| 15:35:39 | erikm | hello RUsses |
| 18:29:49 | Russ | 'ello |
| 18:37:59 | erikm | hiya Russ, prpplague, BZFlag |
| 18:38:24 | prpplague | howdy erikm |
| 18:38:34 | prpplague | erikm: working hard or hardly working? |
| 18:39:19 | erikm | trying to do something today, but got distracted by too many other urgent thing |
| 18:45:54 | erikm | (like getting the uni to host nl.linux.org) |
| 19:01:30 | erikm | all: please take care of the global notices from lilo |
| 19:13:17 | prpplague | erikm: thanks for the reminder |
| 19:13:48 | erikm | prpplague: that's also why I OP'ed myself and set a channel limit |
| 20:00:24 | erikm | Russ, BZFlag: how do you two think about giving Chris Hoover CVS write access? |
| 20:08:16 | BZFlag | erikm: I'm all for enabling people to contribute. |
| 20:08:38 | BZFlag | cvs access can be revoked at anytime... ;-) |
| 20:09:28 | BZFlag | when I add people I send them basic ground rules. #1 don't leave cvs broken... etc. I prefer large changes to get reviewed first (well, when not done by a project lead) |
| 20:10:00 | BZFlag | that's why I put Russ's jffs2 stuff up as a patch first. I've been meaning to incorporate your changes etc... |
| 20:10:11 | BZFlag | with the Z release I've just been over-swamped. |
| 20:10:27 | erikm | BZFlag: ok. |
| 20:10:43 | erikm | BZFlag: well, I also get overswamped by his patches, and they all look OK to me |
| 20:11:25 | erikm | BZFlag: (what's the Z release, btw?) |
| 20:11:38 | BZFlag | agreed. it's a Good Thing to get patch review early on, then cvs write after they are shown to be on course. ;-) |
| 20:11:42 | BZFlag | zaurus |
| 20:12:08 | erikm | BZFlag: sorry, for my ignorance, but what's zaurus? |
| 20:12:46 | BZFlag | oh, sorry.. Sharp Zaurus handheld. Lineo did the OS work, I'm now the kernel maintainer tasked with cleaning it up. |
| 20:12:59 | BZFlag | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 20:14:02 | BZFlag | much talk in #zaurus. it's a sa1110 16M/32M for $400 (consumer will be 16M/64M) that includes a blueberry style keyboard. |
| 20:14:12 | erikm | looks cool |
| 20:14:27 | BZFlag | it's nice. course no blob yet. =( |
| 20:14:41 | BZFlag | if I get jtag I will do a blob/jffs2 setup. |
| 20:14:50 | erikm | hehe :) |
| 20:15:03 | erikm | what bootloader do they use right now? |
| 20:15:41 | BZFlag | partitions: angel monitor + cf updater + diag + kernel + cramfs + angel partiton table. |
| 20:15:59 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: don't forget about cramfs |
| 20:16:14 | BZFlag | blob with ide code + jffs2 would save close to 2M of flash. |
| 20:16:29 | Russ|werk | altough, there are two alternate ways to load a kernel from cramfs |
| 20:16:41 | Russ|werk | either a file within the fs, or an attached file |
| 20:16:41 | erikm | BZFlag: cool, let's do it :) |
| 20:16:45 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: I'd just convert to jffs2 |
| 20:16:59 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: larger kernel, larger image, slower boot |
| 20:17:16 | BZFlag | which? |
| 20:17:21 | Russ|werk | jffs2 |
| 20:17:30 | Russ|werk | cramfs has a very near zero mount time |
| 20:18:05 | Russ|werk | it also comes with a crc for the entire image for free |
| 20:18:23 | BZFlag | the Z is designed to be always on so boot time is not real relevant, and we want to get jffs2 working on SD cards so that needs to be there anyway |
| 20:18:55 | Russ|werk | if a uncompressed kernel is loaded from a cramfs, it will boot pretty quick |
| 20:19:11 | Russ|werk | jffs2 really doesn't make sense in production for me |
| 20:19:20 | BZFlag | agreed, but as I said not much of an issue. |
| 20:19:40 | BZFlag | I plan to have jffs2 mounted readonly for the consumer model. we'll see if it happens or not |
| 20:19:57 | Russ|werk | then why not use cramfs? |
| 20:20:02 | erikm | BZFlag: I think that doesn't make sense. cramfs is much smaller |
| 20:20:11 | Russ|werk | erikm: not that much |
| 20:20:13 | BZFlag | I think the consumer should be able to remove opera and/or the JVM if they want to. |
| 20:20:17 | Russ|werk | erikm: 5-10% |
| 20:20:40 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: I'm talking about a device that has 2M of flash |
| 20:20:55 | BZFlag | ah. agreed. the Z has 16M |
| 20:21:13 | erikm | Russ|werk: NESA has only 2M flash? |
| 20:21:19 | Russ|werk | erikm: production will |
| 20:21:24 | Russ|werk | the prototypes have 4M |
| 20:21:26 | erikm | Russ|werk: 'k |
| 20:21:40 | Russ|werk | if we go for ICSA, we might put 16M-32M in there to store the logs |
| 20:22:00 | BZFlag | CF slot? |
| 20:23:01 | Russ|werk | no, just bigger flash chips |
| 20:26:23 | BZFlag | k. |
| 20:26:26 | BZFlag | to work... |
| 22:55:00 | erikm | cya |