers |
| 19:01.45 | skel_home | ok I'll get those |
| 19:03.08 | brlcad | mesa-dev or something for the opengl headers |
| 19:05.13 | skel_home | yeah its going further now.. |
| 19:05.24 | brlcad | ahh, the cpp thing is an autoconf bug apparently |
| 19:05.29 | skel_home | /usr/bin/ld: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glapi.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 19:05.32 | skel_home | /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a: could not read symbols: Bad value |
| 19:06.11 | skel_home | brlcad: that would explain it =P |
| 19:06.25 | brlcad | not supposed to check more than C by default |
| 19:06.50 | brlcad | but for some reason it's checking cpp's functionality with C++ |
| 19:07.14 | skel_home | I wonder if I needed something special for x86_64 |
| 19:07.48 | brlcad | try ./configure CFLAGS="-fPIC" |
| 19:08.01 | skel_home | ok |
| 19:08.24 | brlcad | if there are alternatives choices for autoconf and libtool, i'd select them as well |
| 19:08.33 | brlcad | use the most recent version available |
| 19:08.53 | skel_home | ok I'll make sure I've got everything as recent as possible |
| 19:10.26 | skel_home | brlcad: so are you one of the developers? |
| 19:11.00 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:11.58 | skel_home | cool |
| 19:12.03 | skel_home | this program is huge |
| 19:13.35 | brlcad | it's actually several hundred programs |
| 19:14.06 | skel_home | ah |
| 19:15.05 | skel_home | does it do any simulation? like if I made gears on an axis and they weren't correct size can I animate it to see if it will line up? |
| 19:15.38 | brlcad | it can do ariticulations and animation |
| 19:15.38 | skel_home | bummer.. same error |
| 19:15.51 | skel_home | cool =] |
| 19:16.22 | skel_home | I don't have any 32bit libraries.. will this work on a pure 64 system? |
| 19:16.29 | brlcad | yep |
| 19:16.52 | brlcad | it's actively maintained on several pure 64 bit systems |
| 19:16.58 | skel_home | hmm ok |
| 19:17.51 | brlcad | have you tried the x86 64bit binary? |
| 19:18.08 | skel_home | I didn't know there was one |
| 19:18.19 | brlcad | http://ftp.arl.mil/reports/tr-313/ |
| 19:18.30 | skel_home | I'm just getting used to no binaries being available for 64 stuff |
| 19:18.32 | skel_home | =/ |
| 19:18.56 | brlcad | there's binaries posted for irix64, ia64, and amd64 :) |
| 19:19.54 | skel_home | awesome :) |
| 19:19.58 | brlcad | there are others, but only a few binaries are posted right now |
| 19:20.04 | brlcad | those happen to be some of them :) |
| 19:21.12 | skel_home | thats refreshing :-] |
| 19:21.37 | skel_home | since I got an athlon64 I've been finding out all sorts of stuff isn't ready for it yet |
| 19:22.10 | skel_home | ie. openoffice |
| 19:24.24 | brlcad | brl-cad's made to work on everything down to an old vax to a large cray or multi-thousand-node sgi to you common desktop workstation |
| 19:25.07 | brlcad | right now, most of the limitations are only because we recently moved to the gnu build system |
| 19:25.18 | skel_home | ah |
| 19:25.28 | brlcad | which is crap, but it's hopefully easier to maintain than the old build system down the road |
| 19:25.37 | skel_home | =/ |
| 19:25.54 | brlcad | so far it's been mostly a myrid of incompatibilities and bugs |
| 19:26.18 | skel_home | that sucks |
| 19:26.30 | skel_home | whats the general command to start brl ? |
| 19:26.32 | brlcad | it's amazing that it's what everyone uses |
| 19:27.03 | brlcad | it's a royal pain to configure cleanly without vehemently requiring very specific versions of autoconf/automake/libtool |
| 19:27.45 | skel_home | brlcad: its all I'm used to.. =P |
| 19:27.47 | brlcad | tried to keep it very open for now -- but then it results in having to continually work around the bugs in that triad |
| 19:27.50 | skel_home | brlcad: the symlink shuffle |
| 19:28.01 | brlcad | i know.. that's part of why we've moved to it |
| 19:28.57 | brlcad | results in a configure script that's larger than most, a real complex pain to maintain, but people are familiar with it so that's a pluss |
| 19:30.06 | brlcad | most folks that dont' have a specific need tend to learn the modeler first, that's MGED |
| 19:30.10 | skel_home | brlcad: you could just break it down into the core app and make the other apps dependencies =P |
| 19:30.39 | brlcad | skel_home: what do you mean? |
| 19:31.01 | brlcad | that wouldn't fix the autoconf/automake/libtool problems |
| 19:31.32 | brlcad | having been around for a couple decases, brl-cad itself has no trouble compiling on most any system |
| 19:31.45 | skel_home | brlcad: wouldn't it make the config script smaller? |
| 19:32.06 | brlcad | not really |
| 19:32.22 | skel_home | hmm ok |
| 19:32.31 | skel_home | I'm obviously no developer =P |
| 19:32.32 | brlcad | it's just the nature of how autoconf/automake works |
| 19:32.37 | skel_home | aside from a python app here an there |
| 19:32.43 | brlcad | only "solution" would be to not use it |
| 19:32.55 | brlcad | and use something like scons or ant to build |
| 19:34.05 | brlcad | I'd suggest reading document 2 on http://brlcad.org/ if you're just getting started |
| 19:34.13 | brlcad | it's a very detailed tutorial |
| 19:34.45 | skel_home | cool =] |
| 19:34.53 | skel_home | I'll check that out |
| 19:39.51 | brlcad | skel_home: oh, that reminds me.. what did the configure summary say for 64-bit compilation? |
| 19:40.23 | brlcad | or are you going with the binary now? |
| 19:40.58 | brlcad | binaries are on http://sf.net/projects/brlcad/ down near the middle under BRL-CAD on Linux files section |
| 19:47.06 | skel_home | brlcad: I went with the binary :) |
| 19:47.16 | skel_home | brlcad: just not sure what to start first |
| 19:48.17 | brlcad | most of the binaries are contained tools that perform a specific task |
| 19:48.26 | brlcad | like ls or grep in linux |
| 19:48.50 | brlcad | a handful kick off gui apps -- the most commonly used is the modeler, which is called mged |
| 19:49.42 | brlcad | it's got a less than brilliant user interface and is under a rewrite, but it will get the job done and is very flexible |
| 19:50.02 | skel_home | ok I'll play with mged =] get familiar with it |
| 19:50.32 | brlcad | just try to not use it as a metric for the whole package :) |
| 19:51.13 | brlcad | the ray-tracers are fun |
| 19:52.08 | skel_home | do I need to download databases from somewhere? |
| 19:52.32 | brlcad | there are some simple ones in the source checkout in the db/ directory |
| 19:53.03 | brlcad | since you didn't compile, you'll have to convert them from ascii to binary |
| 19:53.37 | skel_home | ok |
| 19:53.48 | brlcad | asc2g db/havoc.asc db/havoc.g |
| 19:55.16 | brlcad | mged db/havoc.g |
| 19:55.20 | skel_home | cool no errors =] |
| 19:55.28 | brlcad | tops |
| 19:55.35 | brlcad | e havoc |
| 19:56.27 | skel_home | this is sweet |
| 20:00.43 | skel_home | I gotta run but I'm going to read that tutorial when I get back :) |
| 20:00.51 | skel_home | brlcad: thanks so much for all your help =] |
| 20:01.54 | brlcad | no problem |
| 20:02.23 | brlcad | feel free to drop me any questions if you run into them |
| 20:31.32 | brlcad | ahh.. damn libtool again |
| 20:31.48 | brlcad | that's what's making the check for c++ |
| 20:31.51 | brlcad | http://www.ethereal.com/lists/ethereal-dev/200311/msg00140.html |
| 20:32.13 | brlcad | my sentiments match: "libtool - it makes me so happy I want to drive a steel spike through my skull to make the pain go away." |
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| 23:52.20 | jano | bork |