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00:49.17velixIs it better to play silence or wait() ?
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01:00.32Kobazdepends what you want to accomplish
01:00.59KobazI've had issues with certain systems where doing an Answer(), Wait(1) would not start the audio stream, but doing Playback(silence/1) did
01:01.06Kobazdepends what's on the other end
01:01.22KobazI haven't needed to use those sorts of hacks since Asterisk 1.8/11 though
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08:29.08_abc_I made the androids work with the * on lan, there was one more firewall on which I had not accounted for. It's still not possible to qualify local (non nat) clients in asterisk.
08:29.30_abc_It must be a version thing, it works with another version of * at another location.
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08:36.25sibiriavelix: you can't really customize anything with cdr_csv. that module has a more or less fixed set of records it stores per call. cdr_custom is what you want to use for customized CSV-based CDRs
09:18.36_abc_Has anyone got a setup for lumicall app settings with plain SIP? Non sip_srtp, i.e. port 5060 instead of 5061?
09:19.04_abc_It seems the apk I got from f-droid.org is broken, does not want to honor 5060 at all
09:37.56velixsibiria: Okay, I thought, this would have been possible.
09:38.05velixhmm, Anyone with an idea, why i get hundrets of "Received SSL traffic on RTP instance '0x5649d9b53f40' without an SSL session" ?
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10:35.11Cyrillaxvelix: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2015-February/285720.html
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10:48.58velixCyrillax: Yeah, I've read this yesterday night. So I need an TLS setup?
10:49.56_abc_So, does anyone have a non SRTP settings set for lumicall and asterisk? On lan for now?
10:50.34_abc_I tried v199 latest and v198 of lumicall and neither connects to the set registrar and sip server asterisk on lan. Trying to find out with tcpdump where the heck it is going.
10:57.05Cyrillaxvelix: If that's legitimate traffic, then yea. I would trace the traffic wireshark and make sure it's legitimate.
10:58.07velixCyrillax: It's between the commercial SIP provider and my Asterisk PBX. Maybe he uses cryption.
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12:09.01velixDoes "Locally RTP bridged" mean, my PBX mixes the RTP streams?
12:09.50fileit forwards the RTP packets, yes
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12:43.51velixI've still have problems with one trunk (the PBX of our University). My PBX connects their PBX. I also have a commercial SIP trunk. The clients are connecting their softphone to my PBX. Then I'm originating a call to the other party and to the client. Asterisk does a simple or native bridge here. It works perfectly over the commercial trunk, but over the University, nobody can hear the other party. Kobaz did a great analysis and it's a fault of their
12:43.52velixPBX. Now the admin told me, I need a STUN at the clients side. That's totally wrong, isn't it?
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12:46.58Cyrillaxvelix:Not necessarily. If the University PBX is behind a NAT or even just a firewall, and asterisk isn't in the media stream, then the device between the univ PBX and the client might not recognize the RTP packets going to the university PBX as authorized
12:47.28CyrillaxIf you place a call directly from * to the university PBX, do you get 2-way audio?
12:47.59velixSometimes. It sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.
12:48.12velixThe admin says: coincidence, since the right port was hit.
12:48.28CyrillaxAnd is the university PBX NAT'd or just firewalled
12:48.42Cyrillaxsounds like some kind of NAT based on what the admin says, so i'll rephrase
12:48.50Cyrillaxdoes the university PBX have a public IP address
12:48.52velixuniversity is NATed and firewalled.
12:49.46velixCyrillax: even worse, I need a real. The host is 192.168.103.10, and the outboundproxy is via TCP (the public IP)
12:49.51velixrealm*
12:50.19velixSo it's my.pbx -> pbx.univer.city -> 192.168.103.10
12:50.36velixdirectmedia is set to no
12:50.44CyrillaxRight, okay, well it sounds like you got the registration and calling authentication working
12:51.01velixyes
12:51.10velixIt sometimes breaks... but that's another story :D
12:51.22Cyrillaxokay so here's what you need to do
12:51.34Cyrillaxyou need to setup to use ice between itself and the university
12:51.40Cyrillaxsetup asterisk to use ice8
12:51.44Cyrillaxice*
12:52.03Cyrillaxthen as long as your * box is on a public IP, your users shouldn't need to use ice
12:52.15velixmine is on public IP.
12:52.24velixicesupport=yes <-- set and now in rtp.conf
12:53.02velixlet me look up, what rtp.conf needs for ice ;)
12:53.07Cyrillaxyou also need to setup the stun and turn server config
12:53.12Cyrillaxhttps://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Interactive+Connectivity+Establishment+%28ICE%29+in+Asterisk
12:53.30velixyeah
12:53.37CyrillaxICE basically uses STUN and then TURN if STUN fails, and ICE coordinates it all
12:53.58velixI've got a STUN server from my commercial trunk.
12:54.03velixBut where do I get a TURN server?
12:54.44fileICE requires support on both sides, you can't just turn it on in Asterisk
12:55.05velixSo the University's PBX also need it?
12:55.18filethat is how ICE works, yes
12:55.26velixIt's a innovaphone... I don't know ... let me look it up
12:55.56Cyrillaxhm I thought you said the admin of the network said to use ice
12:56.12Cyrillaxi see now he didn't actually say they used it
12:57.31velixHe said, my clients (!) should use a STUN
12:57.55fileSTUN standalone provides discovery of external IP address
12:59.55velixBut for which side? My clients might be behind a nat (router at home), but it works with my commercial SIP trunk.
13:00.01velixSeveral hundret calls without a failure.
13:00.17CyrillaxRight it sounds like the issue is between your * and the university
13:00.20velixBut about every 2-3 calls through the University trunk fails.
13:00.37CyrillaxFail means one-way audio?
13:00.38SamotThen here's an idea.
13:00.42SamotStop using them.
13:01.16Cyrillax+1. May I ask what you need to connect to their PBX for anyway?
13:01.18SamotThey have been problematic since the start, they lack proper support....
13:01.41SamotThey can't even tell you why they randomly send back 403 Forbidden errors.
13:02.29velixCyrillax: no way audio :-)
13:02.37velixCyrillax: Nobody can hear anone.
13:02.55velixCyrillax: They've got a flatrate on mobile phone numbers.
13:03.11velixSamot: Yeah, funny thing. The 403 errors seem to be common for Innovaphone.
13:03.18velixSamot: Just wait 3-4 minutes, it was up again
13:03.22SamotF'ing Germany.
13:03.27velix100% true :D
13:03.40velixf'ing German IT department.
13:03.53velixI'm half turk, half German ;)
13:03.54SamotThe worst deployments of SIP I've ever seen come from that country.
13:03.58velix^_^
13:04.19velixBut they say, it's my fault... that's makes me crazy.
13:04.23sibiriawe've only had problems with one german ITSP; used a few of them
13:04.35Cyrillaxover-engineering
13:04.45SamotLike you being on the same local network as the Universities network but using a PUBLIC PROXY
13:05.22Cyrillaxomg he's really on the same lan? I thought he just had his local lan configured to be the same subnet
13:05.25velixSamot: No, I'm outside.
13:05.27velixNo no no nooo
13:05.28velixnooo
13:05.30velixNoooo!
13:05.36SamotThat's not what you said before.
13:05.49velixSamot: For _testing_ I ocne was on the same network.
13:05.50SamotYou had a VPN/private connection from the DC with the schools networks
13:05.55velixMy PBX is in a big datacenter.
13:06.06velixYes, for local testing and dev @ home.
13:06.26SamotOh so all that we helped you with in the beginning isn't even in play here?
13:06.28SamotAwesome.
13:06.32Cyrillaxfacepalm
13:06.35SamotSo glad.
13:06.50SamotCyrillax: This has been weeks.
13:07.02Cyrillaxgood lorf
13:07.03Cyrillaxlord
13:07.03velixSamot: Nah, the OpenVPN stuff was a different problem.
13:07.54SamotSo now there is NAT involved between you and the school?
13:08.17velixOnly on the University's side. So yes.
13:08.36Cyrillaxsenses danger...
13:08.36velixI'm directly on the Internet without a nat.
13:08.53SamotSo when you said you had no audio weeks ago you said there was no NAT between you and the school. You kept dismissing NAT based issues.
13:09.01SamotBecause of VPNs and shit.
13:09.04SamotSo we worked on that.
13:09.07SamotAnd around that
13:09.11SamotNow all that is gone.
13:09.14velixSamot: No, that was the client to my PBX side. I fixed that.
13:09.20SamotOK.
13:09.22velixSamot: I had a NAT on my side before.
13:09.28SamotOK.
13:09.29velixI removed it. Then all the clients worked.
13:09.39SamotSo continue to use them because they have flat mobile rates.
13:09.43velixThey've done more than 300 successful calls over a paid trunk.
13:09.48SamotYou will continue to have your issues.
13:10.13velixSure. But the IT guys says: "just tell them to enter a STUN in their client to fix all your issues".
13:10.18CyrillaxEven if you get it setup properly, it doesn't sound like they have a robus infrastructure in order to keep consistent calls
13:10.37SamotHow's does a STUN server between you and your end users fix what happens between YOU AND HIM?
13:10.37CyrillaxThat's not going to help
13:10.44velixSamot: That's the question.
13:10.52Cyrillaxit won't
13:10.55SamotWhich hasn't been answered.
13:11.05velixKobaz said the same. The IT guy laught about this. I got angry
13:11.07SamotBecause that solution doesn't do anything to address it.
13:11.13velixtold the professor, who also got angry :)
13:11.25SamotOK.
13:11.31SamotSo clearly they don't know what they are doing.
13:11.39SamotBut hey, they got great mobile rates.
13:11.43velixSamot: That's what the old IT department chef said :)
13:11.56velixSamot: He quit the job some months ago because of stupidness
13:12.05Cyrillaxit's been going on months
13:12.06SamotI guess having low rates allows you to not know what you're doing.
13:12.30velixYou know, what I'd love to do? Install the VPN client on my PBX ...
13:12.32CyrillaxHow much is it going to cost you to switch to a reliable carrier with support
13:12.41SamotHe HAS one.
13:12.50_abc_Suggest why 2 androids connected as sip clients with linphone on both, both on wifi same lan as *, can call 620 but not each other? One says the other is busy the other times out on call.
13:12.55velixSamot: But I'm not allowed to use it on unauthorized devices.
13:13.15velixAnd guess what? They're using 2013 shrewsoft client, which ended support and break with a "segfault" on current Linux :D
13:14.03velixCyrillax: We've calculated this. About $2400 a year.
13:15.20CyrillaxI'm guessing you've probably used that much of Samot's time already :D
13:15.45SamotCyrillax: Time doesn't count man. Don't you know that?
13:16.08SamotBecause this is FOSS telephony baby, your time doesn't count.
13:16.11SamotIt's all FREEEEEE
13:17.24seanbrightit's a lot more than $2400
13:17.39seanbrightadd a 0
13:18.01SamotStudent labor man.
13:18.13SamotI'm guessing their getting paid in credits and grades and not $$$
13:18.31CyrillaxThe professor will keep all the profit
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13:22.10_abc_Is the "chat" feature in linphone and other clients routed through SIP messages or not? It seems to use a server too for some reason.
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13:32.21velixIt's a student project. So all the university can offer is the free acount. They're also not interessted (or keen) at doing support.
13:32.40velixCyrillax: Nah, it's no university initiated research project.
13:32.51velixCyrillax: part of a bigger student project
13:33.05velixAnd as a Geographer, we don't get any $$ from 3rd parties.
13:33.09velixNobody is interested in rocks.
13:33.16_abc_https://www.linphone.org/snapshots/docs/liblinphone/multilang/guides/chatroom.html ah ok, so 1:1 chat does not require a server. Great.
13:33.21velixWe better should do "rock".
13:33.43_abc_velix: call yourself a prospector in oil gas and energy and suddenly money.
13:34.03_abc_(emphasis on rocks and layout thereof)
13:34.20velix<3
13:34.26[TK]D-Fenderhttps://www.linphone.org/news/group-chat-now-available-linphone
13:34.43_abc_[TK]D-Fender: yes was reading the API docs above
13:35.09_abc_Trying to make that work with *, no success yet, version hell of linphone must be sorted 1st
13:36.05_abc_Ok so the latest version of linphone which works on android 4.4 (my lowest support level) is 4.0.1
13:36.19_abc_4.0.1 only has peer to peer chat as far as I can see
13:37.54_abc_So now I have trouble with no video call and no call client to client, with no directmedia and no reinvite in * with linphones.
13:37.57_abc_Fun.
13:37.57_abc_bbl
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13:41.58Kobazdo de do
13:43.06velixKobaz: ;)
13:44.23Kobazvelix: i really think it's a firewall issue, because you're having similar problems with another site
13:44.36Kobazand you're passing data on the same interface, right?
13:44.44velixUh wait? Firewall?
13:44.47Kobazyes
13:44.52KobazSIP ALG, that sort of thing
13:44.58velixKobaz: That's not my side.
13:45.03Kobazespecially since you do SIP OPTIONS, and the other site does not respond half the time
13:45.12velixKobaz: That's the university's PBX.
13:45.13Kobaznot your side, correct
13:45.16Kobazfirewall on the university
13:45.26velixsure, I told them, they laught again
13:45.46Kobazyou need to set up a meeting and face to face say, yer shit's broken
13:46.46velixKobaz: Not allowed, because of Corona :D
13:46.52velixMore than 2 people :)
13:47.01Kobazwell not literally in the face
13:47.15Kobazyou can all stand in a field 10 feet apart and yell at each other
13:47.16velixHehe, phone conference work on my PBX. Just had one with 7 people.
13:47.31velixgoogles up "feet" :)
13:47.37Kobaz1/3 of a meter
13:47.48velixMy barbier has closed, I'm looking like a werwolf
13:48.34velixKobaz: Sorry for asking this, but he asked me to: how can I force re-registration every 60 seconds?
13:48.34Kobaz3.3 meters apart
13:48.47velixKobaz: 2 meters are enough, but more is better, of course.
13:48.59velixProblem is, I need to travel to them by public transport (no car)
13:49.31Kobaza sneeze can travel further than 2 meters
13:50.05velixI can set the expiry... but is this enough to trigger a re-registration?
13:50.59Kobazretry interval
13:51.12Kobaztype=registration  retry_interval=60
13:51.16Kobazit's right in the example conf
13:51.21Kobazpjsip.conf.sample
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13:53.31velixKobaz: I'm still running this on chan_sip right now, since i didn't have  time to migrate all other settings to pjsip. Need to do it tonight.
13:54.10Kobazthat's also in the example config: sip.conf.sample
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14:01.46velixKobaz: I've used ...~60
14:01.59velixSince default & maxexpiry would affect the commercial trunk, too
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16:36.16velixhmm, doesn't "stun show status" exist anymore?
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16:38.15velixI've set res_stun_monitor.conf of course
16:38.49velixokay, I've got res_stun_monitor module
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17:08.16_abc_This is drving me nuts. I managed once to get a chat message passed between 2 androids running linphone connected in an asterisk call on the same wifi lan. Once. And never again.
17:09.00_abc_Getting information literally requires reverse engineering the source of linphonelib. Only noise online. What does SIP use for usual message passing? Unsolicited MESSAGE ?
17:09.36[TK]D-FenderThre is no concept of soliciting a message
17:09.47[TK]D-Fenderso that'd be an obvious "yes"
17:10.53_abc_in SIP debug I see "Unable to set format because channel Message/ast_msg_queue supports no formats"
17:11.05_abc_I don't see a channel Message in messagetypes
17:13.09[TK]D-FenderShow the actual full interation
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17:37.13velixInteresting, res_stun_monitor.so has been buikld, I can see it in the modules folder, but I cannot load it.
17:37.16velixbuild*
17:37.31velix"module show like stun" doesn't show it.
17:37.34velixOh come on...
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17:39.03velixah, core reload did it.
17:40.54velixgrrrr. PJ ICE Rx error status code: 370401 'Unauthorized'.
17:40.55velixlord!
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18:04.04_abc_Sorry, long phone call
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18:10.44velixAt least you *can* call
18:18.51pabelol
18:19.07_abc_not over sip...
18:26.21_abc_m=audio 19164 RTP/AVP 0 100 ;; m=video 0 RTP/AVP 96 97 ;; suggests video is trying for port 0 ?!
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18:26.59igcewielingsuggests no video supported
18:27.08_abc_This is an INVITE
18:27.15igcewielingright
18:27.18_abc_Huh. Why no video supported? Just a second
18:28.37_abc_Something is wrong. The androids support video. This is from an android to the server.
18:30.04_abc_sip debug can be enabled for more than one peer at a time in the cli?
18:33.13_abc_how does one unset a set debug mode on sip?
18:34.05_abc_got it
18:41.00_abc_Why does a registered phone get Unauthorized messages from the server in response to REGISTER messages? I find this is sticking out: WWW-Authenticate: Digest algorithm=MD5, realm="asterisk", ...
18:41.16_abc_realm "asterisk" is an internal auth thing? It does not seem to be in my config,
18:41.36filebecause SIP uses a challeng response mechanism for authentication
18:47.16_abc_that uses the nonce etc, no? "asterisk" is hard wired? I have a doubt?
18:47.59fileit is not hardcoded, it is configurable as to what is used
18:48.03filethe default is "asterisk"
18:48.17_abc_this is the realm= param in config, right?
18:48.52fileyes
18:56.07velixHmm... writing DB via manager needs "system" rights. Is this secure?
18:57.08_abc_* should pass video codec VP8 in non translating mode, right?
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19:04.22velixWhy do I need ICE for STUN? My softphone doesn't have ICE
19:04.46_abc_codec=vp8 works fine, the problem is not in *
19:08.00_abc_Right, after crashing each android once or twice I have video calls going with media through *
19:09.56_abc_Ok, now the chat.
19:10.25_abc_What the heck could make the chat not work right. Is there a specific media/codec type which must be enabled?
19:16.27velixyells at cloud
19:18.24[TK]D-Fenderwaits till there is something worth commenting on...
19:30.51igcewieling[TK]D-Fender: you'll be waiting for days.
19:31.43[TK]D-Fenderigcewieling, I've noticed the pattern. Squirrels... nothing but squirrels....
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21:10.10_abc_plays red squirrel
21:10.14_abc_save me save me
21:12.36_abc_Ok, are there specific settings needed to make chat peer to peer (no server in between) on linphone latest (4.2?) and linphone 4.0? Note the latter does not have the group chat thing, 4.2.3 seems to have it, there's a chat server url in settings. Both clients are on a lan, the same as the * server, no nat, no firewalls (all turned off). * call talk and video work in all directions.
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21:17.26[TK]D-Fendergrabs some popcorn
21:18.04_abc_you are having too much fun. I just cleaned the house a bit to discourage viruses on the floor.
21:18.41_abc_Is this in the asterisk online book/wiki or not?
21:18.50_abc_accept_outofcall_message=yes etc?
21:22.58_abc_The strange part is, got it to work earlyer and don't know why.
21:23.13_abc_w
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21:35.00_abc_Now it works in only one direction, clearly version issues in linphone.
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22:00.58_abc_Downgraded both to the same version which I assumed to work, now both don't. Giving up, will try other clients. * setup seems okay.
22:01.14_abc_Implemented this: http://highsecurity.blogspot.com/2012/03/asterisk-10-110-sms-messaging-or-sip.html
22:01.28_abc_Seems to do the job apart from the client's weirdness
22:01.39_abc_thanks for listening, especially [TK]D-Fender :)
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22:31.45Cyrillaxvelix: module load res_stun_monitor  # looks like you got it though
22:32.32Cyrillaxoh missed that line, where you did it with a core reload, disregard
22:45.46Cyrillaxvelix: Do you have any kind of firewall at all in front of your PBX? iptables/pfsense?
22:52.26CyrillaxCan you get a packet capture (in wireshark) of the call + rtp path of a call with 1-way audio? This will help me tremendously velix
22:52.48Cyrillaxmust include the sip traffic and the RTP packet, and it has to be a call with 1-way audio that you're tracing
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23:05.47acovrigIs it possible to Dial() a Queue? I would like to send a call to a queue, but play a message to the callee before connecting them to the caller
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23:26.08CyrillaxYes definitely
23:28.22acovrighow? if I try to Dial(Queue/###) it says Queue isn't a valid technology, if I try Queue(###,,,,,,macro-speak) it doesn't ring static members, and doesn't play the message on answering; I tried Dial(Local/quque) also, but IDK what the context should be
23:30.16CyrillaxYou would have to do Local/3333@ext-queues/n
23:30.33CyrillaxLocal is the TECH
23:31.51Cyrillaxthe extension "ext-queues" would be whatever context your Queue runs in
23:33.07CyrillaxSo if you haven't already, you would want to centralize your Queue access to a specific context, like [ext-queues] exten => 5555,1,Queue(5555,${QOPTIONS})
23:33.33Cyrillaxthen you can dial into the queue like I showed above
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23:40.11acovrigCyrillax thanks, I can dial the queue, but how do I have it play a message before the caller connects with the callee? I did something similar to this with Dial(,,,U(context^arg1^arg2)) which does a Playback() and Return() - I presume there's a way to do that with a queue?
23:42.26acovrigI tried a macro in the Queue() but it didn't seem to go, docs says "... once the parties are connected", which I presume isn't want I'm looking for?
23:44.17CyrillaxThat's significantly harder. It's been a while since I've done something similar, so I don't have a straight answer for you
23:46.11CyrillaxI'll think it over for a bit, but off the top of my head, conferences are extremely useful for doing odd things like this
23:46.37CyrillaxWhat's the full call path like here? Tell me how the user would end up talking to the agent in the queue
23:47.15Cyrillaxexample: user calls the phone number, presses 3, etc
23:47.27acovriguser calls an IVR, it gathers some info and drops them in a queue, my idea is for it to Flite() some of the info to the agent when the agent answers
23:48.30[TK]D-Fenderacovrig, then Macro is your way
23:48.41acovrigI'm guessing an agi would work/be better? user calls, agi sends info to a separate UI for the agent, then the agent can answer normally (it wouldn't need to read them any of the info as it would be displayed in a different medium)
23:53.22acovrig[TK]D-Fender where would I put the macro? in Queue()?
23:53.46[TK]D-Fenderacovrig, If you need to played to the member, yes

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