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| 06:36.32 | jamesaxl | hi |
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| 06:40.52 | FarhaadN | in asterisk 14 i set /etc/asterisk/logger.conf full log to : |
| 06:40.52 | FarhaadN | [logfiles] |
| 06:40.52 | FarhaadN | console => debug,error,notice,verbose,warning |
| 06:40.52 | FarhaadN | full => debug,error,notice,verbose,warning |
| 06:41.16 | FarhaadN | but when i tail -f /var/log/asterisk/full |
| 06:41.22 | FarhaadN | dialplan dont show |
| 06:42.33 | FarhaadN | but when in asterisk -r enter command : core set verbose 10 and dont close |
| 06:42.44 | FarhaadN | in full log show the log |
| 06:44.41 | jamesaxl | is it possible to get client tel number? |
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| 06:55.38 | androidz | Hi, I'd like to ask a question regarding AMI logins. Anyone on? |
| 06:59.23 | androidz | My logins aren't appearing in the asterisk CLI, normally I see xxxx logged from 127.0.0.1 or something similar... now it just doesn't show up at all. |
| 07:00.55 | androidz | I haven't changed anything from the config files. |
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| 07:24.50 | FarhaadN | in asterisk 14 i set /etc/asterisk/logger.conf full log to : |
| 07:24.50 | FarhaadN | [logfiles] |
| 07:24.50 | FarhaadN | console => debug,error,notice,verbose,warning |
| 07:24.50 | FarhaadN | full => debug,error,notice,verbose,warning |
| 07:24.50 | FarhaadN | but when i tail -f /var/log/asterisk/full |
| 07:24.50 | FarhaadN | dialplan log dont show |
| 07:24.50 | FarhaadN | but when in asterisk -r enter command : core set verbose 10 and dont close |
| 07:24.51 | FarhaadN | in full log show the log |
| 07:24.51 | FarhaadN | what am i doing? |
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| 08:24.52 | tmuwa | Good morning! |
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| 09:05.03 | jamesaxl | hi |
| 09:05.27 | jamesaxl | Could you help about asterisk support realtime? |
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| 14:04.14 | [sr] | hi prople |
| 14:04.26 | [sr] | conferense with 50 destinations (internal or external), possible? |
| 14:09.05 | [sr] | thats not my idea of this!! |
| 14:10.38 | file | people have used ConfBridge with more... |
| 14:11.39 | [sr] | hum... |
| 14:13.02 | [sr] | going to read on the net |
| 14:13.12 | [sr] | i'll ask for more help if need |
| 14:13.13 | [sr] | thank |
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| 14:25.28 | n_byrnes | does anyone know if it is possible to reference multiple fields when using REALTIME in the dialplan? I'm trying to query a database table on two columns, rather than just one from within my dialplan.... |
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| 14:27.59 | n_byrnes | It looks like it ought to be able to from reading the source, there seems to be some argument parsing within a loop in the realtime functions |
| 14:28.00 | anonymouz666 | file: what asterisk 15 is able to do with video? |
| 14:28.16 | anonymouz666 | transcoding? mcu? recording? |
| 14:28.33 | file | there will be blog posts on https://blogs.asterisk.org/ talking about what |
| 14:28.50 | file | but no transcoding or recording. |
| 14:29.42 | anonymouz666 | file: is it possible to consider both still in version 15? |
| 14:30.10 | file | it's possible they could be added in the future... |
| 14:30.23 | anonymouz666 | yeah, it's just software! |
| 14:30.27 | file | I wouldn't foresee transcoding though unless someone really really wanted it... |
| 14:30.39 | file | and then there's patent constraints... depending on codcs |
| 14:31.21 | anonymouz666 | file: I have seen many people changing to another project due video restrictions on current version of asterisk. |
| 14:32.05 | anonymouz666 | I am asterisk-user since 2004, I feel sad when I see video stuff getting behind |
| 14:32.22 | file | ok |
| 14:33.23 | Samot | There's just not enough demand to drive that level of development, I'm sure. |
| 14:33.47 | file | traditionally there hasn't been many people asking for it, yes |
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| 14:34.06 | file | with WebRTC and many devices have built in cameras the experience and availability has changed, so it's getting more active |
| 14:34.35 | file | and Asterisk 15 has a foundation to allow better video |
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| 14:34.51 | Samot | Yes but overall video isn't a common work place thing. |
| 14:35.11 | Samot | As far as users go. |
| 14:35.12 | file | I use it every day these days |
| 14:35.21 | Samot | Sure a few conference rooms things |
| 14:35.30 | file | it's just a nice addition to the experience |
| 14:35.33 | Samot | But your agents answering basic calls.. |
| 14:35.42 | Samot | They aren't going to be using video for those calls. |
| 14:35.46 | file | indeed |
| 14:36.28 | Samot | I can see the desire for video in your conference room |
| 14:36.38 | Samot | Or a small number of users.. |
| 14:36.39 | anonymouz666 | Samot: audio is OK, still very widely used, but things are evolving to video. Ask polycom what videos provides for their growth. The realconnect stuff etc. |
| 14:36.51 | Samot | But in a 300 user office, I bet 5 would use video. |
| 14:37.12 | Samot | "still very widely used" |
| 14:37.14 | anonymouz666 | it depends on what kind of company you have access to, large enterprises are heavily based on videoconferece stuff. |
| 14:37.21 | Samot | Yes, regular phone calls are still very widely used. |
| 14:37.32 | Samot | Right |
| 14:37.46 | Samot | But Fortune 500 companies are probably not running Asterisk. |
| 14:38.37 | anonymouz666 | Samot: you can create a lot of value for those companies using asterisk, if you have better support for other stuff (like video recording, transcoding, etc.) |
| 14:38.46 | Samot | You're comparing apples to oranges. |
| 14:38.48 | anonymouz666 | they are using cisco |
| 14:38.51 | anonymouz666 | skype for business |
| 14:39.15 | Samot | Weird. |
| 14:39.31 | Samot | A large enterprise being a Cisco/Windows environment. |
| 14:39.56 | anonymouz666 | Samot: skype for business is taking cisco place as UC solution |
| 14:40.14 | anonymouz666 | just look at gartner magic quadrant |
| 14:40.16 | Samot | You're comparing a FOSS project to Microsoft/Cisco. |
| 14:40.50 | Samot | FOSS is not an option on the table in most enterprise businesses. |
| 14:40.57 | anonymouz666 | Samot: I am saying that you can create value for those companies with a solution that fits their limitation, as thinking Asterisk as telephony commodity |
| 14:40.58 | Samot | They want something "enterprise" and fully supported. |
| 14:41.09 | Samot | You can. |
| 14:41.22 | Samot | I'm not arguing that point. |
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| 14:41.50 | Samot | I'm arguing that a million/billion dollar company will have pickiness about using FOSS for their stuff. |
| 14:42.06 | Samot | Asterisk can have all the bells and the whistles in the world but it's FOSS |
| 14:42.15 | Samot | That only is enough to remove it from consideration. |
| 14:42.42 | Samot | They would go with Certified which allows them to pour money into what they want Asterisk to do |
| 14:42.48 | Samot | Have have guaranteed SLAs |
| 14:42.58 | Samot | They are going to spend money on their telecom solution. |
| 14:43.06 | Samot | "Free" is not a consideration. |
| 14:44.45 | Samot | I mean.. |
| 14:44.59 | Samot | Asterisk could do Property Management System integration. |
| 14:45.19 | Samot | It would open them up to a multi-billion dollar industry. |
| 14:45.31 | Samot | It would give leverage to those companies... |
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| 18:28.21 | [TK]D-Fender | woddy, For your question in #freepbx , yes and no. They off a free bolt-on GUI for Asterisk. They also offer a free ISO to do a "full install" of an OS with all the bits to get an SMB PBX running. They also sell ready-made appliances, commercial modules, etc, but those are all OPTIONAL |
| 18:29.07 | [TK]D-Fender | So your question of "are they a business" might not apply to your actual goal : "Do they have free stuff I can use" <- if that's the better question |
| 18:34.51 | Samot | And well.. |
| 18:35.00 | Samot | Asterisk = Business in the same same vein. |
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| 18:37.07 | Samot | Hahahahaha |
| 18:38.08 | Samot | Apparently having a PBX system that is from a business type place is out of the question. |
| 18:38.39 | [TK]D-Fender | I refuse to use Fedora because RedHat is a business! |
| 18:38.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Same with Ubuntu! |
| 18:39.04 | [TK]D-Fender | How dare they have ANYTHING to do with making money even if I get free use of thier products to the capacity I need! |
| 18:39.16 | Samot | Well.. |
| 18:39.22 | Samot | You're forgetting something |
| 18:39.24 | [TK]D-Fender | #TRIGGERED |
| 18:40.00 | Samot | "How dare they try to make money even if I use it for free, while *I AM* trying to make money off free stuff" |
| 18:40.52 | [TK]D-Fender | But enough about me ... what do YOU think about me? #narcissistmuch |
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| 20:43.21 | lvlinux | does * support t.38 faxing direct now, or is it still passthrough like used to be? |
| 20:46.29 | Samot | T.38 is encapsulation |
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| 20:54.22 | lvlinux | Yes but can Asterisk originate the fax and be able to send it with T.38 itself with Sendfax() like it can over g.711, or must an ATA and real fax machine be used for T.38? |
| 20:54.59 | Samot | No. You can set t.38 on a peer |
| 20:55.42 | Samot | T.38 doesnt happen in the initial SDP offering |
| 20:55.47 | lvlinux | no it can't do it or no you don't have to use an ATA/fax machine? |
| 20:56.10 | Samot | You dont have to use a device |
| 20:56.35 | Samot | T.38 doesnt happen until the other side says it does |
| 20:56.45 | Samot | So... |
| 20:57.12 | Samot | It never starts t.38 |
| 20:58.03 | lvlinux | Yes I knew that, so just to make sure I'm understanding, if I have t38 parameters enabled in pjsip.conf and do SendFax(), AND the other side supports T.38 and tells that to Asterisk, it will start using it for that fax. Right? |
| 20:59.15 | Samot | Yes. |
| 20:59.23 | Samot | Its an option of sendfax |
| 20:59.26 | Samot | Has been. |
| 20:59.37 | Samot | It will only use it if the other channel has it |
| 21:00.07 | Samot | So if this goes out to somewhere that doesnt use t.38, it wont be used |
| 21:00.40 | Samot | Nothing "forces" it on ourbound |
| 21:01.39 | lvlinux | k |
| 21:04.36 | lvlinux | So does my t.38 supporting SIP provider unencapsulate and send regular fax tones into the PSTN on the other side, or does it stay T.38 further along? (In other words does the receiving fax machine have to support anything special or can it be an old junker "dumb" fax machine?) |
| 21:05.23 | lvlinux | Nevermind, T.38 is over IP so obviously it would have to convert to standard fax tones I guess... |
| 21:06.03 | Samot | It depends on what they do with it. |
| 21:06.12 | lvlinux | oh? |
| 21:06.17 | Samot | If they are touching the media in someway they need to support it |
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| 21:06.33 | Samot | If they aren't touching the media, they don't need to support it. |
| 21:07.11 | Samot | T.38 is an "Otherside" thing. |
| 21:07.38 | Samot | When someone sends you a fax, the initial SDP is just the standard g711 (if that's being used) |
| 21:08.11 | Samot | When Asterisk is the one answering the call and you have t.38 enabled... |
| 21:08.21 | fauxalliance | good thing i stocked up on thermal paper in 1992 |
| 21:08.24 | Samot | Asterisk will send back SDP with T.38 |
| 21:08.40 | Samot | Causing a Re-INVITE from the other side. |
| 21:08.55 | Samot | If *THEY* do not support T.38, the call is done. |
| 21:09.35 | fauxalliance | i've only managed to get T.38 working internally, once it hits the cloud, poof! |
| 21:09.59 | Samot | I've been using T.38 for a decade plus and it works. |
| 21:10.13 | fauxalliance | i.e. if you fart into the wind, whilst holding a lit match overhead, T.38 WORKS! |
| 21:11.04 | lvlinux | Will it not fall back to fax tones over g711 if the re-invite doesn't get an ok? |
| 21:11.18 | fauxalliance | hell no |
| 21:11.27 | Samot | Nope. |
| 21:11.33 | lvlinux | wow that stinks |
| 21:11.35 | Samot | Because you want T.38 |
| 21:11.43 | Samot | That's why it's an OTHER SIDE thing. |
| 21:11.52 | Samot | It doesn't happen until the other side says they can do it. |
| 21:11.58 | fauxalliance | t.38 is OK if you only want to rx 90% of the faxes sent to yo |
| 21:11.59 | fauxalliance | u |
| 21:12.01 | Samot | Because they will reply back with T.38 in the SDP |
| 21:12.08 | Samot | Whatever. |
| 21:12.13 | Samot | FAX is best effort. |
| 21:12.16 | Samot | Even on POTS. |
| 21:12.31 | lvlinux | Yes I've had plenty fail even on a good old analog line |
| 21:12.33 | fauxalliance | i still use USR modems for fax. on a copper line, with hylafax. |
| 21:12.42 | Samot | FAX is best effort. |
| 21:12.44 | fauxalliance | indee |
| 21:12.46 | fauxalliance | d |
| 21:13.32 | fauxalliance | i haven't looked at iaxmodem in a while |
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| 21:14.30 | lvlinux | I've tried to avoid fax for years and migrate clients over to email whenever possible, but the odd required fax always pops up here and there and is always a pain when I haven't set everything up for it already. |
| 21:14.52 | Samot | Well the emergence of FoIP devices over the past 5-6 years has changed things too. |
| 21:15.05 | fauxalliance | lvlinux: i usually mandate a "power fail" extension, a copper line, that the fax shit connects too |
| 21:15.07 | fauxalliance | to |
| 21:15.09 | Samot | It's all I use now. |
| 21:15.43 | fauxalliance | Samot: iaxmodem? |
| 21:15.47 | Samot | No. |
| 21:15.51 | Samot | A FoIP device. |
| 21:15.55 | fauxalliance | ahh |
| 21:16.01 | Samot | It only uses FAX protocols. |
| 21:16.04 | fauxalliance | i'll play again, what do you recommend |
| 21:16.05 | Samot | It doesn't do voice. |
| 21:16.11 | lvlinux | fauxalliance: that's what I do if they say they have a lot of faxes. But I haven't tried to mess with T.38 until just recently. |
| 21:16.15 | fauxalliance | i.e. a t.38 ATA for fax |
| 21:16.22 | Samot | There are various FoIP platforms/devices |
| 21:16.48 | Samot | I use a dedicated FoIP platform. |
| 21:16.50 | fauxalliance | i build the platform, name a good device |
| 21:17.08 | Samot | Most of those are proprietary |
| 21:17.16 | fauxalliance | see aslo: avaya |
| 21:17.17 | Samot | They go with the platform they talk to. |
| 21:17.25 | fauxalliance | how disgusting |
| 21:17.29 | Samot | Yeah. |
| 21:17.31 | Samot | Crazy |
| 21:17.45 | fauxalliance | so much for IETF standards |
| 21:18.32 | fauxalliance | re-reads https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3362 |
| 21:19.13 | lvlinux | I guess I need to read over that as well. |
| 21:19.28 | lvlinux | Thanks for the info guys. |
| 21:19.34 | Samot | I'm not sure how that applies. |
| 21:19.51 | Samot | Since all these vendors are design devices using the same method. |
| 21:20.13 | Samot | The devices are endpoints, danglies for the actual product. |
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| 21:20.22 | Samot | The FAX platform |
| 21:20.33 | fauxalliance | Samot: i.e. Avaya has their OWN SIP standard |
| 21:20.40 | fauxalliance | it's not SIP per se |
| 21:20.45 | fauxalliance | it's a clusterfuck |
| 21:20.49 | fauxalliance | MWI, lol |
| 21:21.10 | lvlinux | that RFC is only for the mime type of t.38, not the protocol itself lol |
| 21:21.29 | fauxalliance | lvlinux: rfc4612 |
| 21:21.31 | fauxalliance | sorry |
| 21:21.36 | lvlinux | hehe |
| 21:21.44 | fauxalliance | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4612 |
| 21:22.03 | Samot | You better stop using Asterisk. |
| 21:22.48 | Samot | Asterisk is not 100% RFC compliant. |
| 21:22.48 | fauxalliance | Samot: as long as the source is open |
| 21:22.51 | salviadud | Why fax, when you can scan and e-mail |
| 21:22.53 | Samot | Oh. |
| 21:22.56 | Samot | I see. |
| 21:23.10 | Samot | RFC only matters if its' closed |
| 21:23.18 | lvlinux | lol |
| 21:23.53 | fauxalliance | Samot: clearly not what I said |
| 21:23.58 | fauxalliance | but, it helps |
| 21:24.15 | fauxalliance | PJSIP, BJSIP, show me the manual |
| 21:24.56 | Samot | You realize that Chan_SIP and Chan_PJSIP are not the only SIP stacks out there right? |
| 21:25.08 | fauxalliance | Samot: i use IAX/2 a lot |
| 21:25.21 | Samot | Well that's not a SIP stack. |
| 21:25.22 | fauxalliance | so, yes |
| 21:25.28 | fauxalliance | other stacks |
| 21:25.51 | Samot | IAX != SIP |
| 21:25.58 | Samot | Completely different. |
| 21:26.20 | fauxalliance | no, neither does all the other flavor pseudo sip stacks |
| 21:26.32 | Samot | IAX is not SIP |
| 21:26.33 | Samot | At all |
| 21:26.37 | fauxalliance | SIP is a standard |
| 21:26.42 | fauxalliance | some follow, some dont |
| 21:26.43 | Samot | It does not fall in the "SIP Stack" category |
| 21:27.05 | fauxalliance | Samot: put words in my mouth, then you mince them, troll ya later |
| 21:27.48 | Samot | Sophia, SIP-B, etc those are SIP Stacks. |
| 21:28.02 | Samot | Lots of different SIP platforms implement their own stacks. |
| 21:29.40 | fauxalliance | i only call it SIP if if follows IETF standards, i.e. RFC3261. else it's a vendors propritary bullshit, never to interoperate with anything of mine again. |
| 21:29.54 | Samot | OK. |
| 21:30.22 | fauxalliance | i slipped in IAX, but that's another stack I use. Sophia, that was ten years ago with bluebox and the 2600hz project |
| 21:30.36 | fauxalliance | Sofia, sp? |
| 21:31.10 | Samot | Yeah so SIP-B follows that |
| 21:31.16 | Samot | Sophia follows that |
| 21:31.36 | Samot | Even Genbands old M6 followed that pretty much |
| 21:31.51 | fauxalliance | cool, i'll play backwards compatability roulette next scheduled reboot |
| 21:32.19 | Samot | That's pretty much the standard SBCs, SoftSwitches, Proxies use. |
| 21:32.34 | fauxalliance | like the cisco SIP MANGLER |
| 21:32.37 | fauxalliance | i mean proxy |
| 21:32.58 | Samot | Cisco doesn't sell that shit for non-Cisco stuff. |
| 21:33.07 | Samot | Cisco wants you to be 100% Cisco. |
| 21:33.11 | Samot | That's always been their play |
| 21:33.51 | fauxalliance | thats _every_vendors_GAME |
| 21:34.53 | lvlinux | Cisco does it so well though hehe |
| 21:35.16 | fauxalliance | Monopoly of Ciscoeze |
| 21:35.24 | fauxalliance | redundancy must be free. |
| 21:36.44 | salviadud | Cisco hates it when you don't pay for CUCM |
| 21:37.06 | fauxalliance | or VRRP |
| 21:37.08 | fauxalliance | lol |
| 21:38.11 | salviadud | I think you can get something similar with Dell switches |
| 21:38.25 | fauxalliance | RFC5978 which is an open standard, but Cisco claims that a similar protocol with essentially the same facility is patented and licensed |
| 21:39.20 | fauxalliance | like cadtrac's bloody patent on XOR |
| 21:40.20 | fauxalliance | you can't patent logic. or common sense. |
| 21:41.05 | RovingWriter | give it time. |
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| 21:49.34 | [TK]D-Fender | My watch has more |
| 21:49.37 | [TK]D-Fender | ...and it's ANALOG |
| 21:50.27 | [TK]D-Fender | #badaim |
| 21:51.51 | Samot | Isn't that what your dad said to your mom moments after you were conceived? |
| 21:52.35 | [TK]D-Fender | #zing |
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