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| 09:16.09 | kerouac[m] | Hi |
| 09:16.12 | kerouac[m] | I have such dialplan |
| 09:16.24 | kerouac[m] | exten => 001,1,Confbridge(1) |
| 09:16.24 | kerouac[m] | same => n,Originate(PJSIP/6003,app,ConfBridge,1) |
| 09:17.24 | kerouac[m] | I expect that when I call 001, it will create confbridge with name "1" and connect pjsip point 6003 there. But when I call it, I'm only person in room. How to debug it? |
| 09:31.22 | file | that's the way dialplan and ConfBridge works, ConfBridge blocks until either the channel hangs up or it exits the ConfBridge |
| 09:32.16 | file | if you wanted the Originate to happen first, then it would need to be at priority 1 before the current channel enters the ConfBridge |
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| 12:41.47 | kerouac[m] | file: yes, that's it, thank you |
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| 14:50.43 | kerouac[m] | Well, now I have correct config for ConfBridge, and if I call number, it creates room with me and that number. And how could I invite in that room such extensions that only have Playback and hangup? |
| 14:51.13 | kerouac[m] | If I or remote leg call such extention, then only calling side could hear voicemessage |
| 14:51.37 | kerouac[m] | I think I could do Originate, but what should be the CALLER, in case of ConfBridge? |
| 14:52.01 | Samot | You need to put them in the confbridge. |
| 14:52.16 | Samot | You just can't originate a call and expect it to dump them into the confbridge. |
| 14:54.16 | orn | kerouac[m], create a dialplan rule that drops it into the confbridge and then use a local channel |
| 14:54.41 | kerouac[m] | drops what? |
| 14:54.53 | orn | the "caller" |
| 14:55.39 | kerouac[m] | Hmm. I don't think I got that. Can you please explain more verbose? |
| 14:58.31 | Samot | Wait. This is for paging? |
| 14:58.49 | orn | you could do this by using two contexts for example, one context might just dial into the confbridge with proper parameters |
| 14:58.56 | orn | and the second context would call Playback and then hangup |
| 14:59.13 | Samot | Why would playback matter? |
| 14:59.39 | orn | then you originate a call, to a local channel, Local/[extension-to-dial]@context-for-dialing-into-conference |
| 15:00.02 | orn | and supply the context for this in the call file to be the playback context |
| 15:00.31 | orn | Context: context-that-will-do-playback-and-hangup, Extension: [extension you chose] Priority: 1 |
| 15:00.59 | kerouac[m] | <Samot "Why would playback matter?"> I need to have two connected points with voice chanell betwenn them, and sometimes there sould be a voice message, heard by both legs, that's all I want |
| 15:01.06 | orn | which would then dial into the conference, and upon answer execute whatever happens in the other context |
| 15:01.26 | Samot | So you have a call? |
| 15:01.36 | orn | he has an ongoing call between two parties |
| 15:01.43 | orn | and wants to occasionally drop in some message |
| 15:02.14 | Samot | Well you cant do thaf with confbridge and playback |
| 15:02.31 | orn | you could using call files and local channels |
| 15:02.41 | orn | unless there is some limitation with confbridge i'm not aware of |
| 15:02.52 | Samot | Sure. So you take away the confbridge |
| 15:03.02 | kerouac[m] | So, what is better way to do that? |
| 15:03.08 | orn | you're thinking barge? |
| 15:03.10 | kerouac[m] | Without confbridge? |
| 15:03.13 | Samot | You cant playback a file in a confbridge |
| 15:03.22 | Samot | They are in the bridge. |
| 15:03.40 | Samot | The playback wont happen while in the confbridge |
| 15:03.48 | kerouac[m] | Samot: confbridge itself could play files with CBAnn, couldn't we use it? |
| 15:03.58 | Samot | Sure |
| 15:04.15 | kerouac[m] | Can't google a man for it. How to use it? |
| 15:04.19 | Samot | You can set the confbridge to playback something when they join |
| 15:04.40 | Samot | Our you can use the MoH to playback something |
| 15:04.55 | kerouac[m] | What is MoH? |
| 15:05.01 | orn | Samot, good point |
| 15:05.04 | Samot | You cannot call playback() while they are in a confbridge |
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| 15:08.39 | kerouac[m] | Still didn't got that. Ok, I can't use Playback(), and afaik CBAnn cal only playback something on chanell events like join/disconnect, but I want to start voicemessages manually or by timer. Any ideas? |
| 15:10.09 | Samot | Manually? |
| 15:11.19 | Samot | What would the timer be based off of? |
| 15:12.17 | kerouac[m] | E.g if I have call between point A and B it is good for me if I can call from point A to number, say, 007 and both A and B will hear some voicemesage with no hangup, right in their call. |
| 15:13.33 | Samot | So no timer |
| 15:14.17 | kerouac[m] | If there is no way to do it manually, maybe I could use timer, but manually is the best |
| 15:14.35 | Samot | You mean making the call |
| 15:15.25 | kerouac[m] | wait |
| 15:15.41 | kerouac[m] | how do you know playback doesn't works in confbridge |
| 15:15.54 | kerouac[m] | I just does what orn asvised me, and it somehow workd |
| 15:15.55 | kerouac[m] | Ok, if I can't use Playback(), what should I use to playback sound in confbridge? I'm afraid I can't use |
| 15:15.58 | Samot | Because that's how it works |
| 15:16.09 | kerouac[m] | < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/LICvaCHTKgTTXGkcPzNHKahK/message.txt > |
| 15:16.12 | kerouac[m] | this worked for me |
| 15:16.38 | Samot | Wow |
| 15:17.06 | kerouac[m] | I can call, say, 6003 from 6001 and be in room, where there are 6003 and 6001, and when I call from 6001 the number 201, it invites local chanell 200 to confbridge and playback workd |
| 15:17.12 | Samot | In not sure how |
| 15:17.38 | kerouac[m] | I'm not sure that other leg had sound, because it is remote and no access now |
| 15:17.47 | kerouac[m] | but I myself heard the message LOL |
| 15:18.15 | kerouac[m] | Well, nuce |
| 15:18.18 | kerouac[m] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.33 | kerouac[m] | I'll tell you if it really works, gonna debugf |
| 15:18.35 | kerouac[m] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.12 | orn | Samot, I'm not sure why you say it wouldn't work -- a local channel can behave just like any other caller -- Playback() is done on its side of the bridge and just transmitted as audio, as I understand it |
| 15:20.35 | orn | but maybe there's some internal implementation/special case that i'm not aware of |
| 15:22.24 | Samot | OK. |
| 15:22.25 | Samot | No. |
| 15:22.32 | orn | Maybe local channels just can't join confbridges? |
| 15:22.41 | Samot | This is going to Originate to 200, it's going to do the Playback() and hangup. |
| 15:22.43 | Samot | No. |
| 15:22.45 | Samot | It's not that. |
| 15:22.46 | Samot | JFC. |
| 15:22.58 | Samot | You can do the Playback *before* the confbridge. |
| 15:23.19 | Samot | Once the call is in the confbridge, just like dial(), it blocks all other dialplan until completed. |
| 15:23.39 | Samot | So while the callee's are in the confbridge you CANNOT use playback() to play a recording to them. |
| 15:23.47 | Samot | Because they are in the confbridge. |
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| 15:24.06 | orn | yes, I am aware of that, but using local channels you can have one thing executing on one side of the bridge, and another thing on the other side |
| 15:24.14 | Samot | No. |
| 15:24.20 | Samot | That's Dial() options. |
| 15:24.59 | Samot | Also Originate requires the other side to ANSWER before executing the App/Extension. |
| 15:25.10 | orn | yeah, i wasn't talking about using originate |
| 15:25.15 | orn | i'm talking about using call files |
| 15:25.17 | Samot | So if calling 200 is a Playback() followed by a Hangup() then the originate fails. |
| 15:25.20 | Samot | He's not. |
| 15:25.33 | Samot | In the context of this conversation and the dialplan presented, it's originate. |
| 15:25.36 | orn | with a local channel and either an application or context/priority/extension |
| 15:26.45 | Samot | kerouac[m]: What is this for? |
| 15:26.53 | Samot | kerouac[m]: Is this for paging? Autodialing? |
| 15:28.20 | orn | Samot, I just tested this |
| 15:28.22 | orn | this works |
| 15:28.33 | Samot | What works? |
| 15:28.38 | orn | what i was describing |
| 15:28.42 | orn | using a call file |
| 15:28.47 | Samot | Which does? |
| 15:28.48 | orn | to call a local channel which will drop you into the bridge |
| 15:29.06 | orn | and executing a context/extension/priority which will use playback |
| 15:29.15 | Samot | Show it. |
| 15:29.19 | orn | one sec |
| 15:29.22 | Samot | And it played to both sides? |
| 15:29.26 | orn | yes |
| 15:29.38 | orn | both participants of conference |
| 15:31.36 | orn | https://pastebin.com/APqqDFBQ |
| 15:32.56 | Samot | Who did this call? |
| 15:33.07 | orn | what do you mean? this is a call file |
| 15:33.12 | orn | moved into the outgoing spool |
| 15:33.18 | orn | with two extensions sitting in a confbridge |
| 15:33.26 | Samot | They were already in it? |
| 15:33.43 | orn | yes -- the callers are always in a call |
| 15:33.49 | orn | if i understand kerouac[m] correctly |
| 15:34.14 | Samot | But this is supposed to have two people be called. |
| 15:34.20 | Samot | Then do all that. |
| 15:34.49 | orn | <kerouac[m]> there is call between two nodes. it almost never ends. It connects human with remote speaker. And sometimes there should appear scheduled voice messages, like notifications. They sould be heard both by human and speaker. How it could be realised? |
| 15:35.03 | Samot | What human? |
| 15:35.11 | Samot | I didn't see that. I asked if this was a paging setup |
| 15:35.13 | Samot | Twice. |
| 15:35.17 | Samot | I never got an answer. |
| 15:36.34 | Samot | How is this human connected to this never ending call? |
| 15:36.35 | orn | <orn> he has an ongoing call between two parties |
| 15:36.35 | orn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.02 | Samot | So the human is next to a phone that is always opened to this remote speaker? |
| 15:37.55 | orn | i don't know the details dude, all i know is that he said he wants to have an ongoing call between two "parties" that he occasionally wants to drop announcements into, and he was leaning towards using a confbridge |
| 15:38.09 | Samot | Well I'm asking these details because they are important. |
| 15:38.22 | orn | in which sense? |
| 15:38.33 | Samot | Well human connected to speaker phone. |
| 15:38.42 | Samot | How is the human side done? |
| 15:38.49 | Samot | A deskphone at one place? |
| 15:39.00 | Samot | If this is an open line then does the deskphone need to be muted? |
| 15:39.12 | Samot | Should it be a muted caller in the confbridge? |
| 15:39.22 | Samot | Why does the human need to hear this when there are speakers? |
| 15:39.24 | Samot | Are they remote? |
| 15:39.52 | Samot | Will this human hear the recording from both the phone speaker AND the overhead speakers? |
| 15:40.12 | orn | as far as i am concerned, this is all irrelevant -- he asked how two parties could be on a call that never ends and how he could pepper the call with occasional announcements |
| 15:40.21 | Samot | OK. |
| 15:40.23 | Samot | He did. |
| 15:40.54 | Samot | So it doesn't matter if it's a bad solution that could be handled better just as long as a solution was given. |
| 15:41.40 | Samot | So yeah, dropping a random local channel into an existing confbridge that has people in it. Sure works just fine. |
| 15:41.42 | orn | lmao |
| 15:42.06 | orn | did he ask you to engineer a system/solution? he described a specific problem and got a specific solution |
| 15:42.20 | Samot | Well the whole muted thing is kind of an important thing right? |
| 15:42.39 | orn | i have no idea -- i don't know what he is using it for |
| 15:42.40 | Samot | If it's not addressed, would the noise picked up by the human side be heard over the speakers? |
| 15:42.42 | orn | he could have either party join muted |
| 15:42.47 | orn | with a confbridge option |
| 15:43.04 | Samot | He could but it's pretty clear he has no idea about this stuff. |
| 15:43.06 | orn | i don't know the details, but he can work around them |
| 15:43.25 | Samot | You're right you don't know the details, neither do I. Hence the line of questioning. |
| 15:43.40 | Samot | So I could offer proper advice. |
| 15:45.10 | kerouac[m] | <Samot "kerouac: Is this for paging? Aut"> Expert is sitting in the room and tells to person via speaker what to do, seeing him on the screen via camera. And time by time automated messages e.g. "ten minutes left" should appear |
| 15:45.25 | kerouac[m] | <Samot "A deskphone at one place?"> yes |
| 15:45.50 | Samot | And should the other person be able to talk back? |
| 15:46.12 | kerouac[m] | Yes, it should |
| 15:46.19 | Samot | So then it's not just a speaker. |
| 15:46.22 | Samot | It's a speaker phone |
| 15:46.26 | kerouac[m] | yes |
| 15:46.29 | Samot | Because that would require a mic. |
| 15:46.33 | kerouac[m] | yes |
| 15:46.45 | Samot | So totally different than just sending audio to a speaker. |
| 15:47.21 | kerouac[m] | But I don't mention that because I need minimal implementation of what I mean. If I will not have sound from speaker phone, I'll just use the one from camera :) |
| 15:47.44 | Samot | So yeah, you drop both sides into a conference bridge and then with an external program, drop in your alerts X minutes via an originate over local channels. |
| 15:48.01 | Samot | You just can't use it from the camera. |
| 15:48.07 | Samot | How will you get audio from the camera? |
| 15:48.31 | Samot | A separate system? |
| 15:48.41 | kerouac[m] | <Samot "How will you get audio from the "> That's not asterisk problem |
| 15:48.44 | kerouac[m] | yes, separate |
| 15:49.07 | kerouac[m] | <Samot "So yeah, you drop both sides int"> Yes, thanks. As far as I see, it works. Tomorrow I will know better |
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| 17:19.43 | igcewieling | *whine* Will we never be rid of 82574L chipset? |
| 17:29.41 | Samot | LOD 1/31/2021; LSD 7/31/2021 <-- Yes. |
| 17:29.48 | Samot | This year, in fact. |
| 17:30.31 | electronic_eel | what is the problem with the 82574L? |
| 17:31.09 | Samot | Outside of the fact it's 11 years old? |
| 17:31.43 | electronic_eel | yes, i don't see pure age as a problem. it delivers 1 gigabit without problems afaik |
| 17:31.59 | Samot | Shrug. |
| 17:33.57 | electronic_eel | the fact is that 10gbase-t never took off, so until the recent introduction of 2.5gbase-t there was no faster copper based line speed available. so no real need to upgrade |
| 17:35.30 | Samot | You don't hang out in the same circles I do on here. |
| 17:35.45 | Samot | 10Gbps home networks is all the new hotness. |
| 17:35.54 | Samot | And if you gots real money, 40g. |
| 17:36.34 | electronic_eel | hmm, i have 10gbps at home too. but with direct attach cables and singlemode fibre. no 10gbase-t anywhere |
| 17:37.18 | electronic_eel | don't like 10gbase-t at all. runs too hot, too high latency, too unreliable over longer cables |
| 17:39.34 | Samot | I'm not even sure why a home network needs 10Gbps or even 40Gbps. |
| 17:39.59 | Samot | The best answer I've gotten so far is "mah backups move faster" |
| 17:40.02 | igcewieling | *nod* 10G always overheats for me. |
| 17:40.19 | Samot | Or "mah VMs move faster between my hosts" |
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| 17:40.41 | Samot | Because, you know, every home network needs multiple hosts with dockers and containers. |
| 17:40.47 | igcewieling | *nothing* will make VMs move between hosts fast enough. |
| 17:40.57 | electronic_eel | igcewieling: with "10g" you mean 10gbase-t, right? not the stuff you plug into sfp+ slots? |
| 17:41.07 | Samot | Oh wait.. |
| 17:41.11 | Samot | Neither was I. |
| 17:41.17 | igcewieling | electronic_eel: I meant to point out the stupidify of saying a protocol runs "hot" |
| 17:41.28 | Samot | Yeah, no one bothers with 10Gbase-T |
| 17:41.39 | Samot | Not when there is a better option. |
| 17:42.08 | electronic_eel | oh, i meant the controller chips run too hot. take about 5-10watts each for an acitve and loaded connection |
| 17:42.18 | electronic_eel | for 10gbase-t |
| 17:42.39 | electronic_eel | not the ones based on sfp+ slots, like direct attach or fibre |
| 17:44.20 | igcewieling | Thankfully, I deal mainly with VoIP which doesn't actually use a lot of bandwidth. |
| 17:44.52 | electronic_eel | yes, will be a bunch of calls until you saturate a 10gbps link with voip calls... |
| 17:45.45 | igcewieling | LOL! |
| 17:46.30 | electronic_eel | would be quite a home to have that many phones and active calls at once... |
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| 20:09.53 | electronic_eel | maybe mellanox will soon bring out a switch line dedicated for modern home networks - 400Gbps to the living rooms, 25 Gbps to the bathrooms and attic |
| 20:26.01 | HannaM | and 1000Gbps to the cellar, where the world domination machine is installed !? |
| 21:41.52 | kerouac[m] | Samot: I'm sorry for not answering. I just had no time, and that was production task, I should do it as fast as I could. And I'm not too brilliant in english and especially ip-telephony terminology, so, sometimes I just can't say what I want properly. Thanks to all active members of this channel for patience and helping. Sometimes I have a solution just trying to ask correct question, and sometimes one helps me just |
| 21:41.52 | kerouac[m] | explaining common stuff, but I just don't have a word to google it. You should know what to google, isn't it? )) |
| 21:42.17 | kerouac[m] | orn: thank you! |
| 21:45.42 | kerouac[m] | Just as a matter of fact, what is the better solution better than confbridge in my situation? I'll describe it again. I have two PJSIP points. One is PC with softphone, and the second is speaker phone. It CAN talk back, but it really don't need to. In my case it is used just as a speaker. Speaker and PC are remote, they are in different rooms. The user on the PC is doing his job and should have ability to say something |
| 21:45.42 | kerouac[m] | in speaker. And he has a feedback with cameras, that have their own sound, not related to asterisk or telephony. |
| 21:46.42 | kerouac[m] | This call between PC and speaker is as long as possible. I mean nobody really need to hangup. Mute/unmute is also a part of PC's softphone features, if needed. |
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| 21:47.43 | kerouac[m] | All i need is: PC's softphone should be able to do something (call a number, request url, anything), so that both PC's user and Speaker will play some audio message. |
| 21:49.01 | kerouac[m] | The easiest way to do it is my goal. |
| 21:49.01 | kerouac[m] | Now I have never ending confbridge and invite there local channel with Playback(). Are there simpler ways? |
| 21:49.26 | Samot | Not really. |
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| 21:53.03 | micdud | samot a few weeks back you said new android phones and sip clients had no problems with incomind calls , now i have and s8 that still falls a sleep and takes up to 20 sec to recieve a call |
| 21:53.47 | micdud | can you ping you s8 9 10 s aand get a decent ping back without screen on ? |
| 21:54.08 | Samot | What softphone are you using? |
| 21:54.37 | micdud | do you have a particular reason to ask that question ? |
| 21:54.45 | Samot | Yes. |
| 21:55.00 | Samot | Because a shitty softphone is still a shitty softphone. |
| 21:55.17 | micdud | what is not shitty ? |
| 21:55.26 | Samot | I use Bria. |
| 21:55.35 | micdud | so everything but ? |
| 21:55.49 | Samot | No, but I use Bria. Groundwire is alright. |
| 21:56.20 | Samot | But then again, those both have one thing in common. They have paid versions. |
| 21:56.27 | micdud | and you can get an incoming call without delay with screen off ? |
| 21:56.39 | Samot | Not just some flash in the pan FOSS softphone. |
| 21:57.07 | micdud | paid version mean its the only thing that will not put wifi to sleep ? |
| 21:57.17 | Samot | There is a bit of a delay for the phone to wake up but nominal. |
| 21:57.41 | Samot | No but it comes with push services which also assist in waking up the device. |
| 21:58.12 | micdud | what is normpush service does not wake up the device, devices wifi sleep policy does |
| 21:58.24 | micdud | and some apps can cotroll that |
| 21:58.41 | Samot | What softphone do you have? |
| 21:59.34 | micdud | and what is normall dealy ? i tested everything from samsung s2 to s8 , and unless rooted and turned off wifi sleep manualy delay is 1 to 20 seconds |
| 22:00.08 | micdud | and that is wifi power savings not some special paid only option |
| 22:03.42 | micdud | i have an android 4 phones where i can turn off wifi sleep with screen off by default and get incoming calls instantly , anyting after 4.2 disables that option unless you root, so please tell me , can you ping instantly to you paid phones with screen off ? |
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| 22:12.23 | micdud | and why is it that you feel the need to pay for a sip client (softphone) ? what is it that other clients cannot do ? |
| 22:13.16 | micdud | and that is you main solution to anyone with a problem , old shitty phone and old shitty non paid client ! |
| 22:14.30 | file | many people pay for such a thing, because Google and Apple state that the best way to do VoIP is to use their push services to wake the phone up so it can then receive an incoming call, this requires infrastructure and so paid clients exist for such a thing |
| 22:14.55 | micdud | push does not wake up a phone from wifi sleep !!!! |
| 22:15.20 | micdud | only the device itself can check in with AP for storred messages |
| 22:15.38 | file | there are numerous people who use such things and have no issues, so however it works for them they use it and are fine with it |
| 22:17.08 | micdud | my original question was related to smartphone as a voip client, and its tendancy to wifi powersave sleep and not recieve calls without delay |
| 22:17.42 | micdud | on a cell network a push might wake things up, not on wifi as far as i tested |
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| 22:30.49 | kerouac[m] | Is it proper for confbridge with dialplan like this to take about 10-12 seconds to connect to conference? |
| 22:30.51 | kerouac[m] | < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/LFaZKHCgsuTWicMZKBWUhcKK/message.txt > |
| 22:31.16 | kerouac[m] | If conference already exists doesn't matters. It still takes time. |
| 22:31.48 | file | that depends on what "connect to conference" actually means - you'd need to show the actual Asterisk console output |
| 22:37.57 | kerouac[m] | https://termbin.com/s9b4 |
| 22:39.47 | file | does it only happen with WebRTC? |
| 22:41.20 | file | and if so, does it take 10-12 seconds before the INVITE even shows up in Asterisk? |
| 22:49.36 | kerouac[m] | Yes, looks like it is ICE search |
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