| 03:30:32 | prpplague | Russ|werk: you get you package today? |
| 04:09:51 | Sammy | cool prpplague :) |
| 04:10:07 | | well, that is the point you dumb idiot |
| 04:10:07 | prpplague | Sammy: whats that? |
| 04:10:24 | | Sammy: what? |
| 04:10:24 | Sammy | ibot: sleep ... |
| 04:11:01 | Sammy | prpplague: I mean your shooting |
| 04:11:16 | prpplague | shooting? |
| 04:12:18 | Sammy | Oh. on tux , about the picture ... |
| 04:12:22 | prpplague | ahh |
| 04:12:43 | prpplague | Sammy: just a concept right now, got alot of learning to do before it is real |
| 04:12:58 | Sammy | how about your ram amd flash size ? |
| 04:13:05 | Sammy | er and |
| 04:14:02 | prpplague | nothing big, probably 8meg flash and 16meg ram |
| 04:14:22 | prpplague | we are looking for more of an educational tool |
| 04:14:57 | prpplague | Sammy: seletz_ is also working with me on a larger design with 16meg flash and 32meg ram |
| 04:15:27 | Sammy | why not use 32mb flash and 32mb ram ? |
| 04:16:29 | prpplague | Sammy: i'm trying to keep cost down very low |
| 04:18:24 | Sammy | Ammm....yeah $ is mout important thing we need to consider first .. |
| 04:25:02 | prpplague | Sammy: i hope to create a nice learning tool, maybe not a great embedded system, but a solid learning platform |
| 04:43:26 | Sammy | shake shake shake ... |
| 04:43:35 | Sammy | shakeing ... |
| 07:07:13 | mmatten__ | morning :) |
| 08:33:47 | seletz_ | morning |
| 11:53:56 | | hey, seletz |
| 11:53:56 | seletz | lyakh: hi |
| 12:04:22 | lyakh | seletz: hi |
| 14:56:12 | prpplague | morning guys |
| 14:56:39 | prpplague | seletz: got a minute or two? |
| 15:10:22 | seletz_ | ugh |
| 15:10:44 | seletz_ | prpplague: one minute pls, having LD troubles :( |
| 15:17:50 | seletz_ | prpplague: ok, whatsup? |
| 15:18:08 | prpplague | seletz_:having fun today? |
| 15:18:16 | seletz_ | prpplague: grrr |
| 15:18:21 | seletz_ | prpplague: not really |
| 15:18:35 | seletz_ | prpplague: but now its ok |
| 15:18:38 | prpplague | seletz_: i've started a rough sketch of a board |
| 15:18:51 | prpplague | seletz_: just as a starting point |
| 15:18:56 | seletz_ | prpplague: well? |
| 15:19:11 | prpplague | seletz_: http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/images/hack-kit.jpg |
| 15:19:23 | seletz_ | looking |
| 15:19:46 | prpplague | seletz_: i had to start somewhere |
| 15:20:12 | seletz_ | ok, cool. |
| 15:20:53 | seletz_ | prpplague: but note that the layouter (your manufactorer) probably will place the parts differently. |
| 15:21:08 | seletz_ | prpplague: to minimize layers used and so on. |
| 15:21:39 | prpplague | seletz_: ya i figured as much, i was just trying to get a feel of where things might go and what it might look like |
| 15:21:40 | seletz_ | prpplague: so you want one board and have abadoned the cpuboard/mainboard idea? |
| 15:22:06 | prpplague | seletz_: two seperate projects |
| 15:22:13 | seletz_ | prpplague: the mainboard could be _very_ low-cost |
| 15:22:39 | seletz_ | prpplague: well, ok. i got you. |
| 15:23:13 | prpplague | seletz_: are you saying using a cpuboard/mainboard combination would be cheaper? |
| 15:23:40 | seletz_ | prpplague: ya. reasoning: |
| 15:24:33 | seletz_ | prpplague: mainboard module _very_lowcost, single layer etc. |
| 15:24:36 | seletz_ | prpplague: cpu module: large # of units, small, simple => lowcost |
| 15:25:18 | prpplague | seletz_: my main concern doing it that way would be with the number of cpu boards that need to be purchased at one time |
| 15:25:20 | seletz_ | prpplague: i think the sum of both parts is less than the costs of your all-in-one design. |
| 15:25:30 | prpplague | seletz_: the 1000 qty is a big sticking point |
| 15:25:58 | seletz_ | prpplague: ya, as i told you, i'll get into contact with manufactorers to avoid that point. |
| 15:26:22 | prpplague | seletz_: ok, guess i wan't clear on that point |
| 15:26:41 | seletz_ | prpplague: forget about 1000 units. I hope i'll be able to get a per-week basis or similar. |
| 15:26:57 | seletz_ | prpplague: i'll have probably something in my hands by OLS |
| 15:27:05 | prpplague | seletz_: really? |
| 15:27:29 | prpplague | seletz_: core and main board? |
| 15:28:07 | seletz_ | prpplague: to make things more clear: I'll get into contact with a manufactorer, and i'm not alone for that project. I'll have more funders, and more hackers. I'ts seen as a big opportunity. |
| 15:28:40 | prpplague | seletz_: cool |
| 15:29:26 | seletz_ | prpplague: nah, only a calculation based _not_ on big # of units, but on something like: "Whats the price if we order xx units per month?" And then We'll have to make sure there's a fallback with no added cost. |
| 15:29:29 | prpplague | seletz_: great! so when do you expect we could get a couple of units to start working with? |
| 15:29:37 | seletz_ | prpplague: i dont wnat to buy 1000 units and sell 100. |
| 15:29:51 | seletz_ | prpplague: i want order 100, sell them, order 100 more. |
| 15:30:00 | seletz_ | prpplague: that's the way to do it. |
| 15:30:13 | prpplague | seletz_: gotcha |
| 15:30:46 | seletz_ | prpplague: unfortunately i'm in a bit of pressure lately (agent meeting at 6th of june) |
| 15:30:56 | prpplague | seletz_: so i'll be able to layout the hack-kit as well as other boards very easily using your core |
| 15:30:59 | seletz_ | prpplague: but i'll definitely make it to OLS |
| 15:31:11 | seletz_ | prpplague: yeah, exactly. |
| 15:31:18 | seletz_ | prpplague: and no need of BGA process |
| 15:31:23 | prpplague | seletz_: great, this is tooooo cool |
| 15:31:24 | seletz_ | prpplague: very cheap .... |
| 15:31:40 | prpplague | seletz_: looks like were going to have a cool deal |
| 15:32:21 | prpplague | seletz_: i've set aside enough $$ to send evals to around 10 or 15 linux gurus for hacking help |
| 15:32:29 | seletz_ | prpplague: i cant get this off my mind. I really want to be independent of my cuttent customer. I want my own board. |
| 15:32:41 | prpplague | seletz_: freedom |
| 15:33:02 | seletz_ | prpplague: s/cuttent/current/ grr |
| 15:33:13 | seletz_ | prpplague: ya, thats it: freedom. |
| 15:33:13 | prpplague | understood |
| 15:33:24 | prpplague | i make the same typos |
| 15:34:05 | seletz_ | prpplague: the cool thing is: my ex-boss is willing to join me, hacking&funding. He has big connections to the german automotive sector. |
| 15:34:32 | seletz_ | prpplague: he's a great C/perl hacker too. He wants freedom of his current customer too. |
| 15:35:26 | seletz_ | prpplague: (my ex-boss and i quit at the same reasons from our last job, and we are both freelance hackers since) |
| 15:35:53 | seletz_ | prpplague: i _really_ hope we can get this going. |
| 15:36:29 | seletz_ | prpplague: i'll have a meeting with those technotron guys in two weeks. |
| 15:37:05 | seletz_ | prpplague: technotron is one of germans biggest HW manufactorers for CPU boards and such. |
| 15:37:19 | seletz_ | sorry, afk brb |
| 15:37:24 | prpplague | seletz_: great, looks like we are on to something then |
| 15:37:28 | prpplague | seletz_: ok later |
| 20:14:14 | prpplague | seletz_: you around? |
| 21:13:38 | prpplague | all hail the one hand master of the tuxscreen BZFlag |
| 21:14:32 | Russ|werk | wb |
| 21:55:17 | BZFlag | heh. yep one handed typing for a while. |
