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05:41.59FarhaadNhi , randomly PDD is high in asterisk 14.6.0 , and couse my dial time delay
05:42.02FarhaadNwhat can i do?
05:59.00FarhaadNpleasee help
06:01.24drmessano1. Get a faster box
06:01.32drmessano2. Enable early media
06:01.37drmessano3. Talk to your provider
06:02.03drmessanoYou've provided few details
06:02.09drmessanoNo clue how you're set up
06:02.45SamotVaguely
06:03.51FarhaadNdrmessano: not depend on provider
06:03.58FarhaadNextention to extention
06:04.07drmessano1. Get a faster box
06:04.12drmessano2. Enable early media
06:04.18FarhaadNwhat is faster box?
06:04.19drmessanoNo clue how you're set up
06:04.23drmessanoYou've provided few details
06:04.45drmessanoEvery time you come in here
06:04.51drmessanoYou seem to know nothing about your setup
06:05.02drmessanoCan you have your ASTERISK ADMIN come to IRC and not you?
06:05.11drmessanoThe guy that knows what your box is doing
06:06.36FarhaadNi can explane you every thing u need
06:06.44FarhaadNjust i dont know
06:06.57FarhaadNhow can i start with issue
06:07.06FarhaadNand where i can find problem
06:07.15FarhaadNwith what debug
06:07.20FarhaadNwhat setup
06:07.34drmessano1. Get a faster box
06:07.37drmessano2. Enable early media
06:07.53drmessanoPDD is a result of a latency if it's random
06:08.14drmessanoIf it's extension to extension and random, your box is too slow
06:08.28FarhaadNwhat is box?
06:08.32FarhaadNserver?
06:08.37drmessanoCOMPUTER SERVER ASTERISK
06:08.46drmessanoJFC
06:09.11FarhaadNi check that, when promlem accourd, there is no high load of server
06:09.26drmessanoI dont believe you
06:09.36drmessanoProve it
06:09.43drmessanoShow it when the problem occurs
06:10.18FarhaadNok
06:11.07drmessanoYou have something to show, right?
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06:11.36phixhihi
06:12.00FarhaadNdrmessano:
06:12.02FarhaadNyes
06:12.07drmessanoShow it
06:12.07FarhaadNi have use voipmonitor
06:12.14drmessano.....
06:12.31phixhi gang
06:12.41FarhaadNshow screen shot of that time, and asterisk log
06:12.46drmessanovoipmonitor is a fucking packet sniffer
06:13.02SamotFarhaadN: Show the load of the server
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06:13.23drmessanoSHOW US THE LOAD
06:13.31FarhaadNdrmessano: what is better packet sniffer?
06:13.39drmessanoDude
06:13.40FarhaadNSamot: OK
06:13.41drmessanoSYSTEM LOAD
06:13.46drmessanoNOT PACKETS
06:13.55drmessanoYour server is TOO SLOW
06:13.57FarhaadNdrmessano: OK
06:14.00FarhaadNwait
06:14.10drmessanoNot waiting
06:14.28FarhaadNtop - 10:44:21 up 40 days, 22:24,  3 users,  load average: 0.77, 1.17, 1.28
06:14.36drmessanoHAH
06:14.37SamotUhm.
06:14.40drmessanoHAHHAHAHHAHAH
06:14.41SamotThats overloaded
06:14.45drmessanoGet another server
06:14.51drmessanoYour server is pegged the fuck out
06:15.07drmessanoOverloaded = PDD
06:15.08SamotHow many core is the CPU?
06:15.10FarhaadNwhy?
06:15.19FarhaadNSamot: 4
06:15.20drmessanoWhy?
06:15.33drmessanoLOOK AT TOP
06:15.37drmessanoThe very thing you're using
06:15.45drmessanoITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU
06:15.45Samot1.00 = 1 Core
06:15.50Samot100%
06:15.52drmessanoSEND US YOUR ADMIN
06:16.03SamotYou're server is basically overloading
06:16.20drmessanoHang on
06:16.28drmessanoFarhaadN: LOOK AT TOP PLEASE
06:16.51FarhaadNserver 4 core cpu
06:16.56drmessanoDude
06:16.58drmessanoSTOP
06:16.59drmessanoWAIT
06:17.06SamotLook at the top results.
06:17.07drmessanoJust like you say
06:17.10drmessanoFarhaadN: LOOK AT TOP PLEASE
06:17.11drmessanoNOW
06:17.14drmessanoITS RIGHT THERE
06:17.21drmessanoLERN2TOP
06:18.19FarhaadNwhit 4 core cpu , when top is 4 is overload
06:18.26drmessanoDUDE
06:18.27drmessanoSTOP
06:18.32drmessanoLOOK AT THE FUCKING PROCESSES
06:18.39drmessanoWHAT IS LOADING YOUR SERVER?
06:18.42drmessanoLOOOOOOK
06:18.52FarhaadN1.17
06:18.56drmessanoNO
06:19.03drmessanoGod fucking damnit
06:19.10drmessanoStop telling us its loaded
06:19.19drmessanoLOOK AT THE ACTUAL PROCESSES
06:19.36drmessanoTOP literally TELLS YOU what is RUNNING
06:19.42drmessanoand WHAT ITS DOING
06:19.49drmessanoRight IN FRONT OF YOU
06:20.46FarhaadNi have another server in another places , and top show me 4 in that server
06:20.52FarhaadNand i dont have this issue
06:20.58FarhaadNwith same configuration
06:20.58drmessanoI dont care
06:21.04drmessanoYour server is overloaded
06:21.07SamotLook at the processes running
06:21.12drmessanoand you are REFUSING to look at the actual commands
06:21.16drmessanoI keep asking you
06:21.17SamotSee what is taking up CPU resources
06:21.21drmessanoand youre fucking REFUSING
06:21.27drmessanoif you want help, stop being a dick
06:22.13drmessanoTOP literally shows you what processes are running and their RESOURCE USAGE
06:22.17drmessanoIt's RIGHT THERE
06:23.27drmessanoFarhaadN:
06:23.32drmessanoClose top
06:23.54drmessanoopen it back up
06:23.58drmessanoShift+P
06:24.02drmessanoSorts by CPU
06:24.07drmessanoLOOK AT THE TOP THING IN THE LIST
06:24.26drmessanoStop making this take HOURS
06:24.32FarhaadNmysqld
06:24.34FarhaadNasterisk
06:24.37FarhaadNvoipmonitor
06:24.40drmessanoTHERE YOU GO
06:24.46FarhaadNmysqld 157%
06:24.51drmessanoTHERE YOU GO
06:24.54SamotHoly crap
06:24.56drmessanoTADA
06:25.05FarhaadNmysqld now 0.7 %
06:25.35drmessano"random PDD issue" = boom
06:25.45drmessanoGo fix your shit
06:25.49wyounghi drmessano
06:25.53drmessanohi wyoung
06:26.21FarhaadNdrmessano: :-X
06:26.25drmessanoHave you ever watched it take 20 mins to explain 'top'?
06:26.35drmessanowyoung: ^
06:27.20wyoungwhat?
06:27.24drmessano02:09:12 <FarhaadN> i check that, when promlem accourd, there is no high load of server
06:27.24drmessano02:09:27 <drmessano> I dont believe you
06:27.29wyoungwhat;s the latest sir?
06:27.32drmessanoWhat do I win?
06:27.57drmessanoI feel like I am at the fair
06:28.06drmessanoI want the giant stuffed pokemon doll
06:28.26drmessano157% CPU usage is bad
06:28.49drmessanoNot because mysqld is using 157% at times
06:28.53wyoungNot if you have multiple cores
06:29.10drmessanoBut because it's likely causing Asterisk to go fucky because that's who is using it
06:29.39drmessanoFarhaadN: You have something totally fucked on that box if the others dont do it
06:29.57drmessanoEither that box is underpowered or something isn't right in your config.. or who knows
06:30.47wyoungdrmessano: so split your DB and asterisk to different VMs / PCs
06:31.03drmessanoThats up to him
06:31.17wyoungoh
06:31.18drmessanoHe wanted to know why his stuff was highly latent
06:31.22drmessanoNow he knows
06:31.45drmessano02:09:12 <FarhaadN> i check that, when promlem accourd, there is no high load of server
06:31.45drmessano02:09:27 <drmessano> I dont believe you
06:32.17drmessanoFarhaadN: Please respond
06:32.31drmessanoI dont want you pinging me 3 hours from now telling me your box isnt slow
06:32.36drmessanoor asking me what a box is again
06:32.48drmessanoYou did that last time you had an issue
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06:36.12wyoungdrmessano: I wonder what time zone (s)he is in.
06:36.24wyoungI will be here for another 6 hours
06:37.12drmessanoI dont care about the time, I care that he gets an answer, comes back 3 hours later, and tells me "Thats not it".. he did this for 2 weeks last time and he was wrong the whole time
06:37.28drmessanoVoIPDenial
06:38.26wyoungok, well that is his / her problem
06:38.49wyoungIf they can't be bothered to stick around for an answer then they don't deserve one.  Especially since this is a community service
06:39.01drmessanoTrue
06:39.08wyoungunless (s)he has an SLA with you :)
06:39.44wyoungwoah, 2AM where you are?
06:40.05drmessano2:40AM
06:40.07drmessanoYep
06:40.12wyoungGo to bed (wo)?m[ae]n!
06:40.41wyoungUnless you are a shift worker
06:41.04drmessanoMy days and nights are upside down most of the time.. I actually just woke from a nap
06:41.50wyoungoh
06:41.53FarhaadNsry for delay , i am in work and other work i was doing
06:42.00FarhaadNi am not a asterisk developer
06:42.02wyoungFarhaadN!!!! welcome back!!!
06:42.08wyoungYou have two ppl on your case now
06:42.20drmessanoFarhaadN: Then you need someone else to look at your box
06:42.26drmessanoGet a consultant
06:42.43FarhaadNi just want to help my team
06:42.48drmessanoThe fact that it took us 20 mins to get you to look at top takes me back to my original statement
06:42.58drmessanoI want to speak to the guy that admins the box
06:43.10drmessanoPut him on IRC
06:43.33drmessanoNothing wrong with being a junior admin, but this is a big boy problem
06:44.02FarhaadNi want solved problem myself
06:44.10drmessanoYou dont have the skills
06:44.16drmessanoWe've determined that before
06:44.38drmessanoYou can't even look at top without me giving you keyboard shortcuts to sort the columns
06:44.41drmessanoCome on man
06:44.48FarhaadNif i hurt or offend you
06:44.53FarhaadNand other guys
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06:44.55drmessanoYou didnt
06:45.04drmessanoYou just dont know what youre doing
06:45.07FarhaadNi sry
06:45.12drmessanoand you have a box thats spiking out
06:45.19drmessanoGet your admin to join IRC
06:45.25drmessanoYoure not the guy for it
06:45.40FarhaadNand Apology
06:45.46drmessano*sigh*
06:46.20drmessanoWe need to talk to someone there who knows what they are doing
06:46.33drmessanoNow please, get them to get on IRC
06:46.57FarhaadN(11:14:40 AM) drmessano: You can't even look at top without me giving you keyboard shortcuts to sort the columns
06:47.12drmessano20 mins
06:47.17FarhaadNno this't right
06:47.19drmessanoI had to tell you to Shift+P
06:47.28drmessanoYou keep giving us the LOAD
06:47.31drmessano20 mins
06:47.41FarhaadNi told you
06:47.43drmessanoDude, its clear you are NOT the system admin there
06:47.48drmessanoNow stop
06:47.53FarhaadNbettween talking you
06:48.01drmessanoOk, im done
06:48.13FarhaadNi work other things together
06:48.35FarhaadNand another problem is my language
06:48.56drmessanoScroll up
06:49.04drmessanoTold you to look at top
06:49.07FarhaadNi should every statment you talk to me, tlansale in google
06:49.09drmessanoAt the processes
06:49.14drmessanoYou responded with the load
06:49.44drmessanomysqld is your problem
06:49.57drmessanoGo fix whatever is causing mysqld to spike out the CPU
06:50.03FarhaadNin that time i check top and paste in pastebin
06:50.04drmessanoProbably Asterisk
06:50.18drmessanoand Asterisk is probably shitting itself when mysqld spikes out
06:50.23FarhaadNand then send to you
06:50.32drmessanoAre you using realtime with Asterisk?
06:50.37drmessanoor CDR?
06:50.39drmessanoor both?
06:50.42FarhaadNboth
06:50.45drmessanoYep
06:50.55drmessanoThats why your PDD is randomly lagging
06:51.02drmessanoYou need a bigger box
06:51.59FarhaadNwhat recommanded?
06:52.03FarhaadN4 core cpu
06:52.07FarhaadNand 8 GB ram
06:52.15FarhaadN500 GB SSD hard
06:52.33FarhaadNthis is server i used
06:52.46drmessano"4 core CPU" means NOTHING
06:52.59drmessanoI dont see any specs
06:53.07drmessanoBut even then
06:53.15drmessanoIts clear it doesnt match the actual usage
06:53.18drmessanoIt's underpowered
06:53.36drmessano8GB RAM is definitely too small
06:53.45drmessanoSHould have put 32GB in a new server
06:54.02drmessanoEspecially with a realtime Asterisk DB and CDR
06:54.06drmessanoRAM is cheap
06:54.23drmessanoWhat are the CPU specs?
06:54.50FarhaadNhttps://pastebin.com/Lj53dAUs
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06:57.11drmessanoYoure using a desktop CPU for this?
07:00.13FarhaadNhardware prepared with another guys
07:00.26drmessanoIts underpowered
07:00.28FarhaadNwe only deploy
07:00.32FarhaadNmy service
07:00.33FarhaadNon it
07:01.47wyoungI am here now
07:03.09FarhaadNif i use only CDR
07:03.15FarhaadNwith this server
07:04.15FarhaadNpossible to solevd problem?
07:05.03drmessanoHard to say
07:05.14drmessanoHow many concurrent calls are on this system?
07:05.53wyoungHmmmmm
07:06.00wyoungHow many channels you got too?
07:06.06FarhaadNin top times is 30
07:06.08FarhaadNor 40
07:06.09wyoungand which codec?
07:06.15FarhaadNg729
07:06.23wyoungthat is why you are CPU spiking :)
07:06.48wyoungg729 is CPU intensive, unless you have a hardware card to (trans|de|en)code it
07:07.07wyoungis everything voice prompt / pre-recored messages in g729 too?
07:07.15drmessanoWOW
07:07.37drmessanoAre you recording calls too?
07:07.42wyoungdrmessano: Am I giving good advice?
07:07.58drmessanoYeah but we're not there yet
07:07.59wyoungOr was that WOW a realisation that FarhaadN is doing other CPU intensive shit?
07:08.05drmessano^ that
07:08.09wyoung:)
07:08.19drmessanoFarhaadN: Are you recording calls too?
07:09.37wyoungIf MySQL is spiking you probably have a tonne of slow queries.  set up some slow query logging and see what is causing the issue.  You probably need to add in indexes and get rid of union queries or other shit.  You can also setup CPU limits in /etc/pam/security or whatnot.  but if I was you I would run MySQL on its own VM / PC
07:10.01FarhaadNdrmessano: yes recording
07:10.03wyoungMySQL is inherritently terrible.
07:10.07wyounglol
07:10.08drmessanoHAHAHAHHAH
07:10.15drmessanoDude
07:10.27wyoungFarhaadN: What country are you in now?
07:10.28drmessanoWhat is the word for FUCKED in your language?
07:10.46drmessanoYour box is WAY WAY WAY underspec'ed
07:10.59SamotHorribly fucked
07:11.00drmessano40 calls with transcoding and recording on some i5
07:11.05wyoungdrmessano: use [au]law if you want to reduce CPU load
07:11.11SamotAn i5?!?!
07:11.15wyounghaha
07:11.19drmessanowyoung: Not even just g729
07:11.23wyoungFarhaadN: What country?
07:11.29wyoungdrmessano: how many channels?
07:11.30drmessanothats a piece, but a small one
07:11.52drmessanoWhat stands out is realtime and recording AND the g729, int that order
07:11.56FarhaadN<PROTECTED>
07:11.58FarhaadNIran
07:12.01drmessanoand the box is underpowered to begin with
07:12.06drmessanoSo ANY of those are a problem
07:12.29FarhaadNin past whas ulaw
07:12.32drmessanoFarhaadN: You need a server with maybe DOUBLE the specifications you have now
07:12.40FarhaadNfor test i change to g729
07:12.42drmessanoXeon
07:12.46wyoungFarhaadN: http://www.irantalent.com/home/Binas-Energy-jobs.html
07:12.52drmessanoFarhaadN: You need a server with maybe DOUBLE the specifications you have now
07:13.00drmessano^ please acknowledge
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07:13.07FarhaadNand from yesterday is ulaw again
07:14.17FarhaadNwyoung: what is this link for?
07:15.06FarhaadNdrmessano: i told preperd another server
07:16.13wyoungFarhaadN: Another job if you can't solve this issue
07:16.17FarhaadNProviding hardware
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07:17.37FarhaadNwyoung: i dont need
07:17.52FarhaadNwhere are you from?
07:18.13FarhaadNin your country is a job?
07:25.20wyoungFarhaadN: AU
07:26.11wyoungFarhaadN: There are jobs here, but there are jobs in Iran too
07:27.35phix.o/
07:27.52wyoung\o.
07:28.17FarhaadNwyoung: australlia?
07:28.28FarhaadNi want to change my country
07:28.50phixWHy?
07:28.55phixMakes your country better!
07:29.01phixs/s//
07:29.33FarhaadNphix: yes
07:30.28phixOr if you do leave and come to AU assimilate, don't bring your country's problems to my country :)
07:31.12FarhaadNnothing here is right
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07:32.23phixFarhaadN: Make it right or come to AU and assimulate!
07:34.10FarhaadNHow can i apply for your country ? job
07:34.27wyoungYou need to be competent first :)
07:34.42wyoungwell, actually that is optional if you are going for a management job
07:35.35FarhaadNi just want a good job , i can learn and got skill
07:35.41FarhaadNnot a management job
07:35.50wyoungLearn by reading
07:35.55wyoungand understanding
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07:38.00FarhaadNyou cant understand, when prerequisite not exist
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07:41.41wyoungFarhaadN: prereqs do exist
07:43.55drmessanoYou're clearly not skilled enough for the job you have.  You need to start learning, fast
07:44.02drmessanoor find something else
07:44.25drmessanoAsterisk is rolling you, bruh
07:44.45wyoungFarhaadN: how old are you?
07:45.47FarhaadNdrmessano: i am gain information
07:45.55FarhaadNwyoung: 29
07:46.24FarhaadNand u?
07:55.03wyoungnice
07:55.04wyoung33
07:58.14drmessanoI’ll be 75 one day
08:01.18wyoungDepending if you don't get hit by a bus before hand of course
08:02.34FarhaadNwyoung: nice to meet u
08:02.43FarhaadNdrmessano: and you
08:02.56FarhaadNand again appoly for every time i enter this channel
08:02.57FarhaadN:D
08:03.55wyoung:D
08:04.54drmessanowyoung: or murdered, really
08:05.28FarhaadNappology*
08:05.50wyoungdrmessano: or that
08:07.57wyoungI am watching bojack horseman now drmessano
08:08.18wyoungCan we move this to a social channel?
08:16.24drmessanoMove what?
08:16.33wyoungthis chat
08:16.40wyoungas it isn't within topic
08:19.26wyoungdrmessano: or is that not an issue here?
08:25.42drmessanoI wouldnt worry about iut
08:25.43drmessanoI wouldnt worry about it
08:31.16wyoungok
08:31.22wyoungare you an op?
08:31.29wyoungIf not then I should worry about it
08:31.56wyoungDon't give me false security drmessano! This isn't a microsoft channel.
08:32.29drmessanoDude
08:32.38drmessanoThis channel has been off-topic for like 12 years
08:32.44drmessanoOff and on
08:32.56drmessanoPretty relaxed rules
08:33.21wyoungnice, I haven't been banned here so I guess it is pretyt relaxed :P
08:34.23drmessanoI had sex with Samot's mom in here and didnt get banned
08:34.31drmessanoSo I think we're fine
08:34.35SamotTrue story
08:34.43SamotIt was over pretty quick though
08:34.51SamotIt was like "drmessano nipped out"
08:35.09drmessanoYeah well
08:35.12drmessanoShe was all like
08:35.18drmessano"Youre bigger than my son"
08:35.22drmessanoSo whatevs
08:35.35SamotShe was calling you fat.
08:36.23drmessanoIm surprised she could see anything with that bag over her head
08:36.55drmessanoShe should be happy it was only one bag.  Any other day and she would have been a two-bagger
08:38.37drmessanohttps://www.reddit.com/r/hacking/comments/70cv5w/cso_of_equifax/
08:38.41drmessanoYou see that shit?
08:39.24SamotMusic.
08:39.25SamotHAHA
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08:44.07Samot[J]oules and FarhaadN should apply. They could be Co-CSO's.
08:48.00drmessanoAgreed
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17:15.47sibiriais there any decent solution to the problem that the Monitor application produces two legs that are of entirely different lengths and cannot be synced?
17:33.58SamotMan, I cannot believe that all this time after PJSIP has been around people are still asking if they need PJSIP capable phones or settings for their providers.
17:35.19SamotHonestly though, even if PJSIP was named Chan_SIP2 those questions would probably still be asked.
17:35.41Samot"SIP 2.0!!!!"
17:35.53SamotWhich, we already have anyways.
17:42.15sibiriaisn't pjsip just another SIP "engine" doing, fundamentally, the same as chan_sip normally does?
17:50.17fauxalliances/engine/stack  yes and no
17:51.24fauxalliancepjsip has more nat agile foo
17:51.32fauxallianceread the RFC's
18:01.28SamotIt's SIP
18:01.31SamotYes.
18:01.41SamotIt may do things better/more than Chan_SIP
18:01.53SamotBut there are other SIP stacks that do things as well
18:02.20SamotIf you connect your Asterisk server to BroadWorks, it has it's own SIP Stack
18:02.27sibiriais deprection planned for chan_sip?
18:02.32SamotIt doesn't care if you use Chan_SIP or Chan_PJSIP.
18:02.48SamotChan_SIP is not longer the focus of development for Asterisk
18:03.00SamotIt's not going away anytime soon but PJSIP is where development is going to be based.
18:03.15sibiriaso there's a point in reading up on pjsip, i take it
18:03.20SamotPolycom phones doesn't care if it's PJSIP or Chan_SIP
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18:18.42fauxallianceAvaya phones do care...
18:18.55fauxallianceirrelevant
18:22.49SamotIf you want to proprietary, sure. I'm talking about the SIP Standards/RFC, the think you like to go on about.
18:23.00Samots/think/thing/
18:23.29fauxallianceSamot: i do like standards... unless the IETF has their hands in it
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19:41.52cervajs2is it possible to configure multiple realtime backends for pjsip?
19:47.50fauxalliancesilumtaniously?
19:47.55fauxalliancesp?
19:48.41fauxalliancei have two back ends with a heartbeat and a forward proxy.. so yes?
19:49.26cervajs2yes. sumult. i.e. curl and odbc
19:50.16fauxalliancersync and prayer?
19:51.06fauxalliancehaast
19:58.25cervajs2found ;example => odbc,asterisk,alttable,1 ;example => mysql,asterisk,alttable,2
19:58.29cervajs2will try
20:04.56fauxalliances/odbc/SQL
20:07.08fauxalliancehttp://www.differencebetween.net/technology/software-technology/difference-between-odbc-and-sql-2/
20:10.10fauxalliancedoes telephreak still do the friday conference call?
20:17.59drmessanoYou mean the VUC?
20:23.17fauxallianceka4rap de vo1pbx, yes, k
20:23.27fauxalliancewhatever
20:23.37drmessanoYeah there is still a VUC
20:23.41fauxalliancecool
20:23.51drmessanoI havent listened in ages
20:23.57fauxallianceme neither
20:24.02drmessanoFunny part is..
20:24.09drmessanoHe started using these new tools
20:24.19drmessanoNew streaming options and whatever
20:24.41drmessanoNone of them worked for me either due to not having a linux option or something
20:24.51fauxalliancenoted
20:24.54drmessanoas soon as he started using some shit that did work, I got busy
20:25.49fauxalliancei had a sip uri on the polycom back in the day, and a DND on the phone/door
20:26.08fauxalliancei'll try to check in next week
20:27.46drmessanoI think im gonna start a VoIP community on Telegram
20:31.52dan_jIf I create a PJSIP endpoint for default outgoing dialling, do I only need to create the type=endpoint context, or do i need to create auth or aor to keep it secure?
20:33.24dan_jfile: sorry to disturb. following on from my question yesterday... ^ ^
20:35.12fileif it needs outbound auth you'd need to create an outbound auth section, if you want it to not be used for inbound you can send it to a context that goes nowhere or use permit/deny lines to not allow anything to use it inbound
20:38.04dan_jif I dont need outbound auth, i can leave it out and it's still secure?
20:38.20filedefine secure...
20:38.49fileif you do either of the two things I mentioned afterwards then nothing can use it inbound
20:39.10fileotherwise you'll need to give context for your query
20:39.21dan_jIf there is only an endpoint defined but no associated auth/aor, no unauthenticated inbound calls will be allowed through it
20:39.46dan_jok. I'll just set the endpoint context to an empty context
20:39.48dan_jthanks
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20:55.54fauxalliancedrmessano: signal private messenger is worth a look...  telegram, as in 'this message willl self destruct.'
20:56.00fauxalliance?
20:56.14drmessanoI cant stand Signal
20:56.22fauxalliancei don't like soap
20:56.24drmessanoIt's just not user friendly for anyone
20:56.36fauxalliancedrmessano: it's opus on whack
20:56.39fauxallianceagreeed
20:56.51drmessanoTelegram is far more accessible
20:56.56fauxalliancebut tor smells like onions
20:57.10drmessanook?
20:57.19fauxalliancei'll install and play
20:57.33fauxalliancethanks for the reference and the VUC info
20:58.21dan_jDoes anyone have experience with sipsak? How do you define the source port?
20:58.29fauxallianceand Signal Private Messenger works in Iran.
20:58.56drmessanoI've got 15 coworkers on telegram now.  Install was simple.  I had considered the super-geeky approach and trying Signal, but it's UI sucks, and it's really hard to scale it to your other devices
20:59.19drmessanoWith Telegram i've got users with it on their desktops, phones, and tablets in minutes
20:59.30drmessanoand you can use their username and not just phone number to find them
20:59.37fauxalliancedrmessano: i'll play, but does it work in Persia
20:59.46drmessanoSignal is kinda ironic in using phone numbers for discovery
20:59.48fauxallianceelse; the onion router
21:00.02drmessanoI dont understand how any of that affects me
21:00.05fauxalliancedrmessano: agreed
21:00.11drmessanoIran?  Persia? Who gives a fuck?
21:00.44fauxalliancedrmessano: those whom wish to speek freely, as in Freedom.
21:00.53drmessanook?
21:01.24drmessanoI don't know anyone in those places, so it's not a limiting factor
21:02.00fauxalliancedrmessano: privacy is everyones concern, regardless of locale
21:02.10drmessanook?
21:02.22drmessanoOk look
21:02.25drmessanoI fucking use it
21:02.32drmessanoI dont care about everyone else on the planet
21:02.35fauxalliancei'll use it too, i said thanks
21:03.00drmessanoSo I dont really have any interest in engaging in an hours long religious argument about which apps are more secure
21:03.04drmessanoReally.. I dont
21:05.36fauxallianceno argument, if telegram works, i'm elated... but if what you say could cost your life, let alone your job... for inconsequential chit-chat...
21:06.06drmessanoOk, im done
21:06.23drmessanowanders off
21:46.10drmessanofauxalliance: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/isis-telegram-app_us_59259254e4b0ec129d3136d5
21:46.47drmessanoTelegram was started by a Russian to provide privacy from Russian security services.  ISIS seems to think it's secure enough for their operations
21:47.13drmessanoSo, I see your "losing your life and your job" and I raise you "Terrorists seem to think it's secure"
21:47.18drmessanoCheckmate
21:47.44fauxalliancedrmessano: if you really want to incite them, call them Daesh-Bags
21:48.05drmessanoNot interested in inciting anyone
21:48.33drmessanoJust making a point that it's good enough for terrorists and hiding from the Russians.
21:48.43drmessanoThat's good enough for me
21:48.50fauxalliancedrmessano: no, but Grindr in Tehran get's you fucked more ways than one.  I Said I installed telegram.
21:48.53drmessanoThough it's 0% the reason I use it
21:49.02drmessanoI dont care if you installed it
21:49.15fauxalliancewanders away
21:49.16drmessanoYou went on this rant about security and Iran
21:49.30drmessanoNot sure why I am being trolled here.. never asked ANYONE to fucking use it
21:49.32drmessanoSo whatever
21:49.36fauxallianceno, privacy and reasonable expectation thereof.
21:49.46SamotHe says on IRC
21:50.12SamotI take you do have a cell phone and if you do you don't talk on it in public?
21:50.19Samot*don't have
21:50.21drmessanoI have no expectation of privacy
21:50.34drmessanoIf I want privacy, I have other means that don't include apps
21:51.04fauxallianceSamot: not since i picked up the tranny hookers on my sony trinitron on UHF 181 with the old AMPS network..  i prefer not to use a cell.
21:51.06drmessanoI made one little statement
21:51.07drmessano16:27:46 <drmessano> I think im gonna start a VoIP community on Telegram
21:51.16drmessanoand it turned into this whole fucking thing about privacy
21:51.43drmessanoJFC
21:56.37SamotYeah well...
21:56.48SamotI'm going to the Drive-In tonight to see IT
21:57.22fauxalliance3d?
21:57.24drmessanoYou're really gonna drive you car into a movie?
21:57.32drmessanoThat's really insecure
21:57.45fauxalliancedrmessano: he lives in detroit
21:57.51SamotNo. I don't.
21:57.57drmessanoHe doesnt
21:57.58SamotI said I was *from* Detroit.
21:58.04SamotI never said that's where I lived.
21:58.15fauxallianceSamot: fair enough, tough enougj
21:59.28drmessanoSamot: Does the movie use Tor and PKI over SLDAPS?
21:59.29SamotHowever, I have informed my wife that during the second feature I'll just be on my phone.
21:59.33fauxallianceanyways, IT in 3d should be shityourpants cool at any venue, drive in (they still have projectionists union?) or imax
21:59.44SamotBecause, Annabel: Creation.
21:59.49SamotAnd...blah
21:59.58drmessanoDoes Annabel use SLDAPS?
22:00.05SamotI hope not
22:00.09SamotI wouldn't mind it getting hacked.
22:00.23SamotModern day horror movies just don't cut it.
22:00.29SamotWell most of them.
22:00.45drmessanoOh ive been working on an upgrade to SLDAPS
22:01.04drmessanoIt's DTLS-SLDAPS (AKA Good Luck Motherfucker, ROFL)
22:02.01SamotIt was funny tho..
22:02.10SamotLast week my kids say the premier..
22:02.17voipmonkPopcorn brought to you by David Webb, drinks brought to you by Susan Mauldin
22:02.30SamotAnd when I picked them up they were comparing this version to the "original"
22:03.06SamotThey mentioned something that wasn't in the original and they were like "I don't get why it was in the movie"
22:03.13drmessanovoipmonk: Im gonna sell my stock in the company I created to sell DTLS-SLDAPS the day before it's announced that's snakeoil and 1000% hackable
22:03.20drmessanoSo I appreciate their example
22:03.32SamotAnd I was like "Well it's in the book. It is actually an important part of the story"
22:03.40SamotYou read the book?
22:03.54fauxalliancedrmessano: insider trading?
22:04.13fauxalliancethe book is the -original-
22:04.13drmessanofauxalliance: Equifax.. it's been in the new for a week
22:04.19fauxallianceadmin:admin
22:04.20drmessanofauxalliance: Equifax.. it's been in the news for a week
22:04.21fauxallianceyep
22:04.34voipmonkcouldn't help it with all the security chit chat
22:04.49drmessanovoipmonk: Unintended secruity chit chat
22:04.59SamotAnd boom your dead.
22:04.59drmessanovoipmonk: Unintended security chit chat
22:05.02Samotyou're
22:05.59fauxallianceSamot: +1 grammar point
22:06.22SamotYeah..
22:06.40SamotI kind of focused on learning one language pretty well instead of being inept in multiple.
22:07.04drmessanoI've watched 3 communities die this week, or basically get no reprieve from an expiration date due to hardware attrition, largely due to arguments from 10% over the other 90%'s choice to use some modern platform
22:07.22Samot??
22:07.30fauxallianceapple users choose android?
22:07.55drmessanoThat basically never happens
22:08.00SamotWhich ones?
22:08.39drmessanoA LUG, a group dedicated to IP network over Amateur Radio, and a broadcast community
22:08.56voipmonkyou'll dual boot very soon, drink some Cider in the meantime.
22:09.00drmessanoNo Facebook, no Slack, no Groups.io, no Google Groups, nada.
22:09.20drmessanoAll "too insecure and they steal your fucking life"
22:09.50drmessano"Mailman or die" or worse, they chose some shit platform like MeetUp and dont want to pay now that prices went up
22:10.02drmessanoBecause everyone is a fucking elitist
22:10.08drmessanoIm so sick of it
22:10.09SamotYeah.
22:10.32SamotI love watching people spin their wheels over "security"
22:10.43SamotAnd the complex web they try to weave..
22:10.51SamotTo be "Secure"
22:11.13SamotI swear if someone suggests "Don't use 5060 or standard SIP ports and you'll be good" as a solution again...
22:11.15SamotNo..
22:11.18SamotYou won't
22:11.33SamotBecause that "security" measure is 10+ years old
22:12.03SamotEveryone that wants your PBX
22:12.11SamotIs checking those "non-standard" ports
22:12.39drmessanoIn a nutshell
22:13.21drmessanoThat thing you're overly paranoid about.. you don't need.  If you think you need it, you should give up the other thing that IS sucking all your information that you're gonna argue "Well, it's just that one thing"
22:13.32drmessanoSelective douchbaggery
22:13.45SamotEvery time I make a post in the FreePBX forums about "I'm 100% in the 'cloud' and i don't get hacked with simple security logic' I get flooded with messages of  how I do it.
22:14.03SamotGenerally by other providers
22:14.29drmessanoI've thwarted ALL SIP attacks or the last 4 years with my simple firewall rules
22:14.34drmessanofor*
22:14.40drmessanoNot had one fill my logs
22:14.48SamotBut it's *simple*
22:14.51drmessanoNot had one last more than a couple lines of log
22:14.52SamotSo how can it work?
22:14.56SamotThat doesn't make sense?
22:15.10SamotThat's where they are so lost when they want to know things
22:15.14drmessanoIt has to use SLDAPS and fails2work
22:15.42SamotWell then you say things like "Do you have customers in China?"
22:15.43Samot"No"
22:15.49drmessanoPPTP over SIPS over IPSEC for my grandmas home phone
22:15.52Samot"Why is it opened to China IPs?"
22:15.54drmessanoGMAFB
22:15.55Samot"Oh, good point"
22:16.19SamotThere are parts of the world that are known for trying to rape your PBX/servers
22:16.30SamotWhy isn't step one, block those d-bags.
22:16.41drmessanoEquifax got hacked because of not patching Apache
22:16.47SamotDude
22:16.51drmessanoBut they force users to use 5 layers of auth
22:16.53SamotJust because it's EOL
22:16.57drmessanoand they didn't patch
22:16.57SamotDoesn't mean it stops working
22:17.23SamotI mean why should I update?
22:17.25SamotIt works
22:17.36SamotWho cares if it's not patched..or getting bug fixes
22:17.39Samotor security fixes
22:17.47SamotIt hasn't stopped wor....oh shit
22:17.55drmessanoBesides
22:18.08drmessanoAll my devices use SLDAPS over TLS over Bitcoin
22:18.14drmessanoIM secure as fuck
22:18.30SamotAnd you never need a back of your 6TB of data.
22:18.36Samot+up
22:18.37drmessanoROFL
22:18.59Samot"Well I have a rsync'd server for failover"
22:19.11Samot"So what happens when you rsync that data corruption over?"
22:19.14Samot"......."
22:19.40SamotAnyways..
22:19.47SamotTime to drive-in to the movies
22:20.07drmessanoHave fun.. be sure to TLS-SLDAPS everything
22:20.54SamotWell wont they all be surpised when i make it a 3d experience
22:21.07drmessanoHAH
22:38.01sibiriais it possible to make a relative goto? that is, jumping either to next prio, or jumping two prios ahead
22:38.09sibiria(in the dialplan)
22:39.06drmessanoYou want GotoIf
22:39.21sibiriayes but i still want to do a relative jump
22:40.06drmessanoYou want one prio or a completely different one
22:40.13drmessanoDepending on a condition
22:40.32sibiriadepending on a condition i want to either move on to next prio, or jump over the next prio
22:40.39drmessanoGotoIf(condition?label1:label2)
22:41.10sibirialabels? i don't use AEL, just plain dialplans with 'n' prio
22:41.17sibiriacan i define labels still?
22:41.22drmessanoThis isn't AEL
22:41.25drmessanoIt's DIALPLAN
22:42.09sibiria"just plain dialplans with 'n' prio"
22:42.16drmessanohttps://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Application_GotoIf
22:42.40sibiriayes, i'm aware of it. it doesn't specify how to define a label
22:42.45sibirianor if it's possible to make a relative prio jump
22:43.04sibiriathe keyword is RELATIVE to the current prio
22:43.06drmessanoRead the page I pasted
22:44.54sibiriai know how both goto and conditional goto works. what i don't know is if it's possible to define a lanel for an unnumbered priority (n), or if it's possible to say 'current prio + 2 ahead'
22:45.23drmessanoYou can define a label for an unnumbered priority
22:45.29drmessanoThats the point of LABELS
22:45.35sibiriahow is it done?
22:45.56drmessanosame => n(monkeys),Playback(tt-monkeys)
22:46.28sibirian(label), that's what i was looking for. thanks
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23:29.58Samothttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dIKfMxmM/irccloudcapture1780500065.jpg
23:30.22drmessanoIs that encrypted to Iranian standards?
23:30.35drmessanoAsking for a friend
23:32.09SamotIts someones farn
23:32.12SamotFarm
23:32.29SamotTheres a campground...nbq srand
23:32.30SamotStand
23:32.40SamotBbq
23:33.13drmessanoIs the BBQ open source?
23:35.39SamotYes
23:35.52SamotBBQOSS
23:37.23drmessanoYou know what's a good wood for smoking BBQ?
23:37.35drmessano🍎 wood
23:38.54SamotYes
23:39.04SamotMan this place is packed
23:45.42SamotSo do radio stations let drive in "borrow" airwaves?
23:46.31SamotBecause the audio for the movies is over a local FM station
23:48.11drmessanolol
23:48.22drmessanoPart 15
23:48.32Samot??
23:48.37drmessanoAt least that's the US.. Canada has something similar
23:49.02SamotSo they let it?
23:49.02drmessanoLess than 250mw and antenna less than x feet in length, completely legal
23:49.10SamotOk
23:49.23drmessanoNot sure what Canadas rules are, but similar
23:49.25drmessanoAM and FM
23:49.42drmessanoThats how traffic information stations on AM work
23:49.43drmessanoNo license
23:49.50SamotSo i can take the signal
23:49.59SamotFor my small radius
23:52.49drmessanowow
23:52.57drmessanoUSA is 250uv
23:53.02drmessanoCanada is 1000uv
23:53.10drmessanoThat's nuts

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