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| 01:38.18 | avb | :) asterisk code is so fun to work that even it devs could be surprised :) |
| 01:39.42 | Samot | OK. |
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| 15:51.17 | malaphus | Anyone know how I would troubleshoot a yellow exclamation icon in the top right corner of a Digium D80? Tapping the icon shows the list of statuses (available, away, DND, prefer chat, etc) and picking a status is properly reflected in "digium_phones show status <phone>", so not quite sure what the "warning" icon is for (calls can be received fine) |
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| 18:21.07 | yeehi | Free hardware for Asterisk? (Handset/Base station) which brands most support Freedom? Sangoma just bought the Asterisk hardware... |
| 18:24.16 | [TK]D-Fender | Define "freedom"? |
| 18:24.53 | yeehi | Free Software Foundation Freedom [TK]D-Fender |
| 18:25.56 | [TK]D-Fender | BSD? GPL? LGPL? |
| 18:29.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk (Digium's) handsets were never "free" |
| 18:30.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Sangoma buying Digium didn't change that. |
| 18:30.03 | yeehi | As long as the vendor supports Freedom, an FSF compliant licence is fine. |
| 18:30.56 | yeehi | I think the main thing is FreePBX |
| 18:31.35 | yeehi | so which is usually a good bet? I noticed Siemens Gigaset have "unlocked" phones... whatever that means... |
| 18:31.39 | [TK]D-Fender | DOn't like it? Feel free to use something else. Can't find something else, feel free to create your own or fork from something that became more "closed" |
| 18:32.02 | [TK]D-Fender | "whatever that means" sounds like it requires clarification |
| 18:32.04 | yeehi | I am looking for something which supports FreePBX |
| 18:32.38 | [TK]D-Fender | you're thinking in reverse |
| 18:32.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Freepbx isn't what phones talk to. |
| 18:33.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Remember where you are |
| 18:33.47 | yeehi | Which manufacturer would likely support Free software on their products? |
| 18:34.07 | yeehi | I don't even know what PBX is |
| 18:34.34 | [TK]D-Fender | You're insisting on the properties of a steering wheel without knowing what a CAR is... |
| 18:35.23 | yeehi | I want a wifi handset that can be used as a phone via the internet, and which would have Free software. Any suggestions for hardware needed? |
| 18:35.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Nobody makes those |
| 18:36.02 | [TK]D-Fender | there isn't a market for anybody to care to produce one. |
| 18:36.43 | yeehi | So what would be needed? |
| 18:36.52 | [TK]D-Fender | for what? |
| 18:37.36 | yeehi | Does anybody have any suggestions for a solution? |
| 18:37.36 | [TK]D-Fender | to make one? Somebody willing to do all of the software and hardware design, set up manufacturing & distribution obviously. |
| 18:37.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ^ |
| 18:38.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Solution go find someone willing to design, build, and distribute such a thing |
| 18:38.44 | yeehi | Does anybody other than [TK]D-Fender have any ideas? |
| 18:38.55 | [TK]D-Fender | And try to figure out if they are going to make money of the prouct of if they are giving away the fruits of their intellectual efforts and material costs |
| 18:39.12 | [TK]D-Fender | There isn't any of what you're looking for on the market |
| 18:39.20 | [TK]D-Fender | because there hasn't been a market for one |
| 18:39.37 | [TK]D-Fender | there obviously isn't enough money to warrant people doing so. |
| 18:40.19 | [TK]D-Fender | You should consider accepting the reality that what you're looking for doesn't exist. |
| 18:41.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Now if you want something "vaguely close" do such a dedicated device then go find some OSS Android phone and try to find a soft-phone app written for it. |
| 18:41.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Or port an existing one. |
| 18:41.42 | [TK]D-Fender | but that isn't a "dedicated device" |
| 18:47.08 | igcewieling | considers reading the backlog |
| 18:47.37 | igcewieling | smells like troll |
| 18:52.04 | Samot | Must be because it's the dumbest question I've heard in a while. |
| 18:52.14 | Samot | And I have regular conversations with [J]oules. |
| 18:52.44 | Samot | The question is essentially "What hardware supports free software?" |
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| 18:54.52 | [TK]D-Fender | I've heard it before a few times over the years |
| 18:55.35 | [TK]D-Fender | I never took it as "trolling" so much as "idological zealotry beyond all practical reason" |
| 18:55.46 | [TK]D-Fender | IT HAS TO BE PURE!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:56.13 | [TK]D-Fender | Or those who are paranoid about tracking, etc |
| 19:00.21 | Samot | 1:35:25 PM <yeehi> I want a wifi handset that can be used as a phone via the internet <-- What other purpose would there be for a wifi phone? |
| 19:01.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Is there one that only works on LANs? |
| 19:01.54 | [TK]D-Fender | #vennfailure |
| 19:02.15 | Samot | yeehi_: If you're looking for a "RasPI" version of wifi phones you're not going to find it. Outside of going to an OEM factory and having them make you one. |
| 19:05.58 | [TK]D-Fender | https://www.google.ca/search?q=OSS+android+SIP+softphone |
| 19:06.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Closest you're going to get without venture capital. |
| 19:10.18 | Samot | I still love that people think "free to use" software doesnt cost money in some form. |
| 19:17.39 | [TK]D-Fender | To be fair it sounded like he was asking more specifically that the software it runs be OSS. |
| 19:17.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Not sure if it also includes the hardware design being "free" as well |
| 19:27.51 | yeehi_ | Hi, Samot. Let me try to explain again. I have an internet. I want to phone people. I think VOIP can help me do it. I want to start phoning people using the internet connection, using a wirless hansdet. I want to keep FSF Freedoms. |
| 19:27.57 | yeehi_ | What hardware is needed? |
| 19:28.22 | [TK]D-Fender | again, are you talking about the phone DESIGN beign "free", or just the SOFTWARE on it? |
| 19:29.37 | Samot | As far as I know all wifi based SIP phones are closed source with the software on them. |
| 19:29.58 | Samot | You want something that can install a free softphone, you need Android. |
| 19:31.44 | Samot | yeehi_: As I stated, no one makes a blank slate, hardware only wifi phone. |
| 19:38.02 | yeehi_ | Samot - i have just been informed there are no Free hardware phones, i think SIP phone is what I might have in mind |
| 19:38.32 | Samot | There are no free SIP phones. |
| 19:38.35 | [TK]D-Fender | that description is also vauge if not simply wrong |
| 19:39.03 | Samot | There are _free_ software phone clients. |
| 19:39.17 | [TK]D-Fender | What is the difference between your FIRST request and a "SIP phone"? |
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| 21:46.25 | malaphus | Anyone know why the status icon on a D-series phone would just be a yellow exclamation? Calls work fine |
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