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| 20:38.44 | monsterco | Cell phone network question: Is it possible to register a cell phone remotely to a network in another country? for example over the internet? |
| 20:42.17 | Samot | Yes, that's what a softphone is for. |
| 21:00.07 | monsterco | I said cell phone. You said softphone. |
| 21:00.35 | monsterco | cell network is a whole separate technology and surely you knowingly ignore that |
| 21:01.08 | Samot | No, I'm not. |
| 21:01.11 | file | your query was not descriptive enough, thus Samot assumed that you were referring to VoIP - which would be a softphone over the data network |
| 21:01.29 | monsterco | It was. He is like that. |
| 21:01.36 | Samot | How does a German mobile carrier get the info from the US? |
| 21:01.49 | monsterco | Anyhow. If anyone has any ideas let me know please. |
| 21:02.13 | Samot | It would require the service you're connecting to in another country to have it setup |
| 21:02.14 | monsterco | Samot - I am assuming there is a GSM union of a sort |
| 21:02.35 | Samot | You assume German mobile carriers are using ATT and Verizon towers in the US? |
| 21:02.47 | Samot | So people in the US can have German cell service? |
| 21:03.28 | Samot | It would require the foreign country to have tower presence in the US in some manner. |
| 21:05.52 | monsterco | no I don't assume that |
| 21:06.13 | Samot | So if you go to the from Canada to the US and you have Bell, good chance that Bell has a deal with ATT (since ATT has stake in Bell) and you can use ATT towers. |
| 21:06.26 | Samot | Now Bell is going to charge you a roaming fee for that. |
| 21:08.57 | Samot | So as I said Carrier X in Country Y needs to have presence at US cell towers or have their own US mobile network. |
| 21:11.40 | Samot | monsterco: So this would be based on the SIM card right? Put in the SIM and bam, connect to a tower like any other cell service? |
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| 21:38.47 | kjetilho | Samot: yes, GSM has worldwide roaming |
| 21:39.06 | Samot | I didn't say it didn't. |
| 21:39.24 | Samot | No tower is no tower. |
| 21:41.46 | kjetilho | yeah, the answer to his original question is "no". |
| 21:42.46 | Samot | Well the scenario I just laid out says yes. |
| 21:43.11 | Samot | Someone from Canada in the US connected back to their Canadian cell network. |
| 21:43.35 | kjetilho | does anyone do that, though? broadcast other's networks from their tower? |
| 21:43.48 | Samot | It just requires the right agreements and infrastructure. |
| 21:44.01 | Samot | This is how you have Cricket's and RedPocket's. |
| 21:44.10 | Samot | MNVO's |
| 21:44.35 | Samot | They use carrier X's network and carrier X routes traffic back to them. |
| 21:44.40 | kjetilho | they are not roaming? |
| 21:44.49 | Samot | In those cases no. |
| 21:45.07 | file | Bell and Telus are a good example up here in Canada |
| 21:45.07 | Samot | But like I said Bell can roam over ATT. |
| 21:45.15 | kjetilho | so on your phone, it says "connected to RedPocket", not ATT or whatever? |
| 21:45.18 | Samot | Because Bell / ATT have a deal. |
| 21:45.24 | Samot | RedPocket IS the carrier. |
| 21:45.32 | Samot | They are a Virtual Mobile Carrier. |
| 21:45.36 | Samot | They use Verizon. |
| 21:45.49 | kjetilho | so the phone says the connection is to? |
| 21:45.50 | Samot | They could also use ATT |
| 21:46.07 | Samot | The pure network will show |
| 21:46.26 | Samot | If you look at available towers. |
| 21:46.27 | kjetilho | right, so they do not register to RedPocket, they register with the physical network provider |
| 21:46.34 | Samot | Yes they do. |
| 21:46.38 | Samot | They CONNECT to the tower. |
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| 21:46.52 | Samot | Verizon routes that request to RedPocket. |
| 21:46.58 | Samot | That's all they do |
| 21:47.08 | Samot | A x-connect to RedPocket's network. |
| 21:47.46 | kjetilho | ok. depends on the definition of "register" then, and your usage is probably more correct than mine :) |
| 21:47.58 | kjetilho | but then this is just normal roaming |
| 21:48.08 | Samot | So a carrier in France can make a deal with ATT in the US... |
| 21:48.19 | Samot | Their SIMs can connect to ATT towers. |
| 21:48.34 | Samot | Now how that backhaul happens between ATT and France is up to them. |
| 21:48.47 | Samot | How the France carrier charges their users for this service is also up to them. |
| 21:49.07 | Samot | They could say "1000 US Roaming Minutes and 1GB of US Roaming Data" |
| 21:49.24 | kjetilho | yes. this is one of the problems with the old setup in 3G, Internet data was transfered back from France to the US, and then routed onto the Internet. |
| 21:49.48 | Samot | Well on the data side that can be done two ways |
| 21:49.58 | Samot | Backhaul to France or co-locate in the US |
| 21:50.17 | Samot | So it is possible to be done, it just requires a lot. |
| 21:50.26 | Samot | I mean think about it. T-Mobile is a German company |
| 21:50.32 | Samot | But they have a US network. |
| 21:50.37 | Samot | And a German network. |
| 21:50.45 | Samot | So yeah, they could bridge the two easily. |
| 21:51.00 | kjetilho | I think there is no backhaul with 4G (LTE). it is all packet switched, after all. |
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