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13:10.03 | sibiria | CALLERID(num) holds the a-number on an incoming call, right |
13:10.04 | sibiria | ? |
13:10.29 | sibiria | for chan_sip |
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15:38.33 | LunaLovegood | At the moment I've got a few ATAs set up to dial into Asterisk (and go to WaitExten) as soon as the phone is off the hook in order to support complex digit maps easily in my dialplan, and it works alright. |
15:39.02 | LunaLovegood | Now, my parents found an old rotary phone (pulse dial). Is there a way to decode pulse dialing in WaitExten? |
15:39.41 | file | it's not up to Asterisk, it's up to the ATA |
15:40.07 | LunaLovegood | Yeah, it doesn't support it, it's a SPA112. |
15:40.11 | sibiria | digium makes a device for doing that |
15:40.30 | sibiria | and doesn't zaptel handle pulse dial, too? |
15:43.23 | LunaLovegood | Do they make ATAs? I'm seeing the Switchvox E510, but it doesn't appear to have POTS ports. |
15:44.25 | sibiria | yeah they make one at least |
15:44.28 | sibiria | or used to, perhaps |
15:45.19 | Samot | Pulse dialing is dead. |
15:45.50 | sibiria | IAXY is the name of Digium's ATA |
15:46.11 | file | long time ago. |
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15:47.09 | Samot | The last couple of analog phones I bought for ATA testing, no pulse dial settings. |
15:48.12 | sibiria | right but those were surely also modern keypad phones, not rotary stuff :) |
15:48.32 | sibiria | last time i encountered an analog keypad phone with pulse was early 90s |
15:48.52 | LunaLovegood | There's the GA080 but with 8 lines it's a bit overkill for a home. The voice cards could probably do, but my parents only have a laptop. |
15:49.09 | sibiria | LunaLovegood: maybe pick up a used IAXY from ebay or so |
15:49.53 | file | there are other ATAs that support pulse dialing |
15:50.17 | sibiria | linksys also used to have one that was very tiny, single line |
15:52.12 | sibiria | quite novel value and experience these days with an old rotary phone, but you'll likely be saving both time and money by just buying them a normal $10 analog phone :) |
15:54.39 | LunaLovegood | They already have DECT phones, and a cell phone. It's just the house they recently bought had an old rotary phone and they wanted to get it working. |
15:55.10 | sibiria | ebay; good hunting :) |
15:57.12 | Samot | Who are they going to call with it? |
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15:57.25 | Samot | The actual amount of destinations they can call will be limited. |
15:57.40 | Samot | I.e. Nothing that expects some sort of DTMF interaction. |
15:57.43 | LunaLovegood | why? once you've dialed it's just voice |
15:57.50 | Samot | Since there's no DTMF with pulse. |
15:58.00 | LunaLovegood | oh sure, but they can just use the normal phone for that |
15:58.11 | Samot | OK. |
15:58.21 | LunaLovegood | it should work just fine for calling people |
15:58.36 | Samot | Sure. |
15:58.51 | Samot | As long as you find an ATA that supports this. |
15:59.01 | Samot | Which will probably be some off-brand ATA |
15:59.10 | Samot | or some 10 yo plus ATA |
16:00.27 | LunaLovegood | Probably easier to just record how the pulses sound from the other side and write a quick and dirty dialplan app to parse them. |
16:02.44 | Dovid | when using chan_sip is it possible to get the sip-callID on an outbound call? i know that when Asterisk gets a call I can get the sip callid in ${SIPCALLID} but that does not seem to work on outbound calls (even after the H extension |
16:06.05 | Samot | How will dialplan parse pulse sounds? |
16:06.07 | Samot | And for what? |
16:07.09 | Samot | You understand why you have to rotate the dial all the way right? |
16:07.21 | Samot | Why a half rotation doesn't work? |
16:08.10 | sibiria | LunaLovegood: zaptel does this for you |
16:09.00 | Samot | For the record, parents are the worse support users. |
16:09.17 | Samot | So really ask yourself, while this will be cool to get an old rotary phone working.... |
16:09.33 | Samot | Do you really want the same call over and over again which results in "Use the other phone" |
16:10.01 | LunaLovegood | Oh nevermind, I found somewhere that sells IAXYs. |
16:10.46 | LunaLovegood | err, is the IAXY's version of IAX still compatible with Asterisk 14/15 ? |
16:15.31 | Samot | Does IAXY support IAX2? |
16:15.35 | Samot | If it does, then yes. |
16:15.43 | Samot | Since IAX2 hasn't really changed in years. |
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16:33.09 | r1ppa | Trying to look at Polycom UC admin guide for my soundpoint ip 301 phones, still trying to disable a Line/Speed dial button, I thought "soft keys" included these buttons. So to disable or change Line keys, is it EFK? |
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16:36.00 | [TK]D-Fender | r1ppa, clarify exactly what you're looking to do. |
16:37.40 | Samot | Clarify "disable" |
16:38.48 | r1ppa | ok, I have 2 line keys, 1 has extension number and a symbol (WBN to make this go to voicemail), and 2 that connects to the Directory, which puts the first user at that button and folks click it and call this user all the time, they want it gone |
16:39.06 | r1ppa | still want to use directory of course, but that can stay with the up/down arrows |
16:39.28 | [TK]D-Fender | remove the speed-dial index from all the directory entries |
16:39.30 | r1ppa | essentially I want to understand how to change line/speed dial keys, thanks |
16:39.41 | Samot | None of that clarifies "disable" |
16:39.48 | [TK]D-Fender | and don't jsut say "change". That is uselessly vague |
16:39.49 | r1ppa | I am trying |
16:39.56 | r1ppa | control? |
16:40.02 | [TK]D-Fender | also vague |
16:40.05 | Samot | The line keys on the phone do specific things. |
16:40.05 | r1ppa | wow |
16:40.10 | [TK]D-Fender | you want it "fucking GONE" <- |
16:40.17 | [TK]D-Fender | :) |
16:40.22 | r1ppa | easy |
16:40.24 | Samot | That's what I'm asking. |
16:40.34 | [TK]D-Fender | <[TK]D-Fender> remove the speed-dial index from all the directory entries <- |
16:40.34 | r1ppa | sure gone is fine |
16:40.37 | Samot | Do you want the line keys to not display anything? |
16:41.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Apparently he wants the second to be completely unassigned and blank. |
16:41.12 | r1ppa | well line 2, yes, but will the up/down arrow still use Directory? |
16:41.25 | Samot | The Line keys can be Line, BLF, Speeddail, Buddy |
16:41.32 | [TK]D-Fender | r1ppa, Go check the SD index #'s on your entries |
16:41.52 | Samot | And they are used in that order. |
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16:42.12 | r1ppa | ok not entirely sure what that means, open the Directory 00000000000.xml file and remove some SD index? |
16:42.12 | Samot | So if you have a SIP account with 2 line appearances and 2 BLFs.. |
16:42.23 | Samot | The 2 line appearances appear first then the BLFs |
16:42.49 | [TK]D-Fender | Press buttons on your phoen |
16:42.52 | [TK]D-Fender | loko at them |
16:42.58 | [TK]D-Fender | can't type today |
16:43.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Go into the directory. Look at the entries |
16:43.40 | r1ppa | I want the down arrow to still pull up the directory, but line 2 with zero function |
16:44.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Go into the directory. Look at the entries |
16:44.17 | r1ppa | ok |
16:44.26 | Samot | Line 2 of what? |
16:44.32 | Samot | The actual Line Key? |
16:44.51 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
16:44.54 | Samot | OK |
16:45.01 | Samot | That requires Line Key Reassignment |
16:45.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Has 2 buttons. Wants then 2nd 'just blank" |
16:45.14 | Samot | And then you have to specify which key is what |
16:45.34 | [TK]D-Fender | if you allocate only1 line key and have no SD index on any directory entry it should stay blank |
16:45.34 | Samot | When Line Key Reassignment is enabled, there is a 5th Line Key type. Unassigned |
16:45.44 | Samot | It takes up the link key space but is blank. |
16:45.45 | r1ppa | I mean you can imagine idiot users clicking Line 2, but it calls speed dial index 1, when that is pointless, useless line key |
16:45.58 | Samot | Line Key Reassignment |
16:46.00 | Samot | ^^^^ |
16:46.04 | Samot | That's what you need. |
16:46.05 | r1ppa | I hear you |
16:46.10 | Samot | What version of UC? |
16:46.27 | r1ppa | thats my other issue |
16:46.49 | Samot | ? |
16:47.18 | r1ppa | not sure when UC takes place, where is it, on newer phones only, most of my models are 301/430/450 soundpoint ip |
16:47.42 | r1ppa | I cant get my head around what is SIP/bootrom/UC (application?), but I am still reading up |
16:48.39 | Samot | UC is the firmware |
16:48.47 | Samot | What version of the firmware are you running? |
16:48.51 | Samot | 5.x.x? |
16:48.55 | Samot | 4.x.x? |
16:48.58 | Samot | 3.x.x? |
16:49.18 | r1ppa | chill with the smartass remarks, cant you? |
16:49.29 | r1ppa | I know you are good at this, this is what you do |
16:49.46 | Samot | I'm sorry? |
16:49.52 | Samot | I asked what the UC version was |
16:49.59 | Samot | Then clarified what it was. |
16:50.10 | Samot | These are not smartass remarks. |
16:50.15 | Samot | These a valid questions. |
16:50.21 | r1ppa | is it 5x? 4x?3x?2x? what is it 1x? |
16:50.23 | r1ppa | just stop |
16:50.27 | Samot | OK. |
16:50.28 | r1ppa | cmon lol |
16:50.34 | Samot | Have fun with it. |
16:50.40 | r1ppa | appreciate the help, seriously |
16:50.51 | Samot | Because I'm not even sure the Line Key Reassignment is available. |
16:51.03 | Samot | Since this is an IP301 and those have been EOL for almost 5 years |
16:51.09 | [TK]D-Fender | How hard is it to confirm what firmware they're running? This changes your options. |
16:51.09 | Samot | And run on 3.x.x software. |
16:51.22 | r1ppa | BootROM 4.1.4, I think this is the latest I can use |
16:51.30 | [TK]D-Fender | tSIP version |
16:51.33 | [TK]D-Fender | not BootROM |
16:51.38 | r1ppa | I was getting it, oops sorry |
16:51.51 | r1ppa | 3.1.8 |
16:51.55 | r1ppa | latest for 301 |
16:52.02 | [TK]D-Fender | And your other phones? |
16:52.22 | r1ppa | well I was hoping if I understand the 301, that the rest would kind of follow? |
16:52.30 | [TK]D-Fender | maybe the means changes |
16:52.38 | r1ppa | I am focusing on the 301's right now, ok makes sense |
16:52.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Then have you done what I suggested? |
16:53.24 | r1ppa | you said to open directories and glance, phone booted up, glancing |
16:53.34 | r1ppa | up arrow is speeddial |
16:53.40 | Samot | The Ip301 is a bad choice for this |
16:53.46 | r1ppa | really? |
16:53.51 | Samot | As the newer phones use 5..x.x |
16:53.56 | [TK]D-Fender | not "and glance" |
16:54.08 | Samot | So what is available on the 3.x.x isn't the same as in 5.x.x |
16:54.13 | [TK]D-Fender | TWe seemt o missing what I specifically said to look for. |
16:54.25 | [TK]D-Fender | We seem to be missing what I specifically said to look for. |
16:54.59 | r1ppa | remove speeddial index from entries |
16:54.59 | Samot | It can't be any higher that 3.1.8 |
16:55.02 | Samot | I looked. |
16:55.21 | r1ppa | yes I mentioned that |
16:55.21 | Samot | So this phone is on the 3.x.x UC release. |
16:55.25 | Samot | I'm talking to TK |
16:55.30 | r1ppa | my baad |
16:55.35 | Samot | Letting him know, you did answer. |
16:55.59 | Samot | And regardless if you didn't or not, it's the only firmware that is for that phone. |
16:56.09 | Samot | did* |
16:56.31 | Samot | You are limited on the performance and features on an IP301 |
16:56.33 | r1ppa | yeah, so its ok for the answer to be, no you cannot use the Line key and make it moot |
16:56.41 | Samot | That you would not be in current firmware releases. |
16:56.46 | Samot | I don't know |
16:56.57 | Samot | I would have to go back and look at the 3.x.x firmware docs. |
16:57.05 | Samot | I know it's been a thing since the 5.x.x |
16:57.19 | Samot | I use it a lot for my VVX phones. |
16:57.26 | Samot | And a couple IP450's. |
16:57.33 | r1ppa | yeah I started getting VVX300's |
16:57.43 | Samot | OK |
16:57.45 | r1ppa | actually using TK's vendor of choice, I think |
16:57.48 | Samot | Those are also dead phones. |
16:57.49 | r1ppa | Sensus? |
16:57.58 | r1ppa | VVX300 already dead? lmao |
16:58.06 | Samot | All SoundPoints are dead. |
16:58.17 | Samot | The VVX's were updated with new hardware. |
16:58.30 | Samot | It's now the VVX301 or VVX311 |
16:58.48 | r1ppa | VVX is not soundpoint though |
16:58.50 | Samot | Same with the 4XX's, 5XX's, 6XX's. |
16:58.57 | Samot | SoundPoints are discountinued. |
16:59.03 | Samot | Their support runs out next summer |
16:59.04 | r1ppa | ah I thought you said my VVX 300's were dead too |
16:59.07 | Samot | They are no longer sold. |
16:59.08 | r1ppa | yeah I know |
16:59.08 | Samot | Right |
16:59.15 | Samot | The old VVX lines are dead. |
16:59.18 | Samot | No longer made |
16:59.18 | r1ppa | they are soo good, still working! |
16:59.27 | Samot | Well to a point. |
16:59.40 | r1ppa | ok so for soundpoint ip 301, we are not sure if I can ...how do I say this? |
16:59.41 | Samot | New firmware may not work since it expects the hardware to support it |
16:59.53 | Samot | The IP301 is unsupported at this point. |
16:59.54 | r1ppa | I want line 1 to do nothing, how would you explain this? |
16:59.59 | Samot | I don't know. |
17:00.09 | Samot | You need to look at 3.1.8 documents. |
17:00.14 | r1ppa | I am/was |
17:00.17 | Samot | I gave you the feature that does it |
17:00.23 | Samot | Line Key Reassignment |
17:00.26 | r1ppa | Line key reassignment |
17:00.28 | r1ppa | roger |
17:00.35 | r1ppa | ty |
17:00.38 | Samot | If it is not available, then it's not supported in that firmware. |
17:00.48 | r1ppa | so same goes for my other models |
17:00.58 | Samot | I know it works in UC 5.x.x |
17:01.18 | r1ppa | find out from matrix the latest firmware, apply it via split if I can, read those specific docs for line key reassignment function/ability |
17:01.20 | Samot | If the models can support any version release on that branch, it's available. |
17:02.05 | r1ppa | ok so after 5 it is easier, but I know I saw something like reassignment in earlier docs, will check into that |
17:02.55 | r1ppa | thanks for straightening out some nonsense for me guys, not trying to be lazy researcher but when you sysadmin, you do ALL, tough to get really good at Asterisk because it does not fail often so I never have to look really |
17:04.11 | Samot | That makes no sense. |
17:04.27 | Samot | Just because it runs without issue doesn't limit your ability to get "good at Asterisk" |
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21:03.35 | r1ppa | Samot, sure it makes sense, you dont touch something and you are crazy busy with everything else, you dont learn more about that thing, how can you be so smart and well not smart at the same time. Have a great weekend! |
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21:52.01 | kitsune | Asterisk 13.18, pjsip - in pjsip_wizard.conf, why does inbound_auth/username have to match the wizardâs header? |
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