| 00:00.24 | hdon_ | http://ix.io/tK1 |
| 00:01.24 | [TK]D-Fender | <[TK]D-Fender> Let alone your DISABLING your attempt to force chan_sip, letting it CONTINUE... and then showing what happens when you try to do it MANUALLY |
| 00:01.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Next..... |
| 00:01.47 | hdon_ | yeah i did not understand that sentence but i was afraid to ask what you meant |
| 00:01.59 | [TK]D-Fender | YouGET RID OF THE REQUIRE |
| 00:02.14 | hdon_ | okay |
| 00:02.22 | hdon_ | anything else? i want to make sure i get it right. |
| 00:02.41 | [TK]D-Fender | 1 step at a time |
| 00:02.52 | hdon_ | do you want me to comment out the whole line so there is no directive referencing chan_sip.so? |
| 00:03.05 | hdon_ | i could even delete the line if having the comment is troubling to you |
| 00:03.07 | [TK]D-Fender | How about purge entirely? |
| 00:12.10 | [TK]D-Fender | and.....? |
| 00:12.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Should take all of 30 seconds to have new results... |
| 00:20.40 | *** join/#asterisk infobot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 00:20.40 | *** topic/#asterisk is #asterisk The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- LTS: 13.15.0 (2017/04/07), 11.25.1 (2016/12/08), Standard: 14.4.0 (2017/04/07); DAHDI: DAHDI-linux 2.11.1 (2016/03/01), DAHDI-tools 2.11.1 (2016/03/01); libpri 1.6.0 (2017/01/27) -=- Wiki: wiki.asterisk.org -=- Code of Conduct: bit.ly/1hH6P22 -=- Logs: bit.ly/1s4AKKu |
| 00:21.16 | [TK]D-Fender | watches some paint dry... |
| 00:21.24 | Samot | No clue. |
| 00:44.03 | [TK]D-Fender | And 40 minutes later.... |
| 00:46.42 | *** join/#asterisk jchillerup (~xxxxx@ip-188-95-224-221.kna.citycloud.se) |
| 00:47.15 | jchillerup | Hi, I'd like to run a dialplan function from the console. Is that possile to just ... "do"? |
| 00:47.23 | [TK]D-Fender | no. |
| 00:47.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Dialplan apps need to be called by a running channel |
| 00:47.36 | jchillerup | okay |
| 00:47.36 | [TK]D-Fender | What specific ones were you looking at? |
| 00:47.42 | jchillerup | MessageSend |
| 00:48.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Originate a Local channel |
| 00:48.04 | jchillerup | I want to send a SIP SIMPLE message to a handset, triggered by an external script |
| 00:48.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Or use a call file |
| 00:48.32 | jchillerup | I figured out how to originate a voice channel, is it like that? |
| 00:48.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Except you are using a Local channel; |
| 00:48.53 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 00:49.11 | jchillerup | ok, I'll have a look |
| 00:49.14 | [TK]D-Fender | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Local+Channel |
| 00:49.38 | jchillerup | Another way would be to have my script connect by SIP to asterisk and send the SMS as if it were another phone |
| 00:50.06 | jchillerup | .. buuut I'd like to avoid that |
| 00:51.38 | *** join/#asterisk DivideBy0 (~DivideBy0@unaffiliated/divideby0x0) |
| 00:51.38 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o DivideBy0] by ChanServ |
| 00:51.58 | jchillerup | Callfiles look like they could slve the problem, thanks |
| 00:52.16 | [TK]D-Fender | That or AMI Originate would be the top 2 ways |
| 00:57.37 | jchillerup | it's easy to create a file with Python, I think I'll look into that, thanks! |
| 00:58.02 | [TK]D-Fender | If you're triggering from the local FS itself that would do jsut fine |
| 00:58.25 | *** join/#asterisk fstd_ (~fstd@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 00:58.28 | jchillerup | I am |
| 00:58.44 | jchillerup | I want to send an SMS when a sensor connected to the computer picks up a signal |
| 01:11.56 | *** join/#asterisk Iamnacho (~Iamnacho@ip70-171-163-5.om.om.cox.net) |
| 01:17.04 | Samot | Huh, still nothing? |
| 01:17.11 | Samot | OK then. |
| 01:26.00 | *** join/#asterisk hdon__ (~hdon@71-222-17-248.lsv2.qwest.net) |
| 01:26.31 | hdon__ | hi again. so, LOADABLE_MODULES CPP macro was undefined. this explains a bit. i enabled it with menuselect. now i can load chan_sip.so :) |
| 01:27.57 | hdon__ | now though i see udp 5060 coming in, but nothing in asterisk console at level 5. what's the highest verbosity level that makes any difference? it seems to let me set it up to 999999 if i want. |
| 01:28.31 | [TK]D-Fender | verbose != SIP |
| 01:28.48 | [TK]D-Fender | "sip set debug on" <------------ |
| 01:28.52 | hdon__ | thanks [TK]D-Fender |
| 01:30.29 | hdon__ | so i see SIP REGISTERs coming in with tcpdump, but i don't see any output in asterisk console after "sip set debug on" -- the asterisk process seems to be listening on port udp/5060 though |
| 01:31.28 | [TK]D-Fender | then it's not reaching * if that's what chan_sip is listening on |
| 01:31.50 | [TK]D-Fender | which smells like FIREWALLS |
| 01:31.54 | jchillerup | It worked, [TK]D-Fender. Ended up using AMI because there was a Python bniding for it. Thanks |
| 01:32.43 | hdon__ | i'll stop asterisk and see if netcat receives the packets |
| 01:33.54 | [TK]D-Fender | wonders why he isn't hearing "I'm going to dump my firewall rules NOW and prove it" |
| 01:34.41 | Samot | hdon__: netstat -nlu |
| 01:34.48 | Samot | Show that it is listening on the proper ports. |
| 01:34.58 | hdon__ | Samot: yeah i did that :) |
| 01:35.07 | Samot | You did? |
| 01:35.09 | Samot | you showed it? |
| 01:35.16 | Samot | I don't see a link for this. |
| 01:35.17 | hdon__ | it looks like netcat is not receiving these packets, so maybe it actually is my firewall |
| 01:35.28 | hdon__ | Samot: sorry i did it on my own. no need to share. i can troubleshoot my own firewall. |
| 01:35.52 | Samot | Well then you can troubleshoot this whole thing. |
| 01:38.34 | hdon__ | and now i am registered :) |
| 01:38.54 | hdon__ | Samot: yeah i can. i just thought coming here would be beneficial. might learn something i wouldn't have just stumbled onto that way. |
| 01:39.15 | hdon__ | or, idk, just make internet friends |
| 01:40.16 | hdon__ | shouldn't my asterisk be listening on some port for RTP? i only see it listening to SIP (5060) |
| 01:40.28 | Samot | RTP doesn't listen. |
| 01:40.37 | Samot | The ports are assigned when they are needed. |
| 01:40.41 | hdon__ | ahh ok |
| 01:40.44 | hdon__ | thanks Samot |
| 01:40.55 | hdon__ | is there a configuration setting for a range of ports to be assigned for RTP? |
| 01:40.59 | Samot | You don't know the RTP ports of the other side until they tell you |
| 01:41.06 | Samot | ~wiki |
| 01:41.31 | hdon__ | this one? https://wiki.asterisk.org/ |
| 01:41.31 | Samot | wiki.asterisk.org |
| 01:41.33 | hdon__ | thanks |
| 01:42.13 | Samot | Whatever you have setup now is beyond basic. |
| 01:42.26 | Samot | You're going to need to setup and configure the other .conf files. |
| 01:43.34 | hdon__ | that is my next step. just got "Hello world" :) |
| 01:49.50 | hdon__ | does anyone make games with asterisk? |
| 01:56.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Someone did a tic-tac-toe game |
| 01:56.43 | [TK]D-Fender | And I suppose you could could some of those telemarketer torture samples as games as well |
| 01:57.31 | [TK]D-Fender | <hdon__> is there a configuration setting for a range of ports to be assigned for RTP? <- yes, there is even a suggestive config file expressly for that... |
| 02:01.10 | *** join/#asterisk tuxd00d (~tuxd00d@ip72-222-145-83.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 02:03.43 | hdon__ | is there any anti-spam community in the voip world like there is in the email world? |
| 02:03.46 | *** join/#asterisk tuxd00d (~tuxd00d@ip72-222-145-83.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 02:04.29 | [TK]D-Fender | that has little to do with "voip". |
| 02:04.51 | [TK]D-Fender | that would be callerid's from places that are known telemarketers, etc |
| 02:04.59 | [TK]D-Fender | And that sort of thing is Googleable |
| 02:05.19 | hdon__ | well, i guess i mean SIP specifically |
| 02:05.50 | hdon__ | i imagine it's not practical to just open a SIP port up to the public Internet, but i do it with SMTP every day |
| 02:06.23 | hdon__ | spamassassin can check for known spammers using DNS, for example |
| 02:06.31 | *** join/#asterisk boris_t (~boris_t@128-75-100-8.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 02:06.59 | [TK]D-Fender | well noone tracks IP's for SIP that way |
| 02:07.12 | Samot | There are a few voip blacklists... |
| 02:07.13 | [TK]D-Fender | So you identify your own threats and block them |
| 02:07.13 | hdon__ | mmm.. ok thanks |
| 02:07.19 | [TK]D-Fender | or restrict to known hosts if you can |
| 02:07.21 | Samot | Very few. |
| 02:07.53 | Samot | There are a lot of lists that exist with known "bad" User Agents |
| 02:08.22 | Samot | But even with SMTP.. |
| 02:08.40 | Samot | If an area of the world that is known to be bad hombres don't need access.. |
| 02:08.43 | Samot | Don't give it. |
| 02:08.45 | Samot | At all. |
| 02:08.51 | hdon__ | hmm... |
| 02:08.59 | Samot | I doubt there is any reason for China to be in your sytems. |
| 02:09.02 | Samot | Or Russia. |
| 02:09.13 | Samot | Or any of that part of the world that is known for being naughty. |
| 02:09.56 | hdon__ | :( |
| 02:10.23 | Samot | Yes, in the case of SMTP spamassassian will catch things... |
| 02:10.28 | LiuYan | ... |
| 02:10.38 | Samot | But why waste resources catching things that you could have stopped at the front door. |
| 02:11.35 | hdon__ | well, i feel like my local telephone company works with other companies worldwide to make sure numbers are reachable and still deal with abuse complaints. no system is perfect but they do a pretty good job. but maybe my cellphone isn't reachable from china... hmm... |
| 02:11.59 | Samot | That has nothing to do with YOUR server. |
| 02:12.17 | hdon__ | i know one of the numbers i have through vitelity at work gets a lot of spam calls. the number used to belong to another local company and we get SEO and similar spam on that number a few times a day |
| 02:12.43 | Samot | Are you talking about no-call blacklists |
| 02:12.49 | [TK]D-Fender | at this point, yes |
| 02:12.57 | Samot | Or actual blacklists that stop people that get into your server |
| 02:13.04 | hdon__ | well when i was reading through the asterisk sample configs i was googling some acronyms i didn't know |
| 02:13.04 | [TK]D-Fender | because the calls are from the PSTN through his provider |
| 02:13.05 | Samot | Because one isn't really "security" |
| 02:13.10 | hdon__ | and when i came across enum i got really interested |
| 02:13.30 | [TK]D-Fender | enum = waste |
| 02:13.34 | hdon__ | how come? |
| 02:13.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Want random fuckers actuall calling your IP directly? |
| 02:14.08 | [TK]D-Fender | THAT is an invitation to attack |
| 02:14.16 | hdon__ | [TK]D-Fender: well, so is having a phone number, isn't it? |
| 02:14.18 | [TK]D-Fender | "Hey, here's a server!" |
| 02:14.22 | hdon__ | or do you mean to attack asterisk itself? |
| 02:14.43 | Samot | There is a different between people calling your number through the PSTN |
| 02:14.45 | hdon__ | i feel like plenty of services are exposed over the internet and when vulnerabilities are found, they are patched |
| 02:14.51 | [TK]D-Fender | You well nobody phoning me is going to have an IP to SSh against me or try to hack a SIP peer password to pass toll fraud through me |
| 02:14.54 | Samot | And doing SIP URI calling. |
| 02:14.57 | [TK]D-Fender | So no... NOT the same |
| 02:15.01 | hdon__ | Samot: hmm... what is the difference? |
| 02:15.07 | Samot | Everything. |
| 02:15.13 | hdon__ | please enlighten me :) |
| 02:15.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Fucker has my IP and know's I'm running a SIP server |
| 02:15.17 | [TK]D-Fender | those get hacked |
| 02:15.32 | [TK]D-Fender | some twit with my cell phone number isn't going to magically commit toll fraud against me and hack my servers |
| 02:16.08 | hdon__ | [TK]D-Fender: yeah that's a real possibility. but i feel like, there are lots of risky services open to the public internet. security is a never ending battle but that isn't a reason to give up all hope :( |
| 02:16.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Please use common sense when comparing the difference of someone having a PHONE NUMBER, cs knowing the IP to your server and that you are running one |
| 02:16.39 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm saying your comparison was completely invalid |
| 02:16.44 | Samot | ^^^ |
| 02:16.45 | hdon__ | you're right |
| 02:16.53 | [TK]D-Fender | and I did NOT say "don't run an open service" either |
| 02:17.07 | [TK]D-Fender | <[TK]D-Fender> So you identify your own threats and block them |
| 02:17.12 | [TK]D-Fender | [TK]D-Fender> or restrict to known hosts if you can |
| 02:17.16 | [TK]D-Fender | #dealwithit |
| 02:17.25 | hdon__ | that's what i do at work because our operational requirements allow me to use whitelists |
| 02:17.36 | [TK]D-Fender | So if you can... that sounds like a good start |
| 02:17.50 | hdon__ | but i'd like to imagine a world where i don't have to use the pstn all the time |
| 02:19.55 | hdon__ | so if we aren't talking about exploiting a vulnerability in asterisk or your configuration and committing toll fraud or other privilege escalation attacks |
| 02:20.17 | *** join/#asterisk genpaku (~genpaku@107.191.100.185) |
| 02:20.26 | hdon__ | is spam the only threat remaining? |
| 02:21.58 | [TK]D-Fender | <hdon__> but i'd like to imagine a world where i don't have to use the pstn all the time <- Does the rest of the planet all do VoIP with the ability to call random IP's? |
| 02:22.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Nope |
| 02:22.11 | [TK]D-Fender | so while that's a nifty thought, it is SO not happening. |
| 02:22.20 | Samot | Public Switched Telephone Network |
| 02:22.28 | Samot | "Switched" being the key word there. |
| 02:22.36 | Samot | As in "switching" between carriers. |
| 02:22.49 | [TK]D-Fender | hdon__> is spam the only threat remaining? <- spam is vague here |
| 02:23.03 | hdon__ | i don't believe that the reasons that the planet isn't as relaxed about SIP as it is about SMTP is for completely practical reasons |
| 02:23.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Spam is typically just an unwanted contact. That typically isn't a THREAT, just a NUISANCE |
| 02:23.37 | Samot | SPAM is pointless. |
| 02:23.40 | hdon__ | mmm.. ok so eliminating spam then, are there other threats? |
| 02:23.45 | Samot | That has nothing to do with securing SMTP |
| 02:23.46 | Samot | At all |
| 02:23.58 | Samot | Just like blocking callerids has nothing to do with securing SIP |
| 02:24.12 | [TK]D-Fender | <hdon__> mmm.. ok so eliminating spam then, are there other threats? <- anything trying to contact your server that you don't want could be considered a threat |
| 02:24.33 | Samot | This is now about securing a machine that is on the public Internet |
| 02:24.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Look they're trying to brute force my SSH port! |
| 02:24.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Look they found I'm running SMTP too! |
| 02:24.45 | hdon__ | [TK]D-Fender: but what form could that threat take? accepting that we have already tallied spam (a nuissance) and privilege escalation attacks (toll fraud, gaining other system access) what remains? |
| 02:24.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Look, what's this AMI port open? |
| 02:24.53 | [TK]D-Fender | HMMMM |
| 02:25.02 | hdon__ | lol |
| 02:25.05 | Samot | Oh |
| 02:25.08 | Samot | SQL is open |
| 02:25.18 | Samot | Let's try a SQL injection to get access... |
| 02:25.32 | Samot | Let's see if they are filtering their SQL requests right... |
| 02:25.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Thre are wonderful DOCS about securing your system. |
| 02:25.38 | [TK]D-Fender | you should go read them |
| 02:25.48 | [TK]D-Fender | and learn what *'s interfaces are and how to secure them |
| 02:26.03 | hdon__ | Samot: i think the utility of open SIP service is lower than open MySQL service, personally. there might be someone out there who thinks differently, though. |
| 02:26.15 | [TK]D-Fender | SIP, AMI, SSH are ht first 3. Any other service you know you're running are more |
| 02:26.21 | [TK]D-Fender | Any other * channel drivers you run. |
| 02:26.25 | [TK]D-Fender | all the usual suspects |
| 02:26.37 | hdon__ | i'm not trying to secure my system, i just want to know why the idea of open sip isn't exciting to everyone... i watched the phone companies in the US do terrible things and becoming independent of them would give me great satisfaction |
| 02:26.52 | Samot | You're not. |
| 02:26.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Who is everyone? |
| 02:27.01 | Samot | Unless you become one yourself. |
| 02:27.07 | [TK]D-Fender | how much of the general population even knows what SIP *is*? |
| 02:27.16 | [TK]D-Fender | Don't get all "dreamer" on us |
| 02:27.25 | [TK]D-Fender | General population knows nothing about SIP |
| 02:27.29 | Samot | The idea of open SIP is as appealing as open SMTP |
| 02:27.32 | Samot | Or SSH |
| 02:27.45 | Samot | Or anything else that would leave my system open for fuckery. |
| 02:27.49 | [TK]D-Fender | and the only thing that would allow "open sip" to be a thing is ENUM |
| 02:27.54 | [TK]D-Fender | which right now is just a vecro of attack |
| 02:27.59 | [TK]D-Fender | vector* |
| 02:28.38 | hdon__ | Samot: well, SMTP has a huge community dedicated to fighting the threat of spam, and they actively utilize other technologies like DNS to route email globally, but for telephony, as long as we want our phone numbers, we seem stuck with the ILECs |
| 02:29.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Yes, and Joe Blow isn't running his own MAIL SERVER. So again, a failed comparison |
| 02:29.22 | hdon__ | [TK]D-Fender: oh, i see. you mean that if you publish on ENUM you become a target? |
| 02:29.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Joe Blow isn't reunning his own SIP SERVER either |
| 02:29.34 | hdon__ | [TK]D-Fender: no but he has more choices for email than he does for phone |
| 02:29.38 | Samot | SPAM isn't an ATTACK |
| 02:29.40 | Samot | FFS. |
| 02:29.44 | [TK]D-Fender | it's a business and enthousiast thing |
| 02:29.59 | Samot | SPAM is junk mail. |
| 02:30.01 | Samot | That's it |
| 02:30.18 | Samot | <--- 23 years in hosting |
| 02:30.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Not "hey, this asshole has SSH access now! rm -rf" |
| 02:30.37 | [TK]D-Fender | missed a slash in there |
| 02:30.48 | Samot | Having a SPAM filter isn't the same as having a secure SMTP service running. |
| 02:30.58 | hdon__ | Samot: if it isn't dealt with it can be crippling to an organization, just like with snailmail. it's a DOS attack against human resources. |
| 02:31.06 | Samot | FFS. |
| 02:31.09 | [TK]D-Fender | These are shitty comparisons |
| 02:31.11 | Samot | It's the last wall |
| 02:31.18 | [TK]D-Fender | NOT THE SAME KIND OF BAD. |
| 02:31.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Stop comparing things that have no right to be compared |
| 02:31.30 | hdon__ | man, you guys are intense |
| 02:31.42 | Samot | 10:30:17 PM S<Samot> <--- 23 years in hosting |
| 02:31.43 | hdon__ | i feel like i should be wearing pads and a helmet |
| 02:31.48 | Samot | I kinda know how this works. |
| 02:31.59 | Samot | So going on about SPAM is pointless. |
| 02:32.07 | Samot | Because it's not SECURITY |
| 02:32.39 | Samot | The emails about the Prince in Nigeria are annoying... |
| 02:32.44 | Samot | But only bad if you fall for it |
| 02:33.04 | Samot | The _GUY_ in Nigeria actively trying to use you as a SMTP relay = BAD |
| 02:33.05 | [TK]D-Fender | You can't compare "I got a piece of junk mail" to "hacker cracked a SIP device # and password and passed $3000 of calls through my server and now I'm getting billed by my provider and they're threatening to sue if I don't pay" |
| 02:33.26 | [TK]D-Fender | See the difference? |
| 02:33.33 | [TK]D-Fender | Getting potentially massive bills? |
| 02:33.48 | Samot | Telemarketer calls are annoying |
| 02:34.04 | Samot | The guy in Nigeria trying to call the rest of the world through your PBX = BAD |
| 02:34.41 | [TK]D-Fender | a $3000 phone bill is a lot different than "Click here for your free vacation" appearing in my e-mail inbox |
| 02:34.54 | Samot | So the "Hey we're not getting annoying calls" validation doesn't cover "Why did we get a $3K phone bill?" |
| 02:35.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Let us know when the concept of what "fucked" looks like is starting to register :) |
| 02:35.33 | [TK]D-Fender | And then you begin to understand why Joe Blow doesn't run SIP servers either |
| 02:35.44 | hdon__ | sighs |
| 02:35.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Considering how many people can't handle a smart phone either |
| 02:35.58 | [TK]D-Fender | This isn't consumer stuff |
| 02:36.13 | [TK]D-Fender | Anyway.......... |
| 02:38.23 | hdon__ | man i'm feeling really down now |
| 02:39.44 | hdon__ | when i was a kid and the Intenret was new, there were all these companies to choose from |
| 02:40.03 | [TK]D-Fender | You can choose any Comcast / TWC you want! |
| 02:40.08 | [TK]D-Fender | #blakanizedinternet |
| 02:40.11 | drmessano | HA |
| 02:40.23 | drmessano | Choice in provider.. all those shitty providers |
| 02:40.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Ajit Pai <- Go yell at him |
| 02:40.39 | drmessano | With banks of modems and who-knows-what behind it |
| 02:40.50 | drmessano | The world was not a better place |
| 02:41.05 | hdon__ | in Pittsburgh, the newly rebranded Verizon was the local ILEC. Verizon DSL was charging $29.95/month for a 728kbps/128kbps ADSL line to customers. Verizon was charging Verizon DSL $15/month/customer for the privilege of access to the ILEC office. |
| 02:41.13 | drmessano | "I remember when I could still get scurvy" |
| 02:41.30 | hdon__ | my ISP was Telerama, and they offered the same ADSL package for $45/month. another company, Nauticom, offered the same package for $46/month. |
| 02:41.39 | Samot | Yes. |
| 02:41.43 | drmessano | and where are they now? |
| 02:41.43 | hdon__ | Verizon was charging Telerama and Nauticom $30 and $31 per month per customer, respectively |
| 02:41.44 | drmessano | Dead |
| 02:41.47 | Samot | I had to do the same. |
| 02:41.49 | Samot | Why? |
| 02:41.49 | drmessano | Dot-Com-Bubble |
| 02:41.55 | Samot | Because of ATT |
| 02:42.02 | hdon__ | drmessano: because we let the phone companies and cable companies remain in power when they should, by all rights, have been destroyed |
| 02:42.04 | Samot | ATT was leasing DSL lines to me. |
| 02:42.09 | drmessano | No |
| 02:42.16 | Samot | And selling those same lines also. |
| 02:42.17 | drmessano | Listen |
| 02:42.22 | Samot | But cheaper than me.. |
| 02:42.27 | drmessano | Forcing the phone companies to open up their lines |
| 02:42.28 | Samot | Because I still had to pay THEM. |
| 02:42.31 | drmessano | Dumbass move |
| 02:42.46 | drmessano | "I know you built it, but we're forcing you to lease it now" |
| 02:43.05 | drmessano | Just cause to tell the govt to go fsck themselves |
| 02:43.07 | hdon__ | Samot: yes. that seems to me to be a violation of the obligations of the common carriage |
| 02:43.23 | hdon__ | drmessano: we gave AT&T a government sanction monopoly |
| 02:43.24 | Samot | OK |
| 02:43.33 | hdon__ | drmessano: those lines were not just theirs, they were ours as well |
| 02:43.54 | drmessano | Here we go with the socialism |
| 02:43.54 | Samot | What? |
| 02:44.06 | drmessano | Not everything belongs to the people, comrade |
| 02:44.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Don't worry, not only do you have no shoice they can now sell your private data to #whomevertheyfeellike |
| 02:44.22 | hdon__ | [TK]D-Fender: yeah isn't that wonderful :( |
| 02:44.30 | drmessano | LOL |
| 02:44.35 | [TK]D-Fender | But wait, there's more! |
| 02:44.37 | drmessano | Except that's so incorrect |
| 02:44.39 | [TK]D-Fender | #billy |
| 02:44.41 | hdon__ | drmessano: there's some middle ground between a kleptocracy and socialism, friend |
| 02:44.51 | Samot | WTF? |
| 02:45.00 | Samot | Telephone service is a PUBLIC UTILITY |
| 02:45.08 | Samot | It needs some RULES |
| 02:45.17 | hdon__ | nods |
| 02:45.26 | [TK]D-Fender | https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/28/house-vote-sj-34-isp-regulations-fcc/ |
| 02:45.44 | Samot | Considering it crosses state and international boundaries. |
| 02:45.44 | [TK]D-Fender | https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/for-sale-your-private-browsing-history/ |
| 02:46.08 | [TK]D-Fender | it SHOULD have some rules |
| 02:46.24 | [TK]D-Fender | but that goes out the door when they legislate your rights away. |
| 02:47.06 | [TK]D-Fender | But you've still got guns right? Yeah! Fat lot of good they'll do when you have no rights left to fight for! :) |
| 02:47.10 | hdon__ | lol |
| 02:47.39 | Samot | hdon__: You realize there are two types of carriers right? |
| 02:47.47 | Samot | ILECs and CLECs |
| 02:47.47 | [TK]D-Fender | I believe George Carlin said it best "They aren't rights if they can be taken away. They're 'Priveledges'." |
| 02:47.49 | hdon__ | Samot: ILEC and CLEC? |
| 02:47.50 | hdon__ | yes |
| 02:47.57 | Samot | And you know what those are right? |
| 02:48.05 | Samot | ILECs were the result of the 80's breakup |
| 02:48.06 | hdon__ | when i was a kid we used to open up ma bell's phone cans and borrow people's phone lines to make prank calls |
| 02:48.13 | hdon__ | i was very interested in it then |
| 02:48.21 | Samot | CLECs was the results of the 90's |
| 02:48.24 | hdon__ | but i kinda had a loss of interest after my ISP closed its doors |
| 02:48.29 | hdon__ | nods |
| 02:49.49 | Samot | When I was with the CLEC, CenturyLink and ATT were the ILECs |
| 02:49.59 | Samot | We had to lease from them. |
| 02:50.04 | Samot | And we paid for it. |
| 02:50.27 | Samot | So even though they were competing with us, they're still making money off us. |
| 02:51.50 | Samot | And in turn, smaller providers leased lines from us. |
| 02:52.24 | hdon__ | :( |
| 02:52.49 | hdon__ | i assume the rates they gave you were not very competitive |
| 02:52.53 | hdon__ | when was this? |
| 02:53.08 | Samot | I left 3 years ago. |
| 02:53.14 | Samot | So recent. |
| 02:53.19 | hdon__ | mmm |
| 02:53.29 | Samot | When it came to the data portion, yes. |
| 02:53.38 | hdon__ | what services did your customers offer to their customers? |
| 02:53.42 | Samot | It was hard to be competitive.. |
| 02:53.46 | Samot | But the voice side of it.. |
| 02:53.52 | Samot | We were very competitive. |
| 02:54.06 | Samot | Whatever they needed. |
| 02:54.14 | Samot | Data, Voice, DC services... |
| 02:54.22 | hdon__ | what's DC service? |
| 02:54.25 | Samot | Data Center |
| 02:54.32 | hdon__ | oh, hm |
| 03:02.05 | drmessano | Honestly, if you're not deleting your browsing history every hour, you're just asking for it |
| 03:07.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Doesn't matter when it's cataloged live at your ISP and then sold to the highest bidder. They aren't taking it off your PC itself... |
| 03:07.28 | drmessano | As far as you know |
| 03:11.04 | [TK]D-Fender | They just do that to be thorough :p |
| 03:11.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Because you know ... redundency |
| 03:11.18 | [TK]D-Fender | #insulttoinjury |
| 03:11.52 | drmessano | http://www.npr.org/2017/04/16/524177364/selling-your-internet-browsing-history |
| 03:11.59 | drmessano | They're not selling it to third parties |
| 03:12.13 | drmessano | Using it for selling targeted ads, yes |
| 03:12.22 | drmessano | Ad insertion is what they are after |
| 03:12.43 | drmessano | "They might use this history but - to tailor ads - but they do not sell it to third parties." |
| 03:14.01 | drmessano | TechDirt had a good piece on it as well |
| 03:16.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Since when does your provider insert ads on you? |
| 03:16.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Someone else is getting that info |
| 03:17.19 | drmessano | They've always had that ability |
| 03:17.57 | [TK]D-Fender | There is a difference between you clicking through other sites that track vs snooping it at source |
| 03:18.10 | [TK]D-Fender | You're removing even the intermediary |
| 03:18.18 | [TK]D-Fender | (of being random sites) |
| 03:18.24 | [TK]D-Fender | and shoving that directly to your provider |
| 03:19.57 | [TK]D-Fender | And the language of that entire link was "do not" vs cannot |
| 03:20.17 | [TK]D-Fender | It is riddled with weasel-out language across the board |
| 03:20.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ow, they're not opt-ins, but they're opt-outs. And also they say that they do not and will not sell people's individual browsing history. They might use this history but - to tailor ads - but they do not sell it to third parties. |
| 03:20.47 | [TK]D-Fender | nothing about CANNOT |
| 03:22.00 | [TK]D-Fender | And there was a nice inversion of opt-in vs opt-out |
| 03:22.06 | [TK]D-Fender | That who thing was just twisted |
| 03:23.39 | drmessano | ISPs do not need to sell the data. They can just as easily insert themselves in the process because when the CDN's are built up on their networks. This opens the doors for them to serve the ads. |
| 03:23.51 | drmessano | Which is going to be very lucrative for them |
| 03:24.04 | drmessano | and doesn't require them to turn over that data to anyone |
| 03:25.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Yes but that is all vague crap about "don't have to" vs "can't" |
| 03:25.37 | drmessano | Why sell it to a third party if they WANT to use it themselves, which they already stated they DO |
| 03:25.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Because they can, and can profit in additional ways |
| 03:26.03 | drmessano | I guess it's easier to be paranoid than to look at the actual business case |
| 03:26.05 | drmessano | So whatever |
| 03:26.18 | [TK]D-Fender | There is business if they can sell it outside as well |
| 03:26.52 | [TK]D-Fender | If you let them then they will find a way to profit off it and sell to anywhere. |
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| 03:39.31 | Samot | Naw, it's media buys to them. |
| 03:39.53 | Samot | There's no need to actually sell the data if they decide to insert ads in content. |
| 03:40.28 | Samot | The conversion ratios will be in their favor. |
| 03:42.17 | drmessano | It's literally what they've begged for, for years |
| 03:42.22 | hdon_ | drmessano: i browse habitually in incognito mode |
| 03:42.32 | Samot | So? |
| 03:42.41 | Samot | Everything you do is a data point. |
| 03:42.49 | Samot | In the eyes of marketing. |
| 03:43.16 | drmessano | Just like the idiots that think Netflix isn't in bed with the ISPs |
| 03:43.22 | Samot | ^^^^ |
| 03:43.28 | drmessano | The ISP's run fucking CDN's for them |
| 03:43.28 | hdon_ | [TK]D-Fender: drmessano: the ISP doesn't insert the ads (usually; there are some exceptions) but they will link up with existing internet advertising technology to deliver ads targeted based partly on info taken by your ISP |
| 03:43.36 | drmessano | INSIDE THEIR NETWORKS |
| 03:43.43 | Samot | ^^^^^ |
| 03:43.44 | drmessano | The only one that doesn't is Hulu |
| 03:43.49 | drmessano | Because of licensing |
| 03:44.49 | hdon_ | drmessano: that may be so, but i can firewall off a CDN, or MITM myself to get CDN content from another source. i'm not in favor of CDNs either. or facebook tracking pixels. |
| 03:44.50 | drmessano | Last I checked Hulu couldn't... I know they can't actually preload content on users devices, still. Maybe they fixed the CDN problem |
| 03:45.05 | hdon_ | so i've got a question |
| 03:45.08 | drmessano | hdon_: You can't "Firewall off a CDN" |
| 03:45.15 | drmessano | I don't even know what that means |
| 03:45.17 | hdon_ | it seems that i can set up a server to serve AGI |
| 03:45.42 | drmessano | Everything you do online comes from a CDN |
| 03:45.52 | lorsungcu | no some of it comes from yuor mom |
| 03:45.59 | Samot | She's a CDN |
| 03:46.04 | lorsungcu | basically |
| 03:46.09 | drmessano | Could be |
| 03:46.17 | hdon_ | do i understand correctly that for AGI, Asterisk will connect some stream socket and begin sending and receiving data? |
| 03:46.41 | Samot | What are you trying to do? |
| 03:46.45 | hdon_ | or is it more like CGI where it launches a new process? |
| 03:46.54 | Samot | Besides look at shiny stuff to ask questions about? |
| 03:47.00 | hdon_ | Samot: that's basically it |
| 03:47.48 | Samot | AGI is just another way to run system commands within dialplan. |
| 03:48.43 | Samot | Like run a php script to query a database to playback a certain MoH for the caller based on various data points. |
| 03:49.00 | hdon_ | okay that sounds fun, but not with PHP, please :p |
| 03:49.06 | Samot | Whatever. |
| 03:49.38 | Samot | I'm sure you're as informed on PHP as on SMTP and this. |
| 03:49.50 | drmessano | Yeah fuck PHP |
| 03:49.54 | drmessano | So insecure |
| 03:49.59 | Samot | Yeah. |
| 03:50.02 | Samot | It's awful. |
| 03:50.16 | Samot | I remember when things were done in BASIC |
| 03:50.17 | drmessano | I actually browse with PHP turned off |
| 03:50.26 | drmessano | Not getting my guns |
| 03:50.36 | hdon_ | lol |
| 03:51.14 | hdon_ | oh i see. FastAGI supports a socket. |
| 03:51.32 | drmessano | FastAGI(TrumpsTaxReturns.php) is where it's at |
| 03:51.50 | Samot | All of that only matters if you're actually doing something that requires it. |
| 03:52.01 | drmessano | I use sockets for everything |
| 03:52.03 | Samot | You really should start by just getting the conf files setup right. |
| 03:52.14 | Samot | That's what you're wife tweets. |
| 03:52.16 | drmessano | 3/4" drive mostly |
| 03:52.23 | drmessano | your* |
| 03:52.24 | drmessano | ^ |
| 03:52.30 | Samot | Whatever. |
| 03:52.49 | drmessano | I know they don't teach "Dictionary" in Saskatoon |
| 03:53.28 | Samot | No. |
| 03:53.35 | Samot | Pictionary is the main course. |
| 03:53.54 | drmessano | Honestly, not at all surprised |
| 03:54.00 | hdon_ | Samot: oh, yeah. i remember you guys saying there was stuff wrong with my configuration. but i don't remember what. it seems to be working for basic calling and basic dialplans work. |
| 03:54.05 | hdon_ | indications.conf? |
| 03:54.15 | Samot | Yeah. |
| 03:54.23 | Samot | That silly thing that handles tones. |
| 03:54.32 | hdon_ | i'll read the sample |
| 03:54.43 | drmessano | Probably best to delete that file |
| 03:54.53 | drmessano | Along with System32 |
| 03:54.54 | Samot | Doesn't even have it |
| 03:54.59 | Samot | So he's good. |
| 03:55.25 | hdon_ | is... this to localize rings and tones played on the line? |
| 03:55.42 | Samot | Dude, not going to give you a class on this. |
| 03:55.49 | Samot | There is numerous documentation about this. |
| 03:55.53 | hdon_ | :3 |
| 03:56.11 | Samot | You've been in this channel long enough.. |
| 03:56.20 | Samot | Some of these questions should have even needed to be asked. |
| 03:56.33 | hdon_ | :o |
| 03:57.24 | Samot | One of the benefits of channels like this is that when you're in them long enough... |
| 03:57.34 | Samot | You actually can start to learn shit you didn't know before. |
| 03:57.53 | Samot | By actually absorbing the knowledge being laid down. |
| 03:58.26 | drmessano | Samot: Really, can you just shut up and teach me about AGI's please. Also, please be Perl specific.. PHP is insecure and archaic. |
| 03:58.44 | Samot | Fuck PERL |
| 03:59.10 | drmessano | Can I use a Perl AGI to hide my calling history? |
| 03:59.31 | lorsungcu | whats wrong with perl |
| 03:59.49 | drmessano | lorsungcu: Nothing.. it's 100x better than PHP |
| 03:59.58 | drmessano | lorsungcu: Can you teach me |
| 04:00.01 | drmessano | ? |
| 04:00.02 | lorsungcu | yes |
| 04:00.12 | lorsungcu | *^(5t76bJHBJHGBGvygvb7$+d. |
| 04:00.14 | drmessano | Ok, start now please |
| 04:00.14 | [TK]D-Fender | #couldteachyoubutI'dhavetocharge |
| 04:03.21 | drmessano | Reminds me of that time a friend asked me "Can you show me how to quote Python" |
| 04:03.38 | drmessano | and I was all like "What do you mean EWWW? I don't like SPAM!" |
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| 06:13.31 | RomanDcoz | Hi All, Is there any way we can deduct duration in database realtime like call running and every minute minute deduction ? Is it possible via Module. If not , can any one have idea how to achieve it ? |
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| 08:13.35 | alpha_ | Hello all...what does it mean by "woken up" calls in sipp testing? |
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| 10:50.52 | Dirk23 | Hey guys. I Try to connect a SIP Client to asterisk throug 3 Routers and we wonder wich Ports need to be configured in the firewall. untill now we only have enabled these rules in the firwall: |
| 10:50.52 | Dirk23 | Asterisk UDP ANY -> SIP Client UDP 5060 |
| 10:50.54 | Dirk23 | SIP Client UDP ANY -> Asterisk UDP 5060 |
| 10:51.08 | Dirk23 | do we need any other Ports or protocols? |
| 10:54.37 | TandyUK | udp ports [whatever you use for RTP] if you want audio |
| 10:55.08 | Dirk23 | by now i cant see the Client trying to connect to asterisk (in CLI) |
| 10:55.15 | TandyUK | i doubt asterisk will try connecting to the client on port 5060 |
| 10:55.35 | TandyUK | client > Asterisk on 5060, server will respond to whatever port was used to initiate it (posibly natted) |
| 10:55.39 | Dirk23 | are those udp ports for RTP somewhere in the config? |
| 10:55.50 | TandyUK | indeed |
| 10:55.53 | Kunsi | in rtp.conf |
| 10:55.57 | TandyUK | 10000-20000 for us |
| 10:55.59 | Dirk23 | freepbx? |
| 10:56.03 | TandyUK | not sure if thats default |
| 10:56.33 | Dirk23 | found it, thank you. RTP 10000-20000 |
| 10:56.46 | Dirk23 | so any other ports? |
| 10:57.00 | Dirk23 | is there no TCP connection? |
| 10:58.46 | TandyUK | not by default |
| 10:59.04 | TandyUK | not unless youre using tcp/tls afaik |
| 10:59.18 | Dirk23 | ok, no tls here |
| 10:59.31 | Dirk23 | so only UDP 5060 and 10000-20000 |
| 11:00.10 | Dirk23 | i wonder why the client is not registering with asterisk then. |
| 11:04.18 | TandyUK | tcpdump and analyse it/ |
| 11:04.33 | TandyUK | or sngrep, voip-monitor, homer, etc etc |
| 11:13.40 | Dirk23 | sure |
| 11:13.42 | Dirk23 | thnx |
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| 11:19.03 | alpha_ | TandyUK: what does it mean by "woken up" calls in sipp testing? |
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| 13:43.42 | Samot | So based on what happened over the weekend, I'm just going to put this little quote out there for those that think "upgrading" is a waste "Infected computers appear to largely be out-of-date devices that organizations deemed not worth the price of upgrading". |
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| 13:54.57 | TandyUK | doesnt surprise me one bit |
| 14:00.17 | Samot | Well.. |
| 14:00.37 | Samot | Microsoft did release a patch after that NSA leak. |
| 14:00.45 | Samot | So like almost two months ago. |
| 14:00.57 | Samot | And they had to release another patch for it on Friday when it started to happen. |
| 14:01.14 | Samot | Because it was to fix the people who didn't patch before. |
| 14:02.04 | Samot | So far as I can tell most have responded to that NSA debacle from a little while back... |
| 14:02.14 | Samot | Releasing updates and patches to things... |
| 14:02.23 | Samot | All the consumers really did was bitch. |
| 14:06.28 | TandyUK | tbh I have no sympathy for anyone still on XP |
| 14:06.53 | TandyUK | the fact this bug affected 7/8 as well is another matter |
| 14:08.41 | Samot | That was part of Microsoft's bitch.. |
| 14:08.53 | Samot | And a well deserved one... |
| 14:09.07 | Samot | *They* didn't know about it. |
| 14:09.55 | Samot | This was one of the "Oh the Gov found it, put in in their back pocket and ssshhhh" |
| 14:10.02 | TandyUK | indeed |
| 14:10.29 | Samot | Now a bug, that could have been fixed years ago, is released. |
| 14:10.55 | Samot | Does it impact Win 10? Probably not originally because there was no Win 10 when it was originally found. |
| 14:11.20 | Samot | However, I did get an update pushed over the weekend. |
| 14:11.32 | Samot | So that means two months ago it didn't hurt Win 10. |
| 14:11.45 | Samot | But now, they've found how it does hurt Win 10. |
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| 14:40.59 | StucKman | what happens if I told A* to reload the dialplan and there's an error on it? a syntax error, for instance... |
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| 14:42.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Depends on the syntax error |
| 14:42.15 | [TK]D-Fender | it will reload ever line it can |
| 14:42.40 | StucKman | so it will laod a partial dial plan? |
| 14:42.48 | [TK]D-Fender | if the formatting is wrong for priority, etc, then the line will be skipped. If it's anywhere from the app onward that will only produce a run-time failure |
| 14:43.45 | StucKman | and is thre a way to make A* parse the dialplan and report any errors without loading it? |
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| 14:45.43 | StucKman | more or less what Apache does, ofr instance... |
| 14:46.29 | [TK]D-Fender | no |
| 14:46.29 | mTeK | What would make a inbound call that I pickup still ring another extension |
| 14:46.42 | [TK]D-Fender | mTeK, Show us the call |
| 14:46.56 | [TK]D-Fender | mTeK, and provide a proper description. |
| 14:47.05 | mTeK | I am new to this phone stuff so sorry |
| 14:47.18 | mTeK | I don't really know how.' |
| 14:47.33 | [TK]D-Fender | mTeK, including what kind of dialplan flow you set up that would dial from one to the next in the first place |
| 14:47.44 | [TK]D-Fender | This is your diapla... you set it up... |
| 14:48.53 | [TK]D-Fender | * CLI. |
| 14:48.59 | [TK]D-Fender | show us the complete call attempt at verbose 10 |
| 14:49.01 | [TK]D-Fender | ?pb |
| 14:49.05 | mTeK | I didn't change any dial plans, just what ever freepbx made for default. |
| 14:49.08 | [TK]D-Fender | www.pastebin.com <- |
| 14:49.19 | [TK]D-Fender | You need to be asking in #freepbx then |
| 14:49.23 | [TK]D-Fender | it is not supported here |
| 15:01.20 | mTeK | Figured you say that... |
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| 17:05.36 | alpha_ | file: how many calls can an asterisk system on 512, 1 core server handle in general? gtjoseph kharwell putnopvut Qwell rmudgett seanbright skrusty wdoekes |
| 17:06.08 | alpha_ | i tried using sipp for load testing but couln't analyze report |
| 17:06.16 | Samot | What are you trying to do? |
| 17:06.21 | alpha_ | What is the meaning of woken up calls in there? |
| 17:06.29 | Samot | Just figure out what that server itself can do? |
| 17:06.38 | Samot | Or what you need to actually get? |
| 17:06.41 | alpha_ | Samot: like? |
| 17:06.58 | alpha_ | I need to know how many simultaneous calls my server can handle |
| 17:07.03 | Samot | Are you stuck use 512MB RAM and 1 CPU? |
| 17:07.16 | alpha_ | Samot: yes for now |
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| 17:07.21 | Samot | If that's the case, what else is it doing? |
| 17:07.30 | Samot | Just registering endpoints and handling calls? |
| 17:07.58 | alpha_ | Samot: yes |
| 17:08.12 | gtjoseph | media, even if not transcoding, will probably be the bottleneck. |
| 17:08.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Depends on a lot more than that |
| 17:08.19 | Samot | So calls comes in, goes straight to the end point? |
| 17:08.20 | gtjoseph | can you do direct media? |
| 17:08.47 | Samot | No IVRs or recordings being played back? |
| 17:08.54 | [TK]D-Fender | alpha_, https://www.google.ca/#q=asterisk+dimenioning |
| 17:10.28 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: can't sipp testing do that? |
| 17:10.45 | Samot | How many endpoints do you have? |
| 17:11.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Do what? You haven't provided server speed, arch type info, call processing expectations or anything els |
| 17:11.19 | [TK]D-Fender | eThat's like saying "I have a car, how fast can it go?" and not offering anything |
| 17:11.22 | Samot | 512MB RAM, 1 CPU. |
| 17:11.27 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: I just want to know how many concurrent calls my system can handle... |
| 17:11.33 | Samot | But no details on CPU speed. |
| 17:11.36 | Samot | Just a single core. |
| 17:11.47 | Samot | alpha_: Not many |
| 17:11.54 | alpha_ | Samot: [TK]D-Fender lets not go with cpu speed...how to find is my question. |
| 17:11.54 | Samot | How many endpoints will you have? |
| 17:11.58 | [TK]D-Fender | How many do you NEED it to handle? |
| 17:12.02 | Samot | ^^^^^^ |
| 17:12.12 | [TK]D-Fender | <alpha_> Samot: [TK]D-Fender lets not go with cpu speed...how to find is my question. <- it MATTERS |
| 17:12.31 | [TK]D-Fender | This kind of low-detail questioning is a waste of time |
| 17:12.38 | alpha_ | endpoints ~ one to one.. |
| 17:12.43 | Samot | HOW MANY |
| 17:12.50 | Samot | HOW MANY DEVICES |
| 17:12.51 | drmessano | alpha_: Are you going to put this box on the public internet? |
| 17:13.11 | Samot | Like 2? That's fine. |
| 17:13.16 | Samot | 50? No. |
| 17:13.24 | drmessano | If so, bang, you're dead |
| 17:13.36 | Samot | That server is not going to do much. |
| 17:13.47 | drmessano | You can't get SIPp to do anything meaningful because you're KILLING IT |
| 17:13.49 | Samot | Low memory, 1 core SPU |
| 17:13.51 | alpha_ | how to find how much.. |
| 17:13.59 | drmessano | Like killing the SIP stacks |
| 17:14.01 | drmessano | Like killing the SIP stack |
| 17:14.05 | alpha_ | if i can test if it can handle jsut 2 calls...its fine |
| 17:14.07 | drmessano | Because not enough horsepower |
| 17:14.11 | alpha_ | but how to test? |
| 17:14.13 | Samot | If you don't know how many users/endpoints you will have this is pointless. |
| 17:14.25 | [TK]D-Fender | <alpha_> but how to test? <- place calls |
| 17:14.30 | drmessano | If its grey, throw it away |
| 17:14.41 | alpha_ | i tried placing calls from sipp [TK]D-Fender |
| 17:14.48 | Samot | How many? |
| 17:14.50 | drmessano | SIPp is going to KILL IT |
| 17:14.55 | [TK]D-Fender | You haven't stated speed |
| 17:15.02 | [TK]D-Fender | how many calls do you NEED to supoprt? |
| 17:15.09 | drmessano | Unless you have it turned way the fuck down to nothing |
| 17:15.30 | Samot | $5 says this is an attempt to sell VoIP on a shitty machine. |
| 17:15.31 | alpha_ | http://i.imgur.com/8ByyR4z.png |
| 17:15.36 | Samot | No idea of how many endpoints |
| 17:15.45 | Samot | No idea of how many calls need to be supported |
| 17:16.05 | drmessano | alpha_: You need to answer TWO questions, FAST |
| 17:16.11 | drmessano | How many phones? |
| 17:16.16 | drmessano | How many concurrent calls? |
| 17:16.23 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: actually, the calls i need to support is not fixed...but how many calls a 512, 1 core system can handle for now is my thing |
| 17:16.29 | drmessano | STOP |
| 17:16.43 | drmessano | Thats an UNANSWERABLE question |
| 17:16.47 | alpha_ | drmessano: exactly, how many concurrent calls my system can handle? how to test? |
| 17:16.49 | [TK]D-Fender | <alpha_> [TK]D-Fender: actually, the calls i need to support is not fixed...but how many calls a 512, 1 core system can handle for now is my thing<alpha_> [TK]D-Fender: actually, the calls i need to support is not fixed...but how many calls a 512, 1 core system can handle for now is my thing <- SPEED matters. what you DO diuring that call matters. |
| 17:16.50 | drmessano | How many calls do you NEED to support? |
| 17:16.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Your information is USELESS. |
| 17:17.04 | [TK]D-Fender | those 12 numbers mean NOTHING |
| 17:17.05 | drmessano | I see what this is |
| 17:17.11 | drmessano | He wants to sell these boxes |
| 17:17.19 | drmessano | and wants to know how many calls he can advertise |
| 17:17.19 | Samot | 1:15:29 PM S<Samot> $5 says this is an attempt to sell VoIP on a shitty machine. |
| 17:17.21 | alpha_ | http://i.imgur.com/JGxfMFF.png |
| 17:17.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Stop asking when we're missing all of the IMPORTANT information. |
| 17:17.25 | drmessano | Yep |
| 17:17.31 | drmessano | He's trying to figure out what to sell |
| 17:17.32 | drmessano | Fuck this |
| 17:18.01 | drmessano | Go buy real boxes |
| 17:18.06 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: lets go from beginning...which tool or what way would you use to check how many concurrent calls an asterisk system can handle? |
| 17:18.07 | drmessano | and come up with real numbers |
| 17:18.08 | drmessano | and sell them |
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| 17:18.24 | Samot | alpha_: 10 is probably the best. |
| 17:18.26 | Samot | That's it |
| 17:18.30 | Samot | If you're lucky |
| 17:18.31 | Samot | IF |
| 17:18.42 | Samot | As long as it's doing NOTHING else. |
| 17:18.47 | alpha_ | Samot: how to show to my CIO, it can handle 10? |
| 17:18.53 | alpha_ | Samot: that's my only que |
| 17:18.58 | Samot | You can't. |
| 17:18.58 | drmessano | I would sell it as 20 |
| 17:19.11 | Samot | You need to know what is actually happening on the box. |
| 17:19.20 | alpha_ | Samot: like? |
| 17:19.24 | Samot | IVRs |
| 17:19.31 | Samot | Recording playbacks |
| 17:19.35 | drmessano | Disk I/O |
| 17:19.35 | Samot | Voicemail |
| 17:19.38 | Samot | That |
| 17:19.49 | drmessano | Are these RPis? |
| 17:19.50 | Samot | All the shit that is going to require RESOURCES |
| 17:20.11 | [TK]D-Fender | 6 or 12. Because that's the standard for selling bagels. |
| 17:20.24 | alpha_ | Samot: so, my question is lame? anyway, any way i could reach some range also? in figure by someway? |
| 17:20.24 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: 11 if it's a jewish deli |
| 17:20.28 | [TK]D-Fender | PBX's are counted in bagels. |
| 17:20.46 | Samot | alpha_: I can't support his. |
| 17:20.46 | alpha_ | Nobody is believing me it can handle 10 by just words. Samot |
| 17:20.49 | Samot | alpha_: I can't support this. |
| 17:21.00 | Samot | It's clear you don't understand VoIP |
| 17:21.11 | drmessano | 13:20:47 <alpha_> Nobody is believing me it can handle 10 by just words. Samot <-- WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR |
| 17:21.17 | drmessano | "HOW MANY CAN I SUPPORT?" |
| 17:21.21 | Samot | I can in no way encourage anything that results in your selling this as a service. |
| 17:21.22 | [TK]D-Fender | You keep leaving out processor speed, and call processing. These make 5000% of the difference as to what your server can handle |
| 17:21.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Your question is GARBAGE without this information |
| 17:21.44 | drmessano | and without testing |
| 17:21.47 | [TK]D-Fender | CALL PROCESSING MATTERS. |
| 17:21.53 | [TK]D-Fender | ARCH MATTERS |
| 17:22.05 | [TK]D-Fender | EVERYTHING matters |
| 17:22.09 | Samot | Naw.. |
| 17:22.11 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: so, any tool to test this? or it needs multi diminsion consideration? |
| 17:22.16 | drmessano | Show us which Alibaba box you're going to be selling |
| 17:22.20 | [TK]D-Fender | PLACE FUCKING CALLS <- |
| 17:22.21 | drmessano | Then we can look |
| 17:22.34 | [TK]D-Fender | There are pages showing OTHER PEOPLES RESULTS |
| 17:22.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Compare to THEM and stop wasting our time |
| 17:22.58 | drmessano | Sorry, AliExpress |
| 17:23.00 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: till now, i have been using linphone which can call only once at a time....any other option to place multiple calls? |
| 17:23.06 | [TK]D-Fender | You refuse to give us proper information? then we don't have an ANSWER |
| 17:23.10 | Samot | Also, Small Business Support can be found in #freepbx |
| 17:23.40 | drmessano | ^ Important info |
| 17:23.45 | drmessano | Because you'll want a CRM next |
| 17:23.54 | [TK]D-Fender | alpha_, SIPP offers a lot of testing options. Go ask THEM hw to use it. We don't support it here |
| 17:24.26 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, I'm sensing a cultural rice dish deployment any moment now... |
| 17:24.34 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: I am not specific to sipp....any way to place many calls at once on asterisk is fine |
| 17:24.53 | [TK]D-Fender | alpha_, Use one * box to call the other |
| 17:24.58 | [TK]D-Fender | check your server load |
| 17:25.08 | [TK]D-Fender | check call stats while they run |
| 17:25.19 | [TK]D-Fender | ORIGINATE local channel calls between them |
| 17:26.12 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: one * box to call the other okay,,,will check that |
| 17:26.39 | Samot | And then.. |
| 17:26.49 | Samot | Once you figure out how many calls it can do while doing nothing else... |
| 17:26.54 | alpha_ | anyway, if it doesn't sound stupid...for now can i say 512,1 core system can handle not more than 10 calls....just in general |
| 17:26.55 | Samot | Setup devices |
| 17:27.00 | Samot | That do stufff |
| 17:27.05 | wabbits | alpha_ use a freeswitch box to generate the calls |
| 17:27.08 | Samot | And then see what happens. |
| 17:27.19 | wabbits | :) |
| 17:27.23 | alpha_ | wabbits: will see that . thanks |
| 17:27.24 | Samot | Because it takes resources to do this crap |
| 17:27.29 | [TK]D-Fender | <alpha_> anyway, if it doesn't sound stupid...for now can i say 512,1 core system can handle not more than 10 calls....just in general <- DEPENDS ON OTHER THINGS |
| 17:27.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Your question is POINTLESS without the missing information |
| 17:27.42 | igcewieling | You will find there are so many variables the only way to see how many calls a server supporrts is to TRY it. |
| 17:27.44 | [TK]D-Fender | STOP ASKING |
| 17:27.47 | drmessano | Youre missing the whole point of any of this and reaching for a metric |
| 17:27.54 | drmessano | Providing no info |
| 17:28.02 | drmessano | Tell him 10 |
| 17:28.06 | alpha_ | what info should i provide? |
| 17:28.07 | drmessano | You may or may not go out of business |
| 17:28.08 | igcewieling | I have a 16 core system which handles 100 calls at the same time. |
| 17:28.11 | drmessano | We told you |
| 17:28.14 | Samot | Everything we've been asking for |
| 17:28.17 | drmessano | Scroll up and come back |
| 17:28.19 | Samot | How many phones? |
| 17:28.26 | Samot | ^^^^ |
| 17:28.30 | Samot | Answer that |
| 17:28.38 | Samot | How many phones will connect to the system? |
| 17:28.41 | alpha_ | 1 phone. |
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| 17:28.47 | Samot | Are you fucking kidding me? |
| 17:28.52 | drmessano | 1 phone? |
| 17:28.57 | drmessano | How does THAT work? |
| 17:29.14 | Samot | Get out. |
| 17:29.16 | Samot | Now. |
| 17:29.24 | drmessano | Oh I get it |
| 17:29.29 | alpha_ | Samot: its simple system for demo...not a huge one |
| 17:29.32 | drmessano | Single agent |
| 17:29.46 | drmessano | Call Queue |
| 17:29.51 | Samot | Yup. |
| 17:29.54 | drmessano | Yep |
| 17:29.57 | drmessano | 10 calls in queue |
| 17:30.00 | drmessano | 1 agent answering |
| 17:30.03 | Samot | If you're lucky |
| 17:30.03 | drmessano | Scammer |
| 17:30.13 | drmessano | Well |
| 17:30.21 | drmessano | "How many calls can we queue per agent" |
| 17:30.28 | igcewieling | y'all could simply ignore stupid questions and idiot users. |
| 17:30.31 | drmessano | So they ship a shitty box to the agent |
| 17:30.42 | Samot | Yeah. |
| 17:30.45 | drmessano | Which is a local queue |
| 17:30.51 | drmessano | and just route calls there |
| 17:30.55 | drmessano | Scammer shit |
| 17:31.13 | Samot | alpha_: You are pretty much on your own with this. |
| 17:31.28 | Samot | I won't encourage or support it. |
| 17:31.31 | alpha_ | drmessano: Samot maybe i thought sipp can do all and it turned out no... |
| 17:31.31 | drmessano | Is this based in the Philippines? |
| 17:31.42 | drmessano | This call scamming |
| 17:31.44 | alpha_ | drmessano: :D does that matter? |
| 17:31.50 | drmessano | Most of them are |
| 17:31.50 | Samot | Yes. |
| 17:31.58 | Samot | It does. |
| 17:32.04 | drmessano | Is it? |
| 17:32.23 | [TK]D-Fender | alpha_, https://www.google.ca/#q=using+sipp+to+stress+test+asterisk |
| 17:32.29 | [TK]D-Fender | alpha_, Did you even LOOK? |
| 17:32.36 | [TK]D-Fender | YES it can stress test an * system |
| 17:32.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Yuo offer no details so your questions are POINTLESS. |
| 17:33.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Go learn how to use SIPP, or provide better information |
| 17:33.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Otherwise nobody will have a proper answer. |
| 17:33.29 | drmessano | https://www.google.com/#q=lemonparty |
| 17:33.32 | drmessano | ^ Better idea |
| 17:33.59 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: I did the sipp test...and result in above imgur...so, that result is not what i was searching for? |
| 17:34.08 | drmessano | I wonder if this is auto warranty calls |
| 17:34.16 | [TK]D-Fender | alpha_, What does that result TELL you? |
| 17:34.16 | drmessano | or outright IRS scams |
| 17:34.17 | alpha_ | http://i.imgur.com/JGxfMFF.png |
| 17:34.38 | drmessano | Since he refused to answer me about the philippines ' |
| 17:34.41 | alpha_ | and http://i.imgur.com/8ByyR4z.png |
| 17:35.03 | drmessano | That will work fine for your scamming |
| 17:35.11 | drmessano | Hope they dont chop your fingers off |
| 17:35.25 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: that was my question at the first sentence since i started...how to interpret this sipp result |
| 17:35.25 | zaf | if he's in fact scamming, i hope they do |
| 17:35.37 | drmessano | zaf: 90% |
| 17:35.44 | [TK]D-Fender | alpha_, This is not #sipp . We don't support it |
| 17:35.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Go ask THEM |
| 17:35.51 | drmessano | 1 agent |
| 17:35.59 | drmessano | "How many calls in the 1 queue" |
| 17:36.06 | [TK]D-Fender | You are providing us no information, and asking us about somebody ELSE'S product |
| 17:36.07 | drmessano | What else could it be? |
| 17:36.14 | drmessano | 100% they are taking calls for a scamming job |
| 17:36.17 | Samot | What does 1 agent need 4.9 CPS? |
| 17:36.20 | Samot | That's insane. |
| 17:36.44 | drmessano | There's been a whole slew of guys to come through here doing the same thing |
| 17:36.48 | zaf | my aunt passed away yesterday, found out she had brain atrophy and her mind had been going for a while. found in her bank records, so far, $3400 in money she paid to scammers who took advantage of her illness |
| 17:36.53 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: /sipp -sn uac -d 2000 -s 6001 <IP> -l |
| 17:36.53 | alpha_ | 10 -mp 5606 |
| 17:37.09 | alpha_ | 2sec duration, 10 concurrent call places... |
| 17:37.12 | igcewieling | this is too sad. |
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| 17:37.30 | drmessano | Tell your boss 10 calls in the queu |
| 17:37.31 | drmessano | Tell your boss 10 calls in the queue |
| 17:37.42 | drmessano | Have fun scamming people |
| 17:37.51 | alpha_ | drmessano: :) |
| 17:37.52 | [TK]D-Fender | alpha_, THIS IS NOT #SIPP . WE DO NOT SUPPORT IT HERE. GO ASK SOMEWHERE ELSE |
| 17:38.05 | drmessano | Maybe just get the fuck out |
| 17:38.14 | alpha_ | [TK]D-Fender: its 10 calls in queue then. |
| 17:38.19 | drmessano | Yep |
| 17:38.21 | drmessano | 10 calls |
| 17:38.24 | drmessano | Good luck |
| 17:38.26 | drmessano | bai |
| 17:38.55 | drmessano | May your parties always have ample lemons |
| 17:39.05 | alpha_ | not trying to scam...just situation hit up to do this * load testing :) |
| 17:39.19 | drmessano | Is this based in the Philippines? |
| 17:39.33 | alpha_ | drmessano: nope |
| 17:39.34 | zaf | his reverse dns is nepal... |
| 17:39.43 | drmessano | HA |
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| 17:40.20 | drmessano | So different motivation |
| 17:40.54 | drmessano | 1 phone, multiple callers + queue is definitely some contact center solution for remote agents |
| 17:41.03 | drmessano | Small cheap boxes |
| 17:41.21 | drmessano | Not the first one to do it |
| 17:42.15 | alpha_ | drmessano: so, what should i be doing? you got my point i think |
| 17:42.48 | Samot | Leaving. |
| 17:42.52 | Samot | We're not helping. |
| 17:43.36 | alpha_ | Samot: thanks for what you helped. |
| 17:49.26 | drmessano | I did get your point. You should be seeking a career change |
| 17:49.33 | drmessano | and getting chain mail for your hands |
| 17:52.18 | alpha_ | drmessano: :) yep, happens when a guy working on it is dead and you have to handle it in less time. |
| 17:53.18 | alpha_ | with no idea before |
| 17:54.02 | alpha_ | drmessano: anyway, thanks for your time...will go through pbx and placing calls from *....as suggested from above... |
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| 18:14.04 | jfindley | Hello! If I have asterisk listening for sip traffic on all interfaces, will traffic received on an interface without an assigned IP address ever make it into the dialplan? |
| 18:16.05 | sekil | jfindley: good one |
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| 18:20.54 | jfindley | Yeah, I thought so. Situation is NICs 1 and 2 are used for SIP/RTP and NIC 3 has a bunch of SIP/RTP traffic mirrored to it, including the traffic from NICs 1 and 2 |
| 18:21.03 | jfindley | if NIC 3 doesn't have an IP address, will asterisk listen to it anyway? |
| 18:22.04 | drmessano | If theres no socket, its not listening |
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| 19:10.52 | nickaugust | can I make the custom CEL spit of the extension where a call is actually parked on PARK_START? I can't seem to find it in the docs and PARKEDAT doesnt seem to work there |
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| 19:44.28 | rkninja | Hi everybody, I am on FC25 installation with uname Linux 4.10.14-200.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 3 22:52:30 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux, I have installed asterisk 13.9 with dnf and now facing issue while running asterisk : Below is the error |
| 19:44.40 | rkninja | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-tls.c: 74: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= GL(dl_tls_max_dtv_idx) + 1' failed! |
| 19:45.10 | rkninja | I will appreciate any workaround as have been struggling for two days. |
| 19:46.35 | rkninja | I have also tried downloading source asterisk-14.4.0 and tried to compile , its throwing error while make : /usr/lib64/liblber-2.4.so.2: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line |
| 19:46.49 | rkninja | So I cant run asterisk in both the cases, please help |
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