08:30:12 | mmatten | hi |
08:57:47 | seletz | hi all |
09:02:57 | Sammy | howdy seletz :) |
10:07:18 | seletz_ | grrr |
10:07:32 | seletz_ | network hiccups |
10:08:26 | seletz_ | I've added a BLOB FAQ section on my web page. Perhaps that will help some people on the LAK list... |
10:08:58 | seletz_ | URL: http://www.eletztrick.de it's in the FAQ section. |
10:09:14 | seletz_ | comments welcome :) |
10:09:31 | seletz_ | (and contributions too :P) |
10:21:50 | seletz_ | ff |
11:47:38 | amrutha | hai seletz!! |
11:48:32 | amrutha | had a clarification to be made.. |
12:49:15 | seletz | hi |
12:49:21 | seletz | is back |
14:16:07 | amrutha | seletz: you there? |
14:34:50 | seletz | yup |
15:30:28 | seletz | prpplague: hi |
15:39:13 | prpplague | seletz: morning |
16:05:49 | seletz | prpplague: still interested in sa1110 based boards? |
16:10:22 | prpplague | seletz: ya, why you got a couple? |
16:12:10 | seletz | one moment pls |
16:16:08 | prpplague | waits |
16:16:59 | seletz | prpplague: no, but I'm thinking about building some :) |
16:18:58 | prpplague | seletz: i'm gaming |
16:19:25 | prpplague | seletz: i'm just now learning so anything i could do to get in on it would be great |
16:20:05 | seletz | prpplague: pardon me? |
16:20:53 | prpplague | seletz: oops, i meant "i'm game" what kinda boards are you looking to build? |
16:21:51 | seletz | prpplague: well, base board sa1110 w/o sa1111 tiny. then extension boards, and maybe some sort of carrier board. |
16:22:24 | prpplague | seletz: sounds great |
16:22:32 | prpplague | seletz: target cost for the base board? |
16:22:32 | seletz | prpplague: those extension boards could be some NICs, or parallel ports, or serial ports |
16:23:13 | seletz | prpplague: well, that depends on what ppl are willing to pay :^) |
16:23:33 | prpplague | gotcha |
16:23:56 | prpplague | seletz: i'm wiling to pay $39.95, what will that get me?lol |
16:24:37 | prpplague | seletz: ok so what kinda specs are you talking on the base board? |
16:25:39 | seletz | prpplague: SA1111, flash, RAM, CF slot. Serial port. Base connector to carrier board or sandwitch-type extension boards. |
16:26:15 | seletz | prpplague: all gpios accessible through connectors. |
16:26:34 | seletz | s/SA1111/SA1110/ :( |
16:27:26 | prpplague | seletz: what about leaving the CF off, and creating an addon board to support pcmcia or cf? |
16:28:50 | seletz | prpplague: well, that would need a SA1111 on that board (due to PCMCIA). SA1110 has CF builtin. Could place the connector on the carrier board tho. Or make a _simple_ extension board. |
16:30:07 | seletz | prpplague: really depends on what customers need. The idea is to have a base CPU board which is just enough to get Linux running. |
16:30:31 | seletz | prpplague: and to have all GPIO signals accessible. |
16:32:27 | prpplague | seletz: what about using a clpd6722 for pcmcia on a secondary board? |
16:33:41 | seletz | prpplague: this would mean that one cannot use the linux/drivers/sa1111-generic.c |
16:34:03 | seletz | prpplague: but well, if one would request that ... |
16:34:25 | seletz | prpplague: your idea is to get rid of the buggy SA1111? |
16:35:16 | prpplague | seletz: just tossing around ideas |
16:36:24 | seletz | prpplague: the point is: Once you have a CPU board that runs linux, everything else can attached afterwards. Get simple parts of hardware which can be debugged separate. |
16:40:01 | prpplague | seletz: agreed, its just that pcmcia is such a big portion of the items i work with |
16:41:12 | seletz | googleing |
16:44:34 | seletz | prpplague: so PCMCIA is a must-have for you? |
16:45:51 | prpplague | seletz: not a must, but definetly a + |
16:46:35 | seletz | prpplague: ok, so a add-on board will do. |
16:48:19 | seletz | prpplague: ok, now let's assume that you'd get a CPU board with flash, ram dan serial I/O, and a PCMCIA add-on board. How many of these would you probably need? |
16:50:20 | prpplague | seletz: assuming we could easily create a case and add a lcd/ts all less than $1k we could probably move around 500-100 per year |
16:50:27 | prpplague | 500-1000 that is |
16:51:16 | prpplague | more if we market it right |
16:52:26 | seletz | prpplague: ok, good. I'll contact some people and we'll look further. |
16:53:40 | seletz | prpplague: btw, that was about hardware. Do you need a running linux? What about drivers (PCMCIA, LCD, NICs)? |
16:55:08 | prpplague | seletz: the company i work for is unlikely to pay for drivers. they'd want to use the in-house resources for that |
16:55:30 | prpplague | seletz: our big thing is production of hardware |
16:55:50 | seletz | prpplague: ok, fine. Basic linux support is needed tho? |
16:56:31 | prpplague | seletz: we'd hope that linux was running on the board, but if not we can work on that as well |
16:57:04 | seletz | well, ok. |
16:57:08 | prpplague | seletz: hang on let me get a url |
16:57:13 | seletz | fine :) |
16:58:49 | prpplague | seletz: http://home.intermec.com/eprise/main/Intermec/Content/Products/Products_ShowDetail?section=Products&Product=CMPTR700&Category=CMPTR&Family=CMPTR2 |
16:59:06 | prpplague | seletz: we need something like that without the $3k price tag |
16:59:17 | seletz | looking |
17:00:30 | prpplague | seletz: if you ca build that you'll make a million in the accounting/inventory/warehousing inductry |
17:00:38 | prpplague | industry |
17:00:54 | seletz | got you. |
17:00:58 | seletz | i see ..... |
17:02:12 | prpplague | seletz: i've tried to get intermec to work with me, but they aren't interested in "hobby o/s's" |
17:02:20 | prpplague | i.e.linux |
17:02:50 | seletz | prpplague: these things are $3k _each_? Base package, no bloetooth i assume? |
17:03:02 | seletz | s/bloe/blue/ |
17:03:14 | seletz | they're cute, tho. |
17:03:25 | prpplague | seletz: and no software |
17:03:31 | prpplague | seletz: the software is extra |
17:03:36 | seletz | argl?? |
17:03:43 | seletz | whoops |
17:03:47 | seletz | $++ |
17:03:51 | prpplague | seletz: i.e. os, terminal app, tcp/ip support |
17:04:02 | seletz | _grin_ |
17:04:14 | seletz | ok, let's beat them |
17:04:38 | prpplague | seletz: when all is said and done to get everything you need your talking $5-6k |
17:04:55 | prpplague | seletz: sounds good to me |
17:05:31 | prpplague | seletz: so how about i do a write up of what kind of hw requirements we need? |
17:05:52 | seletz | prpplague: i even know people who make rapid-prototyping cases on a under 1000 unit base... |
17:06:07 | prpplague | seletz: that would be awesome |
17:06:19 | seletz | prpplague: yes, please. url: http://www.eletztrick.de |
17:06:48 | prpplague | bookmarks |
17:06:57 | seletz | prpplague: this is my low-content big-style web-page (as of now) |
17:07:15 | prpplague | seletz: you've seen my page right? |
17:07:25 | prpplague | seletz: http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux |
17:07:36 | prpplague | seletz: soon to be http://www.small-linux.com |
17:07:44 | prpplague | seletz: talk about big style!lol |
17:07:55 | seletz | bookmarking and back-linking |
17:08:41 | seletz | lol |
17:08:51 | seletz | get registered! get free beer! |
17:09:21 | prpplague | free beer? where? |
17:09:23 | prpplague | lol |
17:11:31 | seletz | prpplague: ok, serious: That's definitely worth looking further into. Are there any competitors in the market you know of? |
17:14:20 | prpplague | seletz: symbol and intermec are the only two that are producing that type of product and they are all over $2000 |
17:14:30 | prpplague | seletz: base price |
17:14:45 | seletz | ok |
17:14:47 | seletz | good |
17:16:52 | seletz | calling some ppl |
17:17:51 | prpplague | starts specs |
17:22:29 | seletz | ok, i only got a mobile box, but left a detailed message. I'll get a call during this evening. |
17:22:49 | seletz | getting caffeine |
17:37:17 | seletz | boo |
17:42:35 | prpplague | ekk |
17:53:29 | seletz | are you alive? |
17:53:50 | seletz | network hiccups |
18:19:59 | prpplague | seletz: ya still here |
18:20:15 | prpplague | seletz: boss i hammering me about wm for aquapad |
18:36:16 | seletz | prpplague: btw, do you know what's up with erik? |
18:36:25 | | erikm was last seen on #blob 20 hours, 36 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: prpplague: (that's what somebody on the LART list told) [Sun Mar 10 21:59:36 2002] |
18:36:25 | seletz | ibot: seen erikm? |
18:53:24 | prpplague | seletz: no why? i talked a little with him saturday |
18:54:28 | seletz | prpplague: ah, ok... last week he was'nt around often. Just curious. |
18:57:40 | prpplague | seletz: i think he was putting on a dog and pony show for someone |
19:28:12 | seletz | ok, i'm off now |
19:28:26 | seletz | getting some rest |