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03:39.52 | Sekyourbox | I'm a little confused about this realtime ldap usage. Anyone here use it? |
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03:44.11 | mrbrklyn | how do I hook up asterisk so that I can get calls on my phone number? |
03:44.22 | mrbrklyn | There must be a service to hook up to. |
03:48.04 | Sekyourbox | mrbrklyn: config files |
03:48.21 | Sekyourbox | you have to EDIT the config files |
03:49.04 | mrbrklyn | i can edit all the config files I want, but it is not going to help if there is noone to really my POTS phone number to me |
03:49.45 | drmessano | ~itsplist-us |
03:49.45 | infobot | Here are some popular ITSPs (USA) starting with the more respected ones: http://www.broadvoice.com, http://www.jnctn.com, http://www.sipstation.com, http://vitelity.net, http://voip.ms and http://flowroute.com |
03:55.38 | Sekyourbox | does the ldap user have to be in ldap form? That part doesn't make much sense |
03:55.50 | Sekyourbox | I want to connect to cn test cn com, |
03:56.15 | Sekyourbox | pull any user from ou= user |
03:56.37 | Sekyourbox | so I formulate the template to grab the DN? |
03:56.50 | Sekyourbox | any dn in that OU |
03:59.54 | mrbrklyn | i am very confused at this point |
04:01.20 | mrbrklyn | I need a VIOP gateway to host my own phone? |
04:03.45 | mrbrklyn | can I just install Astericks now on top of my new linux gateway that is connected to the cable companies "modem" with static IPs? |
04:03.59 | mrbrklyn | Or do I need specialized hardware? |
04:04.47 | mrbrklyn | like an internal PBX? |
04:04.55 | drmessano | You need an ITSP to connect to the Public telephone network |
04:05.07 | drmessano | You can't just put Asterisk on the internet and "get calls" |
04:07.11 | mrbrklyn | they assign my phone number |
04:07.47 | mrbrklyn | , I asume |
04:07.58 | drmessano | You buy DIDs (numbers) from them |
04:08.12 | drmessano | You pay them, usually per minute, for inbound/outbound calls |
04:08.38 | drmessano | Roughly $1 a month per DID, then maybe a penny per minute for calls |
04:08.57 | mrbrklyn | but do I need a special piece of hardware to connect to them, or can I just use a normal gateway and a new style IP phone |
04:09.44 | drmessano | Any linux box running Asterisk and an IP phone will give you a PBX and 1 extension |
04:10.10 | mrbrklyn | no more need for a seperate PBX |
04:10.33 | mrbrklyn | unless you have an analog phone |
04:10.46 | drmessano | Ehhh... In this case, you're configuring Asterisk to be your PBX |
04:11.06 | drmessano | If you mean like a traditional black-box PBX, no |
04:11.11 | drmessano | It's all software now |
04:11.37 | drmessano | and yes, unless you have an analog phone or analog line, no need for special hardware |
04:12.04 | mrbrklyn | but obviously you can not hook up a traditional phone without special hardware to do the digital to analog conversion |
04:12.14 | mrbrklyn | :) |
04:12.36 | drmessano | You can buy a card if you want to connect to a pots line, or plug in an analog phone, or just an ATA for an analog phone |
04:12.38 | mrbrklyn | drmessano has been through these questions before :) |
04:12.51 | drmessano | My home PBX is hosted in a VPS |
04:13.04 | drmessano | My analog phones are on a $40 ATA |
04:13.21 | drmessano | I haven't touched an analog card in a decade |
04:13.41 | Sekyourbox | lol@rfc 5922 |
04:14.19 | mrbrklyn | I've been using vonage for 15 year+, but my boss asked if I could get rid of our telephone provider and run our phones off our own PBX |
04:14.41 | mrbrklyn | so know I am relearining everything |
04:15.16 | Sekyourbox | I'm doing something similar |
04:16.35 | Sekyourbox | I'm running astlinux on a vm and using a polycom obi 200 with google voice going into a routeros box |
04:17.14 | Sekyourbox | Working out sip accounts, going to try ldap realtime driver for individual workstations, I hope |
04:17.35 | mrbrklyn | So - for the house at least, either I buy and ATA or I buy a IP phone |
04:18.03 | Sekyourbox | testing linphone |
04:18.13 | drmessano | if you need just 1 extension or 1 ATA, don't even bother with Asterisk |
04:18.31 | drmessano | Go with something like VoIP.MS. They have a very basic "PBX" like callflow |
04:18.43 | Sekyourbox | tell your boss to just negotiate to a lower price, or get an obi, and call it a day |
04:18.48 | drmessano | You can create IVR's, host voicemail. I would do that all day long for 1 person |
04:19.04 | mrbrklyn | Well, I need to test it for the office. The office has 18 phones and extensions with voicemail and greetings |
04:19.27 | drmessano | FreePBX may be a good starting point |
04:19.28 | mrbrklyn | 2 fax machines |
04:19.35 | Sekyourbox | don't touch if its not broke, unless you are prepared to start going down the rabbit hole |
04:20.11 | mrbrklyn | I live in the rabbit whole since I downloaded Slackware in 1995 on a 2400 baud modem |
04:20.15 | drmessano | If you're in it just to help the boss, load FreePBX on a VPS and roll with it |
04:20.40 | Sekyourbox | In 1995 Id just hum into the modem to hack it |
04:20.41 | mrbrklyn | I have lived in the rabbit hole since I downloaded Slackware in 1995 on a 2400 baud modem... better english |
04:21.17 | mrbrklyn | I want to ditch his phone company, I hate them |
04:21.27 | Sekyourbox | I'm in the same boat |
04:21.31 | mrbrklyn | they are arogant pricks and ripping him off |
04:21.33 | Sekyourbox | Good luck, its no cake walk |
04:22.49 | Sekyourbox | I came from Skype for Business. That's $$$ |
04:23.11 | mrbrklyn | Do I need a VPS if I have 6 Linux systems on the gateway already? |
04:23.30 | drmessano | Just trying to save your life |
04:23.35 | drmessano | Unless you don't have one |
04:24.07 | mrbrklyn | ROFL |
04:24.15 | mrbrklyn | I have 6 of these things |
04:24.18 | mrbrklyn | https://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fitlet/ |
04:24.45 | mrbrklyn | I was hoping to convert one to the PBX role |
04:25.07 | drmessano | Right... So it's another piece of hardware to backup and admin. whatever floats your boat |
04:25.34 | mrbrklyn | and If I undertsnad correctly, I don't really need any additional hardare since everything is now on IP Phones in the office, expect maybe the fax machines |
04:25.57 | drmessano | That's correct |
04:26.21 | drmessano | Just not sure I would put my company's PBX on a china-NUC |
04:26.26 | drmessano | But that's up to you |
04:29.50 | Samot | mrbrklyn: How big is your office? |
04:30.07 | mrbrklyn | MD's office - 16 phones, 2 faxes |
04:30.18 | Samot | Medical? |
04:30.19 | drmessano | So that's basically a $5 a month VPS |
04:30.38 | Samot | Just be aware of the new laws if you're going to be a PBX admin. |
04:30.41 | drmessano | 18 extensions, 4 concurrent calls.. a $5 VPS would do it |
04:30.47 | Samot | A medical office falls under it. |
04:31.39 | mrbrklyn | FWIW, I would never virtualize it. I want it 100% in house and under my control |
04:32.01 | mrbrklyn | its not a cost issue, it is a security and ownership issue |
04:32.20 | Samot | Well your medical, you can't just slap it up on a VM. |
04:32.27 | drmessano | Whats your backup plan when the china-NUC blows a gasket? |
04:32.31 | Samot | In the cloud that is. |
04:32.35 | drmessano | How fast to restore it? |
04:32.39 | Samot | However, you can virtualize in the office. |
04:32.54 | mrbrklyn | 4 minutes to restore from QEMU |
04:33.07 | mrbrklyn | I test that every sunday |
04:33.15 | Samot | Well wait, you're using Vonage so you must not be recording calls or anything. |
04:33.37 | mrbrklyn | although, I haven't had an issue with a primary service since 9-11-2001 |
04:33.58 | mrbrklyn | I am using vonage in the house |
04:34.12 | Samot | What does the office have? |
04:34.26 | mrbrklyn | at the time, I moved from the Bell System and was happy to say good by, but I can do better now |
04:34.38 | mrbrklyn | The office is using executel |
04:34.49 | Samot | A hosted solution? |
04:34.55 | mrbrklyn | yes |
04:35.27 | mrbrklyn | at $60 a phone and peicemeal billing and holes all over my DMZ |
04:36.27 | mrbrklyn | and the guys are really dumb as rocks |
04:36.57 | Samot | Well they're an answering/CSR service not a phone company |
04:37.27 | mrbrklyn | they think they are an IT provider but they only speak Microsoft |
04:37.35 | mrbrklyn | I say email, they say exchange |
04:37.41 | Samot | OK. |
04:37.49 | Samot | So you're going to put a PBX in. |
04:38.05 | Samot | Do you have the ability to retain features or add features that you would need? |
04:38.30 | mrbrklyn | Do I need the hardware? |
04:38.52 | mrbrklyn | If it is just software, I can do it |
04:38.55 | Samot | Hardware is its own thing. |
04:39.15 | Samot | So you know how to program Asterisk to give you the same features you have no? |
04:39.18 | Samot | now* |
04:39.36 | mrbrklyn | not yet |
04:40.05 | Samot | Well if you wait until after Feb 16th, you have to follow certain new rules. |
04:40.18 | Samot | If you do it now, you have until next Jan. to comply. |
04:40.27 | mrbrklyn | I'm in the healthcare business |
04:40.32 | Samot | OK. |
04:40.40 | mrbrklyn | there are new rules every day |
04:40.54 | Samot | Yes but are you aware of them? |
04:41.02 | mrbrklyn | You have no idea the legal constraints I work under every day |
04:41.09 | Samot | Because you're in that business. |
04:41.18 | Samot | I do services for medical. |
04:41.20 | Samot | I know. |
04:41.36 | mrbrklyn | Well, maybe you don't |
04:41.47 | Samot | So outside of you being in the medical business the new laws are about you being the PBX admin. |
04:41.48 | mrbrklyn | I'm an MD and Pharmacist and have |
04:41.56 | Samot | Which are not related to your MD. |
04:42.04 | mrbrklyn | butted heads 3 times with federal agencies |
04:42.35 | Samot | Alright. I'm just trying to save you some headaches. |
04:42.43 | mrbrklyn | and they hold my licnese ina vice-grip at the drop of a hat and destroy your career |
04:42.56 | Samot | Sometimes being your own PBX admin and running your own PBX is more trouble than having it hosted somewhere.. |
04:43.02 | Samot | Or hiring someon to do it. |
04:43.07 | mrbrklyn | More rules is more the reason to keep in IN House |
04:43.22 | mrbrklyn | out of prying eyes |
04:46.39 | mrbrklyn | he New Laws, every time, are designed to rip me off and send my money to some monopoly or government agency. It is the most corrupt system from the top to the bottom, designed to steal from the public every penny they can get |
04:46.59 | mrbrklyn | So I doubt there will be anything in these new laws to suprise me |
04:47.28 | Samot | Well they are design to deal with emergency services better and save lives. As an MD, you can appreciate that. |
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04:47.48 | Sekyourbox | the only way to auth with SIP is to have an MD5 generated? |
04:47.55 | mrbrklyn | Everytime I breath and make a decision in my professional life I am effectely break a law. It is a trap |
04:48.25 | mrbrklyn | No Samot, they are designed to steal money |
04:48.31 | Sekyourbox | I was think I'd just have a custom token on the windows side that I can use to modify an attribute on the user object in LDAP |
04:48.41 | Samot | OK man, I was just giving you a heads up before you brought things in house and took on responsibilities you weren't aware of. |
04:48.48 | Samot | But this flexing is tiresome. |
04:48.59 | mrbrklyn | :( |
04:49.02 | mrbrklyn | Sorry |
04:50.03 | mrbrklyn | MD5s are easier enough to generation with openssl |
04:50.17 | Sekyourbox | breaks compliance |
04:50.46 | Sekyourbox | I guess I can do it all with a service account and SSH though I guess |
04:51.21 | Sekyourbox | just make a bogus password generator after the user has auth, and then --config the sip client on boot with group policy |
04:51.54 | Sekyourbox | oh, but I cant be restarting the asterisk every time a user boots |
04:53.10 | Samot | So the client is authing to Asterisk? |
04:53.12 | Sekyourbox | yea, I guess I'll be forced to use ldap |
04:53.50 | Sekyourbox | unless there is some other way to have your accounts without a static password |
04:54.18 | Samot | No, you would have to keep updating the account details. |
04:54.55 | Samot | You would have to update the server and the client. |
04:54.55 | Sekyourbox | ok, so I'll make a custom attrib object on the CN, no biggie |
04:55.19 | Samot | How often are you expecting to change passwords? |
04:55.25 | Sekyourbox | now, to get it right... |
04:55.32 | Sekyourbox | I'm doing this in an active directory domain |
04:55.37 | Sekyourbox | I want it all automated |
04:55.49 | Samot | How often are you expecting to change passwords? |
04:56.14 | Sekyourbox | Well, each boot at this point |
04:56.21 | Samot | Why? |
04:56.27 | Sekyourbox | each AD auth session |
04:56.36 | Sekyourbox | because I'm using AD to auth the user account |
04:57.01 | Sekyourbox | once that is successful, I'll have a service account check and update a cn attribute in the ldap db, and foce the client to get the update password |
04:57.10 | Sekyourbox | seems like the easiest way to reach my goal |
04:57.25 | Sekyourbox | password is just phony to get the client to work |
04:57.46 | Samot | So it will auth against AD for calls? |
04:57.53 | Sekyourbox | not directly |
04:57.55 | Samot | Or any subscription services? |
04:58.03 | Samot | So how will calls auth properly? |
04:58.17 | Sekyourbox | reltime ldap driver I hope! |
04:58.43 | Sekyourbox | gruop policy will be the real auth. the MD5 stuff will be just to make sip happy |
04:59.10 | Samot | What are you doing with this? |
04:59.13 | Sekyourbox | workaround king, high five |
04:59.32 | Samot | SIP Client boots up, new password, connects, new password? |
04:59.51 | Sekyourbox | yea, I'll have to add a slight delay I'm sure |
04:59.56 | Sekyourbox | before the softphone boots |
05:00.00 | Samot | What about the subsequent REGISTERs? |
05:00.05 | Sekyourbox | I'll make it part of the boot order for the softphone |
05:00.17 | Samot | Keeping using the same password? |
05:00.18 | Sekyourbox | good point |
05:00.22 | Samot | Or calls |
05:00.28 | Samot | Or subscriptions |
05:00.34 | Samot | MWI, BLF or anything like that |
05:00.52 | Samot | There is a reason there aren't "dynamic sip password" schemes. |
05:01.13 | Samot | You auth constantly for requests. |
05:01.48 | Sekyourbox | so I'd have to check for other kerb sessions before changing the attribute |
05:02.15 | Sekyourbox | and then I'd just update the local config to sync |
05:02.16 | Samot | I'll be honest, I can't wrap my head around changing passwords constantly like that. |
05:02.28 | Sekyourbox | so group policy would have the correct config always. |
05:02.28 | Samot | Trying to realtime sync both the server and the clients. |
05:02.31 | Samot | Hoping for the best. |
05:02.33 | mrbrklyn | <drmessano> a china-NUC? |
05:02.35 | Sekyourbox | and any change policy will restart the soft client |
05:02.37 | Sekyourbox | easy enough |
05:02.58 | Sekyourbox | although normally there is a delay, I could make a custom policy |
05:03.05 | Sekyourbox | or just script it for what I want |
05:03.13 | Samot | What are you trying to do overall? |
05:03.15 | Sekyourbox | only a couple of cpu cycles every few seconds |
05:03.17 | Samot | With the SIP clients? |
05:03.30 | Samot | Act as a softphone client vs using Bria or Zoiper? |
05:03.32 | Sekyourbox | user logs on, softphone pops up |
05:03.44 | Sekyourbox | without having to type in another password |
05:04.06 | mrbrklyn | Ah - well, FWIW, they are israeli NUCs and built by intel |
05:04.09 | Samot | What is the purpose of the SIP client? |
05:04.52 | Sekyourbox | building a CMS type system so the customer will show up when they call along with profile etc |
05:05.09 | Sekyourbox | some advanced routing and such eventually |
05:05.11 | Samot | OK so this is for a call center? |
05:05.20 | Samot | Or sales agents, etc? |
05:05.26 | Sekyourbox | yea, whatever |
05:05.34 | Sekyourbox | that type of thing, but in an AD domain |
05:05.55 | Sekyourbox | generally we would be using Skype |
05:06.00 | Sekyourbox | but I'm cheap |
05:06.16 | Samot | OK, so I'm not a 100% on what your doing. But you could impact calls if things aren't time right. |
05:06.29 | Samot | I really don't see the need to have dynamic password for the sip clients. |
05:07.15 | Sekyourbox | Its because I don't want double auth, and I don't want MD5 passwords that have access to other systems |
05:07.33 | Samot | You're building the client. |
05:07.51 | Samot | You have to auth for the SIP stuff more than you have to for AD logins. |
05:07.54 | Sekyourbox | I'm using linphone at the moment for testing. not as important |
05:08.11 | Samot | If I login to this app, I log into AD once. |
05:08.20 | Samot | My SIP account is sending REGISTERs constantly |
05:08.28 | Samot | When I make calls, I'm authing\ |
05:08.37 | Samot | If I want MWI, I'm authing most likely |
05:08.58 | Sekyourbox | MWI? |
05:09.07 | Samot | Message Waiting Indicator. |
05:09.21 | Samot | It's how you know you have VM. |
05:10.07 | Samot | If you are going to want to BLF statuses of other agents, etc. you will be authing for that. |
05:13.21 | Samot | Sekyourbox: I'm not saying that what you are trying to do won't work. I'm just saying it is something I've never seen personally, it could cause issues. That's all really. |
05:14.25 | Samot | If the dynamic doesn't work and reworking it to use static SIP passwords, whateves isn't that much of work. Give it a go. |
05:15.06 | Samot | But I would say, if it would require a massive overhaul from one to the other then I'd really, really weigh my options and make sure fancy and cool isn't putting to much of a glare on this. |
05:16.03 | Samot | Honestly, I'd be interested to see if you did get it working. |
05:20.27 | mrbrklyn | how does one actually become a ITSP |
05:20.54 | Samot | A lot of work. |
05:21.04 | Samot | Contrary to the belief of some. |
05:21.12 | mrbrklyn | i'm sure |
05:21.40 | mrbrklyn | I think I still have assigned to me 250+ phone numbers |
05:21.50 | mrbrklyn | origianlly they were to be used for phone cards |
05:23.32 | Samot | Well there are two ways to go about this. The right way and the ITSP in a Box (TM) way. |
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05:28.53 | mrbrklyn | where is ITSP in a box? |
05:29.47 | Samot | That's the thing where you have Asterisk (or FreePBX), an out of date Asterisk billing software and a Flowroute account. Boom you're an ITSP. |
05:31.49 | mrbrklyn | flowroute |
05:33.17 | Samot | My point is, people think that because they have those things they can sell a service that is considered a public utility without any real knowledge or skillset for it. |
05:34.49 | mrbrklyn | I'm not trying to do that |
05:35.15 | mrbrklyn | although if I could make money at it, I would |
05:35.30 | Sekyourbox | Samot: I'll probably have to do a write up for myself and do a few more times in my test env. I might release if I have anything workable |
05:36.00 | Sekyourbox | or if my write up would make sense in public |
05:36.02 | Sekyourbox | :D |
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07:56.17 | Sekyourbox | Would I do sipusers => ldap,"dn",pjsip |
07:56.34 | Sekyourbox | or does it have to be sip |
07:58.27 | Sekyourbox | <PROTECTED> |
08:09.50 | MICROburst | can I offer more than one transport for an account? For example udp,tcp for IPv4 and IPv6? |
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08:44.59 | Sekyourbox | no such command realtime... |
08:45.03 | Sekyourbox | bed time! |
09:04.33 | MICROburst | huh? |
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