| 00:13.29 | Zombie | I was incapacitated for a while. |
| 00:14.03 | Zombie | After getting Voicemail working, I immediately passed out, and woke up in bed wondering where I was. |
| 00:17.53 | Samot | Stop the hard drinking. |
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| 03:13.24 | hardwire | calling Stasis from the b(...) context via Dial when originating a call via Stasis is not advised. |
| 03:13.49 | hardwire | Just trying to get a dang userevent out of the b(...) context |
| 03:15.01 | hardwire | Right now I'm having to scan SIP headers in order to get the pjsip call-id as the call starts. |
| 03:15.41 | hardwire | For the life of me can't get a CEL Userevent or ARI Userevent to emit from within b(...) |
| 03:15.49 | hardwire | resorts to curl |
| 03:32.16 | hardwire | should I be using U(...) to get at the pjsip call-id and emit a Userevent? |
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| 06:49.47 | hardwire | I solved this by using func_curl to post to the local ARI event endpoint for user events. lol |
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| 08:46.42 | verzo | igcewieling: After our conversation about a day ago, I removed realtime from loading. |
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| 11:50.51 | Zombie | I think I'm ready for the Final phase of this long journey. |
| 11:53.08 | Samot | Oh do tell |
| 11:55.42 | Zombie | The last leg of this journey is Faxing |
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| 13:07.10 | Zombie | Alright, I need some pointers here. |
| 13:08.20 | Zombie | I have two Asterisk servers, could I find a way to get them simulating the act of faxing each other, by sending an arbitrary PDF on one end, and getting the same Arbitrary PDF on the other? another? |
| 13:08.40 | Samot | No. |
| 13:09.05 | Zombie | Explain? |
| 13:09.15 | Samot | You don't simulate a fax. |
| 13:09.17 | Samot | Explained. |
| 13:10.21 | Zombie | When I have to send a real fax containing real content, I need a way of ensuring it will work. |
| 13:10.36 | Samot | That's why you test. |
| 13:10.53 | Zombie | I have no real Fax machines. |
| 13:11.09 | Samot | Who said you need a fax machine? |
| 13:11.33 | Zombie | I shouldn't and that is the point. |
| 13:11.44 | Samot | Go sign up for a free online fax server |
| 13:11.46 | Samot | Go sign up for a free online fax service |
| 13:11.54 | Samot | Go get a 30-day free trial |
| 13:12.00 | Samot | Send faxes from that |
| 13:12.04 | Samot | Boom. |
| 13:12.52 | Zombie | This is not something a 30 day Trial can cover. |
| 13:13.05 | Samot | Then I guess you're screwed. |
| 13:13.32 | Samot | If you can't figure out faxing on the system in 30 days then you're better off just getting a service somewhere. |
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| 13:19.46 | obrut | Zombie: if you need to send PDF to one, fax between them, and get PDF from other one... make PDF file transfer between them and tell everyone that it went through fax :) |
| 13:20.09 | obrut | ftp, sftp, even mail can do it :) |
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| 13:24.09 | obrut | but usually it is done by converting pdf to fax compatible tiff file and then faxing the file but how it is faxed depends how asterisk is connected to "the world" |
| 13:27.21 | obrut | back in time I created multitenant hosted fax solution based on asterisk, asterisk was connected to the world with E1 links... you had dedicated fax number and mail address... so you sent mail with PDF (or word/openoffice doc) to the recepientnumber@hostedfaxdomain and it would convert PDF to tiff and sent fax through E1 link... if someone sent fax from the world to your number it would come throung E1 |
| 13:27.27 | obrut | link, tiff file was converted to PDF and sent to predefined e-mail adresses associated with that fax number |
| 13:29.24 | obrut | with digium "fax for asterisk" it worked pretty ok, also we were using something full opensource, I cannot remember the name... |
| 13:30.51 | obrut | I know that people were also using hylafax with iaxmodem or whatever... but it was really long time ago, cannot remember |
| 13:32.37 | yang | Zombie: I had hylafax setup 10+ years ago, I believe it can be done in current times aswell |
| 13:35.39 | Zombie | obrut, I have a VDSL Connection with no Analogue Components. |
| 13:38.03 | Samot | Right because you wanted a SIP trunk. |
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| 13:38.19 | Samot | So that means your faxing over the PSTN will be via the SIP trunk which means T.38 |
| 13:38.51 | Samot | How do you plan to send faxes if you don't have a fax machine? |
| 13:38.55 | Samot | What's the plan for that? |
| 13:40.39 | Zombie | Well, I have a Flat Bed Scanner. :) |
| 13:40.43 | Samot | OK |
| 13:40.46 | obrut | T.38 could work if his provider or whatever other side supports T.38 :) |
| 13:40.48 | Samot | So you've scanned a document. |
| 13:40.54 | Samot | Again, how are you going to SEND it? |
| 13:41.03 | Samot | How do you get it to Asterisk to process and send out as a fax? |
| 13:41.19 | Zombie | That's part of what I am working on. |
| 13:41.23 | Zombie | Just a moment. |
| 13:41.27 | Samot | And what's the plan? |
| 13:41.30 | Zombie | I'll explain the plan. |
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| 13:41.43 | Zombie | Just, I need to take care of something. |
| 13:42.03 | Samot | Oh boy. |
| 13:42.28 | Zombie | I just need to take some trash out to the bin. |
| 13:42.43 | Zombie | It won't take me a few minutes. |
| 13:42.48 | Zombie | Relax and calm dowm/ |
| 13:43.10 | Samot | Tell your mom that and you'll get to the trash later. You're doing important things. |
| 13:43.38 | Zombie | I don't live with my Mom. :) |
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| 14:35.56 | Zombie | I got it all cleaned up. |
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| 14:47.30 | Samot | It took an hour to take the trash out? |
| 14:47.35 | Samot | So where is this plan? |
| 14:48.38 | igcewieling | eats popcorn |
| 14:49.19 | Samot | 9:41:30 AM <Zombie> I'll explain the plan. |
| 14:49.19 | Samot | 9:42:28 AM <Zombie> I just need to take some trash out to the bin. |
| 14:49.19 | Samot | 9:42:43 AM <Zombie> It won't take me a few minutes. |
| 14:49.37 | Zombie | The idea is that I can use send fax to send a fax, and have HylaFax turn received Faxes into E-mail Attachments. |
| 14:49.57 | Samot | OK how does the fax get to Asterisk? |
| 14:50.06 | Zombie | iaxmodem. |
| 14:50.49 | Zombie | I already know IAX Modem works, Connecting it to HylaFax however, I'm not so sure about. |
| 14:54.33 | Zombie | Honestly, sending a paper Document to a said Government Agency will be a very rare occurance. |
| 14:55.31 | Zombie | HylaFax Detects IAX Modem. |
| 14:57.45 | Zombie | The files I need to send are PDF to begin with. |
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| 15:38.30 | Zombie | Somewhere aling the way I lost the plot. |
| 15:59.05 | drmessano | Why do you need hylafax for that |
| 16:02.15 | Samot | Well I have a feeling this will be one of those things hours are spent getting it setup and then it's not used for 8 months and look at that, it's not working right. Helpz. |
| 16:05.54 | drmessano | Zombie: http://asteriskdocs.org/en/3rd_Edition/asterisk-book-html-chunk/Fax_id263810.html |
| 16:06.26 | drmessano | Not sure why you would want Hylafax |
| 16:11.21 | TandyUK | you realise 20205 fax dies right... now is the time to be moving into the 21st century |
| 16:11.36 | TandyUK | if BT gets its way in the UK anyway |
| 16:11.42 | TandyUK | 2025* |
| 16:13.29 | drmessano | Yeah, this has already played out. He can't use email because he needs to send sensitive medical data to a govt agency from his home and they don't pay attention to email because of coronavirus, so fax is the only way |
| 16:13.52 | drmessano | 13:59:31 â @seanbright hands out cyanide tablets |
| 16:14.08 | drmessano | The leftover tablets are on the table near the entrance |
| 16:15.33 | TandyUK | ty |
| 16:16.13 | drmessano | Only took him 3 months to get voicemail to email working |
| 16:17.10 | sibiria | TandyUK: how are they supposed to "end" it? |
| 16:17.32 | TandyUK | sibiria: pull the power core, usually works :) |
| 16:17.39 | TandyUK | cord* |
| 16:17.58 | sibiria | no; how does faxing die in the UK? how will BT prevent it? |
| 16:18.00 | Samot | So there is one big power cord for fax? |
| 16:18.02 | TandyUK | oh you mean fax dying? |
| 16:18.05 | Samot | Yes. |
| 16:18.42 | TandyUK | right sorry no, BT wants to make the whole PSTN digital/voip by 2025, and not have to support t38 or whatever alternative they can come up with |
| 16:18.58 | sibiria | you can still do modem/fax the analog way |
| 16:19.05 | TandyUK | theres resistance against the idea atm, but the con artists are in power, so its bound to happen anyway |
| 16:19.22 | sibiria | (it being 2-ish kHz audio) |
| 16:19.37 | Samot | How will BT make the "whole" PSTN this? |
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| 16:19.48 | sibiria | but i get the problem with dismantling the POTS grid |
| 16:19.49 | Samot | Since that is impossible. |
| 16:19.52 | TandyUK | sorry "the part of the PSTN BT has control over" |
| 16:19.56 | TandyUK | which in the UK, is most of it |
| 16:19.57 | Samot | There you go. |
| 16:20.02 | sibiria | a lot of countries in Europe is doing the same |
| 16:20.15 | sibiria | (not dismantling it, but they will no longer service it, nor expand it) |
| 16:20.44 | TandyUK | someone really needs to make the "email machine" |
| 16:21.02 | TandyUK | loks and feels much like a fax machine, but under th hood is a scanner, email client and emails pdf's around |
| 16:21.11 | TandyUK | and when recieveing, possibly prints them automatically |
| 16:22.07 | Samot | A fax is an as close to possible copy of the original. |
| 16:22.41 | sibiria | traditional b&w fax has a few problems in my opinion.. low resolution, contrast/level issues |
| 16:22.45 | Samot | It going in a machine on one side would scan the scoument to send it. |
| 16:23.11 | Samot | But it's meant to be related to the state of the document. |
| 16:23.22 | Samot | Emailing a PDF doesn't show it was tampered with. |
| 16:23.40 | TandyUK | there is such a thing as a digitally signed pdf |
| 16:23.51 | Samot | Yes. |
| 16:23.56 | sibiria | people don't even know how to verify GPG signatures in e-mail |
| 16:24.11 | sibiria | ...people don't even know such things exist! |
| 16:24.35 | TandyUK | people are stupid, but there are tools to just do it automagically, and present a tick or corss (much like the ssl padlock BS) |
| 16:25.06 | TandyUK | not that anyone really pays atention anyway, so it probably a waste of effort for 95% of people anyway |
| 16:25.48 | sibiria | if it were up to me we should just have stuck with royal wax seals |
| 16:26.56 | sibiria | mess with the King's vellum and you'll get to enjoy the dungeon |
| 16:27.02 | Samot | Well I'm not sure how being IP/Digital and not doing T.38 is going to make faxing "die" |
| 16:27.06 | drmessano | To be fair, the need for fax is 50% "We will only accept that via fax" and 50% "I will only use fax because email is too new" |
| 16:27.18 | Samot | People already fax without T.38 over SIP |
| 16:27.32 | Samot | Not sure how this will impact that. |
| 16:28.23 | Samot | And just so we understand... |
| 16:28.41 | Samot | We're talking about emailing PDFs around for someplace like a doctors office who could be using a gmail.com address. |
| 16:29.16 | Samot | So at some point there is dealing with the storage of these documents and their sensitivity. |
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| 17:00.07 | Zombie | This is more a Government thing. |
| 17:00.43 | Zombie | This is not the only way this Agency will work with you. |
| 17:01.32 | Zombie | They also send out Envelopes that they expect to be filled with certain documents and mailed back, on a regular basis. |
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| 18:11.40 | igcewieling | Does anyone here successfully use SIP with "Greenwave-G1100-Verizon-Quantum"? I've be interested in how. |
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| 18:32.53 | igcewieling | considers trying Bria |
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| 18:45.19 | WizJin | hi |
| 18:45.25 | WizJin | we are using asterisk 13 paired with vicidial |
| 18:45.48 | WizJin | we are trying to limit the call duration using function Set(TIMEOUT(absolute) |
| 18:45.51 | WizJin | but somehow its not working |
| 18:57.07 | Samot | Yes because that has nothing to do with the call timeout. |
| 18:59.50 | igcewieling | 'absolute': The absolute maximum amount of time permitted for a call. Setting of 0 disables the timeout. |
| 19:01.28 | Samot | Kinda figured the L option of Dial() was for this. |
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| 19:09.10 | igcewieling | Maybe he is reading docs from 2004? |
| 19:13.16 | WizJin | so how to limit call duration ? |
| 19:15.20 | WizJin | https://jsfiddle.net/Ltprfyoe/ |
| 19:15.22 | WizJin | this is my dial plan |
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| 19:22.42 | Heart_And_Chops | i've managed to muddle up some configuration from upgrading. My asterisk server starts, but it puts the asterisk.ctl file at /run/asterisk/asterisk.ctl but when i try to connect to the CLI with `asterisk -vr` i get: Unable to connect to remote asterisk (does /var/run/asterisk/asterisk.ctl exist?) |
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| 19:31.06 | ilius | Heart_And_Chops, the "astrundir" and the control file are defined in asterisk.conf, while your rc script or systemd script might need to be aware of proper location for rundir. |
| 19:32.34 | Heart_And_Chops | thanks |
| 19:33.44 | ilius | If it can't find it, I believe you can specify the socket file manually with -s |
| 19:37.01 | Heart_And_Chops | i am giving up an reinstalling a fresh install. i've hosed this thing, it crashed mid upgrade (dist-upgrade) and i have wasted 3 hours now trying to fix it. it'll be faster to just redeploy at this point |
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| 19:44.17 | igcewieling | Exactly what version are you trying to upgrade from and to? |
| 19:49.01 | Heart_And_Chops | some version of raspbx to a newer version. honestly didn't even check, i just ran the upgrades since it had been a while. |
| 19:49.12 | Heart_And_Chops | all good though, already wiped the SD gonna reinstall |
| 19:49.16 | Heart_And_Chops | thanks for your help |
| 19:49.44 | igcewieling | Well, if you were doing something stupid like upgrading 1.4 to v15, I'd expect a problem. |
| 19:49.57 | Heart_And_Chops | heh yeah, probably |
| 19:49.58 | Heart_And_Chops | lol |
| 19:50.11 | Heart_And_Chops | its ok. its a really simple pbx as far as pbx's go. just one extension for my desk. |
| 19:55.55 | Samot | 3:49:01 PM <Heart_And_Chops> some version of raspbx to a newer version. honestly didn't even check, < haha. |
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| 20:08.07 | igcewieling | Samot: Google play store, do you know the difference between counterpath "bria voip softphone" and counterpath "Bria Mobile"? |
| 20:13.16 | Samot | The first is for Teams, the second is for personal. |
| 20:13.40 | Samot | The first one is like Enterprise. Doesn't cost anything because you're given creds to use with it. |
| 20:14.02 | Samot | Bria Mobile is, get the license for the phone and setup your own SIP stuff in the app. |
| 20:14.16 | Samot | Not tied to the Bria platforms. |
| 20:15.18 | Samot | I believe Bria Mobile will give you 30 days of the standard subscription for free. |
| 20:15.26 | Samot | Then drop you to the free license. |
| 20:19.19 | igcewieling | Samot: thanks |
| 20:20.11 | drmessano | Bria Mobile is the legacy product |
| 20:22.50 | Samot | Oh yeah, it's Bria Solo now. |
| 20:24.48 | Samot | Hrm, it was updated yesterday and is the current stable version. |
| 20:25.00 | Samot | I wonder if they just haven't rebranded it in the Play Store yet. |
| 20:25.50 | igcewieling | which one? |
| 20:26.16 | Samot | Bria Mobile. |
| 20:26.22 | Samot | The one that cost |
| 20:26.39 | igcewieling | The one which has a yearly/monthly license fee. |
| 20:27.04 | Samot | Correct, that has been branded Bria Solo now. |
| 20:27.10 | igcewieling | I suppose it might be worth linking a credit card to my google play account. |
| 20:27.43 | igcewieling | ah, I'd forgotten you can buy giftcards for that sort of thing. |
| 20:27.56 | Samot | Yup. |
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| 20:46.31 | drmessano | Bria Solo and Bria Mobile are not the same |
| 20:47.16 | drmessano | Bria Mobile is monthly/annual purchase via the app store and will stick around for some time |
| 20:47.30 | drmessano | Bria Solo is the one you subscribe to and admin via the portal |
| 20:47.31 | igcewieling | well since there is no Bria Solo for Android, it doesn't matter to me. |
| 20:47.52 | drmessano | I still use Bria Mobile |
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| 21:12.48 | Samot | Ahhh |
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