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| 18:22.53 | gruetzkopf | hey - i'm currently fighting some SIP devices that only support the L16/8000, L16/16000 and L16/22050 codecs - what do i need to enable? |
| 18:31.30 | igcewieling | I've never heard of those codecs. |
| 18:35.08 | igcewieling | See "ore show translation" and "core show codecs" |
| 18:35.25 | igcewieling | ..errr.... "core show translation" and "core show codecs" |
| 18:36.11 | Samot | Oh this is some ShoreWare phone isn't it? |
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| 19:02.46 | Samot | gruetzkopf: You going to answer the question? |
| 19:02.54 | gruetzkopf | nope |
| 19:03.40 | igcewieling | Well, that was easy. |
| 19:03.55 | gruetzkopf | asterisk lists the slin family, but that's not it |
| 19:04.31 | gruetzkopf | can i tell it "you'll never have to transcode, but don't touch the codec list"? |
| 19:05.56 | Samot | So what kind of SIP device is this? |
| 19:08.47 | igcewieling | gruetzkopf: not in Asterisk |
| 19:10.01 | igcewieling | I can't imagine any company being stupid enough to not support standard codecs. |
| 19:13.47 | gruetzkopf | PA system |
| 19:14.04 | gruetzkopf | alternative is ulaw, but that's not really an alternativre |
| 19:14.18 | gruetzkopf | linphone and consorts support L16 just fine |
| 19:15.49 | file | L16/8000 is slin, L16/16000 is slin16, although I've rarely seen anyone actually use them |
| 19:18.53 | Samot | How is ulaw not an alternative? |
| 19:20.42 | gruetzkopf | audio bandwidth |
| 19:20.56 | gruetzkopf | i'd prefer L16/22050 |
| 19:21.06 | file | Asterisk does not support 22050. |
| 19:21.11 | gruetzkopf | hmm |
| 19:22.23 | Samot | Is your bandwidth some how limited? |
| 19:22.27 | Samot | ulaw is like 80Kbps. |
| 19:24.03 | gruetzkopf | it's 64kbit/s plus RTP overhead, yeah |
| 19:24.14 | gruetzkopf | but i have _more_ network capacity and need better audio |
| 19:25.42 | Samot | So thought slin? |
| 19:34.21 | gruetzkopf | codec list of the PA system is L16/8000, L16/16000 and L16/22050, ulaw, alaw |
| 19:34.43 | gruetzkopf | some newer models support opus - but i don't know that in advance |
| 19:37.06 | Samot | ulaw/alaw/L168000 are basically the same. |
| 19:37.18 | Samot | 8kHz |
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| 19:56.43 | sibiria | why not G.722? |
| 19:56.54 | sibiria | same bandwidth, miles better audio clarity |
| 19:57.51 | Samot | Well the device doesn't support it. |
| 21:12.53 | pa | is it free codec? |
| 21:13.27 | pa | btw, better than speex /opus? |
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| 21:52.09 | sibiria | g.722 is free today. it is not better than speex or opus |
| 21:52.24 | sibiria | but it has the benefit of being old and well-adopted |
| 21:52.38 | sibiria | high availability among devices and SIP softphones |
| 21:54.00 | khobo | how much do you think 1888-888-8888 is worth? |
| 21:54.18 | khobo | or maybe it's 1800-888-8888 the celino and barnes # |
| 22:20.03 | drmessano | OPUS is quickly becoming a standard for a lot of folks |
| 22:21.16 | igcewieling | Even Polycom supports Opus on at least some newer models. |
| 22:56.58 | drmessano | I think that's my goal for new phones at home |
| 22:57.02 | drmessano | Cheap and OPUS |
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| 23:33.54 | Samot | All the VVX phones got refreshed for it. |
| 23:37.25 | Samot | But generally for the mid to executive ranges. |
| 23:37.39 | Samot | I don't think the 1xx/2xx models have opus support. |
| 23:44.48 | drmessano | I need to find a supplier |
| 23:48.09 | Nautilus | hey guys, you helped me out when I was having issues with my friends VOIP service. I'm currently on voip.ms as one that was suggested, working fine, but I want to make sure I pick a solid provider. Most important to me is that I won't have issues porting in (or out, eventually?) our phone number. Who's best for that? |
| 23:48.34 | drmessano | voip.ms is a solid provider |
| 23:48.37 | Samot | ^^^ |
| 23:49.06 | Nautilus | ok great thanks for that! |
| 23:49.23 | Samot | Look, almost anyone is better than your friend. |
| 23:49.24 | Nautilus | On another Q you duys didnt seem to like Ubiquity APs. How come? |
| 23:49.30 | drmessano | TBF, it wouldn't have been suggested if it wasn't solid |
| 23:49.39 | Nautilus | heh, yea but the number is important to me (50+ years) |
| 23:49.46 | Samot | Well.. |
| 23:49.54 | Samot | Ubi has some issues. |
| 23:50.18 | drmessano | Ubiquiti is the Microsoft Windows of networking |
| 23:50.20 | Samot | They like you to have a controller for everything. So like their EdgeMAX routers, can't do certain things without the controller. |
| 23:50.49 | Samot | They like to EOL things within a few years or so. |
| 23:50.54 | Nautilus | ahyea I saw that controller stuff, can see that's a PITA for one or two APs |
| 23:51.15 | drmessano | Unlike Mikrotik where you can use an AP as a controller |
| 23:51.16 | Samot | Oh but it's even better. |
| 23:51.18 | drmessano | or another router |
| 23:51.21 | drmessano | or anything, really |
| 23:51.41 | Samot | If you have a bunch of Ubi stuff on a controller and your APs go EOL... |
| 23:51.45 | drmessano | "Clown Key" |
| 23:51.50 | Samot | But everything is fine, you CANNOT update the controller. |
| 23:51.52 | Nautilus | I've typically hused Netgears at home |
| 23:51.57 | Samot | Or anything else. |
| 23:52.11 | Samot | Because it won't work with the APs that are EOL and you couldn't update. |
| 23:52.22 | Nautilus | yep that'd suck |
| 23:52.24 | Samot | At least when Mikrotik EOL's hardware, it's just the hardware. |
| 23:52.41 | Samot | So you could get a router that was EOL'd 5 years ago and still put the current release on it. |
| 23:52.53 | Samot | Will all the features work? Maybe? |
| 23:52.57 | Samot | Maybe not. |
| 23:52.58 | drmessano | and at least when Mikrotik EOLs something, it's like a decade old and extinct.. But probably will allow updates for another 10 years |
| 23:53.42 | Samot | I have a customer with an EdgeMax router... |
| 23:53.48 | drmessano | Mikrotik EOLing something takes a lot, because a lot of it is built to last |
| 23:53.54 | Samot | It has no options for DHCP options. |
| 23:54.10 | drmessano | Right |
| 23:54.16 | drmessano | They need a clown key or controller |
| 23:54.21 | Samot | Because it needs the controller/clown key |
| 23:54.34 | Samot | So you can use stuff without the controller, just can't use all the features. |
| 23:55.35 | Nautilus | I'll look at the Mikrotik stuff then. |
| 23:55.50 | drmessano | yeah |
| 23:55.54 | drmessano | We even have a nice channel |
| 23:55.58 | drmessano | ##mikrotik |
| 23:56.09 | drmessano | As long as you're not useless or a troll, we'll help |
| 23:57.29 | Nautilus | ah cool I'll head there |
| 23:58.14 | Nautilus | going to have to step away for a while but saw ya both here so wanted to check on voip.ms for now. |
| 23:58.30 | drmessano | Yeah, just holler whenever |
| 23:58.55 | Nautilus | thanks again |