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| 16:14.22 | Toneloc | Hi everyone, I'm new to the world of PBX's and I'm looking to set one up for my family. What I want to make is a cell-phone to voip gateway |
| 16:14.50 | Toneloc | I'm unsure if what I want to do is reasonably possible/ within my capabilities |
| 16:17.34 | Toneloc | I want someone to call in on a cell phone to the pbx, the pbx reads their CLI , but rejects the call - then immediately calls them back by using VOIP, the cell phone user can then dial the number they wish to call and the pbx places the call to the other end using VOIP |
| 16:18.46 | Toneloc | I know I could build this in pure hardware, but a PBX would be a neat solution |
| 16:21.31 | Samot | Why wouldn't you just make them authenticate with a passcode before letting them dial the digits? |
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| 16:51.40 | Toneloc | Samot - it's not about authentication - it's about avoiding cell phone charges |
| 16:52.04 | Samot | OK. |
| 16:52.15 | Samot | So you're going to let anyone do this? |
| 16:52.31 | Toneloc | No - restricted to that cell phone number |
| 16:52.47 | Toneloc | And possibly a passcode also |
| 16:52.58 | Samot | Toneloc: This is a thing that exists already, the term is DISA = Direct Inward System Access. |
| 16:53.03 | igcewieling | ah, you must be in Europe. |
| 16:53.38 | Toneloc | igcewieling - yeap, we get killed on cell phone charges if we aen't on a contract/bundle |
| 16:54.02 | Samot | Toneloc: And when I asked my question is was more about the user calling in, entering a code and then making the call versus the user calling in, getting hung up on, getting a call back and then entering numbers |
| 16:54.10 | igcewieling | Toneloc: in the USA/Canada call cell calls cost, even incoming calls to a cell. |
| 16:54.24 | igcewieling | Toneloc: in the USA/Canada all cell calls cost, even incoming calls to a cell. |
| 16:54.26 | Toneloc | Samot- that's great, that gives me a term to google and read up on ! |
| 16:54.59 | Toneloc | Samot - i don't want the caller's call to ever be answered - no charges then |
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| 16:56.51 | Toneloc | Is it possible to do where the cell user dials in the PBXnumber + number the want to call, eg : 123456678pWIFESNUMBER |
| 16:57.00 | Toneloc | p for the pause |
| 16:57.05 | Samot | No. |
| 16:57.22 | Toneloc | Samot - only works if the call is answered? |
| 16:57.46 | Samot | Well what you can dial out on your cell phone is limited to what your cell phone carrier allows |
| 16:57.55 | Samot | So if they don't let you do that, then no. |
| 16:58.06 | Samot | Otherwise the PBX has to answer the call to process it. |
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| 16:58.36 | Samot | So you have no cost to incoming calls? |
| 16:59.25 | Toneloc | Ok, would I be right in saying that cell phones send DTMF in-band? |
| 16:59.49 | Toneloc | I know PSTN/POTS does still, VOIP fails at it |
| 17:00.03 | Toneloc | At least the codecs I have used |
| 17:00.54 | Samot | Carriers are using VoIP more than you think. |
| 17:01.20 | Samot | Just because there is copper coming to your house these days doesn't mean it is 100% copper all the way through |
| 17:01.33 | Samot | So VoIP fails at DTMF is a very incorrect statement. |
| 17:02.03 | Samot | Considering the amount of the PSTN that is now IP based. |
| 17:02.36 | Toneloc | Ok, point taken |
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| 17:05.24 | Toneloc | What would the industry term for the call-back idea that I have described? |
| 17:11.18 | Samot | Carrier/Service Provider |
| 17:11.27 | Samot | Because that's where you're getting into. |
| 17:11.39 | Samot | Again, do you have any costs associated with inbound? |
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| 17:17.09 | Toneloc | No cost for inbound |
| 17:39.46 | igcewieling | Generally, carriers prevent audio from caller to callee before the call is answered. This is to prevent IVRs from working on the called number until the call is answered and starts billing. |
| 17:40.12 | igcewieling | audio, in this case, includes DTMF. |
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| 17:52.22 | Toneloc | igcewieling - that makes sense |
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