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| 02:47.31 | narnia | knock, knock, anyone home? (this is not an auto-return, this is aslan typing from narnia. ) |
| 02:54.26 | polyspin | Just me |
| 02:54.55 | polyspin | Haven't seen "brlcad" respond yet. |
| 03:12.17 | brlcad | hello |
| 03:27.47 | polyspin | Good evening. |
| 03:27.53 | polyspin | I just sent a note off to Joab |
| 03:31.54 | polyspin | So cool to have media coverage. |
| 03:32.37 | polyspin | Have you taken a look at the "doxygen" output I dropped on the website? |
| 03:35.32 | [Prez|Kennedy] | wait... who are you again polyspin?? |
| 03:35.32 | polyspin | Lee |
| 03:36.00 | [Prez|Kennedy] | wheres the media coverage? |
| 03:36.23 | polyspin | We've been contacted by someone from Government Computer News. No publication date yet. |
| 03:37.39 | [Prez|Kennedy] | cool |
| 03:38.44 | polyspin | way cool |
| 03:38.49 | polyspin | bling |
| 03:39.51 | brlcad | briefly looked at it |
| 03:40.04 | brlcad | hozed my browser when I hit librt :) |
| 03:40.32 | polyspin | brlcad: Yes, that's one MOBY web page. |
| 03:40.57 | brlcad | i put up a cgi:irc over the weekend |
| 03:41.10 | brlcad | irc.brlcad.org |
| 03:41.35 | brlcad | it's a start |
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| 03:42.32 | polyspin | nice. Works reasonably in mozilla |
| 03:42.52 | cad349 | nobody listens to that polyspin dufus do they? |
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| 03:43.35 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:44.07 | obligatory_test | i dont keep the people interested enough in my channel |
| 03:44.12 | obligatory_test | should close up shop |
| 03:44.27 | obligatory_test | talking to myself gets boring there... |
| 03:44.44 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:44.49 | obligatory_test | the only time people go there is when they want something :-\ |
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| 03:47.16 | polyspin | too bad. from the freshmeat article it looks like a cool package. |
| 03:54.46 | [Prez|Kennedy] | gotta check out the free webhosts once in awhile |
| 03:58.01 | brlcad | woo hoo! .. got it working |
| 03:58.33 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: offer still stands should you change your mind |
| 03:59.22 | PrezKennedy | i just look in case i need to store crap somewhere :-) |
| 03:59.45 | brlcad | 1% usage |
| 04:00.29 | PrezKennedy | cant leave my current home... |
| 04:00.40 | PrezKennedy | might do something else on .bz if its ok though |
| 04:01.14 | brlcad | polyspin: it'd take video feeds or a lot more graphics |
| 04:02.04 | brlcad | jpgraph is cool :) |
| 04:02.10 | polyspin | wanna host the MacMod videos? |
| 04:02.57 | brlcad | I was thinking maybe freebsd mirror |
| 04:03.18 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, id like to do a wiki project..... |
| 04:03.27 | polyspin | that's pretty low bandwidth. |
| 04:03.47 | brlcad | looked into helping out wikipedia as a cache node |
| 04:04.35 | brlcad | but they're presently shoveling almost 100Mbit/s in the US out of FL alone |
| 04:05.05 | brlcad | which explains why there performance is crap |
| 04:06.23 | PrezKennedy | its funny... whenever i read an article featured on their homepage i find something like "shit" or "fuck you" injected in the middle of a random paragraph |
| 04:08.50 | polyspin | Hmm. the page on BRL-CAD is a little off. Mike started it in 1979. |
| 04:09.31 | polyspin | I'll have to check that. |
| 04:09.37 | brlcad | I added that |
| 04:09.45 | brlcad | was referring to code commits |
| 04:09.57 | polyspin | Got it. |
| 04:10.19 | polyspin | I think Earl Weaver made the challenge to Mike in '79. I'll have to ask Earl. |
| 04:10.32 | polyspin | That was the start of "vged" |
| 04:17.23 | polyspin | 'nite all! |
| 04:17.30 | PrezKennedy | good night! |
| 04:23.03 | brlcad | wow, wasn't even close to thinking about sleep |
| 04:23.16 | PrezKennedy | hey that logging turned out to be useful! |
| 04:23.32 | PrezKennedy | awww man pick me up i have coupons! |
| 04:23.33 | brlcad | which logging? |
| 04:23.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:23.58 | brlcad | you mean .bz's? |
| 04:24.00 | PrezKennedy | the logging you warn about in the greeting |
| 04:24.03 | PrezKennedy | yeah |
| 04:24.37 | brlcad | I've had to use it a couple times to recall something I did |
| 04:24.46 | PrezKennedy | yeah thats what im doing |
| 04:24.59 | brlcad | only problem is the logs live in /var which doesn't have much disk space |
| 04:25.06 | jano | eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 04:25.08 | jano | McD's |
| 04:25.10 | jano | yuck |
| 04:25.11 | jano | :P |
| 04:25.16 | brlcad | i've filled up /var twice already |
| 04:25.35 | brlcad | need to link /var/log to /usr/var/log or something |
| 04:25.39 | jano | McD's will fill more than /var |
| 04:25.56 | jano | try /tmp and /dev/hdc[0-9] |
| 04:26.02 | jano | :D |
| 04:26.05 | brlcad | normally wouldn't have a mc'd craving, but I really do crave some fries for some reason |
| 04:26.10 | PrezKennedy | well it all goes into /dev/null anyways |
| 04:26.17 | brlcad | usually happens like once every 4 months :) |
| 04:26.22 | jano | I'm sure you've heard the news about jason, eh? |
| 04:26.32 | brlcad | yep :) |
| 04:26.35 | brlcad | crazy |
| 04:26.36 | jano | :) |
| 04:26.55 | PrezKennedy | time to upload me some stuff and waste some space |
| 04:27.03 | brlcad | yay |
| 04:28.08 | jano | yeah |
| 04:28.13 | jano | backups would be good |
| 04:28.16 | jano | i need a place for phole |
| 04:28.20 | brlcad | makes me nervous |
| 04:28.33 | jano | our electricity bill is running through the roof |
| 04:28.48 | brlcad | my box here actually rsyncs it, but it's not as ideal as I'd like |
| 04:29.05 | jano | doesn't your service provider do backups? |
| 04:29.30 | brlcad | if I purchase it |
| 04:30.06 | jano | ah |
| 04:30.13 | brlcad | mildly reasonable .. could do all of the existing data for a mere $10/month |
| 04:30.35 | jano | *shrug* |
| 04:30.42 | jano | how often they do backups? |
| 04:30.49 | jano | dialy, weekly, monthly? |
| 04:30.54 | brlcad | it'd be daily |
| 04:30.59 | jano | very nice |
| 04:31.22 | brlcad | the thing is I can have that all rsync to other systems here too |
| 04:31.40 | jano | oo |
| 04:31.45 | jano | rsync has some cool features |
| 04:31.52 | jano | i like the rolling backups with hard links |
| 04:31.59 | jano | that's some funky schtuff |
| 04:32.19 | jano | I got a heart rate monitor watch today :D |
| 04:32.40 | jano | so cool.. it like tells me if I'm working out too hard or not enough |
| 04:32.45 | brlcad | I have it set up now so that it'll do a bidirectional sync of directories I specify |
| 04:32.48 | jano | i feel like I've already lost two pounds |
| 04:32.50 | brlcad | only a couple dirs in there |
| 04:33.04 | brlcad | ahh, I love my heart rate monitor |
| 04:33.07 | brlcad | which one did you get? |
| 04:33.27 | jano | polar a5.. I originally bought the s120 for triathlon stuff, but it didn't have a backlight |
| 04:33.39 | jano | the next one up was too expensive |
| 04:33.47 | jano | which do you have? |
| 04:35.16 | brlcad | polar s150 |
| 04:35.30 | jano | ah |
| 04:35.37 | jano | yeah.. too expensive :) |
| 04:35.54 | brlcad | got a great deal :) |
| 04:35.57 | jano | lucky you! |
| 04:36.05 | brlcad | and it's the base one geared for cylists |
| 04:36.09 | brlcad | er, cyclists |
| 04:36.19 | jano | the s series is for triathlon, no? |
| 04:36.25 | jano | biking, swimming, running |
| 04:36.26 | brlcad | still haven't programmed it for my wheel size or anything |
| 04:36.35 | jano | i'm not allowed to bike :( |
| 04:36.43 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:36.52 | brlcad | yet you surf |
| 04:37.05 | jano | can't go surfing yet because of the sun :( |
| 04:37.13 | jano | this year started so good |
| 04:38.01 | brlcad | http://www.polar.fi/polar/channels/eng/segments/Cycling/S150.html |
| 04:38.41 | brlcad | i've worn it all day a couple times |
| 04:39.01 | jano | http://www.polarusa.com/comparison/triathlon.html |
| 04:39.25 | brlcad | seem to have a heart rate slightly higher than most |
| 04:39.35 | PrezKennedy | whats the address again? |
| 04:39.37 | jano | yeah, i remember we talked about that |
| 04:39.41 | PrezKennedy | to get to public_html from the web? |
| 04:40.27 | jano | you know what really ticked me off about polar? |
| 04:40.34 | brlcad | yeah, I remember that chart |
| 04:40.38 | brlcad | the others are way to expensive |
| 04:40.41 | jano | their low-end models don't have a frickin' light |
| 04:40.50 | jano | i like to go workout before dawn or after dark |
| 04:40.51 | brlcad | though I would have liked the wireless bike sensor |
| 04:41.02 | PrezKennedy | was it ~prezkennedy? |
| 04:41.18 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:41.26 | PrezKennedy | bzflag.bz/~prezkennedy? |
| 04:41.27 | brlcad | er no |
| 04:41.34 | brlcad | ~username |
| 04:41.46 | jano | http://www.polarusa.com/consumer/walking/model/A5.asp <-- what I've got |
| 04:41.48 | PrezKennedy | thats right |
| 04:43.12 | brlcad | damn, I wanna go workout now |
| 04:43.23 | brlcad | AND go to Mc |
| 04:43.25 | brlcad | D's |
| 04:43.41 | jano | hahah |
| 04:44.11 | jano | eewww |
| 04:44.12 | brlcad | hmm.. noticed last week that the one in abingdon is open 24-7 now |
| 04:44.18 | brlcad | taco bell would work too |
| 04:44.21 | jano | yucky poo |
| 04:44.25 | PrezKennedy | theyre definitely open |
| 04:44.27 | brlcad | must be a salt craving |
| 04:44.28 | jano | del taco better |
| 04:44.30 | jano | :P |
| 04:44.39 | jano | del taco has really good hamburgers |
| 04:44.42 | jano | :D |
| 04:45.13 | jano | just have some pringles |
| 04:45.19 | jano | mmm |
| 04:48.00 | brlcad | i have crab chips in my car.. |
| 04:48.16 | brlcad | but the thought of those fries is driving me nuts |
| 04:48.16 | PrezKennedy | so many shell accounts... |
| 04:48.21 | brlcad | fries and some tacos |
| 04:49.20 | jano | dude |
| 04:49.30 | jano | I've had this aweful craving for blue crabs |
| 04:50.35 | jano | i'm thinking about making a trip out there, this time in season |
| 04:50.40 | jano | what do you think? |
| 04:52.00 | PrezKennedy | yay i finally figured it out! |
| 04:53.40 | brlcad | mm.. crabs |
| 04:53.51 | jano | hmm |
| 04:53.54 | brlcad | you'd see nettie all huge |
| 04:53.58 | jano | yeah |
| 04:54.04 | jano | that'd be worth it :D |
| 04:54.05 | jano | but |
| 04:54.12 | jano | i don't want to get in the way |
| 04:54.14 | jano | dangit |
| 04:54.32 | jano | i was gonna say wait until next year |
| 04:54.41 | jano | but.. then they're actually going to have a child in the house |
| 04:54.49 | jano | maybe I just stay in a hotel |
| 04:56.19 | PrezKennedy | wow that fast... |
| 04:56.47 | narnia | brlcad, hello, how goes it? i am coming to the conclusion that opencascade is not being maintained. i found two glaring errors in two of the source files that anyone should have been able to catch. |
| 04:57.12 | narnia | brlcad, have you ever heard of 'names'? |
| 04:58.09 | jano | bingo was his namo |
| 05:00.19 | narnia | brlcad, http://www.modelengineeringsoc.com/Expo/expo16.html |
| 05:01.06 | narnia | names == North American Model Engineering Society |
| 05:01.49 | narnia | brlcad, the expo is where the guys from nists, fred proctor and others, show off enhanced machine controller. |
| 05:02.15 | narnia | brlcad, it would also be a place to show off brl-cad. hint hint. |
| 05:02.28 | brlcad | ahh |
| 05:03.41 | brlcad | I follow the Solid Modeling assocation and a couple of the guys have presented papers there before, never heard of NAMES, though |
| 05:03.46 | narnia | i have not been able to attend in years. not being able to drive sort of prevents my attending. :-( |
| 05:04.04 | brlcad | ahh, not a conference.. just an expo? 8 bucks, wow. |
| 05:04.57 | narnia | brlcad, all the model egineer geeks get together. sort of a 'dog and pony' show. |
| 05:06.15 | narnia | you know what dod contractors are like . they but on a good 'dog and pony' show. or the 'cadillac' the prototype to show that they are able to build the item. |
| 05:07.02 | narnia | well this is were the model engineer geeks put on their 'dog and pony' show. |
| 05:36.46 | narnia | brlcad, just now finished compiling opencascade. the one sample app which will load a step file actually works. it is loading a step file for a yanmar diesel engine. step file 40+mbytes. good test to see if opencascade tanks or not. ;-) |
| 05:42.07 | narnia | knock, knock, anyone home? (this is not an auto-return, this is aslan typing from narnia. ) |
| 05:46.02 | brlcad | ahh, so it worked |
| 05:46.13 | brlcad | ? |
| 05:47.41 | narnia | brlcad, ????? |
| 05:49.23 | narnia | brlcad, the sample app is still loading the step file. last attempt took 2+hrs to load the 40+mbyte step file. this is on a 1.4ghz amd anthlon with 1gbyte of ram. |
| 05:49.31 | brlcad | the step import/export worked? |
| 05:49.43 | brlcad | good grief |
| 05:49.49 | brlcad | that's horrible |
| 05:51.44 | narnia | brlcad, well last attempted blew its brains out. ( seg fault ) i think i fix the code. i am not a c++ programmer. i am a c programmer. |
| 05:52.17 | narnia | imho c++ just leads to bloatware. |
| 05:52.31 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:52.53 | brlcad | well brl-cad is one large and fairly well tuned c code :) |
| 05:53.35 | brlcad | only bloat is probably in mged, and that's just because of tcl |
| 05:53.36 | narnia | brlcad, brl-cad is near bulletproof. |
| 05:54.33 | *** mode/#brlcad [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 05:55.07 | brlcad | c++ has it's uses if done well |
| 05:55.19 | brlcad | it's just so easy to use it poorly |
| 05:55.26 | narnia | yes, which is extremely rare. |
| 05:58.34 | narnia | still loading. |
| 05:59.28 | brlcad | what license is opencascade under? |
| 06:06.45 | narnia | brlcad, you would have to read it. it is a rather odd opensource public license. |
| 06:07.28 | narnia | i doubt is is compatible with gnu gpl. |
| 06:07.34 | PrezKennedy | grrr these tikiwiki people are killing me |
| 06:08.40 | PrezKennedy | can it reach france? |
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| 06:15.48 | brlcad | ls -la |
| 06:15.49 | narnia | brlcad, well it finally loaded the step file and is displaying a wireframe of it. one minor program the diesel is resting on its fan blade. coordinate system must be hosed. |
| 06:15.52 | narnia | :-( |
| 06:16.09 | brlcad | ahh, fun |
| 06:16.20 | brlcad | that's easy to fix though |
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| 06:16.53 | brlcad | though if they're not open source, it's not much use either |
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| 06:17.58 | brlcad | cept as a secondary conversion app |
| 06:18.08 | narnia | i asked fred proctor at nist if he had a copy of the various iso step standards that i could borrow. i have not heard back from fred. |
| 06:20.58 | brlcad | if they're as cheap as you mentioned to get a copy, that would be easy enough |
| 06:21.36 | brlcad | it's just a matter of whether electronic copies are possible |
| 06:21.47 | narnia | brlcad, yes. |
| 06:22.00 | narnia | brlcad, pdf |
| 06:22.13 | brlcad | hrm.. that implies.. |
| 06:22.40 | narnia | checkout www.ansi.org then find the webstore. |
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| 06:59.34 | narnia | brlcad, which two axis are probably swapped? any idea? |
| 07:01.40 | narnia | brlcad, more general question. in brl-cad x-axis is left-to-right, y-axis is front-to-back, z-axis is top-to-bottom. postive x-axis is which direction? positive y-axis is which direction? positive z-axis is which direction? |
| 07:07.54 | learner | it's a "standard" right-hand coordinate system in brl-cad |
| 07:08.14 | learner | images are first quadrant, which might take a while to get used to |
| 07:10.33 | learner | so in rh, positive z is the cross-prod. of x to y axes |
| 07:11.33 | learner | i.e. if you look at a top-down view, you are looking from positive to negative Z and standard 2d image quadrants apply (1st quadrand is positive x,y) |
| 07:12.35 | learner | 2 | 1 |
| 07:12.40 | learner | ----- |
| 07:12.44 | learner | 3 | 4 |
| 07:20.10 | narnia | learner, okay got it. |
| 07:21.35 | narnia | learner, i will run mged later today and figure it out. |
| 07:27.10 | learner | more specific to your example: pos x would be on the left, positive y is in front, positive z is up top |
| 07:32.45 | learner | http://db.bzflag.bz/tmp/coordinates.jpg |
| 07:33.18 | learner | ack, ip change |
| 07:34.08 | learner | http://ftp.brlcad.org/coordinates.jpg |
| 07:47.38 | narnia | learner, that does not tell me anything about the relationship of the axis to the screen. is x-axis left to right or front-to-back? is y-axis left to right or front-to-back? |
| 07:48.37 | narnia | learner, in either case x/y axis positive axis is into the screen. |
| 07:48.58 | learner | huh? you can view it from any one of those axes |
| 07:50.14 | learner | i.e. if you're looking down the Z axis, you're looking at +x on the right, -x on the left, y axis would be top-bottom |
| 07:51.27 | narnia | yes that is true. but there is a 'world' view of the object. in cam/cnc/edm the z-axis is always top-to-bottom. the y-axis is normally the longer of the two axis x and y. the x-axis is the shorter of the two axis x and y. |
| 07:52.24 | learner | ahh, you mean what is brl-cad's up vector |
| 07:52.37 | narnia | yes |
| 07:53.02 | learner | completely depends on the model :) |
| 07:53.13 | learner | some are modeled with +z as up, some with +y |
| 07:55.31 | learner | mged itself treats +z as up |
| 07:57.26 | learner | so if you ask for a top view, it's a top-down view where you're looking down the Z axis from +z |
| 07:58.40 | narnia | yes, than positve y-axis is into the screen and positive x-axis is to the right and positive z-axis is up/sky/top |
| 08:00.44 | learner | not quite |
| 08:00.53 | learner | positive y is out of the screen |
| 08:01.30 | narnia | not according to the diagram you had earlier. |
| 08:02.00 | learner | eh? .. it's almost showing you that already |
| 08:02.07 | learner | +y is coming towards you.. out of the screen |
| 08:02.17 | learner | +x is to the left, -x to the right |
| 08:02.21 | learner | +z up |
| 09:53.52 | [Prez|Kennedy] | movin to the new fileserver soon... gonna be faaaaaaast |
| 10:23.32 | brlcad | movin to the old bed soon... gonna be sleeeping |
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| 13:22.27 | tjyang2001 | where is the brlcad binaries for win32 ? |
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| 23:03.13 | brlcad | ahh, a modeler |
| 23:05.45 | Griz_nite | lol |
| 23:05.49 | Griz_nite | hey there ;) |
| 23:05.57 | Griz_nite | I'm thrilled |
| 23:06.22 | Griz_nite | for ages and ages I'm using linux for everything else, but until recently I didn't find a CAD software that would do... |
| 23:06.33 | Griz_nite | except for architectural stuff where cycas is quite good... |
| 23:06.43 | Griz_nite | now be sure I'll try brlcad soon... |
| 23:06.52 | Griz_nite | but for tonite it's getting late, and I'm off |
| 23:06.58 | Griz_nite | goodnite :) |
