| 02:46:14 | aaa78210 | hi |
| 03:27:03 | | blob is the Boot Loader OBject |
| 03:27:03 | Russ | ibot1: blob? |
| 03:27:07 | Russ | lxrbot: blob? |
| 03:27:07 | lxrbot | russ: i don't know |
| 03:27:17 | Russ | lxrbot: blob is the Boot Loader OBject |
| 03:27:20 | Russ | blob? |
| 03:27:20 | lxrbot | somebody said blob was the Boot Loader OBject |
| 03:30:11 | | That must have hurt... |
| 03:30:11 | Russ | ibot1: Doh! |
| 03:31:00 | Russ | gets himself into trouble |
| 03:31:05 | | lxrbot: recurse |
| 03:31:05 | Russ | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:31:05 | | lxrbot: recurse |
| 03:31:05 | lxrbot | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:31:05 | | lxrbot: recurse |
| 03:31:05 | lxrbot | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:31:06 | | lxrbot: recurse |
| 03:31:06 | lxrbot | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:31:06 | | lxrbot: recurse |
| 03:31:06 | lxrbot | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:31:07 | | lxrbot: recurse |
| 03:31:07 | lxrbot | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:31:07 | | lxrbot: recurse |
| 03:31:07 | lxrbot | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:31:08 | | lxrbot: recurse |
| 03:31:08 | lxrbot | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:31:10 | | lxrbot: recurse |
| 03:31:10 | lxrbot | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:31:12 | | lxrbot: huh? |
| 03:31:12 | lxrbot | ibot1: recurse |
| 03:38:59 | | ...but this is a very important quest you're starting| ibot's boom stick.... |
| 03:38:59 | Russ | ibot1: this is that |
| 03:39:13 | | Russ: I forgot this |
| 03:39:13 | Russ | ibot1 forget this |
| 03:39:14 | | OK, Russ. |
| 03:39:14 | Russ | ibot1: this is that |
| 03:39:22 | Russ | lxrbot: that is this |
| 03:39:29 | | this is that |
| 03:39:29 | Russ | ibot1: this |
| 03:50:17 | | sammy: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:50:17 | Sammy | ibot1: that ? |
| 03:50:23 | | Sammy: excuse me? |
| 03:50:23 | Sammy | ibot1: that ] |
| 03:50:27 | | Sammy: huh? |
| 03:50:27 | Sammy | ibot1: that |
| 03:51:03 | Sammy | lxrbot : this |
| 03:51:18 | Sammy | lxrbot : that |
| 03:51:18 | lxrbot | that is this |
| 03:51:25 | Sammy | lxrbot : this |
| 03:51:35 | | somebody said this was that |
| 03:51:35 | Sammy | ibot1 : this |
| 03:52:31 | Sammy | lxrbot : that |
| 03:52:32 | lxrbot | that is this |
| 03:52:47 | | Sammy: excuse me? |
| 03:52:47 | Sammy | ibot1 : that |
| 03:53:27 | | OK, Sammy. |
| 03:53:27 | Sammy | ibot1 : lxrbot say that is this |
| 03:53:32 | | Sammy: sorry... |
| 03:53:32 | Sammy | ibot1 : that |
| 03:53:46 | | sammy: no idea |
| 03:53:46 | Sammy | ibot1 : that ? |
| 03:53:54 | | rumour has it this is that |
| 03:53:54 | Sammy | ibot1 : this |
| 03:54:06 | | Sammy: i'm not following you... |
| 03:54:06 | Sammy | ibot1 : that |
| 03:54:48 | | lxrbot is my fellow bot. he knows a lot about the linux kernel and normally lives on #kernelnewbies. |
| 03:54:48 | Sammy | ibot1 : lxrbot |
| 03:54:57 | | Sammy: huh? |
| 03:54:57 | Sammy | ibot1 : lxrbot say |
| 03:55:27 | | OK, Sammy. |
| 03:55:27 | Sammy | ibot1 : that is ask lxrbot |
| 03:55:35 | | i heard that was ask lxrbot |
| 03:55:35 | Sammy | ibot1 : that |
| 03:55:49 | | Sammy: I forgot that |
| 03:55:49 | Sammy | ibot1 : forget that |
| 03:56:18 | | Sammy: i'm not following you... |
| 03:56:18 | Sammy | ibot1 : ibot + 1 |
| 03:56:43 | | OK, Sammy. |
| 03:56:43 | Sammy | ibot1 : ibot + 1 is ibot1 |
| 03:56:47 | | somebody said ibot + 1 was ibot1 |
| 03:56:47 | Sammy | ibot1 : ibot + 1 |
| 03:57:34 | Sammy | Russ: how to test your touchpanel driver ? |
| 04:19:10 | Russ | kinda difficult |
| 04:20:35 | Russ | don't really deal with userspace very much |
| 04:46:00 | Sammy | Russ: ok that's the problem , now I include the driver like you say , but I don't know is that really support , |
| 04:46:56 | Sammy | Russ: how do you do to let the Tux toy touchpanel support ? |
| 04:48:03 | Sammy | maybe I can do something like that , because I don't really know how to get into driver debug ? |
| 04:49:21 | Sammy | is that some App or something like that to use ? or I can run qt app to test that ? |
| 04:51:20 | Sammy | what you say ? suggest ? |
| 05:32:05 | Russ | ask in #tuxscreen |
| 17:19:05 | | sammy_wms was last seen on #blob 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot1: seen sammy_wms ? [Thu Dec 27 17:19:05 2001] |
| 17:19:05 | sammy_wms | ibot1: seen sammy_wms ? |
| 20:29:51 | seletz_ | Hi all, and Merry Christmas (a bit late, tough :) |
| 20:34:38 | prpplague | howdy seletz_ |
| 20:34:47 | prpplague | what are you upto? |
| 20:34:57 | seletz_ | Hi ya! |
| 20:35:14 | seletz_ | Well, sitting in front of an tv and chatting at #blob |
| 20:35:21 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:35:22 | seletz_ | :) |
| 20:35:51 | seletz_ | hmmm, guessed no-one is on #blob now, but alas ... |
| 20:36:35 | seletz_ | did you surrive christmas well? |
| 20:37:38 | seletz_ | checking out sf.net patches ... |
| 20:37:54 | prpplague | ya problems on my end |
| 20:40:29 | prpplague | still has not heard back from roland |
| 20:40:49 | seletz_ | ARGH. |
| 20:40:57 | prpplague | see your not even in the office, and i'm harassing you!lol |
| 20:41:13 | seletz_ | Well, you did not hear from me, too. |
| 20:41:27 | prpplague | i figured i'd send him a couple of emails after the first |
| 20:41:32 | prpplague | of jan |
| 20:41:48 | seletz_ | Ok, i _have_ thought of some numbers. |
| 20:42:19 | prpplague | like $25 ? |
| 20:42:30 | prpplague | has a bad sense of humor |
| 20:43:16 | seletz_ | No, like some $750 to $1000 :) |
| 20:44:06 | prpplague | thats not too bad |
| 20:44:21 | seletz_ | BUT beware. This is all on a, erm, quite instable guessing-like numbers :) |
| 20:44:35 | prpplague | np |
| 20:44:59 | seletz_ | AND: Im now in middle of getting a buisness of my own. |
| 20:45:18 | prpplague | i see, embedded consulting? |
| 20:46:30 | seletz_ | Erm, yes, one _might_ call it consulting. |
| 20:46:47 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:47:01 | prpplague | well the best of luck to ya |
| 20:47:12 | prpplague | every been in biz for yourself? |
| 20:47:20 | seletz_ | We're going to get deeply into linux kernel developing, custom drivers etc. in the StrongARM environment. |
| 20:47:38 | prpplague | thats really cool |
| 20:47:43 | seletz_ | well, yes, im on my own since april (dont laugh.) |
| 20:48:13 | seletz_ | but a friend of mine (well, he's my ex-boss :) is on his own since |
| 20:48:25 | seletz_ | well, long enough i think, |
| 20:48:51 | prpplague | nice, a word of advice, don't try to do everything, do what do best, and hire/pay someone for everything else |
| 20:49:18 | seletz_ | (my ex-boss was so scared when i quit my last job that he decided to quit too. and then we did a couple of SW projects together) |
| 20:49:29 | prpplague | i.e. pay someone to do your books |
| 20:50:06 | seletz_ | i did that since april, because i'm too lazy to do this. one has to know himself ... |
| 20:50:36 | seletz_ | I try to concentrate on _work_ |
| 20:50:43 | prpplague | i've had two biz's which i sold for pretty good $$ |
| 20:50:45 | seletz_ | i.e. sw developing. |
| 20:50:58 | prpplague | i learned the hard way about trying to do everything |
| 20:51:18 | seletz_ | tell me... (please?) |
| 20:51:56 | prpplague | oh, i tried to save money by doing alot of the work, sales, the books, advertising, purchasing |
| 20:52:06 | seletz_ | _ugh_ |
| 20:52:30 | prpplague | before long i was spending more time doing the things i wasn't good at than what i was good at |
| 20:53:26 | prpplague | came to my senses and hire 4 people to do those jobs, doubled my profit in 3 months due to the fact i could concentrate on my work |
| 20:53:46 | prpplague | (and they could concentrate on theirs) |
| 20:53:58 | seletz_ | Ok, i learned a lot on my last job. There were too many who were into marketing, sales, design, talk, managing, commiting meetings. No-one did the real work. To be honest, i wanted to get rid-off tese parts of the buisness and get it done by people who learned how to do this. |
| 20:56:00 | seletz_ | but hey, i'm new to this whole bunch of buisness-stuff. just now i'm trying to learn as much i can 'bout linux and the kernel (and get someone to pay me $$ for this) |
| 20:56:50 | prpplague | i'm not saying go hog-wild on personell, even if you just get someone to come in a do your books once a week, you'll be much better off |
| 20:57:41 | prpplague | how many ppl you going to have? |
| 20:58:05 | seletz_ | well, i have. From start. Because i knew that i'm too lazy for doing this properly. |
| 20:58:36 | seletz_ | well, me, my ex-boss and a undergraduate who will do an internship. |
| 20:58:50 | prpplague | sounds like a winner |
| 20:58:58 | prpplague | wish you the best of luck dude |
| 20:59:00 | seletz_ | (hope so.) |
| 20:59:04 | seletz_ | :) |
| 20:59:29 | prpplague | you'll have to send me an email with all of your info in case i need your assitance |
| 21:00:04 | seletz_ | Well, you'll one of the first who know. |
| 21:00:16 | prpplague | cool |
| 21:00:59 | prpplague | feels provileged |
| 21:01:10 | prpplague | s/provileged/privileged |
| 21:01:14 | seletz_ | lol. |
| 21:02:05 | prpplague | so have you got some cool arm products to work on yet? |
| 21:02:33 | seletz_ | Well, yes. The "Pruftechnik Digital Board" and its successors |
| 21:03:03 | prpplague | cool, so you still get to work on it? |
| 21:03:18 | seletz_ | Yes, of course. |
| 21:03:33 | prpplague | cool |
| 21:03:35 | prpplague | http://www.voix.co.kr/english-mo-1.html |
| 21:03:40 | prpplague | check out that |
| 21:03:43 | seletz_ | This will be a whole line of products, all the same digital design, but different PCBs |
| 21:03:52 | prpplague | i'd like to see linux on that |
| 21:03:54 | seletz_ | checking out |
| 21:03:56 | prpplague | ohh cool |
| 21:04:33 | seletz_ | eeek! |
| 21:04:36 | seletz_ | eek! |
| 21:04:37 | prpplague | i can't wait to get my hands on one of the Pruftechnik board, maybe i should send roland an email now |
| 21:04:46 | seletz_ | eek! |
| 21:04:53 | prpplague | what? |
| 21:04:56 | seletz_ | WinCE |
| 21:05:10 | prpplague | yaya |
| 21:05:19 | prpplague | i mean i want it with linux |
| 21:05:34 | seletz_ | Ahhh. Thats cool. |
| 21:05:36 | seletz_ | :D |
| 21:06:08 | prpplague | i just want something with a pcmcia slot and a 640x480 display |
| 21:06:15 | seletz_ | About the PT boards: |
| 21:06:39 | prpplague | i'd like to get one of hnt's units but half the stuff i see, i can't get in the states |
| 21:06:52 | seletz_ | You have to consider that this one is the "first try" of a series of boards the 'll develop. |
| 21:08:01 | seletz_ | so, the design i work/develop with now is not worth a try IMHO. The HW guy is somewhat brain-damaged. |
| 21:08:47 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:09:03 | seletz_ | It needs atr last one iteration to be usable. Thats what they plan now for. This PCB will go into a handheld device (somewhat bigger palmtop). |
| 21:09:13 | seletz_ | Dont laugh. |
| 21:09:33 | seletz_ | First they considered WinCE on MIPS. |
| 21:09:56 | seletz_ | They did design as of now this way: |
| 21:10:14 | seletz_ | 1) design a bit of hardware |
| 21:10:34 | seletz_ | 2) design software for _this_ hw from ground up |
| 21:10:42 | seletz_ | 3) fiddle around |
| 21:10:48 | seletz_ | 4) more of (3) |
| 21:10:53 | prpplague | oversized pda? sounds great |
| 21:11:06 | seletz_ | then, when next product is to be done: goto (1) |
| 21:12:04 | seletz_ | well, it will be a measurement device to capture live FFTs, on a route. |
| 21:12:27 | prpplague | ya i think you mentioned that |
| 21:12:51 | prpplague | but re-design everything everytime? seems like a waste of skill and time |
| 21:13:02 | seletz_ | "condition monitoring" is the thing they do. Being able to predict machine failure and thus minimizing machine downtime (avin LOTS of $$) |
| 21:13:19 | seletz_ | Yeah! Exactly! |
| 21:13:35 | seletz_ | Thats the point i try to get into their heads. |
| 21:14:06 | seletz_ | Goal: one platform, running linux. use in _all_ products. |
| 21:14:22 | prpplague | thats creates long lead times for deployment |
| 21:14:39 | seletz_ | ? |
| 21:14:42 | prpplague | modularity and encapsulation |
| 21:15:11 | prpplague | sorry, have to redesign leads to long lead times for deployment into the field |
| 21:15:36 | seletz_ | well, once the considered to write a tcp stack from ground up (in assembly/C) for a NEC processor (yuck-bleah) |
| 21:15:56 | prpplague | ouch |
| 21:16:16 | seletz_ | yes, thats what roland thought when he came to pruftechnik. |
| 21:16:57 | seletz_ | Then he kicked all designs and said: "we now use Linux and OpenSoftware to shorten development time." |
| 21:17:08 | seletz_ | Then he hired me. |
| 21:17:15 | seletz_ | :) |
| 21:18:07 | seletz_ | But the HW developer i mentioned is still struck in the olt times. He wants the sw designed after the HW. We want the HW designed for Linux. |
| 21:18:33 | prpplague | bummer |
| 21:19:25 | seletz_ | we need a couple of, erm, development cycles more to get this strange concept into his head. |
| 21:20:36 | prpplague | good luck |
| 21:20:39 | seletz_ | If this doesnt solve the problem, well, then either Pruftechnik will have to drop its product plans or (which is more likely) drop this hw developer. |
| 21:21:49 | prpplague | did you guys look at this http://www.inhandelectronics.com/html/elf.html |
| 21:21:57 | seletz_ | Well, if i had more exp with this, i would try to get a design up myself. |
| 21:21:57 | prpplague | thats what i've been working on |
| 21:22:05 | seletz_ | checking out |
| 21:22:08 | prpplague | same here |
| 21:23:14 | seletz_ | cool board! How much $$ does it cost? |
| 21:23:28 | prpplague | in qty around $395 |
| 21:23:57 | prpplague | the elf-2 will be out in jan, which will be sa-1110 based with more memory and a video processor |
| 21:24:54 | prpplague | i've got linux running about 50% functional |
| 21:24:56 | seletz_ | (those who can read have an advantage in live, they say) |
| 21:25:30 | seletz_ | Video processor? VGA output? LCD? |
| 21:25:32 | prpplague | lol, everyone missing something on a webpage |
| 21:25:39 | prpplague | ya both |
| 21:26:38 | seletz_ | If you dont mind me asking, what is your job actually? |
| 21:32:30 | prpplague | hmm, my offical title is R&D manager |
| 21:32:56 | seletz_ | Woha. Sound impressive. |
| 21:33:10 | seletz_ | s/sound/sounds/g |
| 21:34:47 | prpplague | however my un-offcial title is "problem solver" |
| 21:35:02 | seletz_ | :D |
| 21:36:02 | prpplague | if something doesn't get fixed in a reasonable amount of time, they turn the problem over to me and my guys |
| 21:36:47 | seletz_ | ok, some sort of emergency mission critical "make this working" type of thing, no? |
| 21:36:53 | prpplague | our companys 5 year plan is not use any third party product that we don't have a strong role in the development/production of |
| 21:37:05 | prpplague | ya thats it |
| 21:37:55 | seletz_ | Hmm, good plan. Learn the tools you use or buld them. Hmmm. |
| 21:38:05 | seletz_ | s/buld/build/ |
| 21:39:40 | seletz_ | my plan for our development/production environment is to not use a non-open source product at all. |
| 21:44:26 | prpplague | we were using thin clients from maxspeed and wyse, however their products were unreliable and also were too complicated for our customer to install, so we began building our own thin client - http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3193512578.html |
| 21:47:45 | seletz_ | hmmm, looks cool. i once hacked an old sparc to act as a thin client. but it turned out to be too clumsy to use and to be too unresponsible/slow. Nowadays i tend to use a full PC/Workstation and NFS mout my dev environment. |
| 21:49:54 | prpplague | this is real easy, as it boots you have a chance to "press s for setup" you tell it where you want it to be a serial terminal, telnet/ssh terminal, or x-terminal |
| 21:50:05 | prpplague | put in your ip address and your done |
| 21:50:50 | seletz_ | hmm, you need a big fat server for a couple developers, no? |
| 21:51:30 | prpplague | well we use them for Point of Sale |
| 21:51:40 | prpplague | we sell an unix based accounting package |
| 21:51:56 | seletz_ | ah, ok. Thats cool. Linux-based? |
| 21:52:52 | prpplague | well...., its still SCO based, but we are slowly moving to linux, but we are having a hard time selling linux to our customers |
| 21:53:15 | seletz_ | Hmm, they actually care what type of OS? |
| 21:53:21 | prpplague | we get "its free, how good could it be if it is free" |
| 21:53:40 | prpplague | "we'd rather pay for a good operating system" |
| 21:53:42 | prpplague | doh |
| 21:53:48 | seletz_ | hmmm, sure. same over here. |
| 21:54:18 | prpplague | every time i hear that i want to bang my head on the wall |
| 21:55:02 | seletz_ | at the comp i quit from, the used rather an M$ IIS instead of apache. Argh. Because of "security" |
| 21:55:07 | prpplague | we though about just changing all the linux kernel boot text to say SCO |
| 21:55:22 | prpplague | doh |
| 21:56:29 | seletz_ | do that. noone wil notice the change. oh, wait ... |
| 22:06:12 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:06:17 | prpplague | might get caught |
| 22:06:27 | seletz_ | yup :) |
| 22:10:27 | prpplague | is ready to call it a day |
| 22:10:50 | seletz_ | oh, well. |
| 22:11:04 | seletz_ | have a nice (evening/day/morning) |
| 22:11:17 | prpplague | can't leave yet, still got two hours |
| 22:11:19 | prpplague | doh |
| 22:11:25 | seletz_ | :/ |
| 22:12:21 | seletz_ | is on #blob at OpenProjects too |
| 22:12:32 | seletz_ | wrong window. Doh. |
| 22:12:42 | seletz_ | ui. |
| 22:14:10 | prpplague | np |
| 22:17:52 | akira | puh |
| 22:18:23 | seletz_ | hi akira. |
| 22:18:28 | akira | hi |
| 22:20:09 | seletz_ | prpplague: akira is the guy who's going to have an internship at my new company. |
| 22:20:19 | akira | hi everyone |
| 22:20:29 | akira | noone with op in here ? |
| 22:20:35 | seletz_ | latency==big |
| 22:21:10 | seletz_ | no, erikm is not here now |
| 22:21:18 | seletz_ | ibot: seen erikm? |
| 22:21:24 | seletz_ | oops. |
| 22:21:32 | | erikm was last seen on #blob 7 days, 1 hours, 24 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: I'll answer chris message and also tell him (and you) my first impressions about the other patches [Thu Dec 20 20:56:40 2001] |
| 22:21:32 | seletz_ | ibot1: seen erikm? |
| 22:22:17 | seletz_ | oops, that's long. |
| 22:24:58 | Russ|werk | what are you trying to do with an op? |
| 22:25:17 | akira | me ? nothing :) |
| 22:25:47 | akira | just used to have a coupe of people in a channel with op to keep it secure |
| 22:26:24 | prpplague | howdy akira |
| 22:26:30 | akira | howdy :) |
| 22:26:40 | prpplague | sounds like your in for some fun |
| 22:27:28 | akira | depends on what kind of fun :) |
| 22:27:45 | seletz_ | man, fun==linux development, no? |
| 22:27:52 | seletz_ | :P |
| 22:28:14 | akira | i skipped the obvious :) |
| 22:28:20 | seletz_ | lol |
| 22:29:58 | akira | any channel rules in here ? like: no offtopic talk etc... |
| 22:32:45 | prpplague | seletz_: yes you have that right, i think at least twice a day " i can't believe someone is paying me to do this! |
| 22:33:19 | seletz_ | yes. I still have to convince myself bot this. |
| 22:34:55 | Russ|werk | its unmarkud ops |
| 22:36:32 | akira | i take that as a typo... |
| 22:36:39 | akira | coz i don't understand it :) |
| 22:46:56 | prpplague | akira: things are pretty smooth around here, the only thing that i know about is erikm really hate people using verbal "/away" functions |
| 22:47:39 | seletz_ | ugh |
| 22:47:48 | seletz_ | I've done that a lot |
| 22:48:16 | akira | i suppose he's referring to fancy colored spam scripts... |
| 22:48:34 | prpplague | that kinda stuff |
| 22:48:41 | akira | this should still be ok no ? |
| 22:49:37 | seletz_ | ich dachte ab februar. |
| 22:49:47 | seletz_ | again wrong window. |
| 22:49:51 | akira | :) |
| 22:49:55 | seletz_ | doh. |
| 23:04:50 | seletz_ | oh well, i got a SIGGIRLFRIEND over here .... |
| 23:06:46 | seletz_ | bye all |
| 23:07:04 | seletz_ | and a nice & happy new year to ya all! |
| 23:07:27 | akira | l8er :) |