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| 12:02.18 | Kobaz | Anyone know of like a twillio-sim type program, but for voice? Twillio is data-only |
| 12:05.25 | Kobaz | Vitelity used to do something like that, vmobile... they had 3g/4g -> Tower -> SIP |
| 12:10.31 | Samot | Not that are good or worth it. |
| 12:11.09 | Samot | The gang over at IncrediblePBX tried this last year. It burned in a fiery crash. |
| 12:11.44 | Kobaz | seems like that's the style |
| 12:11.53 | Samot | Well they ignored what I had to say. |
| 12:12.02 | Kobaz | it's insanely expensive to become a MVNO and to have it crash and burn is sad |
| 12:12.03 | Samot | That and the MNVO was just total shit. |
| 12:12.13 | Samot | Naw, they were using a vendor for it. |
| 12:12.43 | Samot | But you see, it's really hard to convince a business to drop something like a Verizon business account that gives them phones on a whim... |
| 12:12.55 | Kobaz | I had a call with Sprint regarding going on-net with them, and it was around 500k minimum |
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| 12:13.07 | Samot | Cheap monthly plans and insurance to something that is PAYG/BYOD. |
| 12:13.13 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 12:13.33 | Kobaz | Do you know the backend mvno vendor? |
| 12:13.38 | Samot | In order for this to work properly the users have to either move mobile service, get a second phone or a phone with dual sims. |
| 12:13.47 | Samot | I do but seriously they are horrible. |
| 12:13.52 | Kobaz | Haha |
| 12:13.56 | Samot | I wouldn't recommend them to you at all. |
| 12:13.59 | Kobaz | So the vendor was the problem... |
| 12:14.05 | Samot | Part of the problem. |
| 12:14.09 | Samot | It's a hard *sell* |
| 12:14.19 | Samot | Because the users must move their mobile service to *you* |
| 12:14.37 | Kobaz | I know, yeah. People would typically get new phones |
| 12:14.44 | Samot | Right but how? |
| 12:14.45 | Kobaz | or just new service entirely, for something like this |
| 12:14.52 | Samot | It's one thing if the company was given them phones. |
| 12:15.03 | Kobaz | Right, for company provided phones |
| 12:15.11 | Samot | Then you have to beat the deal they are getting. What do you do when the company is depending on *personal* phones. |
| 12:15.20 | Kobaz | I've had a lot of requests for 'Cell phone off the pbx' |
| 12:15.29 | Samot | Well good luck with that. |
| 12:15.34 | Kobaz | I know... |
| 12:15.39 | Samot | It never works out well. |
| 12:15.43 | Kobaz | Personal phones you're out of luck other than Soft Phones |
| 12:16.00 | Samot | Because you get the joys of being a mobile provider at some level. |
| 12:16.07 | Kobaz | Right |
| 12:16.26 | Kobaz | Friend of mine is starting a MVNO and wants to use our cloudpbx to route calls |
| 12:16.36 | Kobaz | But he's like 2% of the way in terms of starting |
| 12:16.43 | Samot | How many clients are asking for this? Like 50%? 10%? |
| 12:16.54 | Kobaz | a few big ones |
| 12:17.06 | Samot | That control all the mobile phones? |
| 12:17.09 | Kobaz | More like 2% but, they have, say like 1000 endpoints |
| 12:17.49 | Kobaz | It's a mix... everywhere it's a mix |
| 12:18.00 | Samot | Oh then that's not going to work like they think. |
| 12:18.13 | Samot | Because they have to convince personal phone holders to move. |
| 12:18.16 | Kobaz | I don't think any of the companies we deal with have 100% company phones, and they wouldn't switch en-mass anyway |
| 12:18.35 | Kobaz | I'm more interested in the technical aspect than the business aspect here |
| 12:18.47 | Samot | There's not much to it. |
| 12:18.55 | Samot | They route shit to your phone system. |
| 12:19.06 | Kobaz | Right, over SIP, I get that |
| 12:19.10 | Samot | There's basically a sip account that registers. |
| 12:19.14 | Kobaz | no one publicly does it anymore |
| 12:19.28 | Samot | No because it wasn't something people jumped on it. |
| 12:19.52 | Samot | This has been around for almost a decade or more and it's down to niche companies. |
| 12:20.05 | Kobaz | I had some good discussions with Ting but that didn't go anywhere. They are just in mass market stuff and don't do custom work |
| 12:20.32 | Samot | Oh yeah and based on what I've seen... |
| 12:20.33 | Kobaz | Right, it's been around |
| 12:20.40 | Samot | All outbound is routed back to the PBX. |
| 12:20.49 | Samot | And all inbound is routed through the PBX |
| 12:20.50 | Kobaz | Oh yeah, and inbound goes right to the cell |
| 12:21.00 | Samot | No it doesn/t |
| 12:21.07 | Kobaz | I was told by sprint, Cell is DID routing |
| 12:21.18 | Kobaz | So you would need to have a second DID registered on the PSTN to go to the pbx |
| 12:21.20 | Samot | And the outbound? |
| 12:21.27 | Kobaz | Outbound can go to whatever you want |
| 12:21.34 | Samot | So how do you track that? |
| 12:21.46 | Kobaz | Well, you never give out the Cell's 'private' DID |
| 12:21.54 | Samot | But what about private calls? |
| 12:21.55 | Kobaz | Is how it would have worked with Sprint |
| 12:22.13 | Kobaz | You give out the pbx DID that was assigned and route it there |
| 12:22.16 | Samot | How do you determine when I'm making a business call and when I'm calling mema? |
| 12:22.21 | Kobaz | Oh, you don't |
| 12:22.28 | Samot | So personal calls would route out the PBX |
| 12:22.32 | Samot | Cool. |
| 12:22.32 | Kobaz | Correct |
| 12:22.39 | Samot | I'm sure they'll want that. |
| 12:22.47 | Kobaz | Right, heh |
| 12:22.56 | Samot | Either the company or the user. |
| 12:23.13 | Samot | Welcome to how this becomes a hard sell. |
| 12:23.21 | Kobaz | Yeah |
| 12:23.28 | Kobaz | This was right before tmobile+sprint |
| 12:23.38 | Kobaz | So maybe T-Mobile works differently, I haven't talked to them |
| 12:23.42 | Samot | Nope. |
| 12:23.59 | Samot | The last couple I've seen have been the "any carrier" options. |
| 12:24.19 | Kobaz | Yeah we have a few of those we're working with |
| 12:24.24 | Samot | So for them to let you on to any tower with any carrier, they need to be with them. |
| 12:24.42 | Samot | So then it's not the carriers your connected to. Its the MNVO's network. |
| 12:24.53 | Kobaz | Right |
| 12:25.15 | Samot | Oh and you know what's the best about MNVO's? |
| 12:25.20 | Samot | They have low priority |
| 12:25.30 | Kobaz | yay |
| 12:25.33 | Samot | They're the first to have their data limited. |
| 12:26.28 | Samot | I had someone try this 10 years ago when it was the rage being pushed all over. |
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| 12:26.43 | Samot | No one really wanted it. |
| 12:26.48 | Kobaz | Heh |
| 12:27.57 | Kobaz | Yeaaah |
| 12:28.05 | Kobaz | It's not one of those 'sell a million of them' types of things |
| 12:28.08 | Kobaz | It's more like, an addon |
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| 12:37.47 | Kobaz | But the tech/connections are way too expensive for that type of model |
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| 15:18.27 | igcewieling | I loved my MVNO, but I didn't use the phone all that much. |
| 15:31.47 | Samot | It depends on the MVNO. |
| 15:33.12 | Samot | But in the context of the "mobile phone on your PBX" thread. In general they suck for that. |
| 15:33.58 | Samot | Granted there are a couple that are purely integrated services so they do alright with this but the clients are also paying a high cost for it. |
| 15:37.17 | Samot | But even is the service was class act. Unless the company is providing the employees with mobile phones and service work, it's a very hard sell. |
| 15:37.55 | Samot | Even if they are it is still a hard sell, because you have to convince the company to move everything to you. |
| 15:38.31 | Samot | Kobaz had some request this but even wanting it might not be enough to overcome all the steps involved. |
| 15:38.51 | Samot | s/request/requests for/ |
| 15:39.11 | igcewieling | Only an idiot would try to use cell service as a "line" |
| 15:39.51 | Samot | That's not it ata all |
| 15:42.14 | igcewieling | ok, an idiot or someone desperate |
| 15:46.06 | Samot | What are you referring to as a "line" |
| 15:47.42 | igcewieling | PSTN origination/termination |
| 15:49.17 | Samot | So yeah, you're missing what this was about. |
| 15:49.35 | Samot | The mobile phone is actually an extension on the PBX |
| 15:49.51 | Samot | The DID being routed to it over the mobile network is optional. |
| 15:50.02 | Samot | The DID could be routed to the PBX |
| 15:50.12 | Samot | Then the phone can still do SMS |
| 15:50.19 | Samot | Outbound is routed through the PBX |
| 15:50.26 | Samot | 911 can be routed via cell services. |
| 15:50.47 | igcewieling | Ah! I didn't scroll back far enough. |
| 15:51.22 | Samot | This was something Vitelity tried to do when it was a rage back in 2011-2014 |
| 15:51.28 | igcewieling | Ah, like that thing Sprint offered in the 2000's |
| 15:51.33 | Samot | Exactly. |
| 15:51.39 | Samot | Because Vitelity used Sprint. |
| 15:52.00 | Samot | The tech side wasn't actually the issue. |
| 15:52.07 | igcewieling | An interesting idea, too bad it was Sprint, so they screwed it up. |
| 15:52.19 | Samot | But they aren't the only ones that did it |
| 15:52.52 | Samot | MVNO's would get with the big 4 |
| 15:53.12 | Samot | So they could have a selling point that the mobile service would work on any tower by any carrier. No dead zones. |
| 15:53.49 | Samot | It's all good and great.... |
| 15:53.57 | Samot | But you got to sell it and that was the hard part. |
| 15:54.15 | Samot | It's really a service for a client that is all in and controls the devices. |
| 15:54.53 | igcewieling | Ah. I only knew about Sprint. |
| 15:55.38 | Samot | Yeah, a lot of people thought it would be a god send for small business and avoid softphones... |
| 15:56.21 | Samot | But it turns out unless you are a high volume reseller of this type of service, it's costly |
| 15:56.29 | Samot | You don't get great data plans to go with it. |
| 15:57.06 | Samot | So trying to convince Bob's Plumbing that he needs to go with you over ATT's plan that has 6 lines for X dollars unlimited everything..... |
| 15:57.37 | Samot | For probably more money, no direct phones to replace/sell and not unlimited everything.... |
| 15:58.15 | Samot | You basically turn yourself into every pre-paid mobile service out there. |
| 15:59.06 | appletv | you need a spin like EncroChat has |
| 16:01.45 | Samot | appletv: The problem is a lot of companies don't provide mobile service to employees. They depend on the employees having their own. |
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| 16:02.02 | Samot | appletv: So you go head and convince someone who has a family plan to just move their line. |
| 16:02.32 | Samot | Again, the services can be awesome. Great hooks.... |
| 16:02.43 | Samot | But it's the actual sell. |
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