| 00:39:46 | Sammy | hi |
| 02:36:04 | sammy | BZFlag : you check yet ? |
| 02:42:32 | BZFlag | nope. might not get to it tonight, next shipment goes outFriday morning. |
| 02:45:52 | sammy | ok , |
| 04:19:08 | sammy | lunch time... |
| 05:09:05 | sammy | is back ... |
| 05:18:11 | seletz | Good morning :) |
| 05:27:48 | sammy | evering seletz ... |
| 05:45:49 | seletz | sammy: how is it going with your LCD stuff? |
| 06:01:38 | sammy | now I am testing the code you write ,I try porting blob on some new board (SA-1110), and that board have LCD panel, but I need to read about some hardware about memory and LCD first ... |
| 06:01:52 | sammy | so nothing new still try ... |
| 06:06:19 | seletz | BZFlag: question about your TUX phone: do you ship to europe? Does it work with |
| 06:06:43 | seletz | BZFlag: German telephone system? |
| 06:10:36 | BZFlag | I do ship to europe. no idea if it works with the phone system. |
| 06:11:32 | sammy | seletz : are you a German ? |
| 06:12:29 | seletz | sammy: no, not really. I'm Austrian, but live & work in germany. |
| 06:13:29 | seletz | BZFlag: $99, yes? What's included? Can i just start developing? |
| 06:13:49 | sammy | your question I has asked the tim before ... |
| 06:13:49 | seletz | BZFlag: excl. schipping of course. |
| 06:14:16 | seletz | s/sch/sh/g |
| 06:14:17 | sammy | you can see here first ... |
| 06:14:42 | sammy | http://tuxscreen.sourceforge.net/wiki/view/Users/TimRiker |
| 06:14:50 | seletz | OK. |
| 06:14:54 | seletz | looking |
| 06:15:05 | sammy | I just order 5 to him yesterday ... |
| 06:17:20 | sammy | and if it can use in your phone system it's still a good develop platform |
| 06:17:26 | sammy | er can't |
| 06:18:28 | sammy | and so many stuff maintain by many people in #tuxscreen |
| 06:18:49 | seletz | sammy: 5 what the hell do you use _five_ devices for? building a TuxScreenCluster ? |
| 06:18:56 | seletz | :) |
| 06:19:43 | sammy | only I want is 2 , and the others is for some of my friend |
| 06:20:55 | sammy | I think this would not be the problem to get your Tux run in linux for you |
| 06:22:32 | seletz | Woha! US Postal Service is charging $31 for shipping to Germany! |
| 06:24:38 | sammy | if you know how much it charging to me , you will find out you are not the worst |
| 06:27:13 | seletz | sammy: where are you from? |
| 06:27:19 | sammy | taiwan |
| 06:27:34 | seletz | _ugh_ Ok, I believe you. |
| 06:27:39 | sammy | $80 for one |
| 06:29:25 | sammy | so tim must forgive me to use Economy (Surface) Parcel Post , I don't have any choose :-\ |
| 06:30:14 | sammy | I need to keep some $ to by PCMCIA card and etc... |
| 06:31:15 | sammy | er buy |
| 06:31:30 | sammy | and another keybord ... |
| 06:32:26 | sammy | start to ill-treat his keybord ... |
| 06:33:24 | BZFlag | sammy: no problem. I'll ship anyway you like, just as long as you are aware of how long it will take to get there. |
| 06:34:24 | sammy | BZFlag :is it 4~6 week ? right ? |
| 06:37:46 | sammy | I will accept it come before X'mas day , but hope not go through 2002... |
| 06:39:27 | seletz | BZFlag: Ok, i'll oreder one just for fun. Just have to wait for this damned paypal number mailed to me. grng. |
| 06:39:45 | seletz | s/oreder/order/g |
| 06:40:20 | seletz | BZFlag: hacking a phone with LCD running Linux. Cant wait :) |
| 12:22:03 | Sammy | what's going on witht the server ,not stable .... |
| 13:19:26 | sammy | erikm : is that PIC bus can control with CPLD ? |
| 13:21:17 | erikm | PIC bus? |
| 13:22:00 | sammy | because I don't have idea what the north bridge is ..so does my friend , but I still keep asking about this ...:-p |
| 13:22:33 | erikm | oh, PCI bus |
| 13:22:48 | sammy | sorry PCI bus right ... |
| 13:22:51 | erikm | has been too much into PIC controllers today |
| 13:23:30 | erikm | the north bridge is what in the PC world is usually called "chipset" |
| 13:24:19 | prpplague | likes PICS |
| 13:24:32 | sammy | but I saw all around the board and the manual today ,still don't know which chip like you say ... |
| 13:24:36 | erikm | prpplague: do you know if there is a gcc compiler for it? |
| 13:27:17 | prpplague | erikm: don't know, i've always used dos based compilers |
| 13:27:29 | erikm | prpplague: but I don't do dos :) |
| 13:28:34 | erikm | sammy: I can't help you with that. if you want to get PCI up, you need to understand PCI. |
| 13:28:35 | sammy | so I am curious what can PCI bus can do in embedded system ? |
| 13:28:47 | erikm | basically nothing |
| 13:28:59 | erikm | you really don't need PCI in an embedded system |
| 13:29:17 | sammy | or maybe use for develop something ? |
| 13:29:37 | erikm | no, also not. |
| 13:30:15 | erikm | doing PCI on a strongarm is possible, but it is a hack |
| 13:30:25 | erikm | especially the cache coherency is a great problem |
| 13:31:58 | sammy | so I really don't know some company in Taiwan always make the board but no use to sale it espensive... |
| 13:38:40 | prpplague | erikm: i always use Dr-Dos, but i haven't had time to play PICS in a long time |
| 13:39:13 | prpplague | erikm: i wish there were small SOC's that ran linux that were as easy to implement as PICs |
| 13:43:48 | sammy | but anyway , follow the way like erikm say , porting the blob on it is my interesting thing's to do right now... ^_^ |
| 13:46:27 | prpplague | welcome back |
| 14:03:01 | prpplague | erikm: is a sa-1100 based board like the lart pretty easy to build? |
| 14:14:43 | prpplague | erikm: don't suppose you have a job in the UK for a linux/arm wannabie? |
| 14:34:30 | erikm | returns |
| 14:35:38 | erikm | prpplague: ok, this is something we don't want everybody to know: it is possible to hand solder a sa-1100 |
| 14:37:58 | prpplague | erikm: cool |
| 14:38:30 | erikm | prpplague: we've done a couple of lart boards ourselves, but you need pretty expensive equipment to do it |
| 14:38:32 | prpplague | erikm: i really need to order a lart |
| 14:38:55 | erikm | prpplague: that's why we don't tell it on the mailing list, cause otherwise people start doing it themselves and *will* fail |
| 14:39:14 | prpplague | erikm: ya i know, soldering is an art form |
| 14:39:29 | erikm | prpplague: especially 0.6mm pitch... |
| 14:44:55 | prpplague | erikm: i'd like to see a set of components that you could put together easily to create a sa system, maybe mount the sa-1100 on a pcb with larger solder points |
| 14:46:58 | prpplague | maybe a 5x7 pcb with generic solder points where you could drop your flash in, ram, cf or pcmcia, kinda a "do-it-yourself" kit |
| 14:48:58 | erikm | prpplague: it's not the solder points. it's the 0.6 mm pitch of those components |
| 14:49:11 | erikm | prpplague: everything is surface mounted |
| 14:49:25 | erikm | prpplague: quite hard to do with proper tools |
| 14:49:50 | erikm | s/with/without/ |
| 14:52:04 | erikm | prpplague: you need a soldering station with micro reflow tips, ESR safe work area, reflow oven, flux remover, ultrasonic cleaning equipment. etc. |
| 14:52:15 | erikm | prpplague: we're talking at least 5000 euro over here |
| 16:29:16 | prpplague | erikm: back to what is was talking about on the modular board... |
| 16:30:16 | prpplague | erikm: i just mean to take a 5x7 pcb and put just the basics on it (i.e. cpu,flash,ram) then everything else would be large bread board type grids |
| 16:30:51 | erikm | oh, like that |
| 16:31:16 | erikm | prpplague: well, make a KSB like daughterboard for LART with a bread board on it |
| 16:31:33 | prpplague | erikm: ya that would do nicely |
| 16:32:16 | prpplague | erikm: guess i need to not buy beer for a month and save my money for a LART |
| 16:33:10 | erikm | heh :) |
| 16:57:22 | sammy_ | night all |
| 18:29:44 | erikm | hehe: http://www.cfug.org/Taliban_Telemarketer.mp3 |
| 19:20:01 | prpplague | erikm: up late tonight? |
| 19:20:21 | erikm | yeah |
| 19:20:31 | erikm | it's only 22:25 over here |
| 19:20:51 | prpplague | oh well thats not too late |
| 19:52:46 | erikm | compares a couple of flash partitioning schemes |
| 19:57:23 | erikm | thinks a combination of redboot and bootldr |
| 19:58:56 | prpplague | if someone doesn't bet me to it, i'm going to try and add xmodem support |
| 19:59:05 | erikm | prpplague: go ahead |
| 20:01:25 | prpplague | assume i get a free moment to do it... |
| 20:02:54 | erikm | prpplague: that's my problem as well. it doesn't have my priority right now, good flash code and flash partitioning are currently more important |
| 20:03:15 | erikm | prpplague: with those two parameter block support gets a lot easier, and with that network booting |
| 20:05:35 | prpplague | erikm: i use networking booting for thin clients, but what kind of things will be using netboot on arm? |
| 20:10:04 | erikm | prpplague: nice for development: tftp kernel 3... 2... 1... done |
| 20:12:42 | BZFlag | prpplague: why not zmodem instead? |
| 20:13:08 | erikm | BZFlag: that doesn't help you that much |
| 20:13:31 | BZFlag | could do auto dl then ;-) |
| 20:13:54 | erikm | BZFlag: ehm, yes. that would need a major rewrite for the command line parser. not worth it |
| 20:14:14 | BZFlag | I figure zboot (yopy) has it, lrzsz works on arm, and both are GPLed, so might as well, no? |
| 20:14:39 | BZFlag | even if autostart is not done yet, it can be done later. |
| 20:15:08 | erikm | BZFlag: I don't want unnecessary bloat in blob |
| 20:15:24 | BZFlag | I'm thinking zdown and uudown and then perhaps a shortcut of zflash and uuflash. |
| 20:15:37 | BZFlag | ok, --with-zmodem ;-) |
| 20:16:10 | BZFlag | the zmodem code in zboot is pretty small, it's mostly just hacked versions of the bases stuff in lrzsz |
| 20:16:36 | BZFlag | But I agree, I'd look at the size diff tween xmodem and zmodem before making the choice. |
| 20:16:59 | BZFlag | xdown and xflash would work to. ;-) |
| 20:17:42 | BZFlag | (though technically is "upload" not "download" as the transfer is initiated on the other end. |
| 20:18:28 | BZFlag | so perhaps zup or xup ;-) |
| 20:19:10 | erikm | hmm, we could even do command aliases with Russ's paramter blocks |
| 20:19:20 | BZFlag | did you ever get ipaq jtag info? |
| 20:19:43 | erikm | BZFlag: didn't yet mailed jamey, -ENOTIME |
| 20:20:14 | BZFlag | heh. I got the NDA from jamey but decided not to sign and return it. |
| 20:22:28 | erikm | finds it interesting that quite some things from handhelds.org CVS get rewritten by people outside of compaq |
| 20:52:39 | erikm | goes zzz |
| 20:52:46 | prpplague | later |
| 20:52:53 | erikm | later |