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| 01:31.04 | *** topic/#asterisk is AstriCon 2019 in Atlanta! http://www.astricon.net/ -- #asterisk The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- LTS: 13.29.2 (2019/11/21) 16.6.2 (2019/11/21) Standard: 17.0.1 (2019/11/21); DAHDI: 3.0.0 (2018/11/15); libpri 1.6.0 (2017/01/27) -=- Wiki: wiki.asterisk.org -=- Code of Conduct: bit.ly/1hH6P22 |
| 01:31.21 | Samot | But that's all the DID is for. To have something to use SMS. |
| 01:31.50 | Slade | at 8 cents a DID i have to assume they're pretty terrible |
| 01:32.05 | Samot | They rely on bulk. |
| 01:32.34 | Slade | yea. so if i pick up one of theirs its probably been used for multiple spam campaigns |
| 01:33.19 | Samot | Perhaps. |
| 01:33.55 | Samot | Or for applications that require DIDs that are just for use within the application. |
| 01:34.09 | Samot | Where the end user has no idea what the DID really is, etc. |
| 01:35.29 | Slade | interesting |
| 01:37.10 | Samot | Large companies, like multi-million/billion dollar ones, will invest in their own internal communications or applications platforms. |
| 01:37.33 | Samot | Build an app that goes on tablets, PCs, phones for video/chat/calls internally. |
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| 09:50.25 | RudyValencia | Hi, how do I send a different caller ID when making calls to the PSTN than when internally making calls? |
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| 09:52.38 | RudyValencia | (when making a call out using my VoIP provider) |
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| 16:26.49 | igcewieling | I am starting to think 185.0.0.0/8 should be banned from the internet. |
| 16:29.45 | Samot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.49 | Samot | Gee I don't know why. |
| 16:30.20 | Samot | 98696 35M DROP all -- * * 51.0.0.0/8 0.0.0.0/0 /* RIPE NCC IPs */ |
| 16:30.29 | Samot | That one is almost just as busy |
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| 16:57.16 | joepublic | assuming one wanted to experiment with setting up an asterisk PBX with analog phones, and was also a cheap tightwad sort of person, what kind of cards would that cheap stingy person buy to support the analog lines? |
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| 16:59.25 | Samot | What analog lines? |
| 16:59.40 | Samot | From the phone company or to analog devices? |
| 16:59.49 | igcewieling | If you want cheap, you don't want analog. Analog is expensive. |
| 17:00.03 | Samot | ^^^^ |
| 17:00.49 | igcewieling | 1 x $10 phone + 1 x $350 anlog card |
| 17:01.01 | joepublic | to analog devices. Which is why the subject of being a tightwad comes up. |
| 17:01.37 | igcewieling | Buy yourself an analog card and start experimenting. Make sure to get the right modules though. |
| 17:02.17 | joepublic | the modules are the gizmos that attach to the card(s)? |
| 17:04.12 | igcewieling | yes. fxo ports connect to LINES. fax ports connect to PHONES. |
| 17:04.22 | igcewieling | https://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/sangoma/sangoma-telephony-cards/analog-cards/a200 |
| 17:05.15 | Samot | OK, if you're just looking to connect your analog phones to the PBX then you look at ATAs. |
| 17:05.25 | Samot | Those are not as expensive. |
| 17:05.39 | Samot | SPA112's, etc. |
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| 17:06.25 | igcewieling | If you want cheap, you will go with all SIP. |
| 17:07.08 | joepublic | I want "cheap for analog." I mean, yeah, I want cheap, but one of the design constraints is use of analog phones. |
| 17:07.35 | joepublic | so it looks like one SPA112 yields two analog lines, according to my friend duckduckgo. |
| 17:08.30 | Samot | yes |
| 17:09.10 | joepublic | looks I could set up a test system and learn all I want with just one or two of those. |
| 17:09.22 | [TK]D-Fender | joepublic, lets you plug in 2 phones. Not telco lines. |
| 17:09.33 | [TK]D-Fender | joepublic, not to be mistaken |
| 17:10.03 | Samot | "but one of the design constraints is use of analog phones" |
| 17:10.30 | joepublic | I think get it. fxo for a DCO line, fax for an analog telephone device. SPA112 allows connection to two analog telephone devices. Right? |
| 17:12.04 | joepublic | analog phones -> Specifically, the final project will include a mix of existing analog cordless phones, and vintage antique western electric phones. |
| 17:12.48 | [TK]D-Fender | SPA112 = phone devices. |
| 17:13.18 | joepublic | the system is to be the internal intercom for a house being built in about 6 months, so I have that time to prepare to learn asterisk instead of buying a made in china brand pbx from ebay or amazon. |
| 17:14.08 | [TK]D-Fender | You may want want to clarify that ned a bit... |
| 17:14.10 | [TK]D-Fender | need* |
| 17:14.33 | joepublic | What do you mean? |
| 17:17.39 | joepublic | Let me state that my last experience with asterisk was beating my head against it about 20? years ago using winmodems and trying/failing to get echo cancellation working. |
| 17:18.01 | joepublic | so everyone here is going to know about 99.5% more about it than I do. |
| 17:18.54 | igcewieling | an intercom is not a phone or a phone line. |
| 17:19.24 | igcewieling | for example, if you want auto-answer, like an intercom would require, you'll never do that with analog. |
| 17:19.28 | joepublic | then please mentally substitute the phrase "private branch exchange" for "intercom." That's what it will actually be. |
| 17:19.42 | igcewieling | gads! |
| 17:19.52 | igcewieling | no. a PBX and an intercom are not the same. |
| 17:22.00 | joepublic | Okay. I have learned that distinction today, I suppose. the design calls for a phone in each room, with the phones able to call each other by dialing the appropriate extension. no connection to telephone network, no further features absolutely necessary. |
| 17:22.18 | joepublic | The design might evolve over time (most do I find) but not by much. |
| 17:22.33 | [TK]D-Fender | joepublic, Do you already have direct access to the demarc for all of the wiring you want to isolate? Or are you planning on putting an SPA right next to each phone? |
| 17:23.37 | joepublic | Everything comes back to a wiring closet with a patch panel, which is where it sounds like the SPA devices should reside, perhaps on a shelf in the rack |
| 17:24.46 | [TK]D-Fender | How many unique phones are you planning ocnnecting this way? |
| 17:25.02 | joepublic | the plan calls for eleven. |
| 17:26.04 | joepublic | at least five of them must be analog (the antique western electrics and the existing analog cordless phones I mentioned) |
| 17:28.38 | joepublic | the SPA112 devices look promising to support those. I hope that the other phones can be SIP phones? |
| 17:29.24 | [TK]D-Fender | You can use whatever you want |
| 17:29.33 | [TK]D-Fender | as long as it's plugged into the right kiind of thing |
| 17:31.15 | joepublic | each drop consists of a cat5e patched to a central switch, a 4-wire rj11 terminated in the wiring closet, and a type F coax connector, distributed amplified antenna. |
| 17:31.41 | joepublic | two of those things should support SIP phones and analog phones respectively. |
| 17:33.44 | joepublic | my semi-clueful self has the task to put it together, no problem, learning experience. |
| 17:39.03 | igcewieling | 2 cat 5 drops would be better |
| 17:40.21 | joepublic | why, at the expense of losing the rj11 and potential analog telephone device plug compatibility? I am not questioning you, merely honestly asking. |
| 17:40.47 | joepublic | or do you mean two rj45's + an rj11? |
| 17:42.02 | file | you can use cat5 for analog |
| 17:43.37 | igcewieling | you can never have too many cables going to wall port. It is a LOT cheaper to install them when installing other cabling than add it later. |
| 17:44.12 | igcewieling | cable is cheap, installing it is expensive. |
| 17:44.54 | igcewieling | Oh, look, now I need TWO network ports! I guess I'll have to install a mini-switch because I didn't think I'd ever need a second cable. |
| 17:45.07 | joepublic | I am having those thoughts slowly occur to me. since I turned 50 I notice thoughts don't percolate as fast. |
| 17:45.32 | joepublic | you are of course 100% correct and I am revising the design documents to specify at least two Cat5e at each drop. |
| 17:45.39 | file | and then if you get someone to cheaply install you'll suddenly find the runs have problems and "oh look, this system keeps going from 1Gbps to 100Mbps to 1Gbps over and over" groan |
| 17:46.33 | joepublic | I have used cheap installers and found cat5 spliced with wire nuts in a ceiling before. I know you hear that as a joke, but I saw it at D.P. Cooper Elementary School in South Carolina. |
| 17:47.51 | igcewieling | D P Cooper or D B Cooper? It might have been sort of cool to go to a school named DB Cooper. |
| 17:48.30 | joepublic | D.P.; there were sixth grade football players there the size of shipping containers, or nearly so. Friendly, HUGE kids. |
| 18:00.54 | joepublic | using these SPA112 to provide analog line means no need to run analog phone lines to outbuildings |
| 18:01.48 | joepublic | just plug one into the outbuildings ethernet switch, and get one analog phone jack for the shop and one for the RV hookup. |
| 18:27.42 | igcewieling | now you are talking about running copper between two buildings which might have different ground potential. |
| 18:28.08 | igcewieling | I used to destroy about 1 ethernet port per month when I had a setup like that. |
| 18:28.58 | joepublic | I am now talking about not running copper between them. I was going to run copper phone lines but use fiber optics to isolate the ethernet. |
| 18:29.52 | electronic_eel | run fiber between the buildings and put the SPA112 in the building where the phone is |
| 18:29.53 | igcewieling | if you stick with analog, I'd get surge arrested for the out of building copper lines. Fiber is the best option for isolating ethernet. |
| 18:30.15 | igcewieling | surge arresters |
| 18:30.37 | joepublic | I do now see the solution as "run fiber between the buildings and put the SPA112 in the building where the phone is" |
| 18:31.16 | joepublic | And I am updating the network plans accordingly (along with putting at least two Cat5e ports everywhere there is a drop) |
| 18:31.18 | igcewieling | why not just go with a SIP phone in the service areas? |
| 18:32.13 | igcewieling | The kitchen and gardening shed don't need the quaint nostalgia of analog phones. |
| 18:32.49 | joepublic | There is a single RV hookup that needs an old analog jack because I am not going to give/lend/rent someone a sip phone and provide support on it when I can provide an analog jack (most campground RV hookups provide this, so it's familiar) |
| 18:33.23 | joepublic | The shop can have an inexpensive SIP phone. |
| 18:34.01 | joepublic | a quaint old analog phone in the kitchen is, however, in fact an absolute design requirement |
| 18:34.22 | joepublic | it must be a genuine antique western electric or convincing facsimile. |
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| 19:26.33 | Samot | igcewieling: Speaking of all this analog/cards, etc stuff. Did you see the fun little project I got sucked into last week? |
| 19:29.22 | igcewieling | Samot: no. |
| 19:31.12 | Samot | So, two PRIs that connect to a RedPhone box that then does T1 signaling to an Adtran 750 that does 16 FXO and 16 FXS ports. And then somehow, the guy still isn't 100%, an ancient Trixbox in connected to the RedPhone box. |
| 19:34.11 | igcewieling | That should be illegal under the Geneva Convention. 8-| |
| 19:34.18 | Samot | Plus the Trixbox has quite a lot of zaptel configs setup in it with both FXO and FXS |
| 19:34.43 | Samot | But I'm being told there are no FXS/FXO cards in the box. |
| 19:35.25 | Samot | I was originally told it was just to replace the Trixbox and connect the PRIs to the new FreePBX with a gateway. |
| 19:35.39 | Samot | I was like "yeah, cool I can help with that" |
| 19:35.49 | Samot | And then bam, all that crap. |
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