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| 01:49.34 | dssl | Anyone fixed the 'make install' problem on OS X? |
| 01:58.16 | dssl | Anyone fixed the 'make install' problem on OS X? |
| 02:44.10 | brlcad | dssl: yes |
| 02:45.13 | brlcad | dssl: there will be a new source download perhaps as early as this weekend, as well as a mac binary install available |
| 02:45.29 | dssl | from the sf site? |
| 02:48.00 | dssl | a binary will be great.... |
| 02:49.13 | brlcad | dssl: yes, it will be posted to the sf site |
| 02:49.32 | brlcad | if you'd like immediate notification, feel free to subscribe to the brlcad-news mailing list |
| 02:49.44 | brlcad | a notice will be posted once it's available |
| 02:51.19 | jano | bork |
| 02:52.39 | brlcad | heya |
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| 02:57.52 | dssl | I get: |
| 02:57.52 | dssl | Making install in include make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. /opt/brlcad70/include/brlcad make[2]: /opt/brlcad70/include/brlcad: Command not found make[2]: *** [install-brlcadincludeHEADERS] Error 127 make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2 make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 |
| 02:58.01 | dssl | during make install |
| 02:58.08 | dssl | is there a simple fix? |
| 02:59.01 | brlcad | have you checked out the sources from CVS or are you using the source tarball? |
| 02:59.31 | dssl | I got the source from source forge (not cvs).... |
| 03:00.30 | brlcad | how did you try to compile? |
| 03:00.41 | brlcad | ./configure && make && make install, I assume? |
| 03:01.16 | dssl | I followed the direction on the scitech list... |
| 03:01.33 | brlcad | hrm |
| 03:01.33 | dssl | with an ./autoconfig in there |
| 03:01.39 | brlcad | ./autogen.sh you mean |
| 03:01.47 | dssl | yea... |
| 03:02.08 | brlcad | hrm. I suggest you try CVS then.. a few fixes are already in place |
| 03:02.19 | dssl | okay... |
| 03:02.24 | brlcad | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/brlcad login |
| 03:02.32 | brlcad | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/brlcad co -P brlcad |
| 03:02.53 | brlcad | if you already have a brlcad dir.. move it out of the way |
| 03:05.50 | dssl | I'm assuming the rm db/*.g is no longer necessary |
| 03:05.57 | brlcad | correct |
| 03:09.35 | dssl | still need the autogen? |
| 03:09.40 | brlcad | yes |
| 03:13.16 | dssl | FYI |
| 03:13.18 | dssl | [dssl:/tmp/brlcad] eric% ./autogen.sh head: 1: No such file or directory ./autogen.sh: line 72: [: -lt: unary operator expected ./autogen.sh: line 74: [: -lt: unary operator expected Found GNU Autoconf version . tail: 1: No such file or directory Automatically preparing build ... done The BRL-CAD build system is now prepared. To build here, run: ./configure make |
| 03:14.34 | brlcad | that's okay |
| 03:15.00 | dssl | I figured since it finished. |
| 03:17.06 | brlcad | recent change caused that |
| 03:17.17 | brlcad | trying to accommodate more platforms |
| 03:21.23 | dssl | just started the build |
| 03:23.40 | brlcad | there have been lots of recent changes back and forth so cvs isn't exactly reliable just yet -- but hopefully enough for you ;) |
| 03:23.59 | brlcad | if not, post the error.. getting the mac build is usally really easy |
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| 03:47.32 | dssl | compiled and installed fine this time! |
| 03:49.01 | dssl | Summary: Abs dssl.mne.psu.edu 235448.68 121407.71 105780.34 85302.61 116894.03 127437.84 132045.20 Thu Jan 13 22:48:29 EST 2005 *vgr dssl.mne.psu.edu 1718.47 1810.43 1886.57 1598.62 1653.61 8.59 1446.04 |
| 03:49.16 | brlcad | excellent |
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| 03:49.54 | brlcad | not a bad benchmark number too |
| 03:50.40 | brlcad | dssl, if you want even better performance, make clean and then ./configure --enable-optimized && make again |
| 03:50.57 | jerwin | 'm having difficulty running brlcad on a mac. Something about XInputExtension... |
| 03:51.16 | brlcad | jerwin: xinputextension is a warning |
| 03:52.23 | jerwin | yeah? well, it crashes when I select "ogl" mode |
| 03:53.08 | brlcad | crashes?? you have a crash log? |
| 03:53.45 | jerwin | checking... |
| 03:54.09 | dssl | it's a 2ghz dp g5 |
| 03:54.18 | dssl | trying the optimized... |
| 03:54.42 | dssl | unfortunately my xlc trial expired |
| 03:54.45 | brlcad | dssl: the last number of the vgr line is the one to pay attention to really |
| 03:55.28 | brlcad | it's an average summary multipler of how much faster you are than the base metric |
| 04:02.50 | jerwin | when I run mged -n, it asks "attach (nu|X|ogl)[nu]? " |
| 04:03.16 | jerwin | the ogl option will crash X11.app |
| 04:04.12 | jerwin | the X option will not. |
| 04:04.52 | brlcad | which X11 do you have? |
| 04:04.58 | brlcad | version-wise |
| 04:05.53 | jerwin | 1.0: XFree86 4.3.0 |
| 04:06.00 | brlcad | ahh |
| 04:06.07 | brlcad | that's why |
| 04:06.36 | brlcad | if i'm not mistaken, apple released an update some time ago, no? |
| 04:07.39 | jerwin | not quite sure. It came with Panther. |
| 04:10.16 | brlcad | hrm.. |
| 04:10.38 | brlcad | would you send me your crash log? |
| 04:10.52 | brlcad | should be in Library/Logs/CrashReporter/mged.log |
| 04:10.56 | brlcad | or something similar |
| 04:14.03 | learner | i take it back.. 1.0 should be fine |
| 04:14.09 | learner | so crash log would be good.. |
| 04:14.14 | learner | what's your video card too? |
| 04:14.29 | jerwin | brlcad, your sourceforge account? |
| 04:22.45 | jerwin | ok, I've sent it off. |
| 04:23.09 | jerwin | BTW, brlcad, what's your relationship with brl? |
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| 04:38.42 | dssl | doubled! |
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| 05:30.39 | dad | hey, all! |
| 05:50.02 | dad | anyone around to answer a question? |
| 06:05.55 | noyb | hi dad |
| 06:07.31 | noyb | if you ask the question there's a better chance of getting it answered... ;) |
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| 06:30.12 | dad_ | nyob: i combuned several primitives, each one will show in a raytrace, but the object doesn't show up in a raytrace |
| 06:30.30 | dad_ | howcome? |
| 06:31.18 | dad_ | i've tried all sorts of things... |
| 06:38.05 | dad_ | never mind, i think i found it |
| 06:40.57 | dad_ | nope |
| 06:41.05 | dad_ | puzzeling... |
| 06:46.28 | dad_ | i have 6 rpc's from the build pattern tool (cyllinder) u a cylinder - another cylinder (the hole in the middle of a sprocket). each rpc shows in a raytrace, each cyllinder shows in a raytrace, but when i draw the object, and raytrace it, the screen is blank (even with default shaders and such) |
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| 06:55.52 | learner | dad_; paste the l of the region |
| 06:59.46 | dad_ | l? |
| 06:59.56 | learner | type "who" :) |
| 07:00.09 | dad_ | ok |
| 07:00.27 | learner | should see the name(s) of the objects displayed |
| 07:00.28 | dad_ | sprocket2.s |
| 07:00.40 | learner | just the one? |
| 07:00.49 | dad_ | it's a comb |
| 07:01.03 | learner | .s is conventionally used to mean a primitive "solid" .. not a combination/region |
| 07:01.13 | dad_ | oops |
| 07:01.17 | learner | regardless.. "l sprocket2.s" |
| 07:01.45 | dad_ | mged> l sprocket2.s |
| 07:01.45 | dad_ | sprocket2.s: -- |
| 07:01.45 | dad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.45 | dad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.45 | dad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.46 | dad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.48 | dad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.52 | dad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.53 | dad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.55 | dad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.06 | learner | ah, :) |
| 07:02.14 | dad_ | ah? |
| 07:02.15 | learner | you're intersecting all those s0's |
| 07:02.34 | dad_ | ok |
| 07:02.43 | learner | what is s34? |
| 07:02.52 | dad_ | actually each intersects with s34 |
| 07:02.58 | dad_ | a cyllinder |
| 07:03.33 | learner | actually only s0_1 is if I recall the stack rules correctly |
| 07:03.46 | learner | so the rest of the intersections are with the result of that first intersection |
| 07:03.49 | learner | leaving you with nothing |
| 07:04.50 | learner | i even continue to get the rules backwards, so I could be mistaken -- but that would explain your situation |
| 07:05.22 | learner | so s34 is a large cylinder |
| 07:06.08 | learner | and the s0's are smaller rpcs and s35 is the hole in the middle.. |
| 07:06.39 | dad_ | yes, well larger than the DI of the other items placed in a circle |
| 07:06.58 | dad_ | yes |
| 07:07.01 | learner | can you post your .g somewhere? |
| 07:07.11 | dad_ | i can try to |
| 07:07.12 | learner | perhaps ftp it up to ftp.brlcad.org |
| 07:07.42 | dad_ | i'd be glad to. do i have access? |
| 07:09.02 | dad_ | in incomming? |
| 07:09.05 | learner | yes |
| 07:10.03 | dad_ | that would be test6.g |
| 07:10.08 | learner | k |
| 07:11.57 | dad_ | there's an s0 and a s0_7 that i haven't killed, and a few other trys at the same thing, but the idea is a 6 tooth sprocket with a hole in the middle of it |
| 07:12.57 | dad_ | do i need to union each s0 with the s34? |
| 07:13.12 | learner | from what you describe, yes |
| 07:13.19 | learner | they're unions, not intersections |
| 07:13.23 | dad_ | K |
| 07:13.28 | learner | i'll know here in a sec ;) |
| 07:13.49 | dad_ | i thought i tried that |
| 07:38.41 | noyb | see ya... |
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| 07:39.01 | dad_ | noyb: laterz... |
| 07:39.05 | learner | dad_, ooh, pretty :) |
| 07:39.09 | dad_ | have a nice nite |
| 07:39.14 | dad_ | :) |
| 07:39.27 | dad_ | did it work for you? |
| 07:39.51 | learner | yeah.. so that should be one solid component with a hole in it, yes? |
| 07:39.58 | dad_ | yes |
| 07:40.14 | learner | yeah, that's not intersections then |
| 07:40.23 | learner | you shouldn't have any intersections with that geometry |
| 07:40.42 | dad_ | ok |
| 07:41.07 | dad_ | all unions and a subtraction |
| 07:41.46 | dad_ | is there a diference between the c command and the comb command? |
| 07:41.48 | learner | right |
| 07:42.06 | learner | there's a slight syntactic difference, but otherwise no |
| 07:42.44 | dad_ | ok |
| 07:43.55 | dad_ | off i go, to work on more of it... (a 'hub' and a threaded hole :) once i get this part to work... |
| 07:50.42 | learner | pretty nifty really |
| 07:50.49 | learner | what are you building? |
| 07:58.54 | dad_ | i'm just building parts for now. a sprocket here, a gear there |
| 07:59.25 | dad_ | but haven't had a whole lot of success - there's a prety steep learning curve :) |
| 08:00.29 | learner | it is a lot to get into and learn |
| 08:00.33 | learner | large command set |
| 08:00.55 | dad_ | and raytracing sometimes locks brlcad (i suspect thete's something wrong with my drawing :) |
| 08:01.59 | dad_ | actually, i'm not a cad drafter by trade, but have done drafting on a small scale |
| 08:02.23 | learner | it "shouldn't" .. if you have a .g that does it consistently from a certain view, feel free to run "saveview whatever.rt" and post the whatever.rt and the .g to sf.net bug tracker |
| 08:28.26 | dad_ | K |
| 08:28.34 | dad_ | i got it working ... |
| 08:28.46 | learner | sweet! |
| 08:28.57 | dad_ | hade a 'hub' with the 2 cyllinders |
| 08:29.06 | dad_ | then you the teeth |
| 08:29.13 | dad_ | oops 'u' |
| 08:29.27 | dad_ | damned auto complete |
| 08:29.56 | learner | :) |
| 08:30.14 | dad_ | noe for a screw hole... |
| 08:30.52 | learner | mm.. threads on a screw is getting into rather serious geometry quickly |
| 08:31.01 | learner | have you read volume III any? |
| 08:32.11 | dad_ | oh, yes i know... vol III i haven't even read vol I - just the html that builds with brlcad |
| 08:32.28 | learner | ahh |
| 08:32.52 | dad_ | where do i find these vol's? |
| 08:32.58 | learner | html is fine, albeit older and not as thought out as the volumes |
| 08:33.06 | learner | http://brlcad.org/ |
| 08:33.14 | dad_ | K |
| 08:33.18 | learner | listed right there for now |
| 08:33.28 | dad_ | will go there, read learn, apply, repete |
| 08:33.49 | learner | the first link is the pieces of volume I that were relevant post-open-sourcing |
| 08:34.13 | learner | vol II through IV are there in their entirety, though |
| 08:34.37 | dad_ | oh! the big pdf's |
| 08:35.26 | learner | vol II is the beginner's intro to mged.. slew of gruesome (albeit simple) tutorials |
| 08:35.48 | learner | that do what they can to prepare you for the semblance of real csg modeling in volumes II and iV |
| 08:35.52 | learner | er, III |
| 08:36.20 | learner | real as in really complex, that is too :) |
| 08:36.27 | dad_ | i should read them... |
| 08:37.34 | dad_ | o noticed the complexity _> opened some of the included .g files (the tank, helecopter, etc...) |
| 08:38.06 | learner | :) |
| 08:38.33 | dad_ | oh, that's not too bad - 45 minuites for the good stuff |
| 08:38.35 | learner | those are still relatively simple models |
| 08:39.23 | learner | havoc.g is probably the most complicated included database |
| 08:39.29 | learner | and it's "okay" |
| 08:39.57 | learner | the walkie-talkie in volume III is a great model .. nice detail |
| 08:40.16 | learner | nice and complicated with articulations even |
| 08:40.44 | dad_ | who made all those? |
| 08:40.57 | learner | various modelers |
| 08:41.14 | dad_ | ok |
| 08:41.18 | learner | the ones in db/ are a wide set of people over the years |
| 08:42.14 | learner | there are a couple people that are pretty much the expert modelers that get involved in the more "real" geometries |
| 08:43.12 | learner | I can get you in touch with one of them if there's a modeling question I can't answer |
| 08:51.45 | dad_ | k, i'll muddle thru some of the stuff for now, and read/learn/repete |
| 09:02.07 | learner | maybe you'll become our first open source brl-cad csg expert ;) |
| 09:03.51 | learner | by the way, as you're going along .. if you care to keep track of things that are really confusing, buggy, frustrating, very unexpected, etc .. that's very useful for future interface planning |
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| 09:07.25 | smokin1 | hi. anyone home? |
| 09:11.27 | dad_ | learner - will do :) |
| 09:11.36 | learner | =) |
| 09:11.38 | learner | smokin1, nope :) |
| 09:12.07 | dad_ | smokin1: i'm here as well, but i don't know much |
| 09:12.26 | smokin1 | ok then, i'll just talk to the walls... usually works. |
| 09:13.02 | learner | works for me |
| 09:13.06 | learner | i like talking to myself too sometimes |
| 09:13.18 | smokin1 | you two typing this on unix or did you actully get it to work on a win macnine? |
| 09:13.38 | learner | i've run it on windows |
| 09:13.45 | learner | but right now, I'm on os x |
| 09:14.19 | learner | there are various windows efforts on-going right now -- the code is pretty much ported (at least for the major binaries) |
| 09:14.53 | smokin1 | but i'm guessing you got to pice and hack it together to get it to compile? |
| 09:15.55 | learner | actually there's an msdev studio project (not in cvs yet) |
| 09:16.17 | learner | getting it to compile otherwise is painful (but one of the long-term routes) |
| 09:16.31 | learner | e.g. msys/mingw/cygwin |
| 09:17.03 | learner | i've heard of a couple people trying their hand at getting cygwin build to work |
| 09:17.59 | learner | msdev studio files will likely get included down the road, but we'll need to pick up someone willing to keep them maintained |
| 09:20.10 | smokin1 | probably not a task for someone whose c programming career consists of "hello world" ? |
| 09:22.08 | dad_ | lol |
| 09:23.31 | smokin1 | oh yeah, go ahead and laugh at the poor sap who hoped to magically find a binary lying around in the irc |
| 09:25.04 | dad_ | heh! my machine is gasping for memory |
| 09:25.44 | dad_ | @1/2 a gig, i maxed it out on the pattern tool! soo azmuths and 300 heights |
| 09:26.14 | dad_ | oops s/soo/300 |
| 09:26.54 | dad_ | and then i ask to dosplay it in 'multi-plane view... |
| 09:27.13 | dad_ | is that 900* 4? |
| 09:27.55 | dad_ | ~900*4 |
| 09:27.56 | ibot | 3600 |
| 09:28.24 | dad_ | 3600 arb6's... |
| 09:28.33 | dad_ | :) |
| 09:28.58 | smokin1 | http://ftp.arl.mil/brlcad/downloads/Rel6.1DP/brlcad.exe |
| 09:29.07 | learner | smokin1, heh, actually you might be able to get somewhere useful, but it's not simple to say the least |
| 09:29.46 | smokin1 | anyone know about that address? it gives me a 404, but claims to contain a win 2000/NT binary |
| 09:29.49 | learner | smokin1, yes, that's an early beta |
| 09:29.59 | smokin1 | i'd take that |
| 09:30.04 | learner | heh :) |
| 09:30.04 | smokin1 | ain't pickey |
| 09:30.09 | learner | i'm sure you would :) |
| 09:30.25 | learner | I'll think about it |
| 09:30.38 | learner | it's woefully bugged |
| 09:31.08 | learner | I'd hate to see the same bug reports dozens of times over for things that were fixed almost two years ago |
| 09:32.14 | learner | and it's missing a lot and is now quite out of date |
| 09:32.47 | learner | if you can wait a couple weeks, there's a group tasked to solidify the windows port |
| 09:33.29 | learner | course .. a couple of gov't weeks often are not merely a couple -- can't promise |
| 09:34.13 | learner | almost as likely that someone will finish the msys port about the same time |
| 09:39.30 | smokin1 | oh well, i guess i'll just wait. |
| 09:40.15 | smokin1 | i'd like to get back into c, but i think i'll jump back in on a project with something less than 3/4 million lines of code. |
| 09:40.27 | learner | you'll probably be may more interested in the other things this group is going for window regardless |
| 09:40.56 | learner | porting a massive unix-based package to the windows environment is not probalby what you're used to |
| 09:41.40 | learner | smokin1, don't let the size scare you off -- it's actually over 400 separate small projects really |
| 09:42.12 | learner | most of those are really strait-forward to understand |
| 09:42.59 | learner | the src/proc-db/ model generators, for example, are great computer graphics and programming exercises that are pretty darn easy to follow |
| 09:43.22 | learner | easy to write a little bit of code that outputs a model procedurally |
| 09:47.47 | smokin1 | are you one of the admins on the project? |
| 09:48.15 | learner | yes |
| 09:49.56 | smokin1 | ya don't say... |
| 09:50.40 | smokin1 | i've seen that handle quite a bit on many a google search |
| 09:50.55 | learner | heh |
| 09:51.14 | learner | so you're looking for the answers to some of the same things I am? :) |
| 09:51.41 | smokin1 | no, i'm looking for the answers to the stuff you already know ;) |
| 09:53.25 | learner | heh, shame it doesn't feel like that most of the time :) |
| 09:55.14 | smokin1 | i'm guessing you're military? |
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| 11:02.28 | dad_ | nite. all! |
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| 13:07.18 | tjyang | learner you here ? |
| 14:02.43 | learner | yes although sleepy |
| 14:12.56 | tjyang | new ETA on 7.0.3 realease ? |
| 14:13.35 | tjyang | or 7.0.4 ? |
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| 14:30.34 | learner | tjyang this weekend |
| 14:30.40 | learner | 7.0.4 |
| 14:30.47 | learner | 7.0.3 is a CVS version |
| 14:34.07 | tjyang | thanks, does 7.0.3 fix the compiling on solaris ? |
| 14:40.00 | learner | there not commited yet |
| 14:42.15 | tjyang | ok, I come back and check on Monday. |
| 14:54.30 | learner | okie dokie |
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| 20:15.40 | stafa77 | I am trying to compile BRL-CAD on Cygwin. I'm getting an error. Can anyone help me out? |
| 20:31.09 | a_b_normal | http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/ <-- read the fine print, #2 |
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| 22:29.00 | learner | stafa77, what's the error, I can try to help |
| 22:33.24 | a_b_normal | that's one major ping |
| 22:33.28 | a_b_normal | :) |
| 22:34.02 | learner | ;) |
| 22:35.40 | a_b_normal | :( |
| 22:36.12 | learner | ahh, i know that addy =) |
| 22:54.19 | starseeker | learner: Any luck with the pro-engineer make files? |
| 22:55.25 | learner | yeah, I think I have it fixed |
| 22:59.24 | starseeker | cool :-) |
| 22:59.30 | starseeker | is it in cvs? |
| 22:59.39 | learner | not yet |
| 22:59.46 | learner | later tonight hopefully |
| 22:59.52 | starseeker | Cool. Thanks :-) |
| 23:00.13 | starseeker | I dunno if I'll be able to test it this weekend (kinda busy) but ASAP I'll give it a whirl |
| 23:00.19 | starseeker | what was it? |
| 23:00.39 | learner | yeah.. this is a busy weekend :) |
| 23:00.58 | learner | brl-cad pushed back bzflag's major release, which will likely happen this weekend |
| 23:01.04 | learner | finally |
| 23:01.07 | starseeker | :-) |
| 23:01.25 | starseeker | yin and yang - productivity and anti-productivity ;-) |
| 23:01.31 | learner | :) |
| 23:04.09 | starseeker | Did it need some more $(DESTDIR) statements? |
| 23:04.34 | learner | needed to be made non-deterministic via configure |
| 23:04.41 | learner | so that destdir can be used |
| 23:04.48 | starseeker | Ah. Harder :-) |
| 23:05.00 | learner | just a slight reworking |
| 23:05.16 | starseeker | Gentoo: finding make bugs no one else in the known universe cares about :-/ |
| 23:06.07 | a_b_normal | hahaha |
| 23:06.59 | starseeker | I know of almost no other circumstance where this would matter - if the user installs it's not an issue, if it's a package it's already handled. |
| 23:07.39 | learner | it's good to have it fixed, though |
| 23:07.42 | learner | it was "wrong" |
| 23:07.45 | starseeker | :-) |
| 23:07.53 | learner | thanks for finding it |
| 23:08.20 | starseeker | My pleasure :-). Just trying to add a great piece of software to gentoo |
| 23:09.00 | starseeker | Heh - I wish I could have seen my face when I read that slashdot announcement |
| 23:09.09 | learner | heh |
| 23:09.49 | starseeker | It was one of the better places to announce, methinks |
| 23:09.53 | learner | if you only knew what I had to go through to make it happen.. |
| 23:10.38 | learner | heck that announcement paragraph itself took almost two weeks to get approved |
| 23:10.41 | starseeker | I can imagine. Bill Schelter had to do something similar, and Maxima is just a mathematics program. We have a label warning about export restrictions possibly applying he was asked to add |
| 23:11.19 | starseeker | And Maxiam, AFAIK, hasn't been used to design tanks ;-) |
| 23:12.12 | starseeker | You deserve some kind of award for making it happen |
| 23:12.48 | learner | tanks are fun :) |
| 23:13.19 | starseeker | Heh - you probably didn't see the response to my post about it in forums.gentoo.org? |
| 23:13.36 | learner | I don't follow the gentoo forums |
| 23:13.56 | starseeker | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=141832&start=75 |
| 23:14.11 | starseeker | last couple posts on the page |
| 23:15.31 | starseeker | Hmm - a new post. Does brl-cad work on 64 bit chips? |
| 23:16.08 | learner | haha |
| 23:16.20 | starseeker | thought you might ;-) |
| 23:16.28 | learner | oh heck yes it does |
| 23:16.44 | starseeker | Cool - someone's asking about it for 64 bit gentoo |
| 23:16.51 | starseeker | too bad I can't test on that platform |
| 23:18.06 | learner | yes, it would require testing to validate the 64-bitness, but brl-cad already runs and has been tested on 64-bit irix, aix, and irix's 64-bit linux |
| 23:18.20 | starseeker | Nifty. |
| 23:18.31 | learner | mm.. i'd love to get brl-cad going on the compile farm |
| 23:18.47 | learner | we used to have internal compile farms running.. been a while |
| 23:19.00 | starseeker | Hehe - if you become a debian package that's a lot of platforms right there |
| 23:19.15 | starseeker | They had XFree86 running on more platforms than it was written for |
| 23:21.18 | learner | debian's given me more headaches than any other platform |
| 23:21.31 | starseeker | I can believe that too :-( |
| 23:21.58 | learner | I believe woody is either misconfigured in regards to automake+libtool, or it's rather bugged |
| 23:22.25 | learner | i've gotten a patch to review from a debian user that i'll check out before releas |
| 23:22.42 | learner | brl-cad' |
| 23:23.05 | learner | has always run on pretty much anything we could get our hands on.. |
| 23:23.33 | learner | officially, only a handful are "funded" for support |
| 23:23.50 | learner | which are basically the ones needed internally |
| 23:24.07 | starseeker | right - I was wondering if the Army actually needed so many platforms supported |
| 23:24.11 | learner | getting it to run on the vax was tough -- cray too |
| 23:24.50 | learner | those both predate me, though I've re-attempted to revive a vax build just a couple years ago |
| 23:25.07 | starseeker | eeeeeeeeeeeekk Vax still lives? |
| 23:25.34 | learner | we have a wide range of machines.. desktops/workstations.. supercomputers.. various flavors of unix |
| 23:25.47 | starseeker | Sounds like a neat place to work |
| 23:26.35 | learner | no, the vax was decommissioned several years ago, but the historic computing project has a complete software emulation that is the same |
| 23:27.06 | starseeker | Cool. |
| 23:27.21 | starseeker | Good way to learn about software that only survives as binaries |
| 23:27.39 | learner | took the better part of a saturday, but I had the boot prom loaded, disks attached, and was installing bsd and brl-cad shortly thereafter |
| 23:28.59 | starseeker | Wow. |
| 23:30.12 | starseeker | Hmm, supper might be a good thing. Thanks learner! I'll let you know the results once the new pro-engineer stuff is tested on gentoo |
| 23:30.27 | learner | okay :) |
| 23:30.49 | learner | I'll let you have first dibs on testing 7.0.4 since working on gentoo is a priority |
| 23:30.59 | starseeker | Thanks :-) |
| 23:31.09 | starseeker | It's a priority? |
| 23:31.49 | learner | yes, on my "must do" list |
| 23:31.59 | starseeker | Hah! Take that Redhat! :-P |
| 23:32.27 | starseeker | Or I guess it's Fedora Core now |
| 23:32.33 | learner | i want to get it cleanly building on gentoo, debian, mac os x, rhlinux, freebsd, irix, and irix 64 this release |
| 23:33.06 | learner | gentoo overtook redhat a long time ago (except in business) |
| 23:33.26 | learner | perhaps even debian.. haven't seen the stats recently |
| 23:33.44 | learner | debian maintainer is shooting the project in the head with this drawn out releases |
| 23:33.58 | starseeker | The thing with gentoo is - because you build everything on the system, you have a VERY good development environment |
| 23:34.06 | starseeker | Yes, Debian can be very annoying |
| 23:34.31 | learner | then next release will probably activate the windows support .. or at least provide some test binaries |
| 23:34.54 | starseeker | Heh - prepare for a whole new level of annoyance |
| 23:35.14 | starseeker | Almost without exception, the most painful part of releasing for both Axiom and Maxima has been Windows |
| 23:35.49 | learner | we've had windows betas for years now.. just no time to polish it up until recently |
| 23:36.01 | learner | (funded time) |
| 23:36.33 | starseeker | Well, that does help. But still... what a messed up environment. Especially if you want to support Win98-WinXP |
| 23:36.35 | learner | and win* is so way low on my priority list to be on "my time" as most of this is |
| 23:37.25 | starseeker | Yeah - all Windows gets you is users ;-P |
| 23:37.54 | starseeker | Really - the Army didn't fund Windows development? |
| 23:38.04 | learner | i'm quite comfortable only supporting xp for now -- let a windows dev step forward to pick up it's maintenance like you did to get brl-cad in gentoo |
| 23:38.10 | learner | (which I still can't thank you enough) |
| 23:38.37 | starseeker | My pleasure. There are several people who would like gentoo to become the "scientific linux" platform of choice |
| 23:38.48 | starseeker | and we certainly can't be that without brl-cad ;-) |
| 23:39.04 | learner | brl-cad's been a unix program nearly it's entire life -- the original architect was one of the bsd foundation architects |
| 23:39.14 | starseeker | Wow. |
| 23:39.30 | a_b_normal | the guy that invented ping, right? :( |
| 23:39.37 | learner | yep |
| 23:39.49 | learner | amazing man |
| 23:39.55 | a_b_normal | yeah |
| 23:40.36 | starseeker | Someday it would be interesting if Nova or somebody did an indepth series on the history of computer software |
| 23:40.36 | learner | that's not even considering any classified work he may have worked on and made major impacts on |
| 23:41.10 | starseeker | There's a rich human story behind the screen. |
| 23:41.51 | starseeker | Or better yet, the history channel - they might actually take it seriously |
| 23:43.31 | starseeker | Well, time to eat something besides valentines candy ;-) |
| 23:43.36 | starseeker | later all! |
| 23:43.42 | learner | cya |