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| 13:15.52 | kerouac[m] | Yeah, finally I got working call between two numbers, but there is no sound, and no errors in log (( |
| 13:16.10 | kerouac[m] | What could it be? |
| 13:25.39 | Kobaz | kerouac[m]: first place to look is typically media ip settings related to NAT |
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| 13:49.02 | kerouac[m] | Kobaz: does asterisk traffic goes through rtsp? |
| 13:53.19 | Kobaz | what? |
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| 14:42.40 | eventzero | my GotoIf calls are returning nan for false conditionals, and then executing the true option. for example, running this "GotoIf($[1=2]?ok:notok)" shows in the console "nan?ok:notok" and then context 'ok' is entered. if the conditional was 1=1, then the console shows "1?ok:notok" and 'ok' is entered (as expected) |
| 14:44.24 | eventzero | is this a bug? I am running asterisk 13.21 |
| 14:49.14 | Samot | There was something. I'm trying to find the forum posts. |
| 14:49.55 | Samot | But it was OS related from what I recall. |
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| 14:52.21 | Samot | https://community.asterisk.org/t/conditional-applications-functions-not-working/87425/4?u=pitzkey |
| 14:52.46 | Samot | This problem is due to a bug in the latest version of the glibc library (version 2.17-322.el7_9) |
| 14:52.51 | Samot | eventzero: ^^^^^ |
| 14:52.56 | Samot | Downgrade that. |
| 14:53.25 | Samot | If you're running RHEL/CentOS |
| 15:00.53 | eventzero | I am |
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| 15:12.23 | Samot | So downgrade what is suggested in that post. |
| 15:21.37 | Kobaz | woah that's a pretty crappy bug |
| 15:23.17 | Kobaz | except 2.17 isn't exactly the latest anymore, but yeah |
| 15:26.03 | Kobaz | I guess this is what happens when you use old software... centos 7 uses a glibc released in 2012 |
| 15:26.53 | Kobaz | Centos 7 will be EOL soon, you should plan your upgrades |
| 15:27.07 | igcewieling | Ubuntu seems to be a common upgrade path from CentOS 7 |
| 15:27.12 | Samot | Wait.. |
| 15:27.15 | igcewieling | Not really my thing. |
| 15:27.39 | Samot | Mr. I'm just getting off Asterisk 11 and I had a weird issue with my phone running 4 yo old firmware is giving this speech? |
| 15:27.52 | Kobaz | HAHA |
| 15:27.53 | Kobaz | I knew it! |
| 15:28.16 | Samot | Well that was my daily does of iron. |
| 15:28.23 | Samot | dose |
| 15:28.38 | igcewieling | Think of it like a Doctor. They can give good advice, while ignoring it for themselves. |
| 15:29.07 | Kobaz | It wasn't being ignored, just... pushed into the future |
| 15:30.02 | Kobaz | It's what happens when you're paid to work on other people's stuff and not your own |
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| 15:34.43 | Kobaz | Samot: still having issues with that yealink btw :P... updated the firmware it really doesn't like this cert... gonna do more experiments later |
| 15:35.35 | Kobaz | igcewieling: Yeah Ubuntu or Debian... anyone that's been hosed by the 'this system is too old and there's not even an upgrade path... reinstall!' |
| 15:36.26 | Kobaz | I love how i can apt-get dist-upgrade from any debian from 1998 and forward, to anything newer |
| 15:36.27 | Samot | Hardware or software? |
| 15:36.58 | Kobaz | Samot: software probably, it's not sending it's device certificate when client certificates are required |
| 15:37.23 | Samot | I was referring to your last statement |
| 15:37.41 | Kobaz | i don't get it |
| 15:38.20 | Kobaz | what kind of hardware is involved in apt-get dist-upgrade ?.. other than the usual |
| 15:38.23 | Samot | Is the software or hardware too old |
| 15:38.44 | Kobaz | Can you roll back? I have no idea what the context is |
| 15:38.53 | Samot | Well if I setup a server on 2015 and its running Asterisk 18 |
| 15:39.01 | Samot | The hardware is old |
| 15:39.15 | Samot | Ir should be replaced |
| 15:39.32 | Kobaz | Fair enough, but, what's the overall point? |
| 15:39.46 | Samot | 10:35:35 AM <Kobaz> igcewieling: Yeah Ubuntu or Debian... anyone that's been hosed by the 'this system is too old and there's not even an upgrade path... reinstall!' |
| 15:40.00 | Kobaz | oh, software |
| 15:40.04 | Samot | Hardware is apart of that |
| 15:40.19 | eventzero | amazingly specific bug, thanks Samot |
| 15:40.20 | seanbright | i have 12 year old hardware in production |
| 15:40.24 | Kobaz | when your software is too old, Redhat, and others like it, say. download the dvd and install the newest version |
| 15:40.26 | Samot | Yeah |
| 15:40.28 | seanbright | shit is dope |
| 15:40.33 | Samot | Thats great |
| 15:40.35 | Kobaz | seanbright: not necessarily |
| 15:40.41 | seanbright | can't all be rich like you guys |
| 15:40.47 | Samot | Yup |
| 15:40.50 | Kobaz | i regularly move hard drives to new iron and keep things going |
| 15:40.58 | Kobaz | and then upgrade software as needed |
| 15:41.11 | Samot | But not the drives? |
| 15:41.14 | Kobaz | or just clone the whole system to a new build |
| 15:41.31 | Kobaz | depends how old the drives are, it's all a checklist of what needs replacing |
| 15:42.06 | Kobaz | if the power supply dies in a 3 year old machince with SSDs. just bump it all to a new box |
| 15:42.34 | Samot | Thats different |
| 15:42.39 | Kobaz | if you have a machine that's 8 years old, replace everything, rsync the os+data if it's a time crunch and move it to new hardware |
| 15:42.46 | Samot | Thats a failure not an upgrade |
| 15:43.08 | Kobaz | and if there's the time and budget, then, install a new os and plan for that, but srsly... no one friggin cares about modernizing and so many people won't pay for it |
| 15:44.44 | Kobaz | but, my point was... it's a hell of a lot easier to apt-get dist-upgrade on Debian, than have to do a full os install like redhat tells you to |
| 15:45.03 | Kobaz | As far as I know there is no officially supported in-place upgrade method for those systems... that's what I was talking about |
| 15:45.05 | seanbright | i don't like in-place upgrads |
| 15:45.17 | seanbright | i feel like there is always cruft left behind |
| 15:45.29 | seanbright | flatten everything, that is my mantra |
| 15:49.23 | Samot | https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html-single/upgrading_from_rhel_7_to_rhel_8/index |
| 15:49.40 | Samot | I'm not sure where you got "RHEL/CentOS don't do in place upgrades" but that's wrong. |
| 15:49.58 | seanbright | it lost me at "Planning an upgrade" |
| 15:50.05 | seanbright | "planning" pfffft |
| 15:50.37 | Kobaz | I stopped using redhat 15 years ago, hence "As far as I know ..." |
| 15:50.42 | Samot | But I guess there is a difference between leaving decades old software open for people to use and not wanting to have to support that shit so you only leave X years old software open |
| 15:50.57 | Kobaz | seanbright: hehe |
| 15:51.25 | Kobaz | Well good, they need that. That's the one thing that made me switch, was lack of smooth in-place upgrades |
| 15:51.46 | Kobaz | I've done plenty of redhat inplace upgrades back in the day, needed to spend a week on rpmfind.net and figure out all the dependencies |
| 15:51.49 | Kobaz | this was before yum |
| 15:52.11 | seanbright | Samot: who hurt you? |
| 15:52.28 | Kobaz | Yeah :(.. tell him to stop arguing :( |
| 15:52.59 | Samot | Who says I'm arguing? |
| 15:53.08 | Kobaz | I'm kidding |
| 15:53.51 | Kobaz | Ever since <seanbright> Samot: Stop arguing with Kobaz.... I now have to bug you about that |
| 15:55.04 | Samot | seanbright: I did. |
| 15:55.41 | Samot | seanbright: See I was all about this kind of shit back in the day. Back when it was cool for me to have racks in my house and look at all this crap I'm doing that has no real applications but "for funsies". |
| 15:55.56 | Samot | Then I realized, there was actually better ways. |
| 15:56.01 | Kobaz | Well sure |
| 15:56.27 | Samot | Do I run out and update everything with every release? No. I update as I need to. |
| 15:56.41 | Samot | However, I don't let myself get into a position of running Asterisk 11 in 2021. |
| 15:58.24 | Kobaz | Weeeel, that problem is being resolved |
| 15:58.49 | Kobaz | We can start fresh, and keep up with the updates since I expect channel handling to be pretty stable from here on out |
| 15:58.54 | Samot | I guess it's the fact that I've worked for really small providers in a pool of really big ones. |
| 15:59.11 | Samot | By really small I mean the workforce, like at most there were 4 or 5 of us. |
| 15:59.21 | Samot | And half that was non-tech. |
| 15:59.26 | seanbright | well... full disclosure i am running asterisk 11 in production |
| 15:59.33 | Kobaz | Many people are |
| 15:59.43 | Kobaz | I helped someone upgrade from 1.4 for peets sake |
| 15:59.46 | Kobaz | Somewhat recently |
| 16:00.09 | Samot | Well of course. |
| 16:00.23 | Samot | Because when people like me say "You should keep yourself current" |
| 16:00.42 | Samot | There are always those that go "Yeah but I got X that's 10 years old and works fine. It doesn't stop working because it's EOL" |
| 16:01.39 | Samot | It's never a problem when "it works" |
| 16:02.16 | Samot | It's a problem when it doesn't, you're ass has got 12 people up it about being down and no one can support you because you're shit is so out of date even the vendor is like "Yeah, we ain't touching it" |
| 16:02.30 | Samot | s/you're/your/ |
| 16:04.19 | igcewieling | *shrug* Vendors well us that regardless. |
| 16:04.19 | Samot | Because even after you fix it you then have to deal with people who weren't caring what you doing because it "just worked" now asking you things like "Why haven't you kept us updated and in a position to be supported by our vendor?" |
| 16:04.25 | igcewieling | w/tell/well |
| 16:05.02 | Samot | Yup. |
| 16:05.05 | Samot | There's also that. |
| 16:05.28 | Samot | The blanketed "Well you're damned if you do and damned if you don't so why bother" attitude. |
| 16:06.10 | Samot | If you're vendor isn't supporting you on current and support services/appliances/software they provided you, then you need to get a new vendor. |
| 16:06.21 | Samot | your* |
| 16:09.00 | igcewieling | *shrug* People get locked into vendors. |
| 16:09.17 | igcewieling | We are not getting rid of our hosted platform because the vendor sucks. |
| 16:09.32 | Samot | So you can't find someone else to provide that? |
| 16:10.04 | Kobaz | So wait. You don't like the vendor, but you like the platform? |
| 16:10.07 | Kobaz | Or something like that |
| 16:10.18 | Samot | No. He bitches about the platform as well. |
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| 16:10.34 | Kobaz | hehe |
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| 16:13.01 | Samot | Now at the same time I have a couple of vendors that the products are fine, dealing with them at certain levels is fine but their support sucks. |
| 16:13.34 | Samot | The only reason we continue to use them is because I made it so I don't need support. |
| 16:14.19 | Kobaz | Yeah |
| 16:15.09 | igcewieling | I'd dislike the platform less if they supported it better. |
| 16:15.39 | Kobaz | Haha |
| 16:15.48 | Kobaz | What is this platform again? |
| 16:15.53 | Kobaz | Hosted FreePBX or something? |
| 16:15.56 | igcewieling | Bicom PBXware |
| 16:15.59 | Kobaz | Oh |
| 16:16.20 | Kobaz | I actually recommended an associate of mine check into Bicom because he was giving me crap about our pricing |
| 16:16.45 | igcewieling | The run asterisk as the core, but everything is done in fast AGIs and there is virtually no ability to do custom dialplans. |
| 16:17.04 | Kobaz | We do fastagi, but with hooks for custom everywhere |
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| 16:25.32 | Samot | I just wrote my own |
| 16:26.24 | Kobaz | Neat |
| 16:44.42 | Samot | Well it made it easier to use APIs to tie into. |
| 17:36.53 | seanbright | i don't disagree, but the breadth of problems with asterisk that i am able to address is maybe a little higher than average? |
| 17:37.10 | seanbright | and for the ones i can't address i just annoy file into fixing stuff for me |
| 17:37.41 | seanbright | sorry, that is a response to something from 90 minutes ago |
| 17:49.40 | igcewieling | You are located somewhere near Jupiter? 8-| |
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| 18:09.52 | seanbright | igcewieling: please allow 70 minutes for a response |
| 18:11.06 | igcewieling | I was thinking how far away you'd have to be for a 90 min RTT and came up with Juipter (45 min one way) |
| 18:13.03 | Kobaz | hah |
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