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| 07:01.44 | zamba | i guess the polycom cx500 can't be used as regular sip phones? |
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| 10:00.47 | electronic_eel | zamba: afaik they are only availabe as lync phones, and don't work anymore because they don't have up-to-date encryption support |
| 10:07.04 | zamba | electronic_eel: so basically just bricks? |
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| 11:30.23 | Samot | zamba: they did go end of life a few years back. |
| 11:48.21 | zamba | Samot: sure, but i just hate throwing away hardware |
| 11:48.45 | zamba | especially working hardware |
| 11:49.32 | Samot | But does it work? |
| 11:49.52 | Samot | Are you going to go out and get a out of date Lynx server to run it on? |
| 11:51.15 | zamba | i was hoping to get a pure sip image on it.. that's why i'm asking in here if anyone is familiar with it |
| 11:51.24 | zamba | i definitely don't want to run a lync server :) |
| 11:54.13 | Samot | So you just recently bought these phones? |
| 11:54.23 | Samot | Sadly, no SIP firmware for it. |
| 12:03.26 | Samot | Gonna guess they were cheap. |
| 12:05.38 | zamba | Samot: free, as i found them in a dumpster at work.. we had lync earlier |
| 12:05.52 | zamba | so i guess they/we came to the same conclusion regarding that :) |
| 12:06.21 | Samot | Well Lynch died like 7 years ago and was being phased our. |
| 12:06.23 | Samot | Out |
| 12:06.41 | Samot | So put them back in the dumpster. |
| 12:09.26 | TehRabbitt | Samot: I did get my Cisco 7970s working btw :) 1 part of it was a misconfiguration in the XML. the second part, was well, me thinking I couldn't use PJSIP. (It works perfectly) That said, some things like "Directory" and "Intercom" don't work but that's expected (unless you basically feel like coding it yourself etc). |
| 12:10.03 | TehRabbitt | I'm wondering, is there a wiki or such for FreePBX where I can post a copy of my [sanitized] XML for anyone else who might stumble across the issue? |
| 12:10.31 | Samot | My honest answer to that is, don't bother. |
| 12:11.02 | Samot | They are out of date phones. They don't fully work unless a patch is made to Asterisk. |
| 12:11.25 | TehRabbitt | you're talking getting the "other" features like the Intercom, etc working? |
| 12:11.37 | Samot | Yes. |
| 12:11.40 | TehRabbitt | ah |
| 12:11.53 | Samot | If this is "I want to show how to make it work as well as an ATA" is already out there. |
| 12:11.59 | Samot | +it |
| 12:12.34 | TehRabbitt | True, but the XML files tend to be all over the place etc and they're not exactly "compatible" since a lot of the XML I found were either missing things or formatted incorrectly |
| 12:12.58 | Samot | I'm going to be honest here. You're not doing anything new. |
| 12:13.06 | Samot | These have existed for over a decade. |
| 12:13.26 | Samot | People have been flashing those phones to SIP to be cheap for a long time. |
| 12:15.42 | TehRabbitt | Samot: what are your thoughts on the cheap "SNOM" phones on Ebay? again, only reason I wanted to mess with the 7970s was because I used to have them running with Pure Asterisk (Chan-SCCP-B) back in ~2010 and I just bought a 2nd one for like $10 so I could play with them but I had never tried using them w/ SIP. |
| 12:16.07 | Samot | I'm not a fan of snoms. They work just fine, I'm not a fan. |
| 12:16.25 | TehRabbitt | Samot: what would you suggest that isn't too pricy? |
| 12:16.36 | Samot | Pricy is subjective. |
| 12:16.57 | TehRabbitt | ~$50 or less give or take a few bucks |
| 12:16.59 | Samot | I don't find buying new Yealink's or Poly's for things as pricy. |
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| 12:17.08 | Samot | I couldn't give you a suggestion on that. |
| 12:17.08 | TehRabbitt | so the Yealinks are decent? |
| 12:17.23 | Samot | I don't buy phones for $50 or under. |
| 12:17.28 | TehRabbitt | ah lol |
| 12:17.29 | Samot | Well IP phones. |
| 12:18.10 | TehRabbitt | Again, not sure if I ever mentioned it before, but I'm using these @ home |
| 12:18.18 | Samot | OK. |
| 12:18.19 | TehRabbitt | so don't need too much crazy stuff |
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| 12:19.15 | Samot | Then go buy something used that wasn't built for a specific PBX platform and that SIP wasn't an afterthought on. |
| 12:19.44 | TehRabbitt | why does it seem there are a lot of phones that fall into that category (that SIP was an afterthought) |
| 12:19.55 | Samot | There aren't actually. |
| 12:20.05 | Samot | Cisco UCM phones... |
| 12:20.07 | TehRabbitt | Just the ones I keep ending up with lol. |
| 12:20.10 | Samot | Lync phones. |
| 12:20.19 | Samot | TehRabbitt: Get further than the price tag. |
| 12:20.22 | TehRabbitt | Shoretel = Crap apparently |
| 12:20.31 | Samot | Shoretel = phones for a PBX |
| 12:20.33 | TehRabbitt | 90% of the "feature" are in their switches |
| 12:20.38 | TehRabbitt | yeah. |
| 12:20.40 | Samot | Because Shoretel is a PBX maker. |
| 12:21.11 | Samot | If you buy phones from a PBX maker, they are only doing phones as an accessory to their PBX. |
| 12:21.33 | Samot | They don't care if their phone doesn't work with someone else's PBX or not. |
| 12:21.44 | TehRabbitt | good way of looking at it. why support their competitors etc. |
| 12:22.15 | Samot | Nothing about that. |
| 12:22.26 | Samot | They are designing phones to support the features of their PBX |
| 12:23.43 | file | and the fact they may use SIP is an implementation detail |
| 12:23.53 | Samot | BroadSoft is a huge telecom platform for ISPs. |
| 12:24.26 | Samot | Polycom can be programmed to use BroadSoft firmware. It's still 100% SIP but BroadSoft uses custom headers and stuff. |
| 12:24.37 | Samot | They also modified their own SIP stack. |
| 12:25.20 | TehRabbitt | Hence it's similar to Cisco to some extent? |
| 12:25.29 | Samot | Nope. |
| 12:25.38 | Samot | Because all basic PBX features are supported. |
| 12:25.41 | TehRabbitt | Ah |
| 12:25.47 | TehRabbitt | so no workarounds to get things like intercom working |
| 12:25.48 | Samot | These are extra features. |
| 12:25.52 | Samot | Exactly. |
| 12:25.54 | Samot | Or BLF |
| 12:25.59 | Samot | Or conferences |
| 12:26.00 | TehRabbitt | what is BLF |
| 12:26.05 | Samot | Busy Lamp Field. |
| 12:26.07 | TehRabbitt | Yeah, I noticed the conference thing. |
| 12:26.09 | TehRabbitt | AH |
| 12:26.11 | Samot | It shows me when you are on the phone |
| 12:26.24 | Samot | Allows me to speeddial/transfer to you with a touch of a button |
| 12:26.35 | Samot | Allows me to pick up calls ringing to your phone if you can't get it. |
| 12:26.43 | TehRabbitt | Now I see what you're saying :P |
| 12:26.49 | TehRabbitt | "Shared Lines" as Cisco calls them |
| 12:26.55 | Samot | No. |
| 12:26.56 | TehRabbitt | but again dont' work out of the box |
| 12:26.58 | Samot | Those are different. |
| 12:27.22 | Samot | Shared Lines are not BLFs. |
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| 21:33.41 | zamba | i have managed to get my PJSIP against my provider registered and into an online state.. but when i attempt to make a call, i'm getting 100 Trying and then immediately afterwards 486 Busy here back from my provider |
| 21:33.49 | zamba | is this something wrong at my end or my provider? |
| 21:34.04 | Samot | Did you call them? |
| 21:34.17 | Samot | Did you ask them why there is a 486 Busy |
| 21:34.26 | Samot | Because that generally means who you were calling was busy. |
| 21:35.05 | zamba | they're closed right now.. so i have to check tomorrow.. but since they are a provider and possibly have working customers already, i'm guessing that there's something wrong at my end :) |
| 21:35.29 | Samot | The problem here is that 486 Busy is a totally acceptable response. |
| 21:35.44 | Samot | It means the other wise was in use but couldn't take another call. |
| 21:35.59 | zamba | the other wise? |
| 21:36.01 | Samot | Unless they are doing something funky and returning the wrong response. |
| 21:36.07 | Samot | Dude. |
| 21:36.15 | Samot | Have you not used a phone before? |
| 21:36.22 | Samot | Sometimes when you call someone they are busy.. |
| 21:36.28 | Samot | You get back busy tones. |
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| 21:36.49 | Samot | It's hard to know if this is a real problem when the response is a standard and acceptable response. |
| 21:36.54 | zamba | yeah, but this is returned back immediately.. and i'm calling my own cell phone and it's not busy.. unless my other personality is using it behind my back |
| 21:37.02 | Samot | Show a call. |
| 21:37.07 | Samot | asterisk -rvvvvvvvvv |
| 21:37.10 | Samot | pjsip set logger on |
| 21:37.19 | Samot | make the call, pastebin the results. |
| 21:39.15 | Kobaz | <Samot Have you not used a phone before? <---- Great advise there! |
| 21:41.00 | zamba | https://dpaste.org/iAPQ |
| 21:41.20 | Kobaz | And I swear I can type. *advice |
| 21:43.46 | Samot | zamba: not a thing wrong with it. |
| 21:45.00 | zamba | Samot: meaning? there's an issue with my provider? |
| 21:45.02 | Samot | zamba: You will need to call them provider. They might not like how the call was sent to them and are using the wrong response |
| 21:45.36 | Samot | Or there is something else going on. |
| 21:45.52 | Samot | But that looks like a normal busy call attempt |
| 21:49.37 | zamba | oki.. i'll check with the provider tomorrow |
| 21:50.35 | zamba | Samot: thanks for your patient help |
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| 22:23.14 | igcewieling | in case anyone collects old telephones https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/swiss-army-surplus-wall-telephone-with-ringer-new?a=2229864 |
| 22:23.34 | igcewieling | or at least weird telephones, I don't know how "old" it is. |