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| 04:26:44 | prpplague | even BZFlag |
| 04:26:57 | prpplague | evening that is |
| 04:27:07 | prpplague | BZFlag: hows the new job? |
| 07:05:36 | seletz | hi * |
| 07:38:50 | | niihau, mmatten_ |
| 07:38:50 | mmatten_ | hi |
| 08:31:06 | seletz | someone here who knows about damned IOCS16 wrt PCMCIA? |
| 09:20:41 | Sammy | sorry seletz :( |
| 14:20:20 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:21:14 | | que tal, seletz |
| 14:21:14 | seletz | hi |
| 14:21:31 | prpplague | seletz: i've been doing some more research on the "hack kit" |
| 14:21:38 | seletz | cool |
| 14:21:54 | prpplague | seletz: did you have a CF slot in mind for the board? |
| 14:22:20 | seletz | prpplague: why not? CF is built into the SA1110 |
| 14:22:35 | seletz | prpplague: it's only a layout and socket cost issue IMHO |
| 14:22:50 | prpplague | seletz: thats what i thought, i just wanted to double check |
| 14:23:01 | seletz | prpplague: IMHO the CF socke shold go onto the base board, like the eperimental PCB area |
| 14:23:07 | prpplague | seletz: what kind of flash/ram configuration are you thinking? |
| 14:23:32 | prpplague | seletz: agreed |
| 14:23:33 | seletz | prpplague: flash 16 RAM 32 MB, probably 64 MB |
| 14:24:17 | prpplague | seletz: how much difference in price between 4/16 and 16/32 ? |
| 14:24:51 | seletz | prpplague: dont know really. Not much probably, flash is expensive, tho |
| 14:25:06 | seletz | prpplague: my calculations based on 16/32 IRRC |
| 14:25:15 | prpplague | seletz: ok, i'll keep that in mind |
| 14:25:24 | seletz | prpplague: look into my mail i sent you .... |
| 14:25:24 | seletz | :) |
| 14:25:33 | prpplague | seletz: here is some of what i was thinking |
| 14:25:40 | prpplague | seletz: ok i'll double check |
| 14:26:12 | prpplague | seletz: power connector on board is like that used on a floppy driver, w/ 5v and 3.3v input |
| 14:26:22 | seletz | ok |
| 14:26:33 | prpplague | seletz: all the gpios available on a idc header |
| 14:26:46 | seletz | prpplague: sorry, whats an idc header? |
| 14:27:08 | prpplague | seletz: like what you'd use on a ide connector on a motherboard |
| 14:27:19 | seletz | prpplague: ah yes. thats fine |
| 14:27:35 | prpplague | seletz: a seperate idc header for all related lcd i/o |
| 14:28:07 | seletz | prpplague: power: use PC power supplies? |
| 14:28:19 | seletz | prpplague: watch out: GPIO and LCD are the same |
| 14:28:41 | prpplague | seletz: i know gpio0:7 are used on the lcd when using a dual panel |
| 14:28:49 | seletz | prpplague: you'd really want only GPIO0-27 |
| 14:29:01 | prpplague | seletz: so basically the gpio0:7 would be duplicated on two headers |
| 14:29:20 | seletz | prpplague: leave it to the user what he'll make of it |
| 14:29:26 | seletz | prpplague: IMHO, that is |
| 14:29:40 | seletz | prpplague: save layout and PCB size |
| 14:30:28 | prpplague | seletz: ok, i'll note that |
| 14:30:48 | seletz | prpplague: provide a second header for PCMCIA and SA1111 bus stuff |
| 14:31:26 | seletz | prpplague: in that case we'll leave out the UCB1x00 |
| 14:31:45 | seletz | prpplague: no touchscreen then |
| 14:32:00 | prpplague | seletz: that brings up the other issue, lcd |
| 14:32:38 | seletz | prpplague: IMHO provide apps for use with simple serial LCDs (www.linuxtoys.com) |
| 14:33:06 | seletz | prpplague: leave out expensive LCDs. Provide them later as an add-on |
| 14:33:24 | prpplague | seletz: http://www.earthlcd.com/pdalcd.htm |
| 14:33:38 | prpplague | seletz: i can get those in qty on a regular basis |
| 14:34:36 | prpplague | seletz: an i also can get these - http://www.eio.com/lcd4034.htm |
| 14:35:04 | seletz | well, ok, they're fine. The problem ist the connectors and stuff IMHO |
| 14:36:58 | seletz | prpplague: the latter ones are fine & cheap. They could be hand-soldered/wired to the GPIO headers. |
| 14:37:24 | prpplague | seletz: ya and don't require a device to run the touch screen |
| 14:37:38 | seletz | prpplague: all hires LCDs i saw as of yet have flex band connectors. They're crap. |
| 14:39:15 | seletz | prpplague: you'd have to provide a doughterboard with flexband connectors hidden (sandwich, sort of) so users cant destroy them. |
| 14:41:31 | prpplague | seletz: ya that was a concern as well |
| 14:42:23 | prpplague | seletz: http://www.tekoenclosures.com/enclosures/strumentalia.htm |
| 14:42:48 | prpplague | seletz: the pulpit model is designed for use with the l4034 size lcd |
| 14:48:26 | prpplague | seletz: have you done any ethernet interfacing using arm ? |
| 14:48:48 | prpplague | seletz: i was looking at the schematics for the LART ethernet board last night |
| 14:52:03 | prpplague | seletz: btw, any idea on what night would be best for our beer bash? |
| 14:52:09 | prpplague | seletz: at OLS that is |
| 14:53:01 | mmatten_ | a sec he'S on phone |
| 14:54:04 | prpplague | mmatten_: np, sometimes i get some questions going i can't stop |
| 15:06:04 | prpplague | mmatten_: you going to OLS also? |
| 15:06:32 | mmatten_ | yep |
| 15:06:43 | prpplague | mmatten_: cool |
| 15:07:22 | prpplague | mmatten_: i'm looking forward to buying you guys a pint of beer |
| 15:07:33 | mmatten_ | hehe |
| 15:07:45 | prpplague | mmatten_: i'm up to 132 ratings |
| 15:08:02 | prpplague | mmatten_: i'm shooting for 200 by the end of the year |
| 15:08:32 | mmatten_ | you've got to work hard for that :) |
| 15:09:52 | seletz | sorry, phone |
| 15:09:55 | seletz | reading back |
| 15:10:54 | seletz | prpplague: ethernet runs fine on my board. SMC91c96 chip |
| 15:12:00 | seletz | prpplague: running in 8bit io mode tho. We're planning a 100Mbit chip anyway. for the next revision, that is. |
| 15:12:17 | seletz | prpplague: well, why not after the ARM linux BOF |
| 15:12:32 | prpplague | seletz: thats what i was thinking |
| 15:13:12 | prpplague | seletz: hmm the LART used the CS chipset, was there a reason you went with SMC? |
| 15:13:20 | seletz | prpplague: btw, we should plan active LCDs. Passive displays look like s*** due to the ARM dither logic |
| 15:13:39 | seletz | prpplague: simple interface and it was on the neponset board :) |
| 15:13:46 | prpplague | seletz: ahh |
| 15:13:46 | seletz | prpplague: and has drivers under linux |
| 15:14:08 | prpplague | seletz: noted on the lcds |
| 15:14:18 | seletz | prpplague: all we dit was in fact copy assabet+neponset => new board |
| 15:14:41 | prpplague | seletz: interesting |
| 15:15:16 | prpplague | seletz: i've got the schematics for assabet(intel sa-1110 dev board) and have been looking them over |
| 15:15:33 | seletz | prpplague: and we left off everything we do not need. actually, we left off just about everything but ucb1200, eth and pcmcia/CF |
| 15:16:08 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:16:19 | mmatten_ | hmmm |
| 15:16:24 | mmatten_ | i'm still here |
| 15:16:37 | seletz | gnarf |
| 15:17:13 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:17:18 | seletz | prpplague: well, the neponset board has ethernet, pcmcia and cf, sa1111 etc. |
| 15:17:55 | prpplague | seletz: i was about to say, when i get back from OLS i hope to layout a board and get it made, just for educational purposes |
| 15:18:14 | seletz | prpplague: actually what i want is a assabet without the audio and debug stuff, w/o the CPLDs and board registers and much smaller. |
| 15:18:14 | prpplague | seletz: ya, i've not made it to the sa1111 stuff yet |
| 15:18:42 | seletz | prpplague: well, have a cheap manufactorer? |
| 15:18:58 | prpplague | seletz: no, i'm expecting around $1500-2000 |
| 15:19:16 | seletz | prpplague: per unit |
| 15:19:18 | seletz | ? |
| 15:19:33 | seletz | prpplague: or prototype? |
| 15:19:41 | prpplague | seletz: prototype |
| 15:19:47 | seletz | prpplague: hmmm |
| 15:19:56 | prpplague | seletz: just a one unit run |
| 15:20:08 | prpplague | seletz: i'm still shopping around |
| 15:20:32 | seletz | prpplague: well, perhaps i'll get some more infos untill OLS |
| 15:20:36 | prpplague | seletz: i'm hoping that this place Russ is using will give me a better price |
| 15:21:30 | seletz | prpplague: that would be cool. |
| 15:22:27 | seletz | prpplague: btw, please do include some LCDs on the base board |
| 15:22:40 | seletz | prpplague: w/o LEDs you're lost |
| 15:22:44 | seletz | s/LCD/LED/ |
| 15:23:04 | prpplague | DIY board $1500 < TRAINING |
| 15:23:42 | prpplague | seletz: gotcha, how many would you suggest? two should give 2^3 posibble out puts |
| 15:23:52 | seletz | prpplague: yup |
| 15:24:11 | seletz | prpplague: just let them away for production. |
| 15:24:32 | seletz | prpplague: 2^2 actually |
| 15:24:39 | seletz | :) |
| 15:24:40 | prpplague | on,off, blinking |
| 15:24:42 | prpplague | 3 |
| 15:24:49 | seletz | argl |
| 15:25:02 | mmatten_ | add blinking in weird patterns :) |
| 15:25:12 | seletz | yuck^2 |
| 15:25:21 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:25:34 | seletz | use a dual colored led. gives 4 stati: off, green, orange, red |
| 15:25:40 | seletz | 2 gpios |
| 15:26:13 | seletz | and 2^3=8 IIRC :) |
| 15:26:37 | seletz | anyway |
| 15:26:44 | seletz | have to code my ISR .... |
| 15:26:48 | seletz | coding |
| 15:26:59 | prpplague | seletz: ok, thanks for info |
| 16:52:11 | prpplague | howdy BZFlag |
| 16:52:27 | prpplague | BZFlag: must be keeping you busy |
| 17:05:06 | prpplague | russ_: ! |
| 17:05:17 | Russ|werk | hello |
| 17:05:48 | prpplague | Russ|werk: would you mind droping me an email with some contact information on the board house you used? |
| 17:07:43 | | salut, seletz |
| 17:07:43 | seletz | Russ|werk: hi |
| 17:07:53 | | seletz: sorry... |
| 17:07:53 | seletz | ibot: gnarf |
| 17:07:56 | seletz | lol |
| 17:08:36 | seletz | urg |
| 17:09:15 | prpplague | hmm i wonder if its tuxscreen surgery or surgery on BZFlag ? |
| 17:09:35 | seletz | me too |
| 17:10:01 | seletz | hope the tuxscreen is the victim ... |
| 17:10:12 | BZFlagSurgery | had a cyst on my wrist removed. typing with one hand |
| 17:10:35 | seletz | that's bad |
| 17:11:12 | BZFlagSurgery | It had been buggin me for a while now. |
| 17:11:13 | seletz | humming "where have all the IRQs gone" .... |
| 17:11:46 | prpplague | BZFlagSurgery: should have come down to texas, i'd a cut it out for free |
| 17:11:54 | seletz | hope everything is ok now? |
| 17:12:01 | seletz | prpplague: doh .... |
| 17:12:03 | seletz | lol |
| 17:12:12 | prpplague | BZFlagSurgery: no lasting effects? |
| 17:15:18 | BZFlagSurgery | just need some healing time. should be no big deal. |
| 17:19:39 | Russ|werk | prpplague: its called triad electronics, its a local shop |
| 17:27:33 | seletz | Russ|werk: do they BGA chips? |
| 17:30:02 | prpplague | Russ|werk: http://www.triadelectronic.com/contact.html ??? |
| 17:31:22 | prpplague | mmatten|home: wb |
| 17:31:35 | prpplague | hmm, i wonder where erikm has been lately |
| 17:31:45 | prpplague | maybe he got tired of all the questions |
| 17:32:36 | seletz | i guess he's very busy with his new job |
| 17:33:40 | prpplague | seletz: erikm got a new job? whats he doing now? |
| 17:34:02 | seletz | prpplague: unix development |
| 17:34:13 | seletz | mmatten|home: do you remember the URL? |
| 17:34:19 | mmatten|home | ehm lemme thikn |
| 17:34:29 | seletz | www.bitwizard.com ? |
| 17:34:34 | seletz | .nl? |
| 17:35:02 | seletz | no |
| 17:35:02 | mmatten|home | http://www.bitwizard.nl |
| 17:35:31 | prpplague | nice |
| 17:35:31 | mmatten|home | thats the one |
| 17:35:37 | seletz | ah, yes |
| 17:35:59 | mmatten|home | well i guess they do better coding then webdesign :) |
| 17:36:13 | seletz | hope so |
| 17:36:14 | seletz | lol |
| 17:36:27 | prpplague | always glad to see ppl making money supporting *nix |
| 17:37:08 | seletz | well, actually asit looks now apple is making big $$ with unix now ... |
| 17:43:55 | prpplague | i don't know about you guys, but i don't think someone could pay me enough to do legacy unix to linux migrations on a daily basis |
| 17:44:36 | seletz | prpplague: oh well .... why not? |
| 17:44:49 | seletz | prpplague: you have to charge just enough. |
| 17:45:46 | mmatten|home | 'enough' is a very flexible amount of money it seems :) |
| 17:46:52 | seletz | yup |
| 17:47:40 | seletz | the exact amount of 'enough' is to be determined _after_ looking _very_ close at the source to port. |
| 17:53:59 | mmatten|home | well if the code gets _too_ evil... well at some point the self-preservation instinct will overcome capitalism :) |
| 17:55:09 | prpplague | for me its a bordom factor, reading through 20 year old scripts with no comments gets boring quick |
| 17:56:09 | seletz | prpplague: ya, that's a BIG point. boring work isn't worth doing for long. |
| 17:56:57 | seletz | prpplague: that's why i quit my last job and now run my own buisness and do LINUX. Because its fun. And i get money of it. |
| 17:57:44 | mmatten|home | :] |
| 17:57:48 | prpplague | :) |
| 17:59:40 | seletz | argl |
| 17:59:48 | seletz | SIGG.... |
| 18:00:03 | mmatten|home | a sec seletz |
| 18:00:10 | seletz | mh? |
| 18:00:28 | seletz | 10 |
| 18:00:31 | seletz | 9 |
| 18:00:33 | seletz | 8 |
| 18:00:34 | mmatten|home | we gonna eat tomorrow evening as well ? coz i'll stay at work then until we leave... |
| 18:00:35 | seletz | 7 |
| 18:00:50 | seletz | mmatten|home: ya, zapatas |
| 18:00:59 | mmatten|home | because i don't think i'll get up earlt on thursday :) |
| 18:01:11 | mmatten|home | s/earlt/early |
| 18:01:31 | seletz | mmatten|home: sure .... |
| 18:01:32 | mmatten|home | -_- <-coding like this won't work :) |
| 18:01:41 | seletz | lol |
| 18:01:55 | seletz | ok, i'm off |
| 18:01:57 | seletz | see ya |
| 18:02:00 | mmatten|home | k see ya |
| 18:03:16 | prpplague | later |
| 18:07:37 | Russ|werk | prpplague: that would be them |
| 18:07:42 | Russ|werk | I think they do bga |
| 18:10:23 | prpplague | Russ|werk: didn't they do you bga package on the sa-1110 ? |
| 18:10:31 | prpplague | s/you/your |
| 18:12:54 | Russ|werk | I have an sa-1100 board with a QFP-208 |
| 18:13:14 | prpplague | Russ|werk: doh, for some reason i though you had sa-1110 |
| 18:13:52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, are the sa-1100's still readly available? |
| 18:35:58 | Russ|werk | seems to be |
| 18:36:13 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, do you have contact there? seems that they are giving me the run around |
| 18:36:57 | Russ|werk | I have the cell phone numbers of both owners |
| 18:37:31 | prpplague | lol, i'd say that is a good contact |
| 18:37:34 | Russ|werk | (the owners are curtis and nhu if you are looking at the contact page) |
| 18:38:41 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya, the bimbo at the switch says they won't be back till tomorrow |
| 18:38:59 | prpplague | ohh well, i'll try again tomorrow |
| 18:39:14 | prpplague | Russ|werk: did they provide the parts as well? |
| 18:39:24 | prpplague | Russ|werk: or did you purchase them serperatly? |
| 18:43:10 | mmatten|music | later |
| 18:49:36 | Russ|werk | they located the parts |
| 18:53:44 | prpplague | Russ|werk: just got off the phone with curtis |
| 18:54:01 | prpplague | Russ|werk: looks like thats where i want to do biz |
| 18:54:19 | prpplague | Russ|werk: btw, he says they can bga's no problem |
| 18:55:35 | prpplague | Russ|werk: thanks |
| 19:14:24 | Russ|werk | ya, he just called me |
| 19:17:40 | prpplague | Russ|werk: and complain about me droping your name? |
| 19:18:53 | prpplague | Russ|werk: well if they work out, i'd rather send them all the stuff we've been doing overseas |
| 19:35:20 | Russ|werk | cool deal |
| 19:35:29 | Russ|werk | I do layouts for them occasionaly |
| 19:55:35 | prpplague | Russ|werk: http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/images/hack-kit.jpg |
| 20:18:34 | prpplague | Russ|werk: that feasible? |
| 20:40:36 | Russ|werk | might not be the best way to lay it out, but probably |
| 20:40:54 | Russ|werk | and I've give more room the the ps |
| 21:01:11 | prpplague | Russ|werk: the ps is just a connector for 3.3v and 5v |
| 21:01:48 | prpplague | Russ|werk: it'll be a learning experience |
| 21:02:29 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm just doodling ideas right now |
| 22:03:48 | russ_ | EA |
| 22:03:50 | russ_ | CRAP |
| 22:04:00 | russ_ | nm |
| 22:04:28 | prpplague | doh |
| 22:21:30 | prpplague | wb |
| 22:21:45 | prpplague | later |
