| 00:04.39 | brlcad | ar cru .libs/libpng.a example.o ... pngwtran.o pngwutil.o~ranlib .libs/libpng.a for example |
| 00:05.03 | brlcad | ~ww |
| 00:05.07 | ibot | There is no such thing as the wrong window, just wrong people |
| 00:30.49 | jano | ergh |
| 00:30.54 | jano | i want to go take more pictures. |
| 00:30.56 | jano | :D |
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| 03:50.27 | starseeker | brlcad - did full build of current cvs - no luck :-( |
| 03:51.40 | starseeker | talk about an annoying problem |
| 04:09.13 | brlcad | starseeker: looking at that now |
| 04:09.19 | brlcad | looks like a different issue that the others |
| 05:52.07 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/acinclude.m4: update libtool.m4 source to 1.5.10's. apply s/~$RANLIB/ ; $RANLIB/ fix so that libtool 1.5 on os x doesn't choke on the ~ |
| 07:20.52 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/autogen.sh: fix encounters with version numbers that don't have a patch number (e.g. libtool 1.5), also fix version checks to actually stop checking minor/patch numbers if our major/minor are greater than required. |
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| 15:29.23 | brlcad | starseeker: made some changes that hopefully fix the sandbox problem.. |
| 15:30.40 | brlcad | starseeker: a cvs status on configure.ac should show 14.24 when you are up to date |
| 15:37.06 | Nidhoggr | I couldn't find my dev cd last night. you'd think if you could download xcode online, you could download the x11 sdk. |
| 15:45.19 | brlcad | oof |
| 15:45.29 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: looking now, i've got that disc here |
| 15:45.37 | Nidhoggr | cool, thanks. |
| 15:49.50 | Nidhoggr | no wonder brlcad is so pokey. |
| 15:49.57 | Nidhoggr | he keeps getting poked. |
| 15:50.02 | jano | everyone poke! |
| 15:50.15 | jano | awee |
| 15:50.29 | Nidhoggr | eek! |
| 15:52.44 | brlcad | ~poke jano |
| 15:52.46 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, brlcad? |
| 15:54.35 | jano | that's right |
| 15:59.11 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: uploaded to secretplace in my home as X11SDK.pkg.tar.gz |
| 15:59.43 | Nidhoggr | thank you very much, brlcad !!! |
| 16:01.33 | brlcad | heh, thank me when it compiles |
| 16:01.46 | brlcad | damn me before then |
| 16:01.54 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:30.12 | Nidhoggr | brlcad: any estimate how long to compile on 1.3 ghz powerbook g4 with 1 gb ram? |
| 16:30.25 | Nidhoggr | it's doing pretty good so far. |
| 16:36.14 | brlcad | half hour or so would be my guess |
| 16:36.20 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 16:41.42 | Nidhoggr | make completes, but make install errors. :) |
| 16:41.53 | brlcad | ahh, yes.. cvs up ;) |
| 16:42.09 | brlcad | dang.. forgot to mention that.. *blush* |
| 16:42.09 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I'm using the tarball you sent. |
| 16:42.12 | Nidhoggr | hang on. |
| 16:42.31 | brlcad | ahh, yes .. same problem on the tarball |
| 16:42.48 | Nidhoggr | can I just fix the ~ranlib thing? |
| 16:43.24 | brlcad | yes |
| 16:43.32 | Nidhoggr | it's doing ~ranlib instead of ; ranlib |
| 16:43.57 | brlcad | replace all "~" in acinclude.m4 with " ; " |
| 16:45.06 | brlcad | perl -pi -e "s/~/ ; /" acinclude.m4 |
| 16:46.01 | brlcad | er, oop s/~/ ; /g |
| 16:49.37 | Nidhoggr | do I need to do "make" again, etc? or will it work with just make install? |
| 16:52.53 | brlcad | might as well make; make install |
| 16:52.56 | brlcad | just don't make clean ;) |
| 16:57.12 | Nidhoggr | something wacked out and I biffed dir and untarred again. re-running perl command, etc. |
| 17:39.54 | Nidhoggr | wow. make install takes almost as long as make. :) |
| 17:43.59 | brlcad | yep |
| 17:44.19 | brlcad | gets fun when I compile on the altix and it takes only 2 minutes to compile |
| 17:44.42 | Nidhoggr | now how do I check out what it can do? :) |
| 17:44.43 | brlcad | yet make install takes like 5 minutes .. make clean takes seemingly forever too |
| 17:44.57 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:45.08 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org Documents section .. the overview and then intro to mged are good places to start |
| 17:45.27 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
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| 17:59.51 | brlcad | hello Pimpinulla |
| 18:00.03 | Pimpinulla | hey |
| 18:00.19 | Pimpinulla | what was brl-cad's license before? |
| 18:01.34 | Pimpinulla | looks interesting, never heard of it before |
| 18:01.42 | brlcad | it's actually always been fairly open |
| 18:02.05 | brlcad | you could get the sourcecode or binaries and make your own modifications |
| 18:02.10 | brlcad | very gplesque |
| 18:02.33 | brlcad | but .. you had to fill out an agreement form, fax/mail it back in and wait for a license "key" |
| 18:02.39 | Pimpinulla | i always wondered about the origin of your nick ;) |
| 18:02.51 | Pimpinulla | ic |
| 18:02.55 | brlcad | that "key" was a decryption key that allowed you to decrypt and install |
| 18:03.12 | brlcad | and the filing paperwork usually took a week or two |
| 18:03.24 | Nidhoggr | just ran the bench stuff. kinda fun. |
| 18:03.27 | brlcad | international requests had to go through security screenings, etc |
| 18:03.29 | Pimpinulla | is it your project? |
| 18:03.52 | brlcad | i'm one of the maintainers now |
| 18:03.52 | Pimpinulla | oh, some kind of military? |
| 18:04.13 | brlcad | but I didn't start it -- the package has been around for over 20 years |
| 18:04.21 | brlcad | written by Mike Muuss originally |
| 18:05.03 | Pimpinulla | looks like i have to give it a try :) |
| 18:05.05 | brlcad | he's the guy that wrote "ping" |
| 18:05.25 | Pimpinulla | oh...well... |
| 18:05.28 | brlcad | as well as ttcp and several aspects of the original tcp stack and bsd internals |
| 18:06.09 | Pimpinulla | a real pioneer |
| 18:06.49 | brlcad | he was a brilliant man |
| 18:07.11 | Pimpinulla | was... |
| 18:07.15 | Pimpinulla | ic |
| 18:07.16 | brlcad | a real honor to work with .. had a passion for just about everything he did, very smart |
| 18:07.33 | brlcad | yeah, he died in an accident several years ago |
| 18:07.55 | Pimpinulla | and you worked with him? |
| 18:08.39 | Pimpinulla | you're not that old yourself, no? not 30 yet iirc? |
| 18:09.12 | brlcad | i worked with him for about a year |
| 18:09.37 | brlcad | he was the reason I came to work here .. wanted to be his "apprentice" of sorts |
| 18:10.10 | Pimpinella | where do you work? |
| 18:10.11 | brlcad | as he was one of the few people on the planet that I'd actually call a wizard |
| 18:11.37 | Pimpinella | there're never enough ppl of that sore |
| 18:11.41 | Pimpinella | there're never enough ppl of that sort |
| 18:14.41 | Pimpinella | later |
| 18:16.36 | brlcad | cya |
| 18:31.29 | jano | hmm |
| 22:06.16 | starseeker | preparing to do new ebuild test now... |
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| 22:20.58 | starseeker | and heeeere we go! |
| 22:47.30 | brlcad | weeee.. ;) |
| 22:47.54 | starseeker | stilllll building - nothing outlasts the brlcad build! |
| 22:49.30 | brlcad | parallel builds are fun ;) |
| 22:50.00 | brlcad | a 12 node altix is the fastest I've seen to date |
| 22:50.35 | brlcad | compiled in almost exactly 2 minutes with default options |
| 22:50.43 | brlcad | took longer to install or do a make clean |
| 22:52.09 | brlcad | altix isn't a cluster, it's smp |
| 22:52.11 | starseeker | build st-build complete ;-) |
| 22:52.24 | brlcad | soo. it worked?! |
| 22:52.35 | starseeker | no no, simulating a build on an altix ;-) |
| 22:52.45 | brlcad | ahh heh |
| 22:52.51 | starseeker | my machine's a wimp by modern standards - probably another 10 minutes or so yet |
| 22:53.41 | brlcad | autogen.sh takes over two minutes on my fast home machine |
| 22:53.53 | starseeker | I believe it. |
| 22:54.37 | starseeker | I need to check out a new AMD64+1Gig ram+2 Raptor hard drives |
| 22:55.03 | starseeker | when I get money, of course |
| 22:55.35 | starseeker | BRL-CAD Release 7.0.4, Build 20050126 |
| 22:55.35 | starseeker | Elapsed compilation time: 29 minutes, 52 seconds |
| 22:55.35 | starseeker | Elapsed time since configuration: 31 minutes, 17 seconds |
| 22:55.41 | starseeker | now the moment of truth... |
| 22:57.45 | starseeker | Did you see the announcements? OpenSolaris is coming, and EROS is now Coyotos |
| 22:57.52 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:58.26 | brlcad | most isn't |
| 22:58.44 | brlcad | we were _very_ close to going with a different OSI-approved license |
| 22:58.51 | brlcad | that would have been non-gpl compatible |
| 22:59.07 | starseeker | True, but can you imagine a Solaris with the strength of the Linux kernel integrated into it? It would change the face of computing |
| 22:59.16 | starseeker | brlcad: Can't say I blame you |
| 22:59.34 | brlcad | I talked with the gnu legal aids for several weeks trying to figure out what it would take to make it compatible |
| 22:59.46 | starseeker | heh - bet that was fun |
| 22:59.53 | brlcad | not really |
| 23:00.13 | starseeker | Tim Daly got so sick of licensing issues during the Axiom discussions |
| 23:00.31 | starseeker | and some of the most annoying threads in Maxima history were about our little export laws notice |
| 23:00.50 | starseeker | The problem is, it IS that important. Lawyers rule the world :-( |
| 23:00.57 | brlcad | especially their position that was being taken.. very much "if it's not gnu, it shouldn't be used" regardless of the fact that at the time we could NOT use the gpl |
| 23:01.24 | brlcad | the gpl is going nowhere in government because it's a license that's based on copyright law |
| 23:01.39 | starseeker | Yes, they basically piss off everyone who isn't one of the faithful |
| 23:01.45 | brlcad | the government cannot claim copyright on their works, they can only be assigned copyright |
| 23:01.57 | starseeker | Oh, good point. |
| 23:02.16 | starseeker | But if they can't claim copyright, doesn't that make them public domain? |
| 23:02.27 | starseeker | except where export restrictions come into play? |
| 23:02.30 | brlcad | not in the least |
| 23:02.45 | starseeker | weird |
| 23:03.04 | brlcad | they can still be confidential, unreleaseable, limited distribution, or under contract |
| 23:03.20 | brlcad | take brl-cad's old agreement for example |
| 23:03.28 | brlcad | it was technically a contractual agreement |
| 23:03.35 | starseeker | Hmm. Good point |
| 23:03.45 | brlcad | the osi-approved NOSA is a contractual agreement |
| 23:04.00 | brlcad | it's the first osi-approved license that is based on contract law instead of copyright law |
| 23:04.23 | starseeker | Ah. But I suppose that fact itself makes it GPL incompatible? |
| 23:04.30 | brlcad | which is exactly why NASA made it.. they couldn't use the gnu licenses without extreme difficulty and in some cases impossibilities |
| 23:05.02 | brlcad | no it doesn't .. the incompatibility has to do with subtleties in the redistribution requirements |
| 23:05.11 | starseeker | ah |
| 23:05.32 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:05.34 | starseeker | no wonder you didn't like talking to GNU - they're the DEFINITION of anal retentive when it comes to stuff like that |
| 23:05.43 | starseeker | SUCCESS - NO SANDBOX ERRORS!!!! |
| 23:05.52 | brlcad | WOOT! |
| 23:05.56 | brlcad | ~starseeker++ |
| 23:06.23 | brlcad | excellent.. then i'll post up a 7.0.4-2 tonight |
| 23:07.29 | brlcad | i didn't mind talking to gnu folks.. but they weren't very helpful in our situation |
| 23:08.02 | starseeker | I which they'd get used to that situation - there are many incredible tools that the government could relase if it were so inclined |
| 23:08.23 | starseeker | mged starts up - what's a good test to run to make sure this sucker's working? |
| 23:08.39 | brlcad | heh, if mged started, that's a pretty big test |
| 23:09.15 | starseeker | Will I need to leave the running of autogen.sh in the ebuild, or will the tarball be ready for configure? |
| 23:09.15 | brlcad | mm.. can try to open one of the .g files in db/ |
| 23:09.19 | brlcad | and raytrace it |
| 23:09.32 | brlcad | the tarball will be ready for configure |
| 23:10.01 | starseeker | let's see where the db dir went... |
| 23:10.35 | starseeker | hmm - not installed apparently |
| 23:10.44 | starseeker | no matter - where's that cvs dir? |
| 23:11.47 | starseeker | I don't see any .g files in db/ are they generated in the build? |
| 23:13.06 | brlcad | db is not installed |
| 23:13.29 | brlcad | the .g's are made during make |
| 23:14.00 | brlcad | if not, you can "asc2g havoc.asc havoc.g" |
| 23:14.09 | brlcad | that will convert it |
| 23:14.17 | brlcad | moss.asc is nice and simple |
| 23:14.31 | brlcad | havoc is mildly detailed enough to be interesting |
| 23:15.06 | starseeker | ok, here we go... |
| 23:15.59 | starseeker | it opened - a helicopter? |
| 23:16.06 | starseeker | how do I raytrace? |
| 23:16.49 | starseeker | hmm |
| 23:17.09 | starseeker | brlcad: should there be a picture by default in the Graphics Window when I open this file? |
| 23:18.15 | brlcad | nope |
| 23:19.03 | starseeker | Well, I got something that looks like a helicopter - how do I tell it to raytrace? |
| 23:19.32 | starseeker | Oh, nevermind |
| 23:20.03 | starseeker | somehow, by accident, I got something. But when I clicked the dismiss button on the raytracer before the render was done, things froze |
| 23:22.12 | brlcad | there's a raytrace control panel |
| 23:22.16 | starseeker | otherwise, it's WORKING!!! WOOT! |
| 23:22.17 | brlcad | on file, iirc |
| 23:22.23 | starseeker | found it :) |
| 23:22.29 | brlcad | yeah, it's working ;) excellent |
| 23:22.48 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. I changed a drawing, and re-ran raytrace, and it locked up the process. :) |
| 23:23.01 | tjyang | brlcad, is your solaris box back online ? |
| 23:24.06 | brlcad | tjyang: it was a hardware failure .. it'll be a while |
| 23:24.11 | starseeker | brlcad - what are you going to call the tarball? |
| 23:24.24 | starseeker | brlcad-7.0.4-r2.tar.bz2? |
| 23:24.36 | jano | let's call it hubert |
| 23:24.39 | starseeker | brlcad-7.0.4-2.tar.bz2? |
| 23:24.44 | jano | hubert.tarball |
| 23:24.45 | jano | :) |
| 23:24.54 | starseeker | Nah, I'd cut it down to bert |
| 23:25.06 | starseeker | bert the cad |
| 23:25.22 | brlcad | tjyang: pastebin the sys_errlist error, and I can try a fix here in the meantime |
| 23:25.42 | brlcad | with a coupling cam package called ernie |
| 23:26.23 | tjyang | brlcad, I will try to find ther error message. |
| 23:26.56 | brlcad | starseeker: not sure.. good question |
| 23:29.31 | brlcad | starseeker: probably the latter brlcad-7.0.4-2.tar.bz2 |
| 23:30.19 | brlcad | although sf stats are down |
| 23:30.23 | brlcad | so might just replace existing |
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| 23:35.24 | tjyang | brlcad, I have the error message when compiling into.c on solaris using gcc. what should I do now ? can post a few lines here ? |
| 23:36.04 | starseeker | brlcad - if you can do that, it would be easiest |
| 23:36.42 | starseeker | althought I told the gentoo bug it would be revision two, so if you change the 7.0.4 tarball out let me know and I'll fix it |
| 23:43.13 | tjyang | brlcad, while waiting your response, I googled around with the error message and found this link "http://www.radiance-online.org/pipermail/radiance-general/2002-June/000283.html" |
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| 23:50.42 | tjyang | brlcad, do you still need the error message from into.c ? |
| 23:55.52 | tjyang | into.c compiled fine on rh linux but in rh linux /usr/include/bit/sys_errlist.h it says "/* sys_errlist and sys_nerr are deprecated. Use strerror instead. */" |
| 23:58.31 | brlcad | being deprecated is fine.. that's a warning |
| 23:58.41 | brlcad | you saw an actual error, though? |
| 23:59.14 | tjyang | yes, I still have the log |